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Re: Abraham Lincoln: Secret Jew? #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 3/14/2005 10:05:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
HeyJudy123@aol.com writes:

< The New York Post, one of New York City's leading daily newspapers, this week
printed a theory that Abraham Lincoln may have been a secret Jew, or descended
from Jews. (The columnist offering the information admitted that this theory is
unsubstantiated.)

< Has any Genner heard a similar rumor (or "bubbemeiser") in his or her own
family? >

==That appears to be an insider joke of the literati. A few weeks ago, a book
(or article) set out to prove he was really a homosexual, and I've heard many
humorous takes on the topic and the reasoning (or evidence) behind it..

==Americans, Jews and Gentiles, seem to have a hankering for "exotic" ancestors.
I've had many people write to me asking me, on the flimsiest of evidence (a
German name, a braided loaf eaten weekends, a dislike for bacon, or a tendency to
say "oy" when they sighed) to confirm that an ancestor was, in fact, Jewish.

==Recently I read in these pages a report about a Catholic priest who knows he's
a Spanish Maranno because his parents had a variety of customs--including playing
with a dreidel around Xmas, apparently ignorant of the fact that the Dreidel is an
Ashkenazi custom and was not part of Sefardi customs.

==I understand that any time a person well known >from the stage, sports or
government dies, there are likely to be lots of queries "Is it true that So-and-so
was Jewish?" that moderators are required, by the jewishgen code, to reject.

==Similarly, Many Jews appear to aspire to Sefardi ancestry in these lists, on
the flimsiest of evidence.

==It's good to learn more and more about our ancestry and the heritage of our
ancestors, but investing energy in desperately seeking exotic ancestry based on
the shakiest of factoids is really a waste of energy and opportunities.

==ALL our ancestors were good and worthy of being remembered by us.

Michael Bernet, New York


Re: Abraham Lincoln: Secret Jew? #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

There have been many stories about Abraham Lincoln's origins which grew out of
opposition to him during various elections and the Civil War period as well as the
lack of information about him. It was speculated that he was a Black, a Jew, and
other things. These stories mainly focused on his mother Nancy Hanks whose
origins were cloudy.

Various records and stories have been brought forward attesting to the fact that
Nancy Hanks was actually illegitamate and that she then had an illegitamate child,
Abraham Lincoln. If this is true then it becomes doubly difficult to determine
the origins of Abraham Lincoln.

One of the most persistent rumors was that Abraham Lincoln was the son of John C.
Calhoun, well-known South Carolina politician, whom he looked like. Calhoun was a
frequent patron of a tavern where Nancy Hanks worked. Another that he was the son
of Abraham Enloe, a man who hired Nancy Hanks and then got her pregnant. In all
these accounts, the purported father paid Thomas Lincoln to take the pregnant
Nancy Hanks away and marry her.

All of this is further confused by the many women who were named Nancy Hanks who
abounded in those days, including one who was a relative of Lincoln's mother who
had an illegitamate child.

So, it may never be known what Lincoln's exact orgins were unless DNA testing is
possible.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


Abe LINCOLN Update #general

HeyJudy123@...
 

A few days ago, I had posted a report of a rumor printed in the newspaper the "New
York Post," to the effect that Abraham LINCOLN was Jewish. I had made it clear in
this posting that it was not I who made this claim, nor was it made by the "Post"
columnist who reported it.

The website offering the report is
<www.nypost.com/seven/03102005/gossip/cindy.htm> but I do not think that the
column will be accessible for free on-line for much longer. Due to difficulty with
the AOL email program, I unsuccessfully have spent significant time over the past
two days trying to share this website address; I am hoping that this letter gets
through.

To sum up the report: Rabbi Jeff KAHN of Temple Har Shalom in Warren, New Jersey
(USA) presented columnist Cindy ADAMS with the following facts: Lincoln belonged
to no church, his father's paternal grandfather's first name was "Mordechai,"
Mordechai had come to the U.S. >from the town of "Lincoln" in England, a town which
has a Jewish community dating to 1159. Additionally, Rabbi KAHN says that Rabbi
Issac WISE, the founder of the Reform Jewish movement, told people that Lincoln
had told the Rabbi personally that he had Jewish blood himself.

I shared this report in the theory that there may be some JewishGen participant
who has a similar family myth in his or her own family.

Indeed, within hours of my first posting, I did get an email >from another Genner
saying exactly this! A woman in her own mother's Belarus line is reported to have
been the bride of Mordechai Lincoln.

I have received an enormous amount of email on the topic since my posting, over 60
letters in three days. The majority, of course, came >from the USA, but England and
Israel are well-represented. I even received, in translation, a poem >from Russia
about heroic figures, most of whom were Communists, but Lincoln was included.

Another letter said that this rumor is straight out of the "Protocols of Zion;"
I'll admit, it does sound that way. Still another correspondent reported that John
Wilkes BOOTH, too, was Jewish. Several chided me for my gullibility (in my own
defense, I think that my posting made it clear that I was not endorsing the
story.) One correspondent felt that I was indulging in pointless gossip, claiming
that I was slandering this dead President. Another participant said that I should
have done more thorough research before involving JewishGen.

These last comments, to me, are besides the point. I was not endorsing the rumor,
I was sharing it, in the specific hope that it might offer a clue to another
JewishGen participant; in fact, it seems to have done exactly that.

More research on my part would not have changed the fact that this rumor just was
printed--albeit expressly acknowledged as a rumor--in a major New York City
newspaper. And, speaking empirically, have any of you ever heard of man named
"Mordechai" who was not Jewish? There seems to be no dispute among scholars that
this really was Lincoln's great-grandfather's name.

Finally, I fail to see how reporting a rumor of possible Jewish ancestry
"slanders" President Lincoln; actually, by law, one cannot slander a dead person.

This report is everything I know about this topic, all of it learned in the past
few days since the "Post" ran the blurb. If some of you find each other as a
result of connecting over this information, that's wonderful. If even one of you
validates a long-standing family history, that's wonderful, too. Yet, truly, there
is nothing more that I can add to the topic. There's no point writing to me about
it further, and I would suspect that goes equally for the columnist or the
newspaper.

Nonetheless, I am always pleased to get your letters. This correspondence with
Internet penpals around the world is one of the great bonuses of JewishGen.

Judy Segal
New York City


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Abraham Lincoln: Secret Jew? #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 3/14/2005 10:05:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
HeyJudy123@aol.com writes:

< The New York Post, one of New York City's leading daily newspapers, this week
printed a theory that Abraham Lincoln may have been a secret Jew, or descended
from Jews. (The columnist offering the information admitted that this theory is
unsubstantiated.)

< Has any Genner heard a similar rumor (or "bubbemeiser") in his or her own
family? >

==That appears to be an insider joke of the literati. A few weeks ago, a book
(or article) set out to prove he was really a homosexual, and I've heard many
humorous takes on the topic and the reasoning (or evidence) behind it..

==Americans, Jews and Gentiles, seem to have a hankering for "exotic" ancestors.
I've had many people write to me asking me, on the flimsiest of evidence (a
German name, a braided loaf eaten weekends, a dislike for bacon, or a tendency to
say "oy" when they sighed) to confirm that an ancestor was, in fact, Jewish.

==Recently I read in these pages a report about a Catholic priest who knows he's
a Spanish Maranno because his parents had a variety of customs--including playing
with a dreidel around Xmas, apparently ignorant of the fact that the Dreidel is an
Ashkenazi custom and was not part of Sefardi customs.

==I understand that any time a person well known >from the stage, sports or
government dies, there are likely to be lots of queries "Is it true that So-and-so
was Jewish?" that moderators are required, by the jewishgen code, to reject.

==Similarly, Many Jews appear to aspire to Sefardi ancestry in these lists, on
the flimsiest of evidence.

==It's good to learn more and more about our ancestry and the heritage of our
ancestors, but investing energy in desperately seeking exotic ancestry based on
the shakiest of factoids is really a waste of energy and opportunities.

==ALL our ancestors were good and worthy of being remembered by us.

