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Israel #latvia

mgetz@...
 

Hilda and I will be travelling to Israel after Sukkot arriving Oct 27th.

I would welcome any suggestions or ideas to prepare the ground for
a successful and meaningful Latvia SIG participation at the IAJGS
Conference in Israel next year.

Will be meeting Martha and other friends concerned with planning
and organising that important event.

Please respond to me directly at mgetz@erols.com

A Happy, Healthy and Sweet Rosh Hashanah to all.

Mike Getz
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/g/e/t/Mike-Getz/index.html?Welcome=982031185


Latvia SIG #Latvia Israel #latvia

mgetz@...
 

Hilda and I will be travelling to Israel after Sukkot arriving Oct 27th.

I would welcome any suggestions or ideas to prepare the ground for
a successful and meaningful Latvia SIG participation at the IAJGS
Conference in Israel next year.

Will be meeting Martha and other friends concerned with planning
and organising that important event.

Please respond to me directly at mgetz@erols.com

A Happy, Healthy and Sweet Rosh Hashanah to all.

Mike Getz
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/g/e/t/Mike-Getz/index.html?Welcome=982031185


Re: Marriages of first cousins #general

Sally M. Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

In the US, each state has different rules about marriages, so it would
depend where the couple married as to whether first cousin marriages were
allowed. I remember, not so many years ago, when 2 grandchildren of a
famous Chassidic rabbi were going to marry. They couldn't legally marry
in NY, so the marriage was held in New Jersey, not far away, in a football
stadium as I remember, for about ten thousand close friends. The
reception was in NY.

Another alternative to the false name is the likelihood that a brother
and a sister's children were married, or two sisters, so that they would
naturally have different surnames. Generally, the marriage record (but
not certificate) would have the parents names on it, so you might not
have all the information possible.

A third possibility is that one of the names was changed (my guess would
be Drozdowitz) to something easier to spell and pronounce. Again, the
marriage record and further research might make this clear.

I am sure there are other possibilities also, not to say that if you are
searching in a big city like NY you might have the wrong DROZDOWITZ.

Sally Bruckheimer
Harrison, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Marriages of first cousins #general

Sally M. Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

In the US, each state has different rules about marriages, so it would
depend where the couple married as to whether first cousin marriages were
allowed. I remember, not so many years ago, when 2 grandchildren of a
famous Chassidic rabbi were going to marry. They couldn't legally marry
in NY, so the marriage was held in New Jersey, not far away, in a football
stadium as I remember, for about ten thousand close friends. The
reception was in NY.

Another alternative to the false name is the likelihood that a brother
and a sister's children were married, or two sisters, so that they would
naturally have different surnames. Generally, the marriage record (but
not certificate) would have the parents names on it, so you might not
have all the information possible.

A third possibility is that one of the names was changed (my guess would
be Drozdowitz) to something easier to spell and pronounce. Again, the
marriage record and further research might make this clear.

I am sure there are other possibilities also, not to say that if you are
searching in a big city like NY you might have the wrong DROZDOWITZ.

Sally Bruckheimer
Harrison, NY


Re: Birth records - mother's family #galicia

Mark Halpern <willie46@...>
 

Israel brings up a few points about the vital records from
eastern Galician towns that can be ordered >from the AGAD Archives
in Warsaw via the Jewish Records Indexing - Poland order
processing system.

Point one is the appearance of the mother's parents names on the
birth record of her children. To summarize the answer: there is
No rule - there is little consistency in the recording of births
in Galician records.

Before 1877, when Jewish vital record keeping was standardized,
the recording of the mother's ancestral information was not
consistent. In some cases, the father's given name only was
recorded. In some cases, the father's surname and given name were
recorded. In a few cases, the mother's given name was also
recorded. I do not recall ever seeing the mother's mother's
maiden name. The practice varied not only by town, but by
Registrar. If the Registrar changed, the recording of names on
the birth records may have also changed.

In 1877, the data required on the forms to record Jewish births
was standardized. This included the given names, surnames,
occupation, and place of residence of the mother's parents.
Although this requirement was standard, the implementation was
not consistent as Israel points out. Again, the recording of the
mother's mother's surname varied >from town to town and Registrar
to Registrar.

The second point is what information is included on Lwow/Lviv
birth records. So far, JRI-Poland has indexed only the 1889-1899
birth records for Lwow. In these records, the mother's ancestral
information is usually as Israel describes it -- both the
father's and mother's surnames are recorded. This is very
important for further genealogical research as indexing of the
earlier births, as well as marriages and deaths, are still to be
indexed. In these Lwow records, I have also noticed that the
actual street address in Lwow is recorded as the location of the
birth (usually the house of the parents or a close relative).
This is unique as House Number was recorded for location of birth
in all other eastern Galician towns.

