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Re: Hawkers #general

Lalita Claff <lalita@...>
 

It's no trouble - just a clarification on a story.
My father grew up in those times and was recalling a story. On reading
your posting I realised that I don't remember Dad ever saying he was >from
Manchester. I just placed it there because it came in with Dad's
childhood stories.
Dad was using it as a teaching story of what is possible - so it's
probably a case of Chinese whispers. It may even be an urban myth -
Thank you for adding clarity.

By the way - my name's Leora ClaFF (Kuff, Lamed Fey) not Cladd

Leora Cladd wrote

< A story that my father told me about a very clever Jewish refugee in
Manchester. Apparently he began by making shoes and trying to hawk them
around by knocking on doors but found that people would turn him away. So
he devised a clever plan. He knocked on the door and when it opened he
simply threw the shoes in. Then went back for the shoes or the sale. The
man was Mr Marks who later became one of the founders of Marks & Spencers
in England >

The trouble with this story is that Simon Marks began in Leeds not
Manchester.

Harold Pollins
Oxford, England


Re: Zelda #general

Lalita Claff <lalita@...>
 

Thank you to Abe who sent me information privately about the name Laikee
being a biblical version of Leah.
I took on the name Leora when in the 1970's I decided to use a Hebrew name
instead of a Christian name. I felt I couldn't use the name Laikee
because I'd never heard of it.

Then recently I was lent a copy of Maisey Moscow's book Raisins and
Almonds and for the first time saw the name mentioned. It felt really
good to know that my "Jewish name" (yes Zalman - I know Laikee is not
a "Hebrew name") was a real one. I think if I'd remained in Manchester I
would have had things more in context, but coming away >from my 'shtetl'
I'm only now finding my connections again.

Leora Claff


Re: South Florida resources #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

To the the individual who was seeking info about Florida newspapers, incl.
historical Florida newspapers.

See link on this South Florida resource page--
http://jgsbroward.org/browres.html

koosh@att.net
Bernard Kouchel


EPSTEIN in Providence RI #general

mkshapiro@...
 

Dear Genners-
If anyone can help me with this I would appreciate it.
I came across a photocopy of a card >from the U.S.
Department of Justice, Immigration and Naturalization
Service (Form 1-IP).This was for grandfather Jacob
EPSTEIN. The following info was provided:
Family Name, Given Name
Address
Certificate no. (P) 3638
Title and Location of court
Common Pleas Div., Supreme Court,Prov.
Date and port of arrival in U.S.
Sept. 26, 1893 New York, NY
Date of naturalizaiton
Sept. 5, 1899
Names and addresses of witnesses

My questions to this group are:
1) Is there still such a court in Providence Rhode
Island? and,
2) If there is, what is their address?
3) If no such place exists where can I try to
send a request to get a copy of the application for
naturalization ?
Thanks for your help,
Marshall Shapiro
searching EPSTEIN, SHAPIRO, KANOFSKY, and SATENSTEIN


Re: Thanks ViewMate #1785 - LENCZNER, Liba, Birth Record (GLICKMAN) #general

desrx <desrx@...>
 

Thanks for the quick response. We had been looking for a Rywa (sp) as the
mother of Liba Lenczner, now it seems she was a Glickman so another new
surname for our list. Apparently Liba's brother David entered the US in
1911 going to an uncle ???? Glicksman(?) in Philadelphia on what appears
to be S. 2nd Street(?).

Thanks again - really makes a difference and it was sitting under my nose
for the past couple of Years.

Michael McTeer
29 Palms, CA
mcteer@mailandnews.com


Marks & Spencer--the story comes round and round and closes the circle. #general

MBernet@...
 

a recent story:

<< . . . . . a very clever Jewish refugee in
>Manchester. Apparently he began by making shoes and trying to hawk them
>around by knocking on doors but found that people would turn him away.
>So he devised a clever plan. He knocked on the door and when it opened
>he simply threw the shoes in. Then went back for the shoes or the
>sale. The man was Mr Marks who later became one of the founders of
>Marks & Spencers in England >>

==and a few comments
1. Jews may have fled the Russian empire but they saw themselves as
immigrants, not as refugees, not basically different >from the Gentile
migrants who were also fleeing poverty, corruption and distress. The
Jewish identification of immigraants as refugees generally dates only
since the 1930s
2. A man who made a product might sell them >from a store, but if he had
the skills to make the product he's be wasting his energy hawking them on
the street or door to door--there were always enough desperate people to
do the selling for a pittance.
3. Michael Marks, father of the cofounder of Marks and Spencer, settled
in England in 1882 and conducted his business >from a cart. He was not a
shoemaker, and not a hawker but a street vendor. In 1884 he opened a
market stall in Leeds which he later expanded into a chain of "Penny
Bazaars"--the first, as I recall was at the Hood Street Market in
Newcastle upon Tyne (the largest Marks and Spencer to this day is also in
Newcastle) and the chain branched out, first through the Midlands, then
through all of England
4. (Lord) Simon Marks was born in Manchester in 1888 (I have no idea why
there and not in Leeds). His business partner was (Lord) Israel Moses
Sieff.
It was a close-knit family: Marks married Sieff's sister and Sieff
married Marks's sister, quite a common practice among Jews at that time.
By linking two large extended families, they were able to keep their many
stores under tight family direction and offer employment to other
immigrant Jews. I have no idea who Spencer was. An early partner who
sold out? A name taken by Sieff for business purposes because it sounded
less Jewish?
5. It would be rash for anyone to throw something into a stranger's house
and then hope to come back in the hope of either retrieving it or getting
paid for it. Shoes above all, which were expensive to buy, and which
needed a purchaser who had the right sized foot, had a specific taste in
the style, was in need of new shoes that day, and had enough money at hand
to pay for them.

As Leora Claff wisely explained: "it came in with Dad's childhood
stories.
Dad was using it as a teaching story of what is possible - so it's
probably a case of Chinese whispers. It may even be an urban myth."

==I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it's based on one of Aesops
fables--or even antedates it. It's a great story that teaches us that if
the common way doesn't work for us we should take the unconventional
route.
That's a lesson, I guess, that was very important for the economic
survival of our ancestors.

==And there's a lesson there for genealogists: not everything you hear in
the recounting of family history is necessarily true--nor does it
necesssarily originate with Aesop. It may simply be a Bobbe Mayseh
(which, incidentally, had nothing to do with your grandmother's stories,
but was originally a Yiddish book, the translation of an Italian
book "Buovo d'Antona" which was the Italian version of the English "Sir
Bevis of Hampton". I don't know the connection between Sir Bevis of
Hampton and the great Sephardi synagogue in London known as Bevis Marks,
but I'm sure Bevis Marks wasn't named after Michael Marks, an Ashkenazi
peddler >from Leeds who refused to throw shoes into people's homes).

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@aol.com>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


Need an obituary lookup for LA #general

Howard Zakai
 

Los Angeles Genners,

Would anyone be able to do an obituary lookup in the Los Angeles Times for
March 3rd and 4th of 1998??

I am looking for Abe KURZIUS, who died, according to the SSDI, at age 85
on Feb 28, 1998 in North Hollywood, 91606.

I am at the last straws of finding my cousin Martin, and I must resort to
collateral research. I would appreciate any kind of help and I can
return the favor with some research in New York City.

Thank you in advance.

Howie Zakai
Staten Island, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Hawkers #general

Lalita Claff <lalita@...>
 

It's no trouble - just a clarification on a story.
My father grew up in those times and was recalling a story. On reading
your posting I realised that I don't remember Dad ever saying he was >from
Manchester. I just placed it there because it came in with Dad's
childhood stories.
Dad was using it as a teaching story of what is possible - so it's
probably a case of Chinese whispers. It may even be an urban myth -
Thank you for adding clarity.

By the way - my name's Leora ClaFF (Kuff, Lamed Fey) not Cladd

Leora Cladd wrote

< A story that my father told me about a very clever Jewish refugee in
Manchester. Apparently he began by making shoes and trying to hawk them
around by knocking on doors but found that people would turn him away. So
he devised a clever plan. He knocked on the door and when it opened he
simply threw the shoes in. Then went back for the shoes or the sale. The
man was Mr Marks who later became one of the founders of Marks & Spencers
in England >

The trouble with this story is that Simon Marks began in Leeds not
Manchester.

Harold Pollins
Oxford, England


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Zelda #general

Lalita Claff <lalita@...>
 

Thank you to Abe who sent me information privately about the name Laikee
being a biblical version of Leah.
I took on the name Leora when in the 1970's I decided to use a Hebrew name
instead of a Christian name. I felt I couldn't use the name Laikee
because I'd never heard of it.

Then recently I was lent a copy of Maisey Moscow's book Raisins and
Almonds and for the first time saw the name mentioned. It felt really
good to know that my "Jewish name" (yes Zalman - I know Laikee is not
a "Hebrew name") was a real one. I think if I'd remained in Manchester I
would have had things more in context, but coming away >from my 'shtetl'
I'm only now finding my connections again.

Leora Claff


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: South Florida resources #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

To the the individual who was seeking info about Florida newspapers, incl.
historical Florida newspapers.

See link on this South Florida resource page--
http://jgsbroward.org/browres.html

koosh@att.net
Bernard Kouchel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen EPSTEIN in Providence RI #general

mkshapiro@...
 

Dear Genners-
If anyone can help me with this I would appreciate it.
I came across a photocopy of a card >from the U.S.
Department of Justice, Immigration and Naturalization
Service (Form 1-IP).This was for grandfather Jacob
EPSTEIN. The following info was provided:
Family Name, Given Name
Address
Certificate no. (P) 3638
Title and Location of court
Common Pleas Div., Supreme Court,Prov.
Date and port of arrival in U.S.
Sept. 26, 1893 New York, NY
Date of naturalizaiton
Sept. 5, 1899
Names and addresses of witnesses

My questions to this group are:
1) Is there still such a court in Providence Rhode
Island? and,
2) If there is, what is their address?
3) If no such place exists where can I try to
send a request to get a copy of the application for
naturalization ?
Thanks for your help,
Marshall Shapiro
searching EPSTEIN, SHAPIRO, KANOFSKY, and SATENSTEIN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Thanks ViewMate #1785 - LENCZNER, Liba, Birth Record (GLICKMAN) #general

desrx <desrx@...>
 

Thanks for the quick response. We had been looking for a Rywa (sp) as the
mother of Liba Lenczner, now it seems she was a Glickman so another new
surname for our list. Apparently Liba's brother David entered the US in
1911 going to an uncle ???? Glicksman(?) in Philadelphia on what appears
to be S. 2nd Street(?).

Thanks again - really makes a difference and it was sitting under my nose
for the past couple of Years.

Michael McTeer
29 Palms, CA
mcteer@mailandnews.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Marks & Spencer--the story comes round and round and closes the circle. #general

MBernet@...
 

a recent story:

<< . . . . . a very clever Jewish refugee in
>Manchester. Apparently he began by making shoes and trying to hawk them
>around by knocking on doors but found that people would turn him away.
>So he devised a clever plan. He knocked on the door and when it opened
>he simply threw the shoes in. Then went back for the shoes or the
>sale. The man was Mr Marks who later became one of the founders of
>Marks & Spencers in England >>

