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Researching HAUSER HIRSCHHORN HOROWITZ STURM #galicia

Michael B. Sturm <KA2E@...>
 

Warm greetings to all:

This is my first post to the group. I'm researching my family history, all
my grandparents were born in Northwestern Galicia, now Poland, and emigrated
to the NY area prior to 1910.

For details on the following, please refer to my genealogy site:

http://home.att.net/~ka2e/gen

STURM: Possibly of Jaroslav. Descendents are: METH (NY area), WEINGARTEN,
DAYAGE (FISHER) (Israel) and RASKIN (NY/NJ and Durham NC.) Cousins named
Oelbaum in Toronto, but I don't know the connection.

HIRSCHHORN: Tarnobrzeg, Roswadow, Przymsl. Numerous descendents. The
family settled in mostly in NY and Mount Freedom, NJ.

HOROWITZ: I have the least information on my maternal grandfather, Morris
B. Horowitz. I believe he was born in Oswiecim and grew up in Krakow. I am
researching a Chasidic connection, his father was named Yitzhak Meyer (Itche
Meyer) which is a famous Chasidic name (of the Gerrer sect) and the Chasidic
movement has many Horowitzes.

HAUSER: Subov, near Tarnobrzeg. Many descendents. Through JGFF and Gesher
Galicia, I've been able to reconnect with a second cousin, Neal Hauser and
between us we've put together an 8 generation tree.

Any assistance in this research is welcomed.

I have another interest I'd like to get help with. I'm looking for
definative information on the "correct" Galitzianer pronunciation of Yiddish
and and Hebrew. Standard YIVO and modern Yishevish pronunciation of Yiddish
are nothing like the sweet Galitzianer Yiddish I remember my Grandparents
speaking. I'd love to connect with someone who has info on our dialect.
Zaat Gezint.

Best wishes for a happy Chanukah to all.

Mike Sturm
Staten Island, NY
Reply to: ka2e@att.net
http://home.att.net/~ka2e


Re: Gymalov #galicia

Brian Stern <brians@...>
 

Does anyone know where Gymalov is located? A cousin of mine was born there,
somewhere between Rashtowce and Vienna.
David Belgray, NYC

This is most likely Grimaylov, or Rymalov in Yiddish. It is about 25 miles
SE of Tarnopol near
Terebovlya and Chortkov
Brian Stern Lexington, KY


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Researching HAUSER HIRSCHHORN HOROWITZ STURM #galicia

Michael B. Sturm <KA2E@...>
 

Warm greetings to all:

This is my first post to the group. I'm researching my family history, all
my grandparents were born in Northwestern Galicia, now Poland, and emigrated
to the NY area prior to 1910.

For details on the following, please refer to my genealogy site:

http://home.att.net/~ka2e/gen

STURM: Possibly of Jaroslav. Descendents are: METH (NY area), WEINGARTEN,
DAYAGE (FISHER) (Israel) and RASKIN (NY/NJ and Durham NC.) Cousins named
Oelbaum in Toronto, but I don't know the connection.

HIRSCHHORN: Tarnobrzeg, Roswadow, Przymsl. Numerous descendents. The
family settled in mostly in NY and Mount Freedom, NJ.

HOROWITZ: I have the least information on my maternal grandfather, Morris
B. Horowitz. I believe he was born in Oswiecim and grew up in Krakow. I am
researching a Chasidic connection, his father was named Yitzhak Meyer (Itche
Meyer) which is a famous Chasidic name (of the Gerrer sect) and the Chasidic
movement has many Horowitzes.

HAUSER: Subov, near Tarnobrzeg. Many descendents. Through JGFF and Gesher
Galicia, I've been able to reconnect with a second cousin, Neal Hauser and
between us we've put together an 8 generation tree.

Any assistance in this research is welcomed.

I have another interest I'd like to get help with. I'm looking for
definative information on the "correct" Galitzianer pronunciation of Yiddish
and and Hebrew. Standard YIVO and modern Yishevish pronunciation of Yiddish
are nothing like the sweet Galitzianer Yiddish I remember my Grandparents
speaking. I'd love to connect with someone who has info on our dialect.
Zaat Gezint.

Best wishes for a happy Chanukah to all.

Mike Sturm
Staten Island, NY
Reply to: ka2e@att.net
http://home.att.net/~ka2e


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia RE: Gymalov #galicia

Brian Stern <brians@...>
 

Does anyone know where Gymalov is located? A cousin of mine was born there,
somewhere between Rashtowce and Vienna.
David Belgray, NYC

This is most likely Grimaylov, or Rymalov in Yiddish. It is about 25 miles
SE of Tarnopol near
Terebovlya and Chortkov
Brian Stern Lexington, KY


Sneider #southafrica

shaul <shaul@...>
 

Sneider


Can anyone assist on this query? If you can reply directly to Holly.


