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Re: Gdal and Daniel #poland

Sue Clamp <clamp@...>
 

On 11 Jun, Marty Meyers <meyers01@comcast.net> wrote:
Are the names Gdal and Daniel commonly found together as a combination,
as in Gdal Daniel?
I've found two cases (families RYCHTER and RUDA) in Przasnysz where,
based on the names of children, wives and parents, people seem to have
been named Gdal in some records and Daniel in others, making me
suspect that Gdal Daniel (or Daniel Gdal) was their complete given
name.
Is this a common combination?
Reading this reminded me of my attempt to find my grandparents in the 1901
UK census. My grandfather's name was Gedalia (also known as Joe and later
Goodman) and they had only been in England 3-4 years. I looked for every
known variation of the spelling of first and surnames for both him and my
grandmother (Zurel/Celia/Sarah). Absolutely nothing came up. I then tried
a search for their daughter, Tilly, which led me to a couple called Daniel
and Scarley Rosenberg. I wondered whether the poor census enumerator just
couldn't make out how to write their names in English! Maybe he heard the
"da" sound in my grandfather's name and thought that Daniel was a close
approximation? I'm still not 100% sure this is my family, but it's as
close as I've managed to get!

Sue Clamp

--
Cambridgeshire, UK.
Researching: ROSENBERG/ROZENBERG, SKOWRONEK, HERSZENKRUG, KRIEGSMANN/KRIGSMAN/KRYKSMAN, CHENCINER and DRUSZN/DROZEN/DROSSEN, Warsaw.
Getting round to (eventually!): BLEETMAN, Odessa, GOLDSTEIN and SALAMONSKI.

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JRI Poland #Poland Re: Gdal and Daniel #poland

Sue Clamp <clamp@...>
 

On 11 Jun, Marty Meyers <meyers01@comcast.net> wrote:
Are the names Gdal and Daniel commonly found together as a combination,
as in Gdal Daniel?
I've found two cases (families RYCHTER and RUDA) in Przasnysz where,
based on the names of children, wives and parents, people seem to have
been named Gdal in some records and Daniel in others, making me
suspect that Gdal Daniel (or Daniel Gdal) was their complete given
name.
Is this a common combination?
Reading this reminded me of my attempt to find my grandparents in the 1901
UK census. My grandfather's name was Gedalia (also known as Joe and later
Goodman) and they had only been in England 3-4 years. I looked for every
known variation of the spelling of first and surnames for both him and my
grandmother (Zurel/Celia/Sarah). Absolutely nothing came up. I then tried
a search for their daughter, Tilly, which led me to a couple called Daniel
and Scarley Rosenberg. I wondered whether the poor census enumerator just
couldn't make out how to write their names in English! Maybe he heard the
"da" sound in my grandfather's name and thought that Daniel was a close
approximation? I'm still not 100% sure this is my family, but it's as
close as I've managed to get!

Sue Clamp

--
Cambridgeshire, UK.
Researching: ROSENBERG/ROZENBERG, SKOWRONEK, HERSZENKRUG, KRIEGSMANN/KRIGSMAN/KRYKSMAN, CHENCINER and DRUSZN/DROZEN/DROSSEN, Warsaw.
Getting round to (eventually!): BLEETMAN, Odessa, GOLDSTEIN and SALAMONSKI.

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switching the suffix of surnames - continuation to semantic equivalence of surnames #poland

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

By chance, my mother-in-law wrote 2 surnames on one or two pictures.
TREPER/TREPMAN

from the people we have found in the JRI-index for Warsaw, we see the
use ofTREPER in the 19th century and TREPMAN in the 20th century. We
don't knowexactly when or where the change came about, or why. Her
little note on afew pictures just give us hope of connecting with the
TREPERs >from the 19th century.. We are missing information in the index
for any one of the personswe know of in some connection with all those
we have found. It seems to be 2branches of the same family. The other
branch we know of today, also had thesame name change about the same time.

Rose Feldman
Shalom and see you in Jerusalem!
The 24th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
July 4-9, 2004
www.jewishgen.org/jerusalem2004
JRI Poland #Poland switching the suffix of surnames - continuation to semantic equivalence of surnames #poland

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

By chance, my mother-in-law wrote 2 surnames on one or two pictures.
TREPER/TREPMAN

from the people we have found in the JRI-index for Warsaw, we see the
use ofTREPER in the 19th century and TREPMAN in the 20th century. We
don't knowexactly when or where the change came about, or why. Her
little note on afew pictures just give us hope of connecting with the
TREPERs >from the 19th century.. We are missing information in the index
for any one of the personswe know of in some connection with all those
we have found. It seems to be 2branches of the same family. The other
branch we know of today, also had thesame name change about the same time.

Rose Feldman
Shalom and see you in Jerusalem!
The 24th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
July 4-9, 2004
www.jewishgen.org/jerusalem2004
from house numbers to street numbers in Warsaw #poland

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

I am sure that there are others asking themselves the following question,
now that we have documents >from the 19th century.

When did the city of Warsaw go >from numbering houses to numbering houses on
street?

I have information >from the 1910 directory that already gives address with
street names, but a wedding certificate >from 1874 gives just house numbers,
for example 2355, 2403, 863.

Is there any way to correlate between house numbers and streets?
Are there any maps >from the time when the houses were numbered without
streets?

Thanks
Rose Feldman

Shalom and see you in Jerusalem!
The 24th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
July 4-9, 2004
www.jewishgen.org/jerusalem2004
JRI Poland #Poland from house numbers to street numbers in Warsaw #poland

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

I am sure that there are others asking themselves the following question,
now that we have documents >from the 19th century.

When did the city of Warsaw go >from numbering houses to numbering houses on
street?

I have information >from the 1910 directory that already gives address with
street names, but a wedding certificate >from 1874 gives just house numbers,
for example 2355, 2403, 863.

Is there any way to correlate between house numbers and streets?
Are there any maps >from the time when the houses were numbered without
streets?

Thanks
Rose Feldman

Shalom and see you in Jerusalem!
The 24th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
July 4-9, 2004
www.jewishgen.org/jerusalem2004
Re: Rabbi Matisyahu Treves #rabbinic

Yisrael Asper <yisraelasper@...>
 

In response to Jonathan Cohen's dating in his post of 2004.06.08,
listed below are my datings.

Genealogical date listings get awfully mixed up making you wonder.
Sometimes they do. My greatgrandmother Hinda Renki Arak was born in
the 1870's and her brother the famous Rav Meir Arak in 1855. If
Rabbi Aharon Luria's date of birth was 1413, and if as I read he
died in 1456 the same year as the Encyclopedia Judaica says he
attended a famous rabbinical conference he died in his 40's. So him
having died a relatively young man can then make it reasonable if
necessary to adjust his lifespan to still be a shorter span. If his
wife Miriam Spira was born in 1403,? and Rabbi Aharon Luria in 1413?
You would think it would more likely be the other way around if a
choice would have to be made. Since women would more likely be
married while there was more likelihood of them having children.

If you have 25 years to a generation and have Rabbi Matisyahu Treves
born as he is said to have been about the year 1325 and make it
exactly 1325 we run into trouble. First if Rabbi Matisyahu Treves'
daughter married Rabbi Shmuel Spira at least, you land up with Rabbi
Matisyahu Treves born in 1325, his daughter in 1350 and her son
Rabbi Shlomo Spira in 1375 who in turn has Miriam Spira in 1400 you
only have adjusting a little forward for her but it requires half a
generation adjustment if we have her being born in 1413 together
with her husband Rabbi Aharon Luria to match their ages.

1430 as the year for Rabbi Yechiel Luria's birth makes his lifespan
short if what I read is true that he died in 1470. If we are to
wonder about the accuracy, it's to be wondered whether early death
really struck these people or squashed dating on charts and I've
seen some datings that are unbelievable in the extreme on charts.