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Abraham Lincoln: Secret Jew? #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

There have been many stories about Abraham Lincoln's origins which grew out of
opposition to him during various elections and the Civil War period as well as the
lack of information about him. It was speculated that he was a Black, a Jew, and
other things. These stories mainly focused on his mother Nancy Hanks whose
origins were cloudy.

Various records and stories have been brought forward attesting to the fact that
Nancy Hanks was actually illegitamate and that she then had an illegitamate child,
Abraham Lincoln. If this is true then it becomes doubly difficult to determine
the origins of Abraham Lincoln.

One of the most persistent rumors was that Abraham Lincoln was the son of John C.
Calhoun, well-known South Carolina politician, whom he looked like. Calhoun was a
frequent patron of a tavern where Nancy Hanks worked. Another that he was the son
of Abraham Enloe, a man who hired Nancy Hanks and then got her pregnant. In all
these accounts, the purported father paid Thomas Lincoln to take the pregnant
Nancy Hanks away and marry her.

All of this is further confused by the many women who were named Nancy Hanks who
abounded in those days, including one who was a relative of Lincoln's mother who
had an illegitamate child.

So, it may never be known what Lincoln's exact orgins were unless DNA testing is
possible.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Abe LINCOLN Update #general

HeyJudy123@...
 

A few days ago, I had posted a report of a rumor printed in the newspaper the "New
York Post," to the effect that Abraham LINCOLN was Jewish. I had made it clear in
this posting that it was not I who made this claim, nor was it made by the "Post"
columnist who reported it.

The website offering the report is
<www.nypost.com/seven/03102005/gossip/cindy.htm> but I do not think that the
column will be accessible for free on-line for much longer. Due to difficulty with
the AOL email program, I unsuccessfully have spent significant time over the past
two days trying to share this website address; I am hoping that this letter gets
through.

To sum up the report: Rabbi Jeff KAHN of Temple Har Shalom in Warren, New Jersey
(USA) presented columnist Cindy ADAMS with the following facts: Lincoln belonged
to no church, his father's paternal grandfather's first name was "Mordechai,"
Mordechai had come to the U.S. >from the town of "Lincoln" in England, a town which
has a Jewish community dating to 1159. Additionally, Rabbi KAHN says that Rabbi
Issac WISE, the founder of the Reform Jewish movement, told people that Lincoln
had told the Rabbi personally that he had Jewish blood himself.

I shared this report in the theory that there may be some JewishGen participant
who has a similar family myth in his or her own family.

Indeed, within hours of my first posting, I did get an email >from another Genner
saying exactly this! A woman in her own mother's Belarus line is reported to have
been the bride of Mordechai Lincoln.

I have received an enormous amount of email on the topic since my posting, over 60
letters in three days. The majority, of course, came >from the USA, but England and
Israel are well-represented. I even received, in translation, a poem >from Russia
about heroic figures, most of whom were Communists, but Lincoln was included.

Another letter said that this rumor is straight out of the "Protocols of Zion;"
I'll admit, it does sound that way. Still another correspondent reported that John
Wilkes BOOTH, too, was Jewish. Several chided me for my gullibility (in my own
defense, I think that my posting made it clear that I was not endorsing the
story.) One correspondent felt that I was indulging in pointless gossip, claiming
that I was slandering this dead President. Another participant said that I should
have done more thorough research before involving JewishGen.

These last comments, to me, are besides the point. I was not endorsing the rumor,
I was sharing it, in the specific hope that it might offer a clue to another
JewishGen participant; in fact, it seems to have done exactly that.

More research on my part would not have changed the fact that this rumor just was
printed--albeit expressly acknowledged as a rumor--in a major New York City
newspaper. And, speaking empirically, have any of you ever heard of man named
"Mordechai" who was not Jewish? There seems to be no dispute among scholars that
this really was Lincoln's great-grandfather's name.

Finally, I fail to see how reporting a rumor of possible Jewish ancestry
"slanders" President Lincoln; actually, by law, one cannot slander a dead person.

