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port of arrival from Cuba #general

John Hoenig
 

Concerning the port of entry for passengers >from Cuba in 1920-21:

Someone mentioned Key West and Galveston. My grandparents were "stuck" in
Cuba >from 1938-1940 waiting for permission to immigrate to theh US. >from
their naturalization papers I found out they entered the US at Miami. I
contacted NARA by email and they told me the Miami arrivals had recently
been transferred to NARA. They looked up my grandparents and sent me the
manifest. It was incredibly quick and painless.

Quotas were quirky. My mother got her permission to immigrate in Havana
immediately; her sister arrived two months later in Havana and had to wait
a year and a half because the quota had filled.

John Hoenig
Williamsburg, VA
Re: Subject: U.S. Ports of immigration most likely from Cuba #general

s_wiener@...
 

Ron and other Genners,

New Orleans was a major point of entry, but just from
my brief EIDB work yesterday, I see that ships from
Bermuda, Cuba and other Carribean ports came to NYC
frequently.

As far as I know there is no on-line index of the
other US ports.

Good luck,
Shellie Wiener
San Francisco, CA

< I'm unable, try as I may, to find 2 of my gf's
brothers on EIDB.

The story goes that there were quotas in the early
1920s and these guys left Russia and spent a year or
so in Cuba before the quotas relaxed and they could
continue on to the US, and New York... Be that as it
may, can anyone guesstimate what US port(s) would be
the most likely to search for their arrival >from Cuba
in 1921/1922,and are they indexed?

Thanks,

Ron Goldman, FL.
preshtek@...>
Meaning of BERLOWITZ--BERLFEIN? #general

Paul and Cathy <berlbean@...>
 

The discussion on the meaning of Berlowitz made me wonder if anyone has
thoughts on the meaning or origin of
BERLFEIN?


Cathy Berlfein
Dallas, TX

BERLFEIN, KESSLER, JACUBOWICZ, HAGLER (Staryy Sambor, Galicia, NewYorkCity)
CHLEBOWSKI changed to LEBOSS (New York City)
CHLEBOWSKY, BOSS, (Frankfurt, New York City)
BOWOS- (Frankfurt)
LEBOSS-(New York City)
SCHLEIMER and SAMONY, SAMUNY, SIMONE (Danzig/Gdansk)
ZABLODOWSKY Family #general

LENTHELMA@...
 

Would like to contact anyone who has information regarding the
prestigious ZABLODOWSKY of Bialystok
Thelma Fletcher, West Palm Beach
lenthelma@...
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen port of arrival from Cuba #general

John Hoenig
 

Concerning the port of entry for passengers >from Cuba in 1920-21:

Someone mentioned Key West and Galveston. My grandparents were "stuck" in
Cuba >from 1938-1940 waiting for permission to immigrate to theh US. >from
their naturalization papers I found out they entered the US at Miami. I
contacted NARA by email and they told me the Miami arrivals had recently
been transferred to NARA. They looked up my grandparents and sent me the
manifest. It was incredibly quick and painless.

Quotas were quirky. My mother got her permission to immigrate in Havana
immediately; her sister arrived two months later in Havana and had to wait
a year and a half because the quota had filled.

John Hoenig
Williamsburg, VA
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Subject: U.S. Ports of immigration most likely from Cuba #general

s_wiener@...
 

Ron and other Genners,

New Orleans was a major point of entry, but just from
my brief EIDB work yesterday, I see that ships from
Bermuda, Cuba and other Carribean ports came to NYC
frequently.

As far as I know there is no on-line index of the
other US ports.

Good luck,
Shellie Wiener
San Francisco, CA

< I'm unable, try as I may, to find 2 of my gf's
brothers on EIDB.

The story goes that there were quotas in the early
1920s and these guys left Russia and spent a year or
so in Cuba before the quotas relaxed and they could
continue on to the US, and New York... Be that as it
may, can anyone guesstimate what US port(s) would be
the most likely to search for their arrival >from Cuba
in 1921/1922,and are they indexed?

Thanks,

Ron Goldman, FL.
preshtek@...>
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Meaning of BERLOWITZ--BERLFEIN? #general

Paul and Cathy <berlbean@...>
 

The discussion on the meaning of Berlowitz made me wonder if anyone has
thoughts on the meaning or origin of
BERLFEIN?