==and a few comments
1. Jews may have fled the Russian empire but they saw themselves as
immigrants, not as refugees, not basically different >from the Gentile
migrants who were also fleeing poverty, corruption and distress. The
Jewish identification of immigraants as refugees generally dates only
since the 1930s
2. A man who made a product might sell them >from a store, but if he had
the skills to make the product he's be wasting his energy hawking them on
the street or door to door--there were always enough desperate people to
do the selling for a pittance.
3. Michael Marks, father of the cofounder of Marks and Spencer, settled
in England in 1882 and conducted his business >from a cart. He was not a
shoemaker, and not a hawker but a street vendor. In 1884 he opened a
market stall in Leeds which he later expanded into a chain of "Penny
Bazaars"--the first, as I recall was at the Hood Street Market in
Newcastle upon Tyne (the largest Marks and Spencer to this day is also in
Newcastle) and the chain branched out, first through the Midlands, then
through all of England
4. (Lord) Simon Marks was born in Manchester in 1888 (I have no idea why
there and not in Leeds). His business partner was (Lord) Israel Moses
Sieff.
It was a close-knit family: Marks married Sieff's sister and Sieff
married Marks's sister, quite a common practice among Jews at that time.
By linking two large extended families, they were able to keep their many
stores under tight family direction and offer employment to other
immigrant Jews. I have no idea who Spencer was. An early partner who
sold out? A name taken by Sieff for business purposes because it sounded
less Jewish?
5. It would be rash for anyone to throw something into a stranger's house
and then hope to come back in the hope of either retrieving it or getting
paid for it. Shoes above all, which were expensive to buy, and which
needed a purchaser who had the right sized foot, had a specific taste in
the style, was in need of new shoes that day, and had enough money at hand
to pay for them.

As Leora Claff wisely explained: "it came in with Dad's childhood
stories.
Dad was using it as a teaching story of what is possible - so it's
probably a case of Chinese whispers. It may even be an urban myth."

==I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it's based on one of Aesops
fables--or even antedates it. It's a great story that teaches us that if
the common way doesn't work for us we should take the unconventional
route.
That's a lesson, I guess, that was very important for the economic
survival of our ancestors.

==And there's a lesson there for genealogists: not everything you hear in
the recounting of family history is necessarily true--nor does it
necesssarily originate with Aesop. It may simply be a Bobbe Mayseh
(which, incidentally, had nothing to do with your grandmother's stories,
but was originally a Yiddish book, the translation of an Italian
book "Buovo d'Antona" which was the Italian version of the English "Sir
Bevis of Hampton". I don't know the connection between Sir Bevis of
Hampton and the great Sephardi synagogue in London known as Bevis Marks,
but I'm sure Bevis Marks wasn't named after Michael Marks, an Ashkenazi
peddler >from Leeds who refused to throw shoes into people's homes).

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@aol.com>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina);
BERNET, BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need an obituary lookup for LA #general

Howard Zakai
 

Los Angeles Genners,

Would anyone be able to do an obituary lookup in the Los Angeles Times for
March 3rd and 4th of 1998??

I am looking for Abe KURZIUS, who died, according to the SSDI, at age 85
on Feb 28, 1998 in North Hollywood, 91606.

I am at the last straws of finding my cousin Martin, and I must resort to
collateral research. I would appreciate any kind of help and I can
return the favor with some research in New York City.

Thank you in advance.

Howie Zakai
Staten Island, NY


Abstract of GenAmi September 2002 #general

Association GenAmi <asso.genami@...>
 

In Issue 21 (September 2002) of GenAmi, you can read :

- GenAmi meetings
On Oct. 3rd Alsace and Lorraine,
How it is possible to go further, with Jean-Claude Herelle-Carcassone
On Nov. 21st, Italy with Lionel Levy and Marc Margarit

- Exhibition of genealogy in Paris on 13, 14, 15 December
Participation of GenAmi
Map of the Exhibition

- New publications of GenAmi :
1. Jews >from Switzerland in the Belgian file
2. Jews of Courland and Lituania in the Belgian file
3. Some more lists of 1808 and other files

- A story of Jews in Italy by Lionel LEVY
an abstract very well done

- The popes and the Jews by Gerard SILVAIN
Such a synthesis had never been done before

- Genealogical research in Italy,
by Micheline GUTMANN and Francine PALLARD
a list of the privcipal sources in France and everywhere.


- The Italians members of the Grand Sanhedrin
by Micheline GUTMANN

- At Singapore : a very nice pledge, a short history of the Jews,
by Pascale HUMMEL who is living there for a while

- Acquisitions
CD-Rom of naturalisations (1900-1950)
CD-Rom of the Encyclopedia Judaïca
- books : Qu'est-ce qu'un Français ?
an history of French naturalisations by Patrick Weil
- Documents of the REJ (revue d'etudes juives) >from (A.I.U.)

- Reviews of genealogy
- Short news
- Questions and answers

GenAmi reviews may be obtained by annual subspcrition.
See our web site.

Micheline GUTMANN, GenAmi, Paris, France
asso.genami@free.fr
http://asso.genami.free.fr


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Abstract of GenAmi September 2002 #general

Association GenAmi <asso.genami@...>
 

In Issue 21 (September 2002) of GenAmi, you can read :

- GenAmi meetings
On Oct. 3rd Alsace and Lorraine,
How it is possible to go further, with Jean-Claude Herelle-Carcassone
On Nov. 21st, Italy with Lionel Levy and Marc Margarit

- Exhibition of genealogy in Paris on 13, 14, 15 December
Participation of GenAmi
Map of the Exhibition

- New publications of GenAmi :
1. Jews >from Switzerland in the Belgian file
2. Jews of Courland and Lituania in the Belgian file
3. Some more lists of 1808 and other files

- A story of Jews in Italy by Lionel LEVY
an abstract very well done

- The popes and the Jews by Gerard SILVAIN
Such a synthesis had never been done before

- Genealogical research in Italy,
by Micheline GUTMANN and Francine PALLARD
a list of the privcipal sources in France and everywhere.


- The Italians members of the Grand Sanhedrin
by Micheline GUTMANN

- At Singapore : a very nice pledge, a short history of the Jews,
by Pascale HUMMEL who is living there for a while

- Acquisitions
CD-Rom of naturalisations (1900-1950)
CD-Rom of the Encyclopedia Judaïca
- books : Qu'est-ce qu'un Français ?
an history of French naturalisations by Patrick Weil
- Documents of the REJ (revue d'etudes juives) >from (A.I.U.)

- Reviews of genealogy
- Short news
- Questions and answers

GenAmi reviews may be obtained by annual subspcrition.
See our web site.

Micheline GUTMANN, GenAmi, Paris, France
asso.genami@free.fr
http://asso.genami.free.fr


Report on Lodz Ghetto Workshop at USHMM #lodz #poland

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Fellow Lodz Area Researchers,

One of our members, Marvin Engel of the Washington, D. C. area, attended the
recent workshop on the Lodz ghetto, held at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial
Museum. Here is his summary of the two-hour public workshop, posted with his
permission. Many thanks to Marvin for being our "eyes and ears" at this event
and for taking the time to write a detailed summary.

Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Houston, Texas
seflaum@aol.com
--------------------------------------------------------
Workshop on the Lodz Ghetto, US Holocaust Memorial Museum
August 23, 2002

There were nine academic researchers on the dais who had met for two weeks
prior to the public session. The leader was Dr. Robert Moses Shapiro. The
two-hour public session gave each only a few minutes to summarize his/her
work, followed by a question period for the approximately 35 people in the
audience.

Among the matters touched on:

1) "Lodzher geto: a historishe un sotsyologishe shtudye" (Lodz Ghetto: A
Historical and Sociological Study), Isaiah Trunk's 1962 monograph on the Lodz

ghetto, is being translated into English.

2) Consideration of the disparate interests of the perpetrators and the
victims in reading the primary documents. The German documents dealt with
calories and other quantifiable measures, ignoring hunger, pain and
suffering. Many of these government documents are in poor physical condition,
decaying carbon copies, and require quick action for preservation. There was
a general statement that scanning would not be good enough because of the
poor condition of the documents. Conventional color photography was mentioned
as being more permanent than digital techniques, but nothing is actually off
the ground regarding preservation.

3) Evaluation of the food distribution system: collection, entitlement
(uneven distribution), quality, the effect of hunger (physical,
psychological, dehumanizing), using rations as a carrot or stick to stimulate
production.

4) Analysis of Grossman's photographs -- contradictory, hidden messages.
[Refer to: Grossman, Mendel. "With a Camera in the Ghetto." New York:
Schocken Books, 1972, 1977.]

5) The albums are also susceptible to multiple, contradictory levels of
interpretation.

6) The possibility of preserving and restoring the existing surviving
buildings and identifying their function in the ghetto. There was mention of
the recent discovery of the Umschlagplatz. What entity/organization would
take on the task of building
preservation? Private financing would be the most likely source, not
governmental. Nothing has really started. The few slides that were shown of
remaining remnants showed mainly decaying and boarded up buildings without
any identifying plaques or labels. The point was made that the current
residents in the areas abutting these buildings knew nothing about their
history. There are apartment buildings built on top of the Old Jewish
Cemetery. There are no current plans to tear down these buildings.

7) The entire Lodz ghetto chronicle is being translated into English and
other languages. [refer to: "The Chronicle of the Lodz Ghetto, 1941-1944,"
which is the abridged version edited by Lucjan Dobrzynski and published in
English in 1984.]

8) Specific differences between different ghettos. The Lodz ghetto
industries were commercially insured by the Germans.

9) There are vast archives of much variety. Testimony can be distorted
concerning both the Jewish leaders and the Germans.

10) Issue of when Rumkovsky and the rest of the ghetto leadership became
aware of the killing camps.

11) There was some dispute concerning the extent to which the Jews were
bilingual (Yiddish/Polish) in view of a general agreement that the Jewish
leaders spoke Polish among themselves.

It was stimulating regarding the work that still lies in the future, and
reassuring that there are competent people working on it.

Marvin Engel
engel@cpcug.org


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Report on Lodz Ghetto Workshop at USHMM #lodz #poland

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Fellow Lodz Area Researchers,

One of our members, Marvin Engel of the Washington, D. C. area, attended the
recent workshop on the Lodz ghetto, held at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial
Museum. Here is his summary of the two-hour public workshop, posted with his
permission. Many thanks to Marvin for being our "eyes and ears" at this event
and for taking the time to write a detailed summary.

Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Houston, Texas
seflaum@aol.com
--------------------------------------------------------
Workshop on the Lodz Ghetto, US Holocaust Memorial Museum
August 23, 2002

There were nine academic researchers on the dais who had met for two weeks
prior to the public session. The leader was Dr. Robert Moses Shapiro. The
two-hour public session gave each only a few minutes to summarize his/her
work, followed by a question period for the approximately 35 people in the
audience.

Among the matters touched on:

1) "Lodzher geto: a historishe un sotsyologishe shtudye" (Lodz Ghetto: A
Historical and Sociological Study), Isaiah Trunk's 1962 monograph on the Lodz

ghetto, is being translated into English.

2) Consideration of the disparate interests of the perpetrators and the
victims in reading the primary documents. The German documents dealt with
calories and other quantifiable measures, ignoring hunger, pain and
suffering. Many of these government documents are in poor physical condition,
decaying carbon copies, and require quick action for preservation. There was
a general statement that scanning would not be good enough because of the
poor condition of the documents. Conventional color photography was mentioned
as being more permanent than digital techniques, but nothing is actually off
the ground regarding preservation.

3) Evaluation of the food distribution system: collection, entitlement
(uneven distribution), quality, the effect of hunger (physical,
psychological, dehumanizing), using rations as a carrot or stick to stimulate
production.

4) Analysis of Grossman's photographs -- contradictory, hidden messages.
[Refer to: Grossman, Mendel. "With a Camera in the Ghetto." New York:
Schocken Books, 1972, 1977.]

5) The albums are also susceptible to multiple, contradictory levels of
interpretation.

6) The possibility of preserving and restoring the existing surviving
buildings and identifying their function in the ghetto. There was mention of
the recent discovery of the Umschlagplatz. What entity/organization would
take on the task of building
preservation? Private financing would be the most likely source, not
governmental. Nothing has really started. The few slides that were shown of
remaining remnants showed mainly decaying and boarded up buildings without
any identifying plaques or labels. The point was made that the current
residents in the areas abutting these buildings knew nothing about their
history. There are apartment buildings built on top of the Old Jewish
Cemetery. There are no current plans to tear down these buildings.