This report is everything I know about this topic, all of it learned in the past
few days since the "Post" ran the blurb. If some of you find each other as a
result of connecting over this information, that's wonderful. If even one of you
validates a long-standing family history, that's wonderful, too. Yet, truly, there
is nothing more that I can add to the topic. There's no point writing to me about
it further, and I would suspect that goes equally for the columnist or the
newspaper.

Nonetheless, I am always pleased to get your letters. This correspondence with
Internet penpals around the world is one of the great bonuses of JewishGen.

Judy Segal
New York City


A Railway Joke from Austria-Moravia #austria-czech

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

Dear Friends -

I know that jokes are generally considered off-topic for the List, but I
hope I will be indulged, as this one has a family connection. And after all,
Purim is coming up shortly, so you can consider this as being a Purim spiel

It was told to me by an uncle in Vienna, who travelled a great deal on
business around central/eastern europe. He probably got it >from his father,
and it's obviously of pre-WW1 vintage.

Actually, it's almost impossible to write this joke down, as it depends on
different accents/pronounciations, and it's impossible to understand unless
you speak German and Yiddish and know some pre-WW1 European geography.

But as I heard it, it goes something like this:

A Jew, not long arrived >from the shtetl, goes to the train station in Vienna
and asks the ticket clerk (in broken German with a strong Yiddish accent)

"Laibach willuch - I want to go to Laibach" (Laibach was then Austrian, now
it's Ljubliana in Slovenia)

The clerk doesn't understand his accent and thinks he might want to buy a
ticket to Villach (in Carinthia, near the Italian border)

So he asks "Laibach oder Villach?"

The Jew is confused and retorts:

Willuch Villach, willuch Villach, willuch Laibach, willuch Laibach. Laibach
willuch!!

Has anyone heard this before?

Apologies if you don't get it. But I did try. Gut Yomtov.

Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@iinet.net.au


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech A Railway Joke from Austria-Moravia #austria-czech

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

Dear Friends -

I know that jokes are generally considered off-topic for the List, but I
hope I will be indulged, as this one has a family connection. And after all,
Purim is coming up shortly, so you can consider this as being a Purim spiel

It was told to me by an uncle in Vienna, who travelled a great deal on
business around central/eastern europe. He probably got it >from his father,
and it's obviously of pre-WW1 vintage.

Actually, it's almost impossible to write this joke down, as it depends on
different accents/pronounciations, and it's impossible to understand unless
you speak German and Yiddish and know some pre-WW1 European geography.

But as I heard it, it goes something like this:

A Jew, not long arrived >from the shtetl, goes to the train station in Vienna
and asks the ticket clerk (in broken German with a strong Yiddish accent)

"Laibach willuch - I want to go to Laibach" (Laibach was then Austrian, now
it's Ljubliana in Slovenia)

The clerk doesn't understand his accent and thinks he might want to buy a
ticket to Villach (in Carinthia, near the Italian border)

So he asks "Laibach oder Villach?"

The Jew is confused and retorts:

Willuch Villach, willuch Villach, willuch Laibach, willuch Laibach. Laibach
willuch!!

Has anyone heard this before?

Apologies if you don't get it. But I did try. Gut Yomtov.

Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@iinet.net.au


BERGMANN and VOHREZEK from near Chotebar #austria-czech

Vitdoc@...
 

Today in preparation for visiting and speaking at the LA synagogue where the
torah scroll >from Chotebar resides, I was invited to the Shoah Foundation and
heard the testimony of a survivor >from this small town in S. E. Bohemia near
the district town of Havlicku Brod. Although there was just a prayer room in this
town, we have 5 scrolls as identified as coming >from there or the vicinity.
The Shoah Foundation had more than one testimony but this was the only one in
English. The lady interviewed was on a Kindertransport to England at the age
of 11 and her name is Olga GABAMYIOVA and her married name is Olga GRILLI. She
lived in her grandfather's house in Chotebar and his name was Viem BERGMANN.
Her maternal grandmother's name was Olga VOHREZEK BERGMANOVA. I would be
interested in anyone with any information to share.
Thanks
Susan Boyer
LA CA


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech BERGMANN and VOHREZEK from near Chotebar #austria-czech

Vitdoc@...
 