Lwow indexing continues with 1877-1888 births. The indexing of
1814-37, 62-76 births, 1870-99 marriages, and 1864-99 deaths will
hopefully follow. If you are interested in the Lwow indexing,
please contact me privately.

L'Shana Tovah,
Mark Halpern
AGAD Archives Coordinator
JRI-Poland

----- Original Message -----
Since the inception of the JRI-Poland project (actually, even
earlier), the Pikholz
Project has ordered a large number of AGAD records, for at
least a dozen towns
and cities in East Galicia. The actual records generally
include the names of the
mother's parents - although not in all years is this the case.

In the case of Lwow, however, the records we have ordered have
had an additional piece of information.- the maiden name of the
child's maternal grandmother. For instance, Mendel and Blime Brandes
had five children in Tarnopol and one in Lwow. The four records we
have for Tarnopol list Blime's
parents as Peretz and Perl Pikholz, >from which we cannot deduce
for certain whether Perl or Peretz is the Pikholz. For the child born
in Lwow (the fourth in birth order), Blime's parents are listed as
Peretz Pikholz and Perl Nagler. Needless to say, this can be very
important.

We have only a handful of Lwow births, so I cannot say if this
is the rule or if we just got lucky, but I thought I'd bring it to your
attention. At the same time, I'd be curious to know if this information
appears in other places in East Galicia.

(In another inslance, the Lwow record shows that the widowed
grandmother lives with the family.)

Wishing you all a good new year and a happy and meaningful Rosh
Hashanah.

Israel Pickholtz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Birth records - mother's family #general

Mark Halpern <willie46@...>
 

Israel brings up a few points about the vital records from
eastern Galician towns that can be ordered >from the AGAD Archives
in Warsaw via the Jewish Records Indexing - Poland order
processing system.

Point one is the appearance of the mother's parents names on the
birth record of her children. To summarize the answer: there is
No rule - there is little consistency in the recording of births
in Galician records.

Before 1877, when Jewish vital record keeping was standardized,
the recording of the mother's ancestral information was not
consistent. In some cases, the father's given name only was
recorded. In some cases, the father's surname and given name were
recorded. In a few cases, the mother's given name was also
recorded. I do not recall ever seeing the mother's mother's
maiden name. The practice varied not only by town, but by
Registrar. If the Registrar changed, the recording of names on
the birth records may have also changed.

In 1877, the data required on the forms to record Jewish births
was standardized. This included the given names, surnames,
occupation, and place of residence of the mother's parents.
Although this requirement was standard, the implementation was
not consistent as Israel points out. Again, the recording of the
mother's mother's surname varied >from town to town and Registrar
to Registrar.

The second point is what information is included on Lwow/Lviv
birth records. So far, JRI-Poland has indexed only the 1889-1899
birth records for Lwow. In these records, the mother's ancestral
information is usually as Israel describes it -- both the
father's and mother's surnames are recorded. This is very
important for further genealogical research as indexing of the
earlier births, as well as marriages and deaths, are still to be
indexed. In these Lwow records, I have also noticed that the
actual street address in Lwow is recorded as the location of the
birth (usually the house of the parents or a close relative).
This is unique as House Number was recorded for location of birth
in all other eastern Galician towns.

Lwow indexing continues with 1877-1888 births. The indexing of
1814-37, 62-76 births, 1870-99 marriages, and 1864-99 deaths will
hopefully follow. If you are interested in the Lwow indexing,
please contact me privately.

L'Shana Tovah,
Mark Halpern
AGAD Archives Coordinator
JRI-Poland

----- Original Message -----
Since the inception of the JRI-Poland project (actually, even
earlier), the Pikholz
Project has ordered a large number of AGAD records, for at
least a dozen towns
and cities in East Galicia. The actual records generally
include the names of the
mother's parents - although not in all years is this the case.

In the case of Lwow, however, the records we have ordered have
had an additional piece of information.- the maiden name of the
child's maternal grandmother. For instance, Mendel and Blime Brandes
had five children in Tarnopol and one in Lwow. The four records we
have for Tarnopol list Blime's
parents as Peretz and Perl Pikholz, >from which we cannot deduce
for certain whether Perl or Peretz is the Pikholz. For the child born
in Lwow (the fourth in birth order), Blime's parents are listed as
Peretz Pikholz and Perl Nagler. Needless to say, this can be very
important.