If you advance the year in which Rabbi Matisyahu Treves was born
backward 25 years and have 20 years to a generation you land up with
the Maharam Mi Padua born in 1480 according to my long version. The
point is the dates you gave don't prove your case or our's. I don't
receive Avotaynu but look forward, to reading "The Lurie Legacy,"
now that I know of it's existence.

Yisrael Asper
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Rabbi Matisyahu Treves #rabbinic

Yisrael Asper <yisraelasper@...>
 

In response to Jonathan Cohen's dating in his post of 2004.06.08,
listed below are my datings.

Genealogical date listings get awfully mixed up making you wonder.
Sometimes they do. My greatgrandmother Hinda Renki Arak was born in
the 1870's and her brother the famous Rav Meir Arak in 1855. If
Rabbi Aharon Luria's date of birth was 1413, and if as I read he
died in 1456 the same year as the Encyclopedia Judaica says he
attended a famous rabbinical conference he died in his 40's. So him
having died a relatively young man can then make it reasonable if
necessary to adjust his lifespan to still be a shorter span. If his
wife Miriam Spira was born in 1403,? and Rabbi Aharon Luria in 1413?
You would think it would more likely be the other way around if a
choice would have to be made. Since women would more likely be
married while there was more likelihood of them having children.

If you have 25 years to a generation and have Rabbi Matisyahu Treves
born as he is said to have been about the year 1325 and make it
exactly 1325 we run into trouble. First if Rabbi Matisyahu Treves'
daughter married Rabbi Shmuel Spira at least, you land up with Rabbi
Matisyahu Treves born in 1325, his daughter in 1350 and her son
Rabbi Shlomo Spira in 1375 who in turn has Miriam Spira in 1400 you
only have adjusting a little forward for her but it requires half a
generation adjustment if we have her being born in 1413 together
with her husband Rabbi Aharon Luria to match their ages.

1430 as the year for Rabbi Yechiel Luria's birth makes his lifespan
short if what I read is true that he died in 1470. If we are to
wonder about the accuracy, it's to be wondered whether early death
really struck these people or squashed dating on charts and I've
seen some datings that are unbelievable in the extreme on charts.

If you advance the year in which Rabbi Matisyahu Treves was born
backward 25 years and have 20 years to a generation you land up with
the Maharam Mi Padua born in 1480 according to my long version. The
point is the dates you gave don't prove your case or our's. I don't
receive Avotaynu but look forward, to reading "The Lurie Legacy,"
now that I know of it's existence.

Yisrael Asper
SUGERMAN/SUCROVITE - Bialystok #general

Richard Shaffer <richardjshaffer@...>
 

I am interested if anyone knows of any Sugarmans (Sucrovite?)
from Bialystok -
in particular a Joseph Sugarman, who was born in Poland and
came to live in Sheffield, England, some time after 1880.
He married Jenny Rootstein.
with thanks,
Richard Shaffer, Manchester, England

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SUGERMAN/SUCROVITE - Bialystok #general

Richard Shaffer <richardjshaffer@...>
 

I am interested if anyone knows of any Sugarmans (Sucrovite?)
from Bialystok -
in particular a Joseph Sugarman, who was born in Poland and
came to live in Sheffield, England, some time after 1880.
He married Jenny Rootstein.
with thanks,
Richard Shaffer, Manchester, England

MODERATOR NOTE: To increase your chances of success, don't forget
to list your surnames of interest in the JewishGen Family Finder,
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/
JDC Archives - Special Hours for Jerusalem Conference attendees #germany

martha@...
 

The Archives of the JDC are preparing for researchers >from the Jerusalem
2004 Conference the week of 4 July. Under normal circumstances, they are
not set up for more than a tiny number of users. However, for the
Conference, they are preparing a special adjoining room which they will
furnish with microfilm readers and special material of interest to us. They
are planning to open this room on Tuesday and Thursday between 15:00 and
18:00 and on Wednesday between 08:00 and 10:00. The JDC Archive is very
flexible and willing to open this room additional hours as well. They have
asked that you register with them so they can get some idea of how many
people to expect.

What can you expect to find at the JDC?

They have a microfilm made >from registration cards of people seeking help during
World War II through Joint offices in Munich, Vienna and Barcelona.
This comprises some 80,000 names with family details. After the war, the Joint
had a location office in Istambul which tried to locate refugees and lost
families. These records are also available. And finally, there is a list of
survivors, which, alas, does not have a search engine. This list is arranged
according to location, and then by family names arranged alphabetically.

The JDC lists include additional information that is not available at Yad Vashem.

If you wish to do research at the JDC Archives during the Conference,
please send an email to them at <archives@jdc.org.il>

We look forward to seeing you in Jerusalem!

Martha Levinson Lev-Zion, Ph.D. martha@bgumail.bgu.ac.il
The 24th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
Jerusalem, July 4-9, 2004 http://www.jewishgen.org/jerusalem2004
German SIG #Germany JDC Archives - Special Hours for Jerusalem Conference attendees #germany

martha@...
 

The Archives of the JDC are preparing for researchers >from the Jerusalem
2004 Conference the week of 4 July. Under normal circumstances, they are
not set up for more than a tiny number of users. However, for the
Conference, they are preparing a special adjoining room which they will
furnish with microfilm readers and special material of interest to us. They
are planning to open this room on Tuesday and Thursday between 15:00 and
18:00 and on Wednesday between 08:00 and 10:00. The JDC Archive is very
flexible and willing to open this room additional hours as well. They have
asked that you register with them so they can get some idea of how many
people to expect.

What can you expect to find at the JDC?

They have a microfilm made >from registration cards of people seeking help during
World War II through Joint offices in Munich, Vienna and Barcelona.
This comprises some 80,000 names with family details. After the war, the Joint
had a location office in Istambul which tried to locate refugees and lost
families. These records are also available. And finally, there is a list of
survivors, which, alas, does not have a search engine. This list is arranged
according to location, and then by family names arranged alphabetically.

The JDC lists include additional information that is not available at Yad Vashem.

If you wish to do research at the JDC Archives during the Conference,
please send an email to them at <archives@jdc.org.il>

We look forward to seeing you in Jerusalem!

Martha Levinson Lev-Zion, Ph.D. martha@bgumail.bgu.ac.il
The 24th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
Jerusalem, July 4-9, 2004 http://www.jewishgen.org/jerusalem2004
Archives of the Vienna Jewish Community #general

Florence & Henry Wellisch <kelwel@...>
 

Sometime ago I received several hundred pages of the inventory of this
material, which is located in the Central Archive for the History of the
Jewish People (CAHJP), Jerusalem. Please note, this is only the inventory.
Practically all the material is in German. The period covered is between the
19th century until the end of WWII. For people who are looking for
information on the Jews of Vienna this is an incredible resource, and with
the upcoming conference in Jerusalem, study of relevant
parts are a must for those at the conference. Please note that this
inventory is also available on the internet on the
website of the CAHJP. The material in these files, noted below, deals mostly
with the period between 1938 and 1944, but there is also a lot >from the
earlier times. Here are some examples of what one can find:

Register of Jews living in Vienna as of 15.9.1939 (Organized by district, it
seems this list is not alphabetical)
Establishment of a total register of Jews living in Vienna, 1942
List of those Jews living in mixed marriage (XII, 1944)
Suicides or attempted suicides (Card index, 1938)
Correspondence of genealogical content with Race Office, 1938/40
Alphabetical list of people receiving financial support, 1938-1943
List of inmates in KZ Dachau, Gusen, Gross-Rosen, Flossenburg, Schawabisch
Hall, Hamburg- Neuengamme, Mauthausen, Ravensbruck, Sachsenhausen,
Buchenwald; 1938 -1942 (including date of death, some releases)
Correspondence with [deported] persons in Litzmannstadt [Lodz]1941-1944
Correspondence with inmates of "Workcamp Birkenau" and Monowitz and
workplace Suben 1942- 1943
Correspondence with persons in Theresienstadt, 1943-1944
Many lists of children, some alphabetical, sent to countries like England,
Australia, Belgium, Ecuador, Czechoslovakia, France, Holland, New Zealand,
Norway, Sweden,
Switzerland, Uruguay, USA, 1938- 1941.
Lists of transports to Poland
And there is much more......................
Henry Wellisch
Toronto

MODERATOR NOTE: The CAHJP site is at: http://sites.huji.ac.il/archives/index.htm
You will also find more information on Vienna on the BohMor SIG web site at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/BohMor/
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Archives of the Vienna Jewish Community #general

Florence & Henry Wellisch <kelwel@...>
 

Sometime ago I received several hundred pages of the inventory of this
material, which is located in the Central Archive for the History of the
Jewish People (CAHJP), Jerusalem. Please note, this is only the inventory.
Practically all the material is in German. The period covered is between the
19th century until the end of WWII. For people who are looking for
information on the Jews of Vienna this is an incredible resource, and with
the upcoming conference in Jerusalem, study of relevant
parts are a must for those at the conference. Please note that this
inventory is also available on the internet on the
website of the CAHJP. The material in these files, noted below, deals mostly
with the period between 1938 and 1944, but there is also a lot >from the
earlier times. Here are some examples of what one can find:

Register of Jews living in Vienna as of 15.9.1939 (Organized by district, it
seems this list is not alphabetical)
Establishment of a total register of Jews living in Vienna, 1942
List of those Jews living in mixed marriage (XII, 1944)
Suicides or attempted suicides (Card index, 1938)
Correspondence of genealogical content with Race Office, 1938/40
Alphabetical list of people receiving financial support, 1938-1943
List of inmates in KZ Dachau, Gusen, Gross-Rosen, Flossenburg, Schawabisch
Hall, Hamburg- Neuengamme, Mauthausen, Ravensbruck, Sachsenhausen,
Buchenwald; 1938 -1942 (including date of death, some releases)
Correspondence with [deported] persons in Litzmannstadt [Lodz]1941-1944
Correspondence with inmates of "Workcamp Birkenau" and Monowitz and
workplace Suben 1942- 1943
Correspondence with persons in Theresienstadt, 1943-1944
Many lists of children, some alphabetical, sent to countries like England,
Australia, Belgium, Ecuador, Czechoslovakia, France, Holland, New Zealand,
Norway, Sweden,
Switzerland, Uruguay, USA, 1938- 1941.
Lists of transports to Poland
And there is much more......................
Henry Wellisch
Toronto

MODERATOR NOTE: The CAHJP site is at: http://sites.huji.ac.il/archives/index.htm
You will also find more information on Vienna on the BohMor SIG web site at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/BohMor/
German Name Adoption Lists on the Internet #germany

w.fritzsche@...
 

Dear All,
seeing the discussion about name adoption lists I would like to remind you of
my homepage:

www.a-h-b.de/AHB/links_e.htm

where I publish name adoption lists >from different parts of Germany (as far
as I have received them).

Please feel free to send me your list too, I would be glad to add it to the site.
With best regards,

Wolfgang Fritzsche, prof. Genealogist, Wiesbaden w.fritzsche@ewr-online.de
German SIG #Germany German Name Adoption Lists on the Internet #germany

w.fritzsche@...
 

Dear All,
seeing the discussion about name adoption lists I would like to remind you of
my homepage:

www.a-h-b.de/AHB/links_e.htm

where I publish name adoption lists >from different parts of Germany (as far
as I have received them).