Today in preparation for visiting and speaking at the LA synagogue where the
torah scroll >from Chotebar resides, I was invited to the Shoah Foundation and
heard the testimony of a survivor >from this small town in S. E. Bohemia near
the district town of Havlicku Brod. Although there was just a prayer room in this
town, we have 5 scrolls as identified as coming >from there or the vicinity.
The Shoah Foundation had more than one testimony but this was the only one in
English. The lady interviewed was on a Kindertransport to England at the age
of 11 and her name is Olga GABAMYIOVA and her married name is Olga GRILLI. She
lived in her grandfather's house in Chotebar and his name was Viem BERGMANN.
Her maternal grandmother's name was Olga VOHREZEK BERGMANOVA. I would be
interested in anyone with any information to share.
Thanks
Susan Boyer
LA CA


LEISEROWITZ from Siauliai (Shavel) Lithuania #rabbinic

ksrand@...
 

I understand that my great-grandfather and my great-great
grandfather were both rabbis in Siauliai (Shavel) Lithuania. Their
names were Mendel and Moses LEISEROWITZ. If anyone has any
information about them (or the family), I would love to hear from
you.

Please respond privately to < ksrand@aol.com >.

Thank you,
Kathy Rand

Researching: LEISEROWITZ, STERN, ABRAMOVICH, RAND, HOLTZ, LEWKOWITZ,
MUSINGER


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic LEISEROWITZ from Siauliai (Shavel) Lithuania #rabbinic

ksrand@...
 

I understand that my great-grandfather and my great-great
grandfather were both rabbis in Siauliai (Shavel) Lithuania. Their
names were Mendel and Moses LEISEROWITZ. If anyone has any
information about them (or the family), I would love to hear from
you.

Please respond privately to < ksrand@aol.com >.

Thank you,
Kathy Rand

Researching: LEISEROWITZ, STERN, ABRAMOVICH, RAND, HOLTZ, LEWKOWITZ,
MUSINGER


Re: Identification of GGM's Birthplace---Kownati query #belarus

Martin Fischer
 

Paul Auerbach <PAuerbach@yahoo.com> wrote, in part:
I'm having trouble identifying the birthplace of my great grandmother,
and was hoping one of you might be able to help me. The only thing I'm
fairly certain of is that my GGM was born somewhere in Belarus between 1894
and
1897. According to her Ellis Island passenger record, she was born in
Kownati, Witebsk Gubernia, Russia. I've searched JewishGen's Shtetl
Seeker and other sources extensively, but couldn't find any towns that
sound
like "Kownati" in the Witebsk (Vitebsk) Gubernia.
He also wrote:
Finally, my father thinks my GGM was born in Pinsk, Belarus.
I don't know if this helps much, but a search for Kownati on the Expedia map
Web site at
http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll
brings up:

Konyatin, Chernihiv, Ukraine

and

Kovnyatin, Brest, Belarus

The latter may be of much greater interest because of your father's
reference to Pinsk, which is located only about 10 or 15 miles directly
south of Kovnyatin!

Martin Fischer
Oak Park, Illinois



-----------
The Fischer and Levin family history Web site is at:
http://mefischer1.home.comcast.net/


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Identification of GGM's Birthplace---Kownati query #belarus

Martin Fischer
 

Paul Auerbach <PAuerbach@yahoo.com> wrote, in part:
I'm having trouble identifying the birthplace of my great grandmother,
and was hoping one of you might be able to help me. The only thing I'm
fairly certain of is that my GGM was born somewhere in Belarus between 1894
and
1897. According to her Ellis Island passenger record, she was born in
Kownati, Witebsk Gubernia, Russia. I've searched JewishGen's Shtetl
Seeker and other sources extensively, but couldn't find any towns that
sound
like "Kownati" in the Witebsk (Vitebsk) Gubernia.
He also wrote:
Finally, my father thinks my GGM was born in Pinsk, Belarus.
I don't know if this helps much, but a search for Kownati on the Expedia map
Web site at
http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll
brings up:

Konyatin, Chernihiv, Ukraine

and

Kovnyatin, Brest, Belarus

The latter may be of much greater interest because of your father's
reference to Pinsk, which is located only about 10 or 15 miles directly
south of Kovnyatin!