We have only a handful of Lwow births, so I cannot say if this
is the rule or if we just got lucky, but I thought I'd bring it to your
attention. At the same time, I'd be curious to know if this information
appears in other places in East Galicia.

(In another inslance, the Lwow record shows that the widowed
grandmother lives with the family.)

Wishing you all a good new year and a happy and meaningful Rosh
Hashanah.

Israel Pickholtz


Re: The Kalonymus Family #rabbinic

Chava Agmon <havahug@...>
 

On 2003.09.24, Larry Tauber <Ltauber@ctswlaw.com> wrote:

Even if the Kalonymides were not Leviim, this would not necessarily
mean they could not be ancestors of the MaHaRSHa (who was a Levi)
and his relative the TaZ (also a Levi), at least according to Paul
Jacobi who in his researches stated that their descent >from the
Kalonymide family was through a maternal line.
Greetings to Larry.

In order to further confirm what Paul Jacoby z"l wrote (Revised
edition October 1988) about the descent of the Kalonymides through
a maternal line, I am quoting the following: Under the title
"Tradition of descent >from the Kalonymedes family"

"Further evidence will be required for holding as "historically
established" (inverted commas in the original) the (Caro) family
tradition, that the wife of its said (protohistoric) ancestor
R' Joseph II Kara b. Shimon I - Kara was Daughter b. R' Kalonymus
haSaken Kalonymides and that, consequently, through her the Karas
could claim descent >from Aschkenasi Jewry's founding family, the
KALONYMIDES, >from whom also RASCHI's mother descended ......
unfortunately, the present writer was unsuccessful in his search
after evidence of R. Joseph II - Kara having indeed been the a
"son-in-law" (inverted commas in the original) of R. Kalonymus
ha-Saken, though he is well documented as "disciple" (inverted
commas in the original) of another Kalonymides; i.e., of
R. Kalonymus X b. Shabtai mi Roma (1030-1096)"

Shalom and Shana Tova
Chava Agmon,
Caro Family Research
havahug@barak-online.net
Tel Aviv, Israel


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: The Kalonymus Family #rabbinic

Chava Agmon <havahug@...>
 

On 2003.09.24, Larry Tauber <Ltauber@ctswlaw.com> wrote:

Even if the Kalonymides were not Leviim, this would not necessarily
mean they could not be ancestors of the MaHaRSHa (who was a Levi)
and his relative the TaZ (also a Levi), at least according to Paul
Jacobi who in his researches stated that their descent >from the
Kalonymide family was through a maternal line.
Greetings to Larry.

In order to further confirm what Paul Jacoby z"l wrote (Revised
edition October 1988) about the descent of the Kalonymides through
a maternal line, I am quoting the following: Under the title
"Tradition of descent >from the Kalonymedes family"

"Further evidence will be required for holding as "historically
established" (inverted commas in the original) the (Caro) family
tradition, that the wife of its said (protohistoric) ancestor
R' Joseph II Kara b. Shimon I - Kara was Daughter b. R' Kalonymus
haSaken Kalonymides and that, consequently, through her the Karas
could claim descent >from Aschkenasi Jewry's founding family, the
KALONYMIDES, >from whom also RASCHI's mother descended ......
unfortunately, the present writer was unsuccessful in his search
after evidence of R. Joseph II - Kara having indeed been the a
"son-in-law" (inverted commas in the original) of R. Kalonymus
ha-Saken, though he is well documented as "disciple" (inverted
commas in the original) of another Kalonymides; i.e., of
R. Kalonymus X b. Shabtai mi Roma (1030-1096)"

Shalom and Shana Tova
Chava Agmon,
Caro Family Research
havahug@barak-online.net
Tel Aviv, Israel


Info on Max INGBERG #france

Elizabeth Jackson
 

Dear members,

My Uncle Max INGBERG lived in Brussels, Belgium
(German record dated 24 Oct 1936) at Rue Henri
Vienstemps 52. My Uncle passed away back in 1983 and
as I never met him, I am trying to learn more about
him. Does anyone know how I might find if there are
any records in Belgium for my Uncle? He was born 8
Nov. 1904 Warsaw, Poland. He later moved to Minden,
Germany and it is >from here that he came to Belgium as
a Political Refugee (he was an active member of the
Social Democratic Party in Germany). It is my
understanding that he was very active in the
underground movement in Belgium (specifically 1941)
and helped many to escape. Max was married to Divojra
Laja SOSNOWSKI 4 or 24 Oct 1936, Brussels, Belgium.
They had two children: Rosemarie INGBERG-MADLENER and
Henry INGBERG. I have an address for Rosemarie as Rue
d'Orbais, 10A, 1360 Maleves, Belgium. I wrote and
received one letter, but no responses after that. I
know it is difficult for her to read/write English and
I do not speak/write French. I have never had any
contact with the son and have no address for him. I
have been told that one of the grandchildren is a
concert pianist, I believe Frank MADLENER, son of
Rosemarie. I am anxious to learn more about my Uncle
and hoping that some records will exist in Belgium. I
just do not know where to look!

Any help/suggestions members can provide will be most
appreciated!

Thank you!
Elizabeth Jackson
Tennessee, USA

Searching: INGBERG, KLEPFISZ, GOLDFLAM, WASSERSPRING,
KUTSCHINSKI, KIRSCHROT, RYWKIND


French SIG #France Info on Max INGBERG #france

Elizabeth Jackson
 

Dear members,

My Uncle Max INGBERG lived in Brussels, Belgium
(German record dated 24 Oct 1936) at Rue Henri
Vienstemps 52. My Uncle passed away back in 1983 and
as I never met him, I am trying to learn more about
him. Does anyone know how I might find if there are
any records in Belgium for my Uncle? He was born 8
Nov. 1904 Warsaw, Poland. He later moved to Minden,
Germany and it is >from here that he came to Belgium as
a Political Refugee (he was an active member of the
Social Democratic Party in Germany). It is my
understanding that he was very active in the
underground movement in Belgium (specifically 1941)
and helped many to escape. Max was married to Divojra
Laja SOSNOWSKI 4 or 24 Oct 1936, Brussels, Belgium.
They had two children: Rosemarie INGBERG-MADLENER and
Henry INGBERG. I have an address for Rosemarie as Rue
d'Orbais, 10A, 1360 Maleves, Belgium. I wrote and
received one letter, but no responses after that. I
know it is difficult for her to read/write English and
I do not speak/write French. I have never had any
contact with the son and have no address for him. I
have been told that one of the grandchildren is a
concert pianist, I believe Frank MADLENER, son of
Rosemarie. I am anxious to learn more about my Uncle
and hoping that some records will exist in Belgium. I
just do not know where to look!

Any help/suggestions members can provide will be most
appreciated!

Thank you!
Elizabeth Jackson
Tennessee, USA

Searching: INGBERG, KLEPFISZ, GOLDFLAM, WASSERSPRING,
KUTSCHINSKI, KIRSCHROT, RYWKIND


Seeking KLEPFISCH/INGBERG relatives in Belgium #france

Elizabeth Jackson
 

Dear FrenchSIG members,

Thank you to all who have sent responses re: my
questions about the family names RYWKIND and KLEPFISZ
from a 1940 postcard I have. Now, I have a new
question!

In 1993, I sent a quiry to the Israelitische Orthodoxe
Gemeente Machsike Hadass in Antwerp, Belgium. I was
trying to see if any members of my Mother's family
might still be in Belgium (surnames KLEPFISZ and
INGBERG). In response, they sent me two
addresses/phone for KLEPFISCH. I tried writing to
these individuals, but received no answer.
Unfortunately, I do not speak French, so wrote in
English and am wondering if this might be why I
received no response. And then there is always the
thought that when you write to "relatives" for the
first time, they are afraid you "want something." I
am only trying to further trace my Mother's family.
My maternal Grandmother was Sosse Charlotte INGBERG,
nee KLEPFISZ b. 10 Oct 1887 Warsaw Poland. My
maternal Grandfather was Hirsch Wolf INGBERG, b.
1870/71 Warsaw Poland. Both had relatives in Belgium
(early 1900's through war time ... I don't know about
after this time). I am wondering if our members have
any suggestions on how I might attempt, once again, to
contact the following names given to me by the
Orthodox Union:

KLEPFISCH - MARCOVICI, Van Eycklei 42, 2018 Antwerpen
(tel. 230.58.43)

KLEPFISCH B., De Roest d'Alkemadelaan 5, 2600 Berchem
(tel. 230.33.76)

Any help/suggestions will be most appreciated!

Elizabeth Jackson
Tennessee, USA


French SIG #France Seeking KLEPFISCH/INGBERG relatives in Belgium #france

Elizabeth Jackson
 

Dear FrenchSIG members,

Thank you to all who have sent responses re: my
questions about the family names RYWKIND and KLEPFISZ
from a 1940 postcard I have. Now, I have a new
question!