Cathy Berlfein
Dallas, TX

BERLFEIN, KESSLER, JACUBOWICZ, HAGLER (Staryy Sambor, Galicia, NewYorkCity)
CHLEBOWSKI changed to LEBOSS (New York City)
CHLEBOWSKY, BOSS, (Frankfurt, New York City)
BOWOS- (Frankfurt)
LEBOSS-(New York City)
SCHLEIMER and SAMONY, SAMUNY, SIMONE (Danzig/Gdansk)
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ZABLODOWSKY Family #general

LENTHELMA@...
 

Would like to contact anyone who has information regarding the
prestigious ZABLODOWSKY of Bialystok
Thelma Fletcher, West Palm Beach
lenthelma@...
Re: Help with EIDB #general

Don Solomon
 

Barry,

No system is foolproof. If your relatives are on a missing manifest,
they won't be indexed. I found that to be true with one person whose
arrival I documented through naturalization records, but who doesn't
appear on the index. If you can locate a naturalization record it
will often give the ship, the port and the date of arrival.

There is always the possibility that they didn't go through Ellis
Island at all.

Finally, it may be a disadvantage to have too much data when
searching the EIDB. If the names were not correctly read by the
indexing volunteer, they will be misspelled in the index; or if there
was a variant spelling of the name. your search might not find it.

For example, your Shapiro might have been spelled Schapiro, or
Szapira in Polish. A wide-open search on names beginning with
"Szapir" (and using a ten-year span for the birth and arrival)
yielded one promising candidate: A David SZAPIRA born in "Saslaw" (a
common spelling of Zaslav in the EIDB) who arrived on the Carpathia
January 7, 1905, aged 23. Is it your grandfather? I don't know, but
you'd never find him searching for exactly the information you
possess.

Best regards!


At 12:00 AM -0600 1/10/03, Barry Sieger wrote:

I would appreciate any help or advice anyone can give me with the EIDB.
... My grandparents were Harry and Edith SHAPIRO.
Don Solomon <dsolomon@...>
Boston, MA USA
Searching: NIMOY, DRUTIN, KATZ (Izyaslav, Volhynia Gub., Ukr.)
SOLOMON, JOSEPH, CAHANE, SEGAL (Iasi, Rom.)
Re: U.S. Ports of immigration most likely from Cuba #general

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

I am writing in reply to two messages, quoted below.

There is a wonderful (and little-known) list showing arrivals to Florida,
Georgia, Alabama, and South Carolina, for 1890-1924. Allen County Public
Library has it (Fort Wayne, Indiana USA; 219-421-1200;
http://www.acpl.lib.in.us/). On these microfilms, I found 5 different
crossings for my ALHADEF family. All of this material is on a collection of
under 10 microfilms.


Dan
...
Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
Springfield, Ohio USA
http://www.kazez.com/~dan/kazez-cazes.html
http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dkazez/fam/Talman.html
http://www.kazez.com/~dan/fresco-fresko.html

Subject: Re: U.S. Ports of immigration most likely >from Cuba
From: "Joan Parker" <housemom@...>
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 16:52:16 -0500
X-Message-Number: 20

Try Key West, Fl and Galveston, TX. I don't know if they are indexed,
probably not.
The story goes that there were quotas in the early 1920s and
these guys left Russia and spent a year or so in Cuba before the
quotas relaxed and they could continue on to the US, and New York.

Curiously, though, my gm's brother came over during the same time
period but 'was' able to get >from Warsaw directly to Ellis Island
without the Cuban interval, and gf's sister and family had no quota
problems getting >from Antwerp to NY in 1921 either.

Be that as it may, can anyone guesstimate what US port(s) would be
the most likely to search for their arrival >from Cuba in 1921/1922,
and are they indexed?
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re:Help with EIDB #general

Don Solomon
 

Barry,

No system is foolproof. If your relatives are on a missing manifest,
they won't be indexed. I found that to be true with one person whose
arrival I documented through naturalization records, but who doesn't
appear on the index. If you can locate a naturalization record it
will often give the ship, the port and the date of arrival.

There is always the possibility that they didn't go through Ellis
Island at all.

Finally, it may be a disadvantage to have too much data when
searching the EIDB. If the names were not correctly read by the
indexing volunteer, they will be misspelled in the index; or if there
was a variant spelling of the name. your search might not find it.

For example, your Shapiro might have been spelled Schapiro, or
Szapira in Polish. A wide-open search on names beginning with
"Szapir" (and using a ten-year span for the birth and arrival)
yielded one promising candidate: A David SZAPIRA born in "Saslaw" (a
common spelling of Zaslav in the EIDB) who arrived on the Carpathia
January 7, 1905, aged 23. Is it your grandfather? I don't know, but
you'd never find him searching for exactly the information you
possess.

Best regards!


At 12:00 AM -0600 1/10/03, Barry Sieger wrote:

I would appreciate any help or advice anyone can give me with the EIDB.
... My grandparents were Harry and Edith SHAPIRO.
Don Solomon <dsolomon@...>
Boston, MA USA
Searching: NIMOY, DRUTIN, KATZ (Izyaslav, Volhynia Gub., Ukr.)
SOLOMON, JOSEPH, CAHANE, SEGAL (Iasi, Rom.)
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: U.S. Ports of immigration most likely from Cuba #general

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

I am writing in reply to two messages, quoted below.

There is a wonderful (and little-known) list showing arrivals to Florida,
Georgia, Alabama, and South Carolina, for 1890-1924. Allen County Public
Library has it (Fort Wayne, Indiana USA; 219-421-1200;
http://www.acpl.lib.in.us/). On these microfilms, I found 5 different
crossings for my ALHADEF family. All of this material is on a collection of
under 10 microfilms.


Dan
...
Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
Springfield, Ohio USA
http://www.kazez.com/~dan/kazez-cazes.html
http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dkazez/fam/Talman.html
http://www.kazez.com/~dan/fresco-fresko.html

Subject: Re: U.S. Ports of immigration most likely >from Cuba
From: "Joan Parker" <housemom@...>
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 16:52:16 -0500
X-Message-Number: 20

Try Key West, Fl and Galveston, TX. I don't know if they are indexed,
probably not.
The story goes that there were quotas in the early 1920s and
these guys left Russia and spent a year or so in Cuba before the
quotas relaxed and they could continue on to the US, and New York.

Curiously, though, my gm's brother came over during the same time
period but 'was' able to get >from Warsaw directly to Ellis Island
without the Cuban interval, and gf's sister and family had no quota
problems getting >from Antwerp to NY in 1921 either.

Be that as it may, can anyone guesstimate what US port(s) would be
the most likely to search for their arrival >from Cuba in 1921/1922,
and are they indexed?
GELBFISH from Shadlitz (Siedlce) #poland

Ron Herrmann <ron_herrmann@...>
 

This is a message on behalf of distant relatives of
mine.

Anybody with GELBFISH in their family tree?

It's a relatively rare Jewish last-name (means "yellow
fish") so they are probably all related. My mother's
aunt (Sima REICHEBACH) married a GELBFISH. I know of 5
branches of the GELBFISH(s) in Israel and USA but we
can not seem to find how to connect them.

Also, fyi, the G in the MGM Company name (Metro
Goldwyn Mayers) is for Samuel GOLDWYN, aka Shmu'el
GELBFISH. We have no idea how he's related to all
those branches.

Ron (Ra'anan) Herrmann

Researching: ABELES, HERRMANN, REICHENBACH,
ROBITSCHEK, ROGOVIKAMIEN(ROGOWYKAMEN),
SONNENSHEIN(ZONSZAIN), SZPEKTOR(SPECTOR).

MODERATOR'S NOTE: It's likely that you and your cousins need to go back a few more generations and the answers may lie in the Siedlce records being indexed by JRI-Poland. As a qualifying contributor to the Siedlce PSA Indexing Project, you will be eligible to obtain an Excel file of the Siedlce indices to analyze and sort. Contact Siedlce Town Leader Linda Altman at <altmanlh@...> for more information
JRI Poland #Poland GELBFISH from Shadlitz (Siedlce) #poland

Ron Herrmann <ron_herrmann@...>
 

This is a message on behalf of distant relatives of
mine.

Anybody with GELBFISH in their family tree?

It's a relatively rare Jewish last-name (means "yellow
fish") so they are probably all related. My mother's
aunt (Sima REICHEBACH) married a GELBFISH. I know of 5
branches of the GELBFISH(s) in Israel and USA but we
can not seem to find how to connect them.