Martin Fischer
Oak Park, Illinois



-----------
The Fischer and Levin family history Web site is at:
http://mefischer1.home.comcast.net/


JGSLA-March Meeting-"Role of the Family Historian" #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles will be holding our next meeting
on:

Monday, March 21, 2005, 7:30 p.m.

PROGRAM: "The Role of the Family Historian: How Social History Can Complement
Genealogical Research"

SPEAKER:  Joan Adler, Executive Director, Straus Historical Society

Joan Adler doesn't have a single Straus in her own family tree, yet she has
rescued documents, identified relatives, published newsletters, organized
reunions, lobbied the U.S. government, and helped document the film "Titanic" on
behalf of the Strauses - one of America's most prominent Jewish families. She will
share the story of the Straus family and how a small ad in the New York Times led
her to her role as Straus Family Historian. She will illustrate her talk with a
beautiful 3 foot by 4 foot family tree and with family photographs.

Ms. Adler will share her strategies for collecting materials and for obtaining
information - even when family members claim they have no more to give. She writes
a newsletter, which she considers one of her most important research tools.  She
will explain how writing conveys "social history" by placing the story of our
ancestors' lives into the social, economic and political context of their times,
and how you can enhance the picture of your family by putting their vital record
information into a similar context.

Examples of the Straus Historical Society Newsletter and other family newsletters
written by JGSLA members will be on display.  

Their website is: http://www.straushistoricalsociety.org

Location: Valley Cities Jewish Community Center (VCJCC), 13164 Burbank Blvd.,
Van Nuys, CA

Directions: Exit the 405 at Burbank and drive about 3 miles east.  The JCC is on
the right, past Woodman Avenue.  Or, exit the 170 at Burbank and drive about 2
miles west.  The JCC is on the left, past Coldwater Canyon.

JGSLA meetings are free-of-charge and open to guests. Arrive early to look at the
wonderful books and genealogical resources in our Spiszman Traveling Library and
to get assistance >from our experienced members staffing the book table--starting
at 7PM.

Looking forward to seeing you there.

Pamela Weisberger
1st V.P. Programs
Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles
pweisberger@hotmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGSLA-March Meeting-"Role of the Family Historian" #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles will be holding our next meeting
on:

Monday, March 21, 2005, 7:30 p.m.

PROGRAM: "The Role of the Family Historian: How Social History Can Complement
Genealogical Research"

SPEAKER:  Joan Adler, Executive Director, Straus Historical Society

Joan Adler doesn't have a single Straus in her own family tree, yet she has
rescued documents, identified relatives, published newsletters, organized
reunions, lobbied the U.S. government, and helped document the film "Titanic" on
behalf of the Strauses - one of America's most prominent Jewish families. She will
share the story of the Straus family and how a small ad in the New York Times led
her to her role as Straus Family Historian. She will illustrate her talk with a
beautiful 3 foot by 4 foot family tree and with family photographs.

Ms. Adler will share her strategies for collecting materials and for obtaining
information - even when family members claim they have no more to give. She writes
a newsletter, which she considers one of her most important research tools.  She
will explain how writing conveys "social history" by placing the story of our
ancestors' lives into the social, economic and political context of their times,
and how you can enhance the picture of your family by putting their vital record
information into a similar context.

Examples of the Straus Historical Society Newsletter and other family newsletters
written by JGSLA members will be on display.  

Their website is: http://www.straushistoricalsociety.org

Location: Valley Cities Jewish Community Center (VCJCC), 13164 Burbank Blvd.,
Van Nuys, CA

Directions: Exit the 405 at Burbank and drive about 3 miles east.  The JCC is on
the right, past Woodman Avenue.  Or, exit the 170 at Burbank and drive about 2
miles west.  The JCC is on the left, past Coldwater Canyon.