<<Hollie Elhilow <hme@sprintmail.com writes
Dr. Issroff,

The relatives I know of in the South Africa area lived in an area called
Rosebank. The last known names and information I have is as follows:

Naomi Sneider
Fanny Sneider
David Sneider, and
S. Sneider who had the following address:

London Outfitters
181C Oxford Road
Rosebank Johannesburg
42-3596 Telephone
Proprietor: S. Sneider

The relatives in Israel (last known mailing information >from an envelope
around late 1940's):

Jochebed Bneyahu
Shikun Lampert Kfar Saba
Sderot Hanna Senesh 1
Israel, Asia

Could you put me in touch with any of your contact in these areas who
would have knowledge of people going back to the 1940's?
Sincerely,
Hollie Myers Elhilow
--
Dr Saul Issroff
London2001 - 21st International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
8-13 July 2001 www.jewishgen.org/london2001
info.london2001@talk21.com


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Sneider #southafrica

shaul <shaul@...>
 

Sneider


Can anyone assist on this query? If you can reply directly to Holly.


<<Hollie Elhilow <hme@sprintmail.com writes
Dr. Issroff,

The relatives I know of in the South Africa area lived in an area called
Rosebank. The last known names and information I have is as follows:

Naomi Sneider
Fanny Sneider
David Sneider, and
S. Sneider who had the following address:

London Outfitters
181C Oxford Road
Rosebank Johannesburg
42-3596 Telephone
Proprietor: S. Sneider

The relatives in Israel (last known mailing information >from an envelope
around late 1940's):

Jochebed Bneyahu
Shikun Lampert Kfar Saba
Sderot Hanna Senesh 1
Israel, Asia

Could you put me in touch with any of your contact in these areas who
would have knowledge of people going back to the 1940's?
Sincerely,
Hollie Myers Elhilow
--
Dr Saul Issroff
London2001 - 21st International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
8-13 July 2001 www.jewishgen.org/london2001
info.london2001@talk21.com


Grandfather #lithuania

Brian Posner <brianposner@...>
 

I have discovered a Movsha Peyzner, age 32, Father's name Ber, in an
Additional Revision List. This shows him living in Zagare (Town),
Siauliai (Uyezd), Kaunas (Guberniya) on 16 March 1866.

I think that this person is my great-grandfather but need to discover
the names of his children, particularly whether he had a child named
Tsvi (my grandfather) in 1869. The Lithuanian State Historical Archives
and Kaunas Regional Archives are unable to help. This family does not
appear on any other Revision List and no vital records survive. The
Mormon Family History Centre similarly has no information and enquiries
in the UK and elsewhere have always been unsuccessful.

1. Does anyone recognise this person or family?

2. Can you suggest any other lines of enquiry apart >from contacting
everyone researching the name Posner, which I intend to do? I
wonder whether I have reached the end of the line.

Brian Posner
brianposner@lineone.net


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Grandfather #lithuania

Brian Posner <brianposner@...>
 

I have discovered a Movsha Peyzner, age 32, Father's name Ber, in an
Additional Revision List. This shows him living in Zagare (Town),
Siauliai (Uyezd), Kaunas (Guberniya) on 16 March 1866.

I think that this person is my great-grandfather but need to discover
the names of his children, particularly whether he had a child named
Tsvi (my grandfather) in 1869. The Lithuanian State Historical Archives
and Kaunas Regional Archives are unable to help. This family does not
appear on any other Revision List and no vital records survive. The
Mormon Family History Centre similarly has no information and enquiries
in the UK and elsewhere have always been unsuccessful.

1. Does anyone recognise this person or family?

2. Can you suggest any other lines of enquiry apart >from contacting
everyone researching the name Posner, which I intend to do? I
wonder whether I have reached the end of the line.

Brian Posner
brianposner@lineone.net


Faster UK Certificates #general

Naidia Woolf <rnwoolf@...>
 

This message is being forwarded to the group on behalf of Sylvia Kaye in
Israel and with her written permission. Please respond to her directly at
the following: [...]

Sylvia wrote:

It may be helpful to those wanting to obtain birth certificates >from the
Family Records Centre in London to know the following shortcut - once you
know the borough in which the birth was registered (this appears in the
birth listings), you can obtain a copy of the certificate, on the spot, at
the Office of Registration in the borough itself Ii.e. a 20 minute wait by
presenting you request, in person, at the Registration Office itself,
rather than a 4 day wait at the Family Records Centre). did this during a
recent visit to London and t saved myself a further visit to the FRC (and a
four-day wait during which I would not have been able to utilize the
information found on the birth certificate). I presume that this would
apply throughout England, and possibly also to other types of registration
certificates (?) (I have to thank a fellow researcher at the FRc for this
tip.) The cost of the copy is the same in both places.
One additional tip in the UK - by enquiring at one of the local libraries
in the East End of London, I discovered that one of the group of libraries
in that area actually has a Family History Department, which is open to the
public, and holds many local records, including census information,
electoral registers, and the entire Jewish Chronicle on microfische, and
the staff were extremely helpful. I believe that more and more boroughs are
setting up such library departments, and they are really worth looking for.


Sylvia Kaye

Israel

Searching: BUCHALTER (Siret, Bukovina; ROSEMAN (Mihaileni, Romania);

BITTAN (London, East End): KOSOKOVSKY (Kiev); DRUKKER (Galacia); HYAMS

London, East End).
End of Sylvia's message.

--- Naidia Woolf
--- rnwoolf@earthlink.net


MODERATOR NOTE: Sylvia Kaye's e-mail address has been removed in accordance
with JewishGen policy barring the posting of third party e-mail addresses.
Please reply to Naidia Woolf for contact information.


Re: Wooden Synagogues #galicia

Kenneth Zucker <kenneth.zucker@...>
 

We saw the wooden synagogue of Rozalimas during a visit to Lithuania three
years ago. We also met through our guide Chaim Bargman a lady who lives in
the house known to have been the home of the Rabbi. She invited us in.That
was particularly moving as my wife's grandfather Yekutiel Zussman Brudno was Rabbi of Rozalimas dying in about 1923. Her father was probably born in that house. There was unfortunately little left of the cemetry.

Kenneth Zucker


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Faster UK Certificates #general

Naidia Woolf <rnwoolf@...>
 

This message is being forwarded to the group on behalf of Sylvia Kaye in
Israel and with her written permission. Please respond to her directly at
the following: [...]

Sylvia wrote:

It may be helpful to those wanting to obtain birth certificates >from the
Family Records Centre in London to know the following shortcut - once you
know the borough in which the birth was registered (this appears in the
birth listings), you can obtain a copy of the certificate, on the spot, at
the Office of Registration in the borough itself Ii.e. a 20 minute wait by
presenting you request, in person, at the Registration Office itself,
rather than a 4 day wait at the Family Records Centre). did this during a
recent visit to London and t saved myself a further visit to the FRC (and a
four-day wait during which I would not have been able to utilize the
information found on the birth certificate). I presume that this would
apply throughout England, and possibly also to other types of registration
certificates (?) (I have to thank a fellow researcher at the FRc for this
tip.) The cost of the copy is the same in both places.
One additional tip in the UK - by enquiring at one of the local libraries
in the East End of London, I discovered that one of the group of libraries
in that area actually has a Family History Department, which is open to the
public, and holds many local records, including census information,
electoral registers, and the entire Jewish Chronicle on microfische, and
the staff were extremely helpful. I believe that more and more boroughs are
setting up such library departments, and they are really worth looking for.


Sylvia Kaye

Israel

Searching: BUCHALTER (Siret, Bukovina; ROSEMAN (Mihaileni, Romania);

BITTAN (London, East End): KOSOKOVSKY (Kiev); DRUKKER (Galacia); HYAMS

London, East End).
End of Sylvia's message.

--- Naidia Woolf
--- rnwoolf@earthlink.net


MODERATOR NOTE: Sylvia Kaye's e-mail address has been removed in accordance
with JewishGen policy barring the posting of third party e-mail addresses.
Please reply to Naidia Woolf for contact information.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Wooden Synagogues #lithuania

Kenneth Zucker <kenneth.zucker@...>
 

We saw the wooden synagogue of Rozalimas during a visit to Lithuania three
years ago. We also met through our guide Chaim Bargman a lady who lives in
the house known to have been the home of the Rabbi. She invited us in.That
was particularly moving as my wife's grandfather Yekutiel Zussman Brudno was Rabbi of Rozalimas dying in about 1923. Her father was probably born in that house. There was unfortunately little left of the cemetry.

Kenneth Zucker


Re: Boston vital records pre 1900 #general

Interpros <interpros@...>
 

I am seeking marriage and birth records for family members who lived
in Massachusetts pre-1900. I believe that they lived in Boston and
that the Mass State Archives should have these records but they do
not. Any suggestions?
If you know the county in which they were born, the county clerk might
be able to help you.

Lee Schlesinger
Searching SCHLESINGER, HILLMAN, ROBINSON, WEISMAN, COOPERSTOCK,
KAPLOWITZ/KOPLOWITZ


Brooklyn Business Directory 1933-34 (from Shuell to Shugia) #general

,
 

Dear Genners,
In photostating some information >from the Directory, the following last
names also appeared. If any of them belong to your family please contact me
and I will be glad to give you the information listed.

Shuell Shuffin
Shugert
Shueman Shuffmann
Shughrue
Shuemate Shuford
Shugia
Shuert Shufro
Shuerzinger Shugal
Shuey Shugarman
Shufack Shugarr
Shufeld Shugars
Shufelt Shugda
Shuff
Shugerman

Carol Blumenthal-Cohen

MODERATOR NOTE: Carol's reference is to the Brooklyn Business Directory,
1933-34


Re: NYBC digitization of Yizkor Books #general

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Hi,

I'm a member of NYBC, although admittedly not a very active one.
However when I heard about a year ago about their Yizkor book
digitization project I spoke with some people there about it. My
understanding also is that they are just digitizing and making
available only the original Yizkor books. I had hoped that they would
be doing some of their own translations and making them available
also but this is apparently not the case. I think that what they are
doing is of considerable but somewhat limited value. My understanding
is that many of the Yizkor books are available even in Yiddish or
Hebrew only in quite limited numbers, and that many of these books
are getting old and are not very well preserved. I think NYBC should
be supported in their effort, and I have quite a bit of confidence
that they will not be doing anything that could be seen as possibly
illegal or unethical. However, I do understand people's concerns and
desire to clarify the situation. It's so clear to me that so many
people have given so much of themselves in connection with the Yizkor
Book Project, and have done such important work. Work that I have
personally learned so much >from . . . hats off to every one of them!

Tilford Bartman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Boston vital records pre 1900 #general

Interpros <interpros@...>
 

I am seeking marriage and birth records for family members who lived
in Massachusetts pre-1900. I believe that they lived in Boston and
that the Mass State Archives should have these records but they do
not. Any suggestions?
If you know the county in which they were born, the county clerk might
be able to help you.

Lee Schlesinger
Searching SCHLESINGER, HILLMAN, ROBINSON, WEISMAN, COOPERSTOCK,
KAPLOWITZ/KOPLOWITZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Brooklyn Business Directory 1933-34 (from Shuell to Shugia) #general

,
 

Dear Genners,
In photostating some information >from the Directory, the following last
names also appeared. If any of them belong to your family please contact me
and I will be glad to give you the information listed.

Shuell Shuffin
Shugert
Shueman Shuffmann
Shughrue
Shuemate Shuford
Shugia
Shuert Shufro
Shuerzinger Shugal
Shuey Shugarman
Shufack Shugarr
Shufeld Shugars
Shufelt Shugda
Shuff
Shugerman

Carol Blumenthal-Cohen

MODERATOR NOTE: Carol's reference is to the Brooklyn Business Directory,
1933-34


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: NYBC digitization of Yizkor Books #general

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Hi,

I'm a member of NYBC, although admittedly not a very active one.
However when I heard about a year ago about their Yizkor book
digitization project I spoke with some people there about it. My
understanding also is that they are just digitizing and making
available only the original Yizkor books. I had hoped that they would
be doing some of their own translations and making them available
also but this is apparently not the case. I think that what they are
doing is of considerable but somewhat limited value. My understanding
is that many of the Yizkor books are available even in Yiddish or
Hebrew only in quite limited numbers, and that many of these books
are getting old and are not very well preserved. I think NYBC should
be supported in their effort, and I have quite a bit of confidence
that they will not be doing anything that could be seen as possibly
illegal or unethical. However, I do understand people's concerns and
desire to clarify the situation. It's so clear to me that so many
people have given so much of themselves in connection with the Yizkor
Book Project, and have done such important work. Work that I have
personally learned so much >from . . . hats off to every one of them!

Tilford Bartman


GENKIN NYC Passenger index - listing #general

Hilary Henkin <hilary@...>
 

Dear group,

When I look through the passenger list index for New York City for a
specific relative, I sometimes write down every possible family member, just
in case.

I have ended up with long lists of passengers who are no apparent relation
to me. Perhaps they'll be relations to you!

Below are listed the variations on GENKIN who immigrated to New York between
1897 and 1945. I don't claim it's complete, but I've tried to copy the
spelling of each name as it appeared. A question mark means I wasn't sure
of the number or letter. Note: HENKIN is a separate group, which I'll
transcribe at a later date.

If you find a name you wish further information on, please refer to the
InfoFiles for instructions on finding and ordering the correct reel of
microfilm for passenger manifests. I have no other information.

Good luck!

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia
Researching:
Mogilev - BERLIN, HENKIN-GENKIN; MESCENOKOV
Ekaterinoslav - KATZ; LAPIDUS; LAVROTIN-LAVRUTIN; PESACHINSKY; SHIMERNITSKY;
STEINHART
Roumania: DONNENFIELD; RINCOVER-HARINCOVER; DOLLINGER
Harbin, China: SREBERK-SCHRIEBER, LEVITT, SCHON--
---
A helpful hint: To see families travelling together, sort these names
according to the date or volume number. Families will group themselves.

Please refer to the InfoFile on Passenger List Indexes to interpret the
index entries below.

GENKIN, Adele 50f 1 48 5801
GENKIN, Avrum 7m 16 86 7691
GANKIN, Ba-le age 19 SS. St Louis; American Line Mar 20, 1903 Group
16, list 23
GENKIN, Basia 57f 2 43 7741

...

GENKIN, Wolf? Wolf? age 32. SS Giulla, Giula Austro-A Line. Nov. 26,
1906 Group 22, list 13
GHANCIN, Youseff, 4m 16 17 5327
GENKIN, Salmon age 6. Group 35, list 3. SS Campania, Cunard Line. Aug.
4, 1907
GENKIN, Zusche 21m 9 69 5127


MODERATOR NOTE: Most of the entries have been edited out to save space.
Please contact Hilary privately for further details. Note that the
JewishGen Discussion Group Rules state that long lists and tables should be
submitted as an InfoFile or a database, rather than as a post to the
Discussion Group. One advantage of this approach is that tables do not
display properly when posted here, and such operations as the sorting Hilary
suggests are generally not possible without a considerable amount of
tinkering and computer skill.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen GENKIN NYC Passenger index - listing #general

Hilary Henkin <hilary@...>
 

Dear group,

When I look through the passenger list index for New York City for a
specific relative, I sometimes write down every possible family member, just
in case.

I have ended up with long lists of passengers who are no apparent relation
to me. Perhaps they'll be relations to you!

Below are listed the variations on GENKIN who immigrated to New York between
1897 and 1945. I don't claim it's complete, but I've tried to copy the
spelling of each name as it appeared. A question mark means I wasn't sure
of the number or letter. Note: HENKIN is a separate group, which I'll
transcribe at a later date.

If you find a name you wish further information on, please refer to the
InfoFiles for instructions on finding and ordering the correct reel of
microfilm for passenger manifests. I have no other information.

Good luck!

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia
Researching:
Mogilev - BERLIN, HENKIN-GENKIN; MESCENOKOV
Ekaterinoslav - KATZ; LAPIDUS; LAVROTIN-LAVRUTIN; PESACHINSKY; SHIMERNITSKY;
STEINHART
Roumania: DONNENFIELD; RINCOVER-HARINCOVER; DOLLINGER
Harbin, China: SREBERK-SCHRIEBER, LEVITT, SCHON--
---
A helpful hint: To see families travelling together, sort these names
according to the date or volume number. Families will group themselves.

Please refer to the InfoFile on Passenger List Indexes to interpret the
index entries below.

GENKIN, Adele 50f 1 48 5801
GENKIN, Avrum 7m 16 86 7691
GANKIN, Ba-le age 19 SS. St Louis; American Line Mar 20, 1903 Group
16, list 23
GENKIN, Basia 57f 2 43 7741

...

GENKIN, Wolf? Wolf? age 32. SS Giulla, Giula Austro-A Line. Nov. 26,
1906 Group 22, list 13
GHANCIN, Youseff, 4m 16 17 5327
GENKIN, Salmon age 6. Group 35, list 3. SS Campania, Cunard Line. Aug.
4, 1907
GENKIN, Zusche 21m 9 69 5127


MODERATOR NOTE: Most of the entries have been edited out to save space.
Please contact Hilary privately for further details. Note that the
JewishGen Discussion Group Rules state that long lists and tables should be
submitted as an InfoFile or a database, rather than as a post to the
Discussion Group. One advantage of this approach is that tables do not
display properly when posted here, and such operations as the sorting Hilary
suggests are generally not possible without a considerable amount of
tinkering and computer skill.