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Dutch Naming #unitedkingdom

malcolm katz <malkikatz9361@...>
 

Many thanks for the debate on parish registers and
Sephardi naming.
Well im getting a lot of answers,The jury is out on
Parish registers as there are lots of answers but i
think we will never know,maybe a multitude of reasons.

On Sephardi namings never after a living parent and
the majority of Dutch jews by 1690 in London being
Askanasi i have to differ.
I would say the majority of the Tenterground Jews were
the other way around,It would be intresting to see the
amount of weddings in Bevis Marks as opposed to The
great Synagogue up to say 1850.
The current London Hospital the main Hospital for East
London was originaly The Portuguese Hospital.
Its was of fair size,I cannot think of an equivelent
at the time,Correct me if im wrong but Bevis Marks is
the oldest synagogue in London.
I think that the latter Ashkanasi mass immigration
steamrolled this fascinating long time established
community of which there are many records,Of the 8
originals that came here in my tree 7 are Bevis and
one was >from Regensburg and Great synagogue.
I havnt even got back to Holland yet on 6 and there
1720'is so far.
So yes they were small compared to later but at the
time i would say they were the majority community for
a long time.
As for Sephardi namings after the grandparents and not
parents.Well ive got dozens of them after the parent
while still alive mostly >from Amsterdam and Sephardi
circa 1620 to 1850's after this the trend seems to
stop.
Kind regards
Malki Katz



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JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Dutch Naming #unitedkingdom

malcolm katz <malkikatz9361@...>
 

Many thanks for the debate on parish registers and
Sephardi naming.
Well im getting a lot of answers,The jury is out on
Parish registers as there are lots of answers but i
think we will never know,maybe a multitude of reasons.

On Sephardi namings never after a living parent and
the majority of Dutch jews by 1690 in London being
Askanasi i have to differ.
I would say the majority of the Tenterground Jews were
the other way around,It would be intresting to see the
amount of weddings in Bevis Marks as opposed to The
great Synagogue up to say 1850.
The current London Hospital the main Hospital for East
London was originaly The Portuguese Hospital.
Its was of fair size,I cannot think of an equivelent
at the time,Correct me if im wrong but Bevis Marks is
the oldest synagogue in London.
I think that the latter Ashkanasi mass immigration
steamrolled this fascinating long time established
community of which there are many records,Of the 8
originals that came here in my tree 7 are Bevis and
one was >from Regensburg and Great synagogue.
I havnt even got back to Holland yet on 6 and there
1720'is so far.
So yes they were small compared to later but at the
time i would say they were the majority community for
a long time.
As for Sephardi namings after the grandparents and not
parents.Well ive got dozens of them after the parent
while still alive mostly >from Amsterdam and Sephardi
circa 1620 to 1850's after this the trend seems to
stop.
Kind regards
Malki Katz



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Ilintsy, Lukashevsky #ukraine

June Brumer <jlbrumer@...>
 

I am researching the family of my grandparents, MECHEL and JENNIE
LUKASHEVSKY (sp?), who left ILNICE (now ILINTSY) in Ukrkaine in 1904, 1905,
1906. They changed their names to MAX and JENNIE LEVINE. Their children's
names were Esther, Pessie, Gussie, William, and Harry. Some of the members
of their family (not their children) changed their name to LUCAS. Some of
their relatives were HEIM LIEB and MEREL ROSS. All of them settled in New
York, most of them in Brooklyn. If you have any information about this
family, please respond to this e-mail, and we can share what we know. Many
thanks.

June Brumer, Oakland, California

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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Ilintsy, Lukashevsky #ukraine

June Brumer <jlbrumer@...>
 

I am researching the family of my grandparents, MECHEL and JENNIE
LUKASHEVSKY (sp?), who left ILNICE (now ILINTSY) in Ukrkaine in 1904, 1905,
1906. They changed their names to MAX and JENNIE LEVINE. Their children's
names were Esther, Pessie, Gussie, William, and Harry. Some of the members
of their family (not their children) changed their name to LUCAS. Some of
their relatives were HEIM LIEB and MEREL ROSS. All of them settled in New
York, most of them in Brooklyn. If you have any information about this
family, please respond to this e-mail, and we can share what we know. Many
thanks.

June Brumer, Oakland, California

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Sefer Malitza Aish #general

henry schwartz <henry@...>
 

Hi All,

I am trying to find the Sefer Malitza Aish it is a
sefer that lists names with the yurtziet >from pre war
rabbonim. It has 3 volumns. Does anyone have it

thank You

Henry schwartz

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Sefer Malitza Aish #general

henry schwartz <henry@...>
 

Hi All,

I am trying to find the Sefer Malitza Aish it is a
sefer that lists names with the yurtziet >from pre war
rabbonim. It has 3 volumns. Does anyone have it

thank You

Henry schwartz

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JewishGen's special interest group for rabbinical genealogy. See
<http://www.jewishgen.org/Rabbinic/> for further information.


Re: Finland emigration port site #general

Jules Levin
 

At 07:38 AM 5/16/2006, you wrote:

At the JGSGB conference at the weekend a Finnish website was mentioned
that has details of people leaving >from Finnish ports to UK and US at
the turn of the century. This was potentially useful to people looking
for their families at the point of departure >from the Baltic states.
However I didn't get the name of the site if anyone has it I'd be
greatful for it.
Ben Forman
Manchester UK
I also would like to have this information. Perhaps this will encourage
me to start bringing my own questions to the group. My mgmother with her
parents left St Petersburg Russia in 1891. I do not know the details of
their travel to the US, except that they travelled first class. I've
assumed they left >from a German port or directly >from St Pete, but my
mggmother's family lived in Helsingfors (Helsinki), which the family would
visit, so perhaps they did leave >from a Finnish port (of course belonging
to Russia at that time). Any suggestions on how to proceed on research would be
helpful. (Soundex on their unusual name (Favisovich) turned up nothing re Ellis
Island, which of course was just getting up and running at that time.) By the
way, did First Class passengers (who perhaps came as visitors, with the option
of leaving if not satisfied) have to go through the same immigrant processing?
Jules Levin
Los Angeles


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Finland emigration port site #general

Jules Levin
 

At 07:38 AM 5/16/2006, you wrote:

At the JGSGB conference at the weekend a Finnish website was mentioned
that has details of people leaving >from Finnish ports to UK and US at
the turn of the century. This was potentially useful to people looking
for their families at the point of departure >from the Baltic states.
However I didn't get the name of the site if anyone has it I'd be
greatful for it.
Ben Forman
Manchester UK
I also would like to have this information. Perhaps this will encourage
me to start bringing my own questions to the group. My mgmother with her
parents left St Petersburg Russia in 1891. I do not know the details of
their travel to the US, except that they travelled first class. I've
assumed they left >from a German port or directly >from St Pete, but my
mggmother's family lived in Helsingfors (Helsinki), which the family would
visit, so perhaps they did leave >from a Finnish port (of course belonging
to Russia at that time). Any suggestions on how to proceed on research would be
helpful. (Soundex on their unusual name (Favisovich) turned up nothing re Ellis
Island, which of course was just getting up and running at that time.) By the
way, did First Class passengers (who perhaps came as visitors, with the option
of leaving if not satisfied) have to go through the same immