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indexed gravestones in Jewish cemetery of Chernivtsi (now Ukraine)? #galicia

Milton Koch
 

Does anyone have information about indexed stones/sites, family names,
etc. in this large cemetery?

I am searching for any/all Barbasch family members that may be buried
there, originating in Pidvolochysk.

There is no list, accordingly, in JOWBR.

Please advise, if this exists.

Thank you.

Milton Koch
Bethesda, MD, USA

BARBASCH - Pidvolochysk

MODERATOR NOTE: According to the JOWBR inventory at
https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/tree/CemList.htm,
JOWBR has photographs of 30,117 graves at the Zelena Street cemetery
in Chernivtsi (Czernowitz). Among them are five BARBASCH graves.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia indexed gravestones in Jewish cemetery of Chernivtsi (now Ukraine)? #galicia

Milton Koch
 

Does anyone have information about indexed stones/sites, family names,
etc. in this large cemetery?

I am searching for any/all Barbasch family members that may be buried
there, originating in Pidvolochysk.

There is no list, accordingly, in JOWBR.

Please advise, if this exists.

Thank you.

Milton Koch
Bethesda, MD, USA

BARBASCH - Pidvolochysk

MODERATOR NOTE: According to the JOWBR inventory at
https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/tree/CemList.htm,
JOWBR has photographs of 30,117 graves at the Zelena Street cemetery
in Chernivtsi (Czernowitz). Among them are five BARBASCH graves.


Cape death records #southafrica

A. M. Lenhoff <lenhoff@...>
 

Saul Issroff has provided the information that FamilySearch has added
additional indexed records to their collection of civil death records
from the Cape Province for the period >from 1895 to 1972. In addition to
searching by first and last name for those records that are indexed, all
of the 2.2 million images in this collection can be browsed.

The images are organized by year of death and then by municipality (or
district in some cases). These records come >from the National Archives
of South Africa and contain a considerable amount of information, such
as place of birth, intended place of burial, cause of death and
residence. Access is free at

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1779109

Bramie Lenhoff


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Cape death records #southafrica

A. M. Lenhoff <lenhoff@...>
 

Saul Issroff has provided the information that FamilySearch has added
additional indexed records to their collection of civil death records
from the Cape Province for the period >from 1895 to 1972. In addition to
searching by first and last name for those records that are indexed, all
of the 2.2 million images in this collection can be browsed.

The images are organized by year of death and then by municipality (or
district in some cases). These records come >from the National Archives
of South Africa and contain a considerable amount of information, such
as place of birth, intended place of burial, cause of death and
residence. Access is free at

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1779109

Bramie Lenhoff


ViewMate translation request - Yiddish #southafrica

Eli Rabinowitz
 

I've posted a Yiddish message on the back of a photo for which I need a
translation to English.

It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM61069

The photo is on:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM53227

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.

Eli Rabinowitz
Perth, Australia
eli@elirab.com


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica ViewMate translation request - Yiddish #southafrica

Eli Rabinowitz
 

I've posted a Yiddish message on the back of a photo for which I need a
translation to English.

It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM61069

The photo is on:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM53227

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.

Eli Rabinowitz
Perth, Australia
eli@elirab.com


IGRA's Immigration Databases for Aliyah Day #southafrica

Elena Bazes
 

Since 2011 the Israel Genealogy Research Association (IGRA) has been
building databases of which 15% deal with immigration to Eretz Israel.
This includes 152,169 listings.

IGRA has been working together with many archives and organizations to
enable genealogists to have access to these records via the IGRA
website.

In honor of Aliyah Day, October 27, 2017, IGRA is proud to present
The Immigration Collection:

Immigration before World War I

1) List of Immigrants 1882 Zichron Ya'akov

Immigration after World War I (1919)

1) The Ruslan -- One of the first ships to bring immigrants >from Russia
to Eretz Israel after WWI.

2) Zionist convicts >from the Soviet Union, 1924-1934 (>from the book
"Exiled to Palestine")

3) Farmers >from Galicia requesting Aliyah 1935

4) Marriage Certificates-British Mandate period (includes reference to
the country of origin)

5) Government publication of name changes -- British Mandate period
(includes reference to the country of origin)

6) Various immigrant lists

Immigration during World War II

1) Various immigrant lists and/or requesting immigration 1942

2) Book of Army Volunteers, members of the Histadrut in British Army
WWII (includes reference to the country of origin and year of
immigration)

Immigration after World War II

1) Swiss Aliyah requests 1948

2) Aliyah requests >from Hungary 1947 -- 1,210 youths

3) Aliyah candidates >from Hungary 1947 -- Approximately 34,000 adults

4) Various lists dealing with immigration and request for immigration

Illegal Immigration

1) Deportation of children on the S.S. Tiger Hill by the British 1939

2) Deportation of the S.S. Marsis by the British 2 July 1939

3) Illegal immigrants deported to Mauritius with Free State Danzig Passports

4) Refugees in Mauritius who considered themselves citizens of the
Free City of Danzig

5) Refugees in Mauritius who considered themselves Polish Nationals

6) Various illegal immigrant lists, including those at the Atlit
Detention Camp

7) Deportation of illegal immigrants on S. S. Partria by the British 1941

Immigration after the Founding of the State of Israel

1) Operation on Eagles Wings (Operation Magic Carpet) 50,000 Yemenite Jews

June 1949 - September 1950

2) Lists of South African Jewish immigrants 1976-1977

Before viewing the databases, please register for free on the IGRA website:

http://genealogy.org.il/

To view the databases, go to http://genealogy.org.il/AID/index.php

To view a slideshow, go to

https://www.slideshare.net/igra3/immigration-day-2017-81186155

Elena Biegel Bazes
IGRA Publicity Chairperson


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica IGRA's Immigration Databases for Aliyah Day #southafrica

Elena Bazes
 

Since 2011 the Israel Genealogy Research Association (IGRA) has been
building databases of which 15% deal with immigration to Eretz Israel.
This includes 152,169 listings.

IGRA has been working together with many archives and organizations to
enable genealogists to have access to these records via the IGRA
website.

In honor of Aliyah Day, October 27, 2017, IGRA is proud to present
The Immigration Collection:

Immigration before World War I

1) List of Immigrants 1882 Zichron Ya'akov

Immigration after World War I (1919)

1) The Ruslan -- One of the first ships to bring immigrants >from Russia
to Eretz Israel after WWI.

2) Zionist convicts >from the Soviet Union, 1924-1934 (>from the book
"Exiled to Palestine")

3) Farmers >from Galicia requesting Aliyah 1935

4) Marriage Certificates-British Mandate period (includes reference to
the country of origin)

5) Government publication of name changes -- British Mandate period
(includes reference to the country of origin)

6) Various immigrant lists

Immigration during World War II

1) Various immigrant lists and/or requesting immigration 1942

2) Book of Army Volunteers, members of the Histadrut in British Army
WWII (includes reference to the country of origin and year of
immigration)

Immigration after World War II

1) Swiss Aliyah requests 1948

2) Aliyah requests >from Hungary 1947 -- 1,210 youths

3) Aliyah candidates >from Hungary 1947 -- Approximately 34,000 adults

4) Various lists dealing with immigration and request for immigration

Illegal Immigration

1) Deportation of children on the S.S. Tiger Hill by the British 1939

2) Deportation of the S.S. Marsis by the British 2 July 1939

3) Illegal immigrants deported to Mauritius with Free State Danzig Passports

4) Refugees in Mauritius who considered themselves citizens of the
Free City of Danzig

5) Refugees in Mauritius who considered themselves Polish Nationals

6) Various illegal immigrant lists, including those at the Atlit
Detention Camp

7) Deportation of illegal immigrants on S. S. Partria by the British 1941

Immigration after the Founding of the State of Israel

1) Operation on Eagles Wings (Operation Magic Carpet) 50,000 Yemenite Jews

June 1949 - September 1950

2) Lists of South African Jewish immigrants 1976-1977

Before viewing the databases, please register for free on the IGRA website:

http://genealogy.org.il/

To view the databases, go to http://genealogy.org.il/AID/index.php

To view a slideshow, go to

https://www.slideshare.net/igra3/immigration-day-2017-81186155

Elena Biegel Bazes
IGRA Publicity Chairperson


(Dominican Republic) Sosua, Dominican Republic Offered Jews Safety from Nazis #germany

Jan Meisels Allen
 

A Dominican village, Sosua, became home to Jewish refugees during World War
ll. Rafael Trujillo offered Jews safety >from the Nazi terror in Europe for a
promise to develop the land. The American Jewish Joint Distribution
Committee (JDC) founded the Dominican Republic Settlement Association
(DORSA). The Association gave the refugees land, and animals to work the
land, including cows, horses and mules. 1938 Trujillo offered to take up to
100,000 refugees but with the outbreak of World War ll and the Nazi ban on
Jewish emigration only 4,000 visas were issued. The refugees founded a
small Jewish museum next to the town synagogue. The museum has photographs,
Interviews of leaving refugees and other documents of historical interest,
however, none of the items are digitized.

The Washington Post published a story of one of the descendants of the
refugees to Sosua and what she learned. The article may be read at:
http://tinyurl.com/ycddnefl
Original url:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/i-thought-i-knew-how-my-famil
y-escaped-the-holocaust-the-truth-was-hidden-in-a-dominican-town/2017/10/16/
a1aaff78-8743-11e7-a50f-e0d4e6ec070a_story.html

The Sosua Virtual Museum website is located at: http://www.sosuamuseum.org/.
The website has information on the history of Sosua, photographs of the
cemetery, information about the settlers and more.

Another website has information about the Jewish Museum (not virtual museum)
has more photographs and background information. The Museum includes the
1940 agreement between Trujillo and DORSA. See;
http://www.sosua-villas.com/jewish-museum/

The JDC website has information on the Sosua immigrants which can be
searched at http://archives.jdc.org/search-the-archives/

Jan Meisels Allen,
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


LOWENSTEIN -- translation request #germany

Larry <lawfrank@...>
 

Hello --

I recently posted a document on Viewmate that I think MAY be the
marriage record of g-g-g uncle Heinemann LOWENSTEIN. I Would appreciate
a full translation, but especially any genealogical info, e.g., parents'
names.
https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=60969

Please respond either on Viewmate, or direct to the email address below.

Thanks in advance. Larry Frankel, Silver Spring MD lawfrank@aol.com
< ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >
Please thank those who help you and support ViewMate, JewishGen
and GerSIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/Honors/
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/honors.asp


looking for information on Regina HERZ GUMPERTZ #germany

Lin <lin2@...>
 

Dear GerSIGers,
I am trying to find further information on my 3x great grandparents’
daughter, Regina GUMPERTZ, geb. HERZ and her descendants.. I found the
existence of Regina in George Stockschlaeder’s website a couple
of years ago. She was supposedly born in 1804 according to
Stockschlaeder and I found a tad of further or confirming info in
familienbuch euregio. According to this website, she was born in 1804 in
Nuembrecht. (She was the child of Herz BAER and Adelheid/ Adeline LEYSER
my 3x great grandparents.{ Note: BAER is a patronymic. I’m not
sure if we’re supposed to capitalize patronymics). She married
Simon GUMPERTZ >from Deutz, Cologne in 1833 or 34. He was a tradesman.
She moved to Deutz after the marriage. Please note that Deutz is the
correct spelling of the town, which is in Cologne.

Perhaps someone here is related to her, her descendants, or can give me
some suggestions.

Regina and Simon had 5 children:
a) Hirsch Hermann GUMPERTZ - born 1826 in Deutz
b) Israel GUMPERTZ - b, 1828 in Deutz d. 1916 in Oberthausten m.
someone named Netta
c) Bernhard GUMPERTZ - b. 1830 in Deutz, d. 1857 in Bonn, m. 13 Feb 1856
to Regina/Rosina Jonas
d) Philipp GUMPERTZ - b. 1832 in Deutz

My great-great-great grandparents, Herz BAER and Adelheid LEYSER had 2
children I know of for sure. My 2x great grandfather Salomon HERZ and
his brother Jakob HERZ. A relative of Jakob’s found our family
in 2011. He had done extensive research in Germany, and did not find any
evidence of a third sibling (Regina.) I don’t know how reliable
the Stockschlaeder website is. I have found some mistakes on it.

Thanks so much. Have a great week, Lin Herz Palm Bay, Florida lin2@cfl.rr.com


Dear GerSIGers,
I am trying to find further information on my 3x great grandparents=E2=80=99=
daughter, Regina GUMPERTZ, geb. HERZ and her descendants.. I found the =
existence of Regina in George Stockschlaeder=E2=80=99s website a couple =
of years ago. She was supposedly born in 1804 according to =
Stockschlaeder and I found a tad of further or confirming info in =
familienbuch euregio. According to this website, she was born in 1804 in =
Nuembrecht. (She was the child of Herz BAER and Adelheid/ Adeline LEYSER =
my 3x great grandparents.{ Note: BAER is a patronymic. I=E2=80=99m not =
sure if we=E2=80=99re supposed to capitalize patronymics). She married =
Simon GUMPERTZ >from Deutz, Cologne in 1833 or 34. He was a tradesman. =
She moved to Deutz after the marriage. Please note that Deutz is the =
correct spelling of the town, which is in Cologne.=20

Perhaps someone here is related to her, her descendants, or can give me =
some suggestions.



Regina and Simon had 5 children:
a) Hirsch Hermann GUMPERTZ - born 1826 in Deutz
b) Israel GUMPERTZ - b, 1828 in Deutz d. 1916 in Oberthausten m. =
someone named Netta=20
c) Bernhard GUMPERTZ - b. 1830 in Deutz, d. 1857 in Bonn, m. 13 Feb 1856 =
to Regina/Rosina Jonas
d) Philipp GUMPERTZ - b. 1832 in Deutz

My great-great-great grandparents, Herz BAER and Adelheid LEYSER had 2 =
children I know of for sure. My 2x great grandfather Salomon HERZ and =
his brother Jakob HERZ. A relative of Jakob=E2=80=99s found our family =
in 2011. He had done extensive research in Germany, and did not find any =
evidence of a third sibling (Regina.) I don=E2=80=99t know how reliable =
the Stockschlaeder website is. I have found some mistakes on it.

Thanks so much. Have a great week,

Lin Herz
Palm Bay, Florida


German SIG #Germany (Dominican Republic) Sosua, Dominican Republic Offered Jews Safety from Nazis #germany

Jan Meisels Allen
 

A Dominican village, Sosua, became home to Jewish refugees during World War
ll. Rafael Trujillo offered Jews safety >from the Nazi terror in Europe for a
promise to develop the land. The American Jewish Joint Distribution
Committee (JDC) founded the Dominican Republic Settlement Association
(DORSA). The Association gave the refugees land, and animals to work the
land, including cows, horses and mules. 1938 Trujillo offered to take up to
100,000 refugees but with the outbreak of World War ll and the Nazi ban on
Jewish emigration only 4,000 visas were issued. The refugees founded a
small Jewish museum next to the town synagogue. The museum has photographs,
Interviews of leaving refugees and other documents of historical interest,
however, none of the items are digitized.

The Washington Post published a story of one of the descendants of the
refugees to Sosua and what she learned. The article may be read at:
http://tinyurl.com/ycddnefl
Original url:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/i-thought-i-knew-how-my-famil
y-escaped-the-holocaust-the-truth-was-hidden-in-a-dominican-town/2017/10/16/
a1aaff78-8743-11e7-a50f-e0d4e6ec070a_story.html

The Sosua Virtual Museum website is located at: http://www.sosuamuseum.org/.
The website has information on the history of Sosua, photographs of the
cemetery, information about the settlers and more.

Another website has information about the Jewish Museum (not virtual museum)
has more photographs and background information. The Museum includes the
1940 agreement between Trujillo and DORSA. See;
http://www.sosua-villas.com/jewish-museum/

The JDC website has information on the Sosua immigrants which can be
searched at http://archives.jdc.org/search-the-archives/

Jan Meisels Allen,
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


German SIG #Germany LOWENSTEIN -- translation request #germany

Larry <lawfrank@...>
 

Hello --

I recently posted a document on Viewmate that I think MAY be the
marriage record of g-g-g uncle Heinemann LOWENSTEIN. I Would appreciate
a full translation, but especially any genealogical info, e.g., parents'
names.
https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=60969

Please respond either on Viewmate, or direct to the email address below.

Thanks in advance. Larry Frankel, Silver Spring MD lawfrank@aol.com
< ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >
Please thank those who help you and support ViewMate, JewishGen
and GerSIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/Honors/
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/honors.asp


German SIG #Germany looking for information on Regina HERZ GUMPERTZ #germany

Lin <lin2@...>
 

Dear GerSIGers,
I am trying to find further information on my 3x great grandparents’
daughter, Regina GUMPERTZ, geb. HERZ and her descendants.. I found the
existence of Regina in George Stockschlaeder’s website a couple
of years ago. She was supposedly born in 1804 according to
Stockschlaeder and I found a tad of further or confirming info in
familienbuch euregio. According to this website, she was born in 1804 in
Nuembrecht. (She was the child of Herz BAER and Adelheid/ Adeline LEYSER
my 3x great grandparents.{ Note: BAER is a patronymic. I’m not
sure if we’re supposed to capitalize patronymics). She married
Simon GUMPERTZ >from Deutz, Cologne in 1833 or 34. He was a tradesman.
She moved to Deutz after the marriage. Please note that Deutz is the
correct spelling of the town, which is in Cologne.

Perhaps someone here is related to her, her descendants, or can give me
some suggestions.

Regina and Simon had 5 children:
a) Hirsch Hermann GUMPERTZ - born 1826 in Deutz
b) Israel GUMPERTZ - b, 1828 in Deutz d. 1916 in Oberthausten m.
someone named Netta
c) Bernhard GUMPERTZ - b. 1830 in Deutz, d. 1857 in Bonn, m. 13 Feb 1856
to Regina/Rosina Jonas
d) Philipp GUMPERTZ - b. 1832 in Deutz

My great-great-great grandparents, Herz BAER and Adelheid LEYSER had 2
children I know of for sure. My 2x great grandfather Salomon HERZ and
his brother Jakob HERZ. A relative of Jakob’s found our family
in 2011. He had done extensive research in Germany, and did not find any
evidence of a third sibling (Regina.) I don’t know how reliable
the Stockschlaeder website is. I have found some mistakes on it.

Thanks so much. Have a great week, Lin Herz Palm Bay, Florida lin2@cfl.rr.com


Dear GerSIGers,
I am trying to find further information on my 3x great grandparents=E2=80=99=
daughter, Regina GUMPERTZ, geb. HERZ and her descendants.. I found the =
existence of Regina in George Stockschlaeder=E2=80=99s website a couple =
of years ago. She was supposedly born in 1804 according to =
Stockschlaeder and I found a tad of further or confirming info in =
familienbuch euregio. According to this website, she was born in 1804 in =
Nuembrecht. (She was the child of Herz BAER and Adelheid/ Adeline LEYSER =
my 3x great grandparents.{ Note: BAER is a patronymic. I=E2=80=99m not =
sure if we=E2=80=99re supposed to capitalize patronymics). She married =
Simon GUMPERTZ >from Deutz, Cologne in 1833 or 34. He was a tradesman. =
She moved to Deutz after the marriage. Please note that Deutz is the =
correct spelling of the town, which is in Cologne.=20

Perhaps someone here is related to her, her descendants, or can give me =
some suggestions.



Regina and Simon had 5 children:
a) Hirsch Hermann GUMPERTZ - born 1826 in Deutz
b) Israel GUMPERTZ - b, 1828 in Deutz d. 1916 in Oberthausten m. =
someone named Netta=20
c) Bernhard GUMPERTZ - b. 1830 in Deutz, d. 1857 in Bonn, m. 13 Feb 1856 =
to Regina/Rosina Jonas
d) Philipp GUMPERTZ - b. 1832 in Deutz

My great-great-great grandparents, Herz BAER and Adelheid LEYSER had 2 =
children I know of for sure. My 2x great grandfather Salomon HERZ and =
his brother Jakob HERZ. A relative of Jakob=E2=80=99s found our family =
in 2011. He had done extensive research in Germany, and did not find any =
evidence of a third sibling (Regina.) I don=E2=80=99t know how reliable =
the Stockschlaeder website is. I have found some mistakes on it.

Thanks so much. Have a great week,

Lin Herz
Palm Bay, Florida


INTRO and ** project **: butchers in Hamburg and Altona #germany

C. Fernandez <cemfernandez@...>
 

Hello,

I am not sure if I had sent an introduction earlier.

My name is Carmen Fernandez, born, raised and living in Hamburg,
Germany. Native German speaker and good at reading old German
handwritings. I am a member of the Jewish Genealogical Society of
Hamburg HGJG.

Considering myself advanced in researching German Jewish Genealogy and
with computers, my research is often focused on Altona and Hamburg but
I have links to anywhere else as well.

Since some of my ancestors were Jewish butchers and meat merchants, I
have currently started a project aiming to document all butchers/meat
merchants in Altona and Hamburg, starting with the first names in 1712
(source: Ratsdekret 08 Dec 1712)

You are very welcome to share information with me in case you have
Hamburg and/or Altona butchers >from any time, thank you very much.

Kindest, Carmen Fernandez, Hamburg, Germany cemfernandez@gmail.com


German SIG #Germany INTRO and ** project **: butchers in Hamburg and Altona #germany

C. Fernandez <cemfernandez@...>
 

Hello,

I am not sure if I had sent an introduction earlier.

My name is Carmen Fernandez, born, raised and living in Hamburg,
Germany. Native German speaker and good at reading old German
handwritings. I am a member of the Jewish Genealogical Society of
Hamburg HGJG.

Considering myself advanced in researching German Jewish Genealogy and
with computers, my research is often focused on Altona and Hamburg but
I have links to anywhere else as well.

Since some of my ancestors were Jewish butchers and meat merchants, I
have currently started a project aiming to document all butchers/meat
merchants in Altona and Hamburg, starting with the first names in 1712
(source: Ratsdekret 08 Dec 1712)

You are very welcome to share information with me in case you have
Hamburg and/or Altona butchers >from any time, thank you very much.

Kindest, Carmen Fernandez, Hamburg, Germany cemfernandez@gmail.com


Moshe Leib STEINBERG, descendant of the Turei Zahav #general

David Zoldan
 

I have had great success thanks to the generous people who read this forum,
so I will ask another question

My ancestor is R. Moshe Yehuda (Leib) STEINBERG. He is a direct descendant
ben achar ben >from R. David HaLevi SEGAL known as the Turei Zahav.

He may have lived and passed away in Hukliva, Studena, Izky, or Pylypetz.
These suggestions are based on where many of his descendants settled.

My problem is that Moshe Leib has at least one grandson who was born in his
lifetime who was given the same name as him, at least in part. His grandson
was called Moshe Shmuel. Obviously this observation was surprising for me
considering the custom in the Ashkenazi communities to name only after the
dead. Even if Moshe Shmuel were named after a different grandfather or
given a different name altogether for a different reason, usually the custom
was to avoid using the name "Moshe" at all since the grandfather Moshe Leib
was living.

In other words, it was suggested to me that the grandson Moshe Shmuel may
have been named after a different grandfather also called Moshe Shmuel,
while his other grandfather Moshe Yehuda (Leib) was living. That sounds
like a possibility to me but I haven't heard of cases where this was done.

Obviously I don't intend to have a discussion regarding jewish custom
except perhaps as it pertains directly to my question.

My question is: Can anybody share with me similar stories where a living
grandparents name was used in naming an ashkenazi grandchild. I would
especially like to hear confirmed cases but would be happy to receive any
info or ideas. In those cases where the grandparents name was used to name
a baby what was the reason for giving the name while the grandparent was alive.

I have considered the possibility that my data could be off and really Moshe
Leib had passed away before Moshe Shmuel was born, but I don't think it's
possible at all. Moshe Leib had at least 1 child born a few years after
Moshe Shmuel was born.

I am happy to hear any suggestions specific to my question and / or general
suggestions

Thank you all,

Avraham David ZOLDAN
Researcher 382214
Researching in the Carpathians: ZOLDAN, STEINBERG, WEISSBERGER, SHLEZINGER,
MEYER,SOLOMON, HOFFMAN, others
Researching in Poland/Galicia: BIENENFELD, SOVA, ROSENKNOPF, EINBINDER,
CZESNA, TYK, others


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Moshe Leib STEINBERG, descendant of the Turei Zahav #general

David Zoldan
 

I have had great success thanks to the generous people who read this forum,
so I will ask another question

My ancestor is R. Moshe Yehuda (Leib) STEINBERG. He is a direct descendant
ben achar ben >from R. David HaLevi SEGAL known as the Turei Zahav.

He may have lived and passed away in Hukliva, Studena, Izky, or Pylypetz.
These suggestions are based on where many of his descendants settled.

My problem is that Moshe Leib has at least one grandson who was born in his
lifetime who was given the same name as him, at least in part. His grandson
was called Moshe Shmuel. Obviously this observation was surprising for me
considering the custom in the Ashkenazi communities to name only after the
dead. Even if Moshe Shmuel were named after a different grandfather or
given a different name altogether for a different reason, usually the custom
was to avoid using the name "Moshe" at all since the grandfather Moshe Leib
was living.

In other words, it was suggested to me that the grandson Moshe Shmuel may
have been named after a different grandfather also called Moshe Shmuel,
while his other grandfather Moshe Yehuda (Leib) was living. That sounds
like a possibility to me but I haven't heard of cases where this was done.

Obviously I don't intend to have a discussion regarding jewish custom
except perhaps as it pertains directly to my question.

My question is: Can anybody share with me similar stories where a living
grandparents name was used in naming an ashkenazi grandchild. I would
especially like to hear confirmed cases but would be happy to receive any
info or ideas. In those cases where the grandparents name was used to name
a baby what was the reason for giving the name while the grandparent was alive.

I have considered the possibility that my data could be off and really Moshe
Leib had passed away before Moshe Shmuel was born, but I don't think it's
possible at all. Moshe Leib had at least 1 child born a few years after
Moshe Shmuel was born.

I am happy to hear any suggestions specific to my question and / or general
suggestions

Thank you all,

Avraham David ZOLDAN
Researcher 382214
Researching in the Carpathians: ZOLDAN, STEINBERG, WEISSBERGER, SHLEZINGER,
MEYER,SOLOMON, HOFFMAN, others
Researching in Poland/Galicia: BIENENFELD, SOVA, ROSENKNOPF, EINBINDER,
CZESNA, TYK, others


Re: My tree is on JewishGen ! #lodz #poland

Jane Frankel <fidservant@...>
 

I just had to tell someone. I am so excited. My 1100-plus person
family tree >from Ancestry is now on JewishGen in the Family Finder
section. I'm alone, and have not been able to generate much interest
from my immediate family on the tree. I was so worried that all my
work would be hidden forever. No worries now!

from the Lodz area: FRANKEL GRZYBOWSKI WOLSTEIN POZNANSKI GOTTLIEB
I hope I'll find more cousins!

Jane Frankel


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Re: My tree is on JewishGen ! #lodz #poland

Jane Frankel <fidservant@...>
 

I just had to tell someone. I am so excited. My 1100-plus person
family tree >from Ancestry is now on JewishGen in the Family Finder
section. I'm alone, and have not been able to generate much interest
from my immediate family on the tree. I was so worried that all my
work would be hidden forever. No worries now!

from the Lodz area: FRANKEL GRZYBOWSKI WOLSTEIN POZNANSKI GOTTLIEB
I hope I'll find more cousins!

Jane Frankel

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