JGSLA meetings are free-of-charge and open to guests. Arrive early to look at the
wonderful books and genealogical resources in our Spiszman Traveling Library and
to get assistance >from our experienced members staffing the book table--starting
at 7PM.

Looking forward to seeing you there.

Pamela Weisberger
1st V.P. Programs
Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles
pweisberger@hotmail.com


JGS of Long Island Meeting #general

Jackie Wasserstein
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Long Island invites you to join us at our Sunday,
March 27 meeting.

Topic: Computerizing Indexes of New York Records

Time: 2:00PM
Place: Mid-Island Y JCC 45 Manetto Hill Rd Plainview, NY

Our guest speaker is John Martino, one of the founding members of the Italian
Genealogical Group. John has organized volunteers to create many online databases
of indexes to New York records. These indexes include, Kings, Bronx, Suffolk,
Nassau, Southern and Eastern District Naturalizations. He is currently
computerizing vital records at the Municipal archives. Already completed are New
York City death records for 1891-1929 and Groom's index for 1895 - 1936. His crew
is currently working on the New York City Bride's Index for 1871 - 1937. Many of
these databases are available online at
www.italiangen.org.

Admission is free and all are welcome. Refreshments will be served.
Our Mavens are available at 1:30PM to take your genealogy questions.

For more information please contact Rhoda, rmiller871@aol.com

Jackie Wasserstein
Past President


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Long Island Meeting #general

Jackie Wasserstein
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Long Island invites you to join us at our Sunday,
March 27 meeting.

Topic: Computerizing Indexes of New York Records

Time: 2:00PM
Place: Mid-Island Y JCC 45 Manetto Hill Rd Plainview, NY

Our guest speaker is John Martino, one of the founding members of the Italian
Genealogical Group. John has organized volunteers to create many online databases
of indexes to New York records. These indexes include, Kings, Bronx, Suffolk,
Nassau, Southern and Eastern District Naturalizations. He is currently
computerizing vital records at the Municipal archives. Already completed are New
York City death records for 1891-1929 and Groom's index for 1895 - 1936. His crew
is currently working on the New York City Bride's Index for 1871 - 1937. Many of
these databases are available online at
www.italiangen.org.

Admission is free and all are welcome. Refreshments will be served.
Our Mavens are available at 1:30PM to take your genealogy questions.

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Jackie Wasserstein
Past President


Meislish family- Lask #galicia

Pnina Meislish <pniname@...>
 

Dear Gesher Galicia friends,
Moshe Menachem Ekstein, who lives in Jerusalem, asked me about the brothers:
Menachem Nachum and Nathan Scwarz, sons of Joseph Mordechai. He thinks that
their former name was Meislish. They came >from Elazae Leib, who wrote "
Semen Rokeach". Mr. Ekstein thinks that this family came >from Lask. He asked
the descedents of David Dov Meislish, who was the Chasidic Rav of
Uihel-Hungary and came to >from Lask, but they did not know.

The family of Mr. Ekstein is also relatad to Raphael ben Chaim Meislish who
wrote Tosfot Shabat.

We will apreciate any help.

Many thanks and Chodesh Tov,
Pnina Meislish, Jerusalem.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Meislish family- Lask #galicia

Pnina Meislish <pniname@...>
 

Dear Gesher Galicia friends,
Moshe Menachem Ekstein, who lives in Jerusalem, asked me about the brothers:
Menachem Nachum and Nathan Scwarz, sons of Joseph Mordechai. He thinks that
their former name was Meislish. They came >from Elazae Leib, who wrote "
Semen Rokeach". Mr. Ekstein thinks that this family came >from Lask. He asked
the descedents of David Dov Meislish, who was the Chasidic Rav of
Uihel-Hungary and came to >from Lask, but they did not know.

The family of Mr. Ekstein is also relatad to Raphael ben Chaim Meislish who
wrote Tosfot Shabat.

We will apreciate any help.

Many thanks and Chodesh Tov,
Pnina Meislish, Jerusalem.