Please feel free to send me your list too, I would be glad to add it to the site.
With best regards,

Wolfgang Fritzsche, prof. Genealogist, Wiesbaden w.fritzsche@ewr-online.de
Re: Stephen (Steve Marty Feldman) Field #general

stephen field
 

My name is Stephen Field.
My E mail is stemarfie@yahoo.com.
I lived on Walnut Avenue in Roxbury,
Massachusetts during the 40's, 50's and
60's.
I had friends and neighbors on Iffley
Road, and Montebello Road during those times.
I was known as Stevie Marty Feldman in
those days.
My nickname was peewee, because I was
so small. I am not so small now.
I am 68 years old.
I belonged to the Y M H A on Seaver
Street, corner of Humbolt Avenue and
Seaver Street in Roxbury, Massachusetts,
during the 50's and 60's.
I also belonged to the U S Y at
Temple Mishkan Tefila corner of Elm Hill
Avenue and Seaver Street in Roxbury,
Massachusetts, during the 50's and 60's.
Anybody that remembers me, please contact
me at my E mail address stemarfie@yahoo.com
I would like to hear >from you and renew old
friendships.
Remember my E mail address stemarfie@yahoo.com
or mail to me at my address XXX Winchester Street
Apt 434 Newton, Massachusetts XXXXX
Hope to hear >from you.
Stephen (Steve-Marty) Field
stemarfie@yahoo.com

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Stephen (Steve Marty Feldman) Field #general

stephen field
 

My name is Stephen Field.
My E mail is stemarfie@yahoo.com.
I lived on Walnut Avenue in Roxbury,
Massachusetts during the 40's, 50's and
60's.
I had friends and neighbors on Iffley
Road, and Montebello Road during those times.
I was known as Stevie Marty Feldman in
those days.
My nickname was peewee, because I was
so small. I am not so small now.
I am 68 years old.
I belonged to the Y M H A on Seaver
Street, corner of Humbolt Avenue and
Seaver Street in Roxbury, Massachusetts,
during the 50's and 60's.
I also belonged to the U S Y at
Temple Mishkan Tefila corner of Elm Hill
Avenue and Seaver Street in Roxbury,
Massachusetts, during the 50's and 60's.
Anybody that remembers me, please contact
me at my E mail address stemarfie@yahoo.com
I would like to hear >from you and renew old
friendships.
Remember my E mail address stemarfie@yahoo.com
or mail to me at my address XXX Winchester Street
Apt 434 Newton, Massachusetts XXXXX
Hope to hear >from you.
Stephen (Steve-Marty) Field
stemarfie@yahoo.com

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Whereabouts of Sharon Grollman and Alan W. Stearn #general

Marilen Pitler <mpitler@...>
 

Dear JewishGenners,

I am searching for possible connections on my CHERNOFF side of the family.
I have written to the list of other people searching for the name Chernoff,
and two emailed notes bounced back to me: Sharon Grollman (#43536) and Alan
W. Stearn (#7665).

I was hoping that one of you might have newer email addresses, or perhaps
Sharon Grollman and Alan Stearn are subscribers to the Digest and would
write me.

Thank you for your help and Happy Hunting,

Marilen Pitler

MODERATOR NOTE: Non-working email
addresses in the JGFF should also be reported to
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Whereabouts of Sharon Grollman and Alan W. Stearn #general

Marilen Pitler <mpitler@...>
 

Dear JewishGenners,

I am searching for possible connections on my CHERNOFF side of the family.
I have written to the list of other people searching for the name Chernoff,
and two emailed notes bounced back to me: Sharon Grollman (#43536) and Alan
W. Stearn (#7665).

I was hoping that one of you might have newer email addresses, or perhaps
Sharon Grollman and Alan Stearn are subscribers to the Digest and would
write me.

Thank you for your help and Happy Hunting,

Marilen Pitler

MODERATOR NOTE: Non-working email
addresses in the JGFF should also be reported to
LostNFound@lyris.jewishgen.org
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