In 1993, I sent a quiry to the Israelitische Orthodoxe
Gemeente Machsike Hadass in Antwerp, Belgium. I was
trying to see if any members of my Mother's family
might still be in Belgium (surnames KLEPFISZ and
INGBERG). In response, they sent me two
addresses/phone for KLEPFISCH. I tried writing to
these individuals, but received no answer.
Unfortunately, I do not speak French, so wrote in
English and am wondering if this might be why I
received no response. And then there is always the
thought that when you write to "relatives" for the
first time, they are afraid you "want something." I
am only trying to further trace my Mother's family.
My maternal Grandmother was Sosse Charlotte INGBERG,
nee KLEPFISZ b. 10 Oct 1887 Warsaw Poland. My
maternal Grandfather was Hirsch Wolf INGBERG, b.
1870/71 Warsaw Poland. Both had relatives in Belgium
(early 1900's through war time ... I don't know about
after this time). I am wondering if our members have
any suggestions on how I might attempt, once again, to
contact the following names given to me by the
Orthodox Union:

KLEPFISCH - MARCOVICI, Van Eycklei 42, 2018 Antwerpen
(tel. 230.58.43)

KLEPFISCH B., De Roest d'Alkemadelaan 5, 2600 Berchem
(tel. 230.33.76)

Any help/suggestions will be most appreciated!

Elizabeth Jackson
Tennessee, USA


seeking Gladys ABRAMS #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley <Key2pst@...>
 

I am seeking the daughter of Aron and Zelda SCHLUSSEL, sister of Leo or
Louis..Gladys Abrams proably in New York, Brooklyn..should be
about75+..Thanks Gayle >from San Gabriel.
response privately


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen seeking Gladys ABRAMS #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley <Key2pst@...>
 

I am seeking the daughter of Aron and Zelda SCHLUSSEL, sister of Leo or
Louis..Gladys Abrams proably in New York, Brooklyn..should be
about75+..Thanks Gayle >from San Gabriel.
response privately


Searching: Martin & Anita SCHICK; Frank & Marie (nee SCHICK) KLEIN) ; Viktor & Hedwig (nee ADLER) SCHICK #general

Peter Lowe <Peter.Lowe@...>
 

In connection both with my research into the family tree of the ADLERs of
Amschelberg (Kosova Hora) and into the heirs of dormant Swiss Bank
accounts in the names of Hedwig SCHICK and Helene SGALITZER (nee ADLER),
I am keen to contact descendants of Viktor and Hedwig (nee ADLER) SCHICK.

I believe Viktor SCHICK was a bank manager in Prague, married to Hedwig
ADLER, daughter of Wilhelm ADLER & Laura BENEDIKT. Their children were:
Martin SCHICK, married to Anita: Lived in LOng Island, NY in the 1990s,
with children Victor & Barbara SCHICK
Marie KLEIN (nee SCHICK), married to Frank KLEIN, with children Ernest &
Ann KLEIN.

Any information on Dr. Max & Helene (nee ADLER) SGALITZER would be of
great value.

Please can anyone contact me directly if they can help to put me in
contact with descendants or anyone who knows of this family.

Thank you

Peter Lowe
Hertford, England
Email: Peter.Lowe@Bigfoot.Com
Web Site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pnlowe/index.htm
Researching: LOEWENHEIM, WANGENHEIM, DEWITZ, JERUSALEM, BEYKOVSKY, HERZ &
KROHN (West & East Prussia), JARUSLAWSKY, ADLER & EISNER (Bohemia)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: Martin & Anita SCHICK; Frank & Marie (nee SCHICK) KLEIN) ; Viktor & Hedwig (nee ADLER) SCHICK #general

Peter Lowe <Peter.Lowe@...>
 

In connection both with my research into the family tree of the ADLERs of
Amschelberg (Kosova Hora) and into the heirs of dormant Swiss Bank
accounts in the names of Hedwig SCHICK and Helene SGALITZER (nee ADLER),
I am keen to contact descendants of Viktor and Hedwig (nee ADLER) SCHICK.

I believe Viktor SCHICK was a bank manager in Prague, married to Hedwig
ADLER, daughter of Wilhelm ADLER & Laura BENEDIKT. Their children were:
Martin SCHICK, married to Anita: Lived in LOng Island, NY in the 1990s,
with children Victor & Barbara SCHICK
Marie KLEIN (nee SCHICK), married to Frank KLEIN, with children Ernest &
Ann KLEIN.

