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AKM Index of Musicians Found- Red-Lined Out Jewish Composers #austria-czech

Jan Meisels Allen
 

Sharla Levine inquired about the article that was included in the August 27
Austria-Czech SIG Discussion List about the AKM Index of Musicians Found-
Red-Lined Out Jewish Composers.

Included in my posting was the paragraph about the OREL Foundation which
includes a link to the images located at the url listed below:

"Shapreau also wrote an article posted to the website of the OREL
Foundation* in Los Angeles that includes the images of the AKM index." The
images may be viewed at: http://tinyurl.com/lcnrpxu

Original url:
http://orel.pmhclients.com/images/articles/AKMSTAGMA_Blacklist_City_of_Vienn
a_Library_Shapreau.pdf


Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee
ViewMate file # 35372 #austria-czech

Nehama and Moshe Kutten
 

Subj: ViewMate translation request - German


I've posted a vital postcard >from my grandfather in German for which I need
a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...


http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM35372


Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.


Thank you very much.


Moshe Kutten
Palacky university #austria-czech

rein@...
 

Hi,

Palacky university did not exist in that time, there was only a theological
faculty. The University was in 1860 canceled and continued only >from 1946.

Regards Vilem Reinoehl
Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech AKM Index of Musicians Found- Red-Lined Out Jewish Composers #austria-czech

Jan Meisels Allen
 

Sharla Levine inquired about the article that was included in the August 27
Austria-Czech SIG Discussion List about the AKM Index of Musicians Found-
Red-Lined Out Jewish Composers.

Included in my posting was the paragraph about the OREL Foundation which
includes a link to the images located at the url listed below:

"Shapreau also wrote an article posted to the website of the OREL
Foundation* in Los Angeles that includes the images of the AKM index." The
images may be viewed at: http://tinyurl.com/lcnrpxu

Original url:
http://orel.pmhclients.com/images/articles/AKMSTAGMA_Blacklist_City_of_Vienn
a_Library_Shapreau.pdf


Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee
Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech ViewMate file # 35372 #austria-czech

Nehama and Moshe Kutten
 

Subj: ViewMate translation request - German


I've posted a vital postcard >from my grandfather in German for which I need
a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...


http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM35372


Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.


Thank you very much.


Moshe Kutten
Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Palacky university #austria-czech

rein@...
 

Hi,

Palacky university did not exist in that time, there was only a theological
faculty. The University was in 1860 canceled and continued only >from 1946.

Regards Vilem Reinoehl
Younger age listing #lithuania

Ken Frieden <kfrieden@...>
 

I think that when my grandfather immigrated in 1913, the family had a good
reason to list his age a couple years younger than he was: so that he could
study in high school without being considered overage.

Ken Frieden

B. G. Rudolph Professor of Judaic Studies
Tolley Humanities Building
Syracuse University
Syracuse, NY 13244
________________________________________


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Subject: Revision list dates
From: "David W. Perle" <dwperle@...>
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:22:25 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

Matthew Rosenberg posted about revision list entries for his family which
predate when [he believes that] they were born, wondering about errors
in transcription.

While possible, I think that it's more likely that the believed dates
of their birth are probably wrong. I've also come across this sort of
thing, a great-grandfather of mine in particular. A few U.S. records
after he immigrated here consistently provide his age/year of birth
in Lithuania, but then I found two or three Lithuanian revision lists
showing him as having been something like 5 years older!

Explanations for why people become "younger" after immigrating vary.
One is that people just didn't always actually know their ages or dates
of birth, so they guessed that bit when they immigrated to a place like
the U.S. where that's a bureaucratic stat that's asked of them. Another
explanation is that women in particular--especially Lithuanian--were
very vain about age and kept their ages lower, and their husbands did
the same just so that they wouldn't "be" so much older than their wives!

I've concluded that my great-grandfather was *probably* a few years older
than his family ever knew. In the end...who knows!