7) The entire Lodz ghetto chronicle is being translated into English and
other languages. [refer to: "The Chronicle of the Lodz Ghetto, 1941-1944,"
which is the abridged version edited by Lucjan Dobrzynski and published in
English in 1984.]

8) Specific differences between different ghettos. The Lodz ghetto
industries were commercially insured by the Germans.

9) There are vast archives of much variety. Testimony can be distorted
concerning both the Jewish leaders and the Germans.

10) Issue of when Rumkovsky and the rest of the ghetto leadership became
aware of the killing camps.

11) There was some dispute concerning the extent to which the Jews were
bilingual (Yiddish/Polish) in view of a general agreement that the Jewish
leaders spoke Polish among themselves.

It was stimulating regarding the work that still lies in the future, and
reassuring that there are competent people working on it.

Marvin Engel
engel@cpcug.org


JACOB DAVIS/DAVIDOVITCH 1920 #lithuania

danielle freedman <daniellefreedman640@...>
 

I am hoping that there is some wonderfully kind person out there >from the
BOSTON MA area who can help me.

My g grandfather went missing he left Liverpool between 1915 - 1922 and we
believe presumably he went to BOSTON MA. USA. (to family) aged between 35 -40. His name is YANKEL/JACOB/JACK/DAVIS/DAVIDOVITCH/DAVIDSON? He was born in Panavaeys Lithuania B:1881 and died unknown. He lived in Liverpool for 10 - 15 years married to my g grandmother AIDA ZAPOROWSKI who went in search of him with her children - my grandparents in the early 20's. There is evidence to support this on the Ellis Island Database.I have posted many many web sites in the hope someone might recognise
something both Jewish and none Jewish.

I am looking for a kind person >from BOSTON MA to help provide me with the
following:

1) a current telephone list of DAVIS/DAVIES >from the Boston area? (You never know his decendants may live there?).
2)Or someone to please put me in touch with any DAVIS/DAVIDOVITCH famlies
who may help?
3) Or someone to put me in touch with a rabbi who may know the community
well? for DAVIS connections.
4) Or someone to provide me with a starting point or refernce or census for the BOSTON area ?

Anything please, this is and has been a major missing link in our family for years.

Danielle Freedman
DAVIS/DAVIDOVITCH/ZAPOROWSKI/ELMAN/UMANER/CHOSSAID/HUSSAID/PASERSKY/MARKS

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danielle freedman <daniellefreedman640@...>
 

I am hoping that there is some wonderfully kind person out there >from the
BOSTON MA area who can help me.

My g grandfather went missing he left Liverpool between 1915 - 1922 and we
believe presumably he went to BOSTON MA. USA. (to family) aged between 35 -40. His name is YANKEL/JACOB/JACK/DAVIS/DAVIDOVITCH/DAVIDSON? He was born in Panavaeys Lithuania B:1881 and died unknown. He lived in Liverpool for 10 - 15 years married to my g grandmother AIDA ZAPOROWSKI who went in search of him with her children - my grandparents in the early 20's. There is evidence to support this on the Ellis Island Database.I have posted many many web sites in the hope someone might recognise
something both Jewish and none Jewish.

I am looking for a kind person >from BOSTON MA to help provide me with the
following:

1) a current telephone list of DAVIS/DAVIES >from the Boston area? (You never know his decendants may live there?).
2)Or someone to please put me in touch with any DAVIS/DAVIDOVITCH famlies
who may help?
3) Or someone to put me in touch with a rabbi who may know the community
well? for DAVIS connections.
4) Or someone to provide me with a starting point or refernce or census for the BOSTON area ?

Anything please, this is and has been a major missing link in our family for years.

Danielle Freedman
DAVIS/DAVIDOVITCH/ZAPOROWSKI/ELMAN/UMANER/CHOSSAID/HUSSAID/PASERSKY/MARKS

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