Also, fyi, the G in the MGM Company name (Metro
Goldwyn Mayers) is for Samuel GOLDWYN, aka Shmu'el
GELBFISH. We have no idea how he's related to all
those branches.

Ron (Ra'anan) Herrmann

Researching: ABELES, HERRMANN, REICHENBACH,
ROBITSCHEK, ROGOVIKAMIEN(ROGOWYKAMEN),
SONNENSHEIN(ZONSZAIN), SZPEKTOR(SPECTOR).

MODERATOR'S NOTE: It's likely that you and your cousins need to go back a few more generations and the answers may lie in the Siedlce records being indexed by JRI-Poland. As a qualifying contributor to the Siedlce PSA Indexing Project, you will be eligible to obtain an Excel file of the Siedlce indices to analyze and sort. Contact Siedlce Town Leader Linda Altman at <altmanlh@...> for more information
KAPLAN furniture store in Boston, 1940s/1950s #lithuania

Lois Finstein <lois.finstein2@...>
 

My family history on my father's side includes one of those weird *name
change* episodes (that so many of us have) in Lithuania sometime in the
1850s or later. Supposedly a young man with the surname KAPLANSKY was
paid to take the place of someone with the last name SHAVLANSKY (or
something similar) in the army. This was in Siauliai, or Shavel. The
story gets fuzzy, but it's more or less that the new Mr. SHAVLANSKY joined
the army but somehow managed to desert and survive. However, he kept his
new name and moved around, resettling in Sakiai (Shaki). It was probably
his son, years later, who immigrated to Boston in 1890. This was my pgf,
Joseph SAVALANSKY (later shortened to SAVAL).

Now fast forward to the 1940s/1950s. My older sister recently told me
that she remembers that our dad, Meyer SAVAL (one of Joseph's 6 children),
when driving through an area of Boston sort of near the retail downtown
and Chinatown area, pointed out a furniture store with the name KAPLAN on
it and claimed it was owned by cousins who still had that name. Is there
anyone out there who remembers anything about that store or that family?

I would love to investigate this possible family connection. Please reply
privately.

Lois Saval Finstein
Framingham, MA
lois.finstein2@...
Researcher #9111
Researching SAVAL, SAVALANSKY, MEYERS, LIFSCHITZ, KOPELMAN
Lithuania SIG #Lithuania KAPLAN furniture store in Boston, 1940s/1950s #lithuania

Lois Finstein <lois.finstein2@...>
 

My family history on my father's side includes one of those weird *name
change* episodes (that so many of us have) in Lithuania sometime in the
1850s or later. Supposedly a young man with the surname KAPLANSKY was
paid to take the place of someone with the last name SHAVLANSKY (or
something similar) in the army. This was in Siauliai, or Shavel. The
story gets fuzzy, but it's more or less that the new Mr. SHAVLANSKY joined
the army but somehow managed to desert and survive. However, he kept his
new name and moved around, resettling in Sakiai (Shaki). It was probably
his son, years later, who immigrated to Boston in 1890. This was my pgf,
Joseph SAVALANSKY (later shortened to SAVAL).

Now fast forward to the 1940s/1950s. My older sister recently told me
that she remembers that our dad, Meyer SAVAL (one of Joseph's 6 children),
when driving through an area of Boston sort of near the retail downtown
and Chinatown area, pointed out a furniture store with the name KAPLAN on
it and claimed it was owned by cousins who still had that name. Is there
anyone out there who remembers anything about that store or that family?

I would love to investigate this possible family connection. Please reply
privately.

Lois Saval Finstein
Framingham, MA
lois.finstein2@...
Researcher #9111
Researching SAVAL, SAVALANSKY, MEYERS, LIFSCHITZ, KOPELMAN
Re: New York Jewish Press #rabbinic

Larry Tauber <Ltauber@...>
 

I am resending this message to avoid potential confusion introduced
by a typo. Please disregard my previous message and note the
corrected spelling of "Twersky" in all references.

[Moderator's Note: If you are receiving the digest, Mr. Tauber's
first message has already been deleted.]

On 2003.01.06, I wrote:

I would like to pass on a little known weekly source which focuses
on rabbinic genealogy which RavSIGgers may not be aware of, the New
York Jewish Press's "Machberes" column
I received several private replies regarding my posting of
genealogical information contained in last week's Jewish Press
"Machberes" column. So for those who don't have access, this week's
edition did not disappoint. A little over thirty contemporary
rabbis are listed as attending a gathering with the Skverer Rebbe
in the Five Towns area. The column proceeds with several anecdotes
concerning the Skverer Rebbe and gives a short geneaolgy. It lists
the current rebbe, Rabbi Yechiel Michal TWERSKY and his brother,
Rabbi Avrohom Yehoshua Heschel TWERSKY, sons of the previous Skverer
Rebbe of Boro Park, Rabbi Dovid TWERSKY (1921-2001), son of the
previous rebbe, Rabbi Yitzchak TWERSKY (1888-1941), who came to the
US in 1923. Rabbi Yechiel Michal TWERSKY's father-in-law, Rabbi
Nochum TWERSKY, is also mentioned.

Also of interest this week for Ravsiggers is a article concerning
the 100th anniversary of Agudath HaRabbanim. It mentions more than
25 of the leading American Halachic authorities over the past 100
years, with a number of photographs, including R. Yakov Yosef (first
and only Chief Rabbi of NYC) who died on the day the Agudah was
established, R. Moshe Feinstein, R. Aharon Kotler, and R. Joseph
Soloveitchik. Some readers might have differing views over the
article's recounting of the Agudah's philosphical battles with the
Conservative and Reform movements, but the work of its WWII rescue
committee, the Va'ad HaTozlah, which is mentioned, was truly
remarkable.

Larry Tauber
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: New York Jewish Press #rabbinic

Larry Tauber <Ltauber@...>
 

I am resending this message to avoid potential confusion introduced
by a typo. Please disregard my previous message and note the
corrected spelling of "Twersky" in all references.

[Moderator's Note: If you are receiving the digest, Mr. Tauber's
first message has already been deleted.]

On 2003.01.06, I wrote:

I would like to pass on a little known weekly source which focuses
on rabbinic genealogy which RavSIGgers may not be aware of, the New
York Jewish Press's "Machberes" column
I received several private replies regarding my posting of
genealogical information contained in last week's Jewish Press
"Machberes" column. So for those who don't have access, this week's
edition did not disappoint. A little over thirty contemporary
rabbis are listed as attending a gathering with the Skverer Rebbe
in the Five Towns area. The column proceeds with several anecdotes
concerning the Skverer Rebbe and gives a short geneaolgy. It lists
the current rebbe, Rabbi Yechiel Michal TWERSKY and his brother,
Rabbi Avrohom Yehoshua Heschel TWERSKY, sons of the previous Skverer
Rebbe of Boro Park, Rabbi Dovid TWERSKY (1921-2001), son of the
previous rebbe, Rabbi Yitzchak TWERSKY (1888-1941), who came to the
US in 1923. Rabbi Yechiel Michal TWERSKY's father-in-law, Rabbi
Nochum TWERSKY, is also mentioned.

Also of interest this week for Ravsiggers is a article concerning
the 100th anniversary of Agudath HaRabbanim. It mentions more than
25 of the leading American Halachic authorities over the past 100
years, with a number of photographs, including R. Yakov Yosef (first
and only Chief Rabbi of NYC) who died on the day the Agudah was
established, R. Moshe Feinstein, R. Aharon Kotler, and R. Joseph
Soloveitchik. Some readers might have differing views over the
article's recounting of the Agudah's philosphical battles with the
Conservative and Reform movements, but the work of its WWII rescue
committee, the Va'ad HaTozlah, which is mentioned, was truly
remarkable.

Larry Tauber
Libe Golde Kuklianski POLNECKI #general

LENTHELMA@...
 

Looking for the decendents of Libe Golde POLONECKI nee KUKLIANSKI who
lived in Voronez, USSR. Last contact was in 1958.

Thelma Fletcher
Re: EIDB Search #general

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

Yes, Shapiro could be spelled, Sch, Sz, Sj. You just never know
when dealing with passenger manifests. Hope this helps.
Diane Jacobs
New York

Have you looked for their citizenship documents, which
would most likely show the name of the ship (even if
misspelled) and the date of arrival (even if a little
off)? Do you know for sure that the surname was Shapiro
or something that even sounded like Shapiro in Europe?
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