David Perle
Washington, DC
Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Younger age listing #lithuania

Ken Frieden <kfrieden@...>
 

I think that when my grandfather immigrated in 1913, the family had a good
reason to list his age a couple years younger than he was: so that he could
study in high school without being considered overage.

Ken Frieden

B. G. Rudolph Professor of Judaic Studies
Tolley Humanities Building
Syracuse University
Syracuse, NY 13244
________________________________________


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Subject: Revision list dates
From: "David W. Perle" <dwperle@...>
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:22:25 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

Matthew Rosenberg posted about revision list entries for his family which
predate when [he believes that] they were born, wondering about errors
in transcription.

While possible, I think that it's more likely that the believed dates
of their birth are probably wrong. I've also come across this sort of
thing, a great-grandfather of mine in particular. A few U.S. records
after he immigrated here consistently provide his age/year of birth
in Lithuania, but then I found two or three Lithuanian revision lists
showing him as having been something like 5 years older!

Explanations for why people become "younger" after immigrating vary.
One is that people just didn't always actually know their ages or dates
of birth, so they guessed that bit when they immigrated to a place like
the U.S. where that's a bureaucratic stat that's asked of them. Another
explanation is that women in particular--especially Lithuanian--were
very vain about age and kept their ages lower, and their husbands did
the same just so that they wouldn't "be" so much older than their wives!

I've concluded that my great-grandfather was *probably* a few years older
than his family ever knew. In the end...who knows!

David Perle
Washington, DC
Re: Revision list dates #lithuania

Rita or Paul Gordon <prg202@...>
 

Message for David Perle : Check the Census records in the community
where he lived. Maryland
Census Records are good.

Rita Simon Gordon
prg202@...

-----Original Message-----
From: LitvakSIG digest
Subject: Revision list dates
From: "David W. Perle" <dwperle@...>
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:22:25 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

Matthew Rosenberg posted about revision list entries for his family which
predate when [he believes that] they were born, wondering about errors
in transcription.

While possible, I think that it's more likely that the believed dates
of their birth are probably wrong. I've also come across this sort of
thing, a great-grandfather of mine in particular. A few U.S. records
after he immigrated here consistently provide his age/year of birth
in Lithuania, but then I found two or three Lithuanian revision lists
showing him as having been something like 5 years older!

Explanations for why people become "younger" after immigrating vary.
One is that people just didn't always actually know their ages or dates
of birth, so they guessed that bit when they immigrated to a place like
the U.S. where that's a bureaucratic stat that's asked of them. Another
explanation is that women in particular--especially Lithuanian--were
very vain about age and kept their ages lower, and their husbands did
the same just so that they wouldn't "be" so much older than their wives!

I've concluded that my great-grandfather was *probably* a few years older
than his family ever knew. In the end...who knows!

David Perle
Washington, DC
Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Revision list dates #lithuania

Rita or Paul Gordon <prg202@...>
 

Message for David Perle : Check the Census records in the community
where he lived. Maryland
Census Records are good.

Rita Simon Gordon
prg202@...

-----Original Message-----
From: LitvakSIG digest
Subject: Revision list dates
From: "David W. Perle" <dwperle@...>
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:22:25 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

Matthew Rosenberg posted about revision list entries for his family which
predate when [he believes that] they were born, wondering about errors
in transcription.

While possible, I think that it's more likely that the believed dates
of their birth are probably wrong. I've also come across this sort of
thing, a great-grandfather of mine in particular. A few U.S. records
after he immigrated here consistently provide his age/year of birth
in Lithuania, but then I found two or three Lithuanian revision lists
showing him as having been something like 5 years older!

Explanations for why people become "younger" after immigrating vary.
One is that people just didn't always actually know their ages or dates
of birth, so they guessed that bit when they immigrated to a place like
the U.S. where that's a bureaucratic stat that's asked of them. Another
explanation is that women in particular--especially Lithuanian--were
very vain about age and kept their ages lower, and their husbands did
the same just so that they wouldn't "be" so much older than their wives!

I've concluded that my great-grandfather was *probably* a few years older
than his family ever knew. In the end...who knows!