Any information on Dr. Max & Helene (nee ADLER) SGALITZER would be of
great value.

Please can anyone contact me directly if they can help to put me in
contact with descendants or anyone who knows of this family.

Thank you

Peter Lowe
Hertford, England
Email: Peter.Lowe@Bigfoot.Com
Web Site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pnlowe/index.htm
Researching: LOEWENHEIM, WANGENHEIM, DEWITZ, JERUSALEM, BEYKOVSKY, HERZ &
KROHN (West & East Prussia), JARUSLAWSKY, ADLER & EISNER (Bohemia)


Boat "Roma" 1927 #general

Merv & Naomi Barnett
 

Hello List

I am looking for information regarding the boat "Roma". I have received
information that my mother arrived in Jaffa, Palestine on 15 December
1927. It departed >from Constanza on 16 November 1927. Is there
anywhere I can see a picture of this vessel, and is it possible to find
a passenger list?

L'shana Tova

Naomi Barnett
Melbourne, Australia

Researching
BARNETT Vilna, Leeds, Rhodesia, Australia
BRZINSKI/ROSE Leeds, Australia
COHEN Manchester, Australia
REIZER, Grodno, Palestine, Israel, New Zealand, Australia, California
ROSE Leeds, Australia
VOLSHTEIN, Zelve (Grodno gubernia), Palestine, New Zealand, Australia


mailto:barnett@netspace.net.au


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Boat "Roma" 1927 #general

Merv & Naomi Barnett
 

Hello List

I am looking for information regarding the boat "Roma". I have received
information that my mother arrived in Jaffa, Palestine on 15 December
1927. It departed >from Constanza on 16 November 1927. Is there
anywhere I can see a picture of this vessel, and is it possible to find
a passenger list?

L'shana Tova

Naomi Barnett
Melbourne, Australia

Researching
BARNETT Vilna, Leeds, Rhodesia, Australia
BRZINSKI/ROSE Leeds, Australia
COHEN Manchester, Australia
REIZER, Grodno, Palestine, Israel, New Zealand, Australia, California
ROSE Leeds, Australia
VOLSHTEIN, Zelve (Grodno gubernia), Palestine, New Zealand, Australia


mailto:barnett@netspace.net.au


Re: marriages of first cousins. #general

Jonathan Goldmacher <jgoldmacher@...>
 

They still could have been first cousins if he were the son of DROZDOWITZ
and she were the daughter of a ROSENBERG nee DROZDOWITZ. That is to say
perhaps your great grandfather's father had a sister who married a
ROSENBERG. In this case both your great grandfather and his wife are
first cousins even though they have different surnames.

Jonathan Goldmacher
New York, NY

I have stumbled across an interesting contradiction, and I
wonder if anyone can shed light onto the situation. It is
my family's belief that my ggparents, Samuel and Sara
DROZDOWITZ, were first cousins. Other evidence confirms
this, including the obituary of her father, whose last name
(DROZDOWITZ) is the same as her husband.

However, we have come across a marriage certificate for
Samuel DROZDOWITZ and Sara ROSENBERG. The dates and places
all match. The only thing which baffles us is her maiden
name. Would it have been a problem in the US in 1891 for
the two spouses to have the same last name? Might she have
given a false name for this reason? Are there other reasons
for this that any of you could think of?

Confused,

Annemarie Jutel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: marriages of first cousins. #general

Jonathan Goldmacher <jgoldmacher@...>
 

They still could have been first cousins if he were the son of DROZDOWITZ
and she were the daughter of a ROSENBERG nee DROZDOWITZ. That is to say
perhaps your great grandfather's father had a sister who married a
ROSENBERG. In this case both your great grandfather and his wife are
first cousins even though they have different surnames.

Jonathan Goldmacher
New York, NY

I have stumbled across an interesting contradiction, and I
wonder if anyone can shed light onto the situation. It is
my family's belief that my ggparents, Samuel and Sara
DROZDOWITZ, were first cousins. Other evidence confirms
this, including the obituary of her father, whose last name
(DROZDOWITZ) is the same as her husband.

However, we have come across a marriage certificate for
Samuel DROZDOWITZ and Sara ROSENBERG. The dates and places
all match. The only thing which baffles us is her maiden
name. Would it have been a problem in the US in 1891 for
the two spouses to have the same last name? Might she have
given a false name for this reason? Are there other reasons
for this that any of you could think of?

Confused,

Annemarie Jutel