David Perle
Washington, DC
revision list dates #lithuania

Tamar Dothan <dothan-t@...>
 

I also believe the earlier recorded dates of birth are more reliable.
Interestingly enough, I don't remember a case in which the ages provided in
the New Countries [U.S. or Argentina] were older than the dates provided in
the Old Country. In many cases in my family people said after immigration
they were younger than the original records stated. I think many people
believed that they had better chances of getting work if they were younger.

Tamar Dothan
Jerusalem, Israel
Lithuania SIG #Lithuania revision list dates #lithuania

Tamar Dothan <dothan-t@...>
 

I also believe the earlier recorded dates of birth are more reliable.
Interestingly enough, I don't remember a case in which the ages provided in
the New Countries [U.S. or Argentina] were older than the dates provided in
the Old Country. In many cases in my family people said after immigration
they were younger than the original records stated. I think many people
believed that they had better chances of getting work if they were younger.

Tamar Dothan
Jerusalem, Israel
Record Dates on Revision Lists #lithuania

Fred Millner <flmillner@...>
 

Hi, Matthew,



My ancestor'd family shows a similar problem with revision list
dates.

In my case, it is clear that the later-born children were added later.
The specific date of the revision list with my grandfather, 6-year old
Fayvish Milner, is 1887 (no day or month). His cousin Nakhemia is
shown as two years old (correct). Then Honel is shown with no age,
and a note, born in 1887. Then Chaim is shown with no ag=e, and a
note, born 29 July 1892. Two other children are added in the same
way, as being born after 1887. In your case, I think that since the
children show no ages, they were added after the revision was taken.
The census-taker, however, did not note when they were actually born.

Of course, in your case not even the head of household has an age
shown. But my point is that at least in some cases, additions could
be made to the document after the original date of the revision.

Incidentally, the Russian records all show my grandfather as being
born somewhere in the 1880-82 period. My grandfather always said it
was 1880. But when he got married in 1911, he entered his age as 32!
I think his celebrated birthday was always an approximate.

Congratulations on the find! It is always thrilling.

Yours,

Fred Millner
Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Record Dates on Revision Lists #lithuania

Fred Millner <flmillner@...>
 

Hi, Matthew,



My ancestor'd family shows a similar problem with revision list
dates.

In my case, it is clear that the later-born children were added later.
The specific date of the revision list with my grandfather, 6-year old
Fayvish Milner, is 1887 (no day or month). His cousin Nakhemia is
shown as two years old (correct). Then Honel is shown with no age,
and a note, born in 1887. Then Chaim is shown with no ag=e, and a
note, born 29 July 1892. Two other children are added in the same
way, as being born after 1887. In your case, I think that since the
children show no ages, they were added after the revision was taken.
The census-taker, however, did not note when they were actually born.

Of course, in your case not even the head of household has an age
shown. But my point is that at least in some cases, additions could
be made to the document after the original date of the revision.

Incidentally, the Russian records all show my grandfather as being
born somewhere in the 1880-82 period. My grandfather always said it
was 1880. But when he got married in 1911, he entered his age as 32!
I think his celebrated birthday was always an approximate.

Congratulations on the find! It is always thrilling.

Yours,

Fred Millner
Re: Revision list dates #lithuania

David Ellis
 

David Perle writes about his g-gf's birth date:

I think that it's more likely that the believed dates of their birth
are probably wrong....
A few U.S. records after he immigrated here consistently provide his
age/year of birth in Lithuania, but then I found two or three Lithuanian
revision lists showing him as having been something like 5 years
older!

My experience is similar, but I came to a different conclusion. My g-gf was
listed on a variety of US records (census, naturalization, death) with an
age implying he was born in 1851 or 1852. The 1858 revision list from
Lithuania shows his age as 9, implying a birth in 1849. But the previous
revision list, >from 1850-1851, showed his parents as married with no
children. So in this particular case I would give more credence to his
birth date being 1851 or 1852.


------
David J Ellis
Natick, MA 01760
djemkitso@...
Lithuania SIG #Lithuania RE: Revision list dates #lithuania

David Ellis
 

David Perle writes about his g-gf's birth date:

I think that it's more likely that the believed dates of their birth
are probably wrong....
A few U.S. records after he immigrated here consistently provide his
age/year of birth in Lithuania, but then I found two or three Lithuanian
revision lists showing him as having been something like 5 years
older!

My experience is similar, but I came to a different conclusion. My g-gf was
listed on a variety of US records (census, naturalization, death) with an
age implying he was born in 1851 or 1852. The 1858 revision list from
Lithuania shows his age as 9, implying a birth in 1849. But the previous
revision list, >from 1850-1851, showed his parents as married with no
children. So in this particular case I would give more credence to his
birth date being 1851 or 1852.


------
David J Ellis
Natick, MA 01760
djemkitso@...
Trakai District Research Group #lithuania

amy wachs
 

During August, the Trakai District Research Group added several new
translated lists of Internal Passport Records for Alytus Uyezd and the
towns of Butrimonys, Dugai, Jieznas, Merkine, Stakliskes, and Varena.

This information is available now to qualified contributors, who
also have access to all the files of records previously translated for
the Trakai District Research Group.

A contribution of $100 or more will qualify you to become part of the
LitvakSIG Trakai District Research Group, with access to the Group's
Shutterfly Site at https://trakaidistrict.shutterfly.com. This site
provides qualified contributors to the LitvakSIG Trakai District Research
Group access to translated records for Trakai District towns immediately
after they are translated. These records only become publicly searchable
on the LitvakSIG All Lithuania Database 18 months after they are
translated.

Contribute now to receive access to Trakai District translations through
December 31, 2,018. To contribute to our efforts to translate records
for the Trakai District go to www.litvaksig.org/contribute.
Scroll down to Research Groups and choose Trakai District.

We hope you'll join us!

Amy Wachs
Coordinator, Trakai District Research Group =
Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Trakai District Research Group #lithuania

amy wachs
 

During August, the Trakai District Research Group added several new
translated lists of Internal Passport Records for Alytus Uyezd and the
towns of Butrimonys, Dugai, Jieznas, Merkine, Stakliskes, and Varena.

This information is available now to qualified contributors, who
also have access to all the files of records previously translated for
the Trakai District Research Group.

A contribution of $100 or more will qualify you to become part of the
LitvakSIG Trakai District Research Group, with access to the Group's
Shutterfly Site at https://trakaidistrict.shutterfly.com. This site
provides qualified contributors to the LitvakSIG Trakai District Research
Group access to translated records for Trakai District towns immediately
after they are translated. These records only become publicly searchable
on the LitvakSIG All Lithuania Database 18 months after they are
translated.

Contribute now to receive access to Trakai District translations through
December 31, 2,018. To contribute to our efforts to translate records
for the Trakai District go to www.litvaksig.org/contribute.
Scroll down to Research Groups and choose Trakai District.

We hope you'll join us!

Amy Wachs
Coordinator, Trakai District Research Group =
ViewMate translation request - Russian (Miedzyrzec Podlaski, Poland) #poland

Yaron Pedhazur
 

Dear fellow researchers, I've posted a vital record in Russian for which
I need an extraction. It is of my LEJZERSON family >from Lomazy (the record
is >from Miedzyrzec Podlaski - Poland). The record can be found on
ViewMate at the following link:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM35415

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate site.
Thank you very much,

Yaron Pedhazur
Tel Aviv, Israel
JRI Poland #Poland ViewMate translation request - Russian (Miedzyrzec Podlaski, Poland) #poland

Yaron Pedhazur
 

Dear fellow researchers, I've posted a vital record in Russian for which
I need an extraction. It is of my LEJZERSON family >from Lomazy (the record
is >from Miedzyrzec Podlaski - Poland). The record can be found on
ViewMate at the following link:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM35415

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate site.
Thank you very much,

Yaron Pedhazur
Tel Aviv, Israel
116501 - 116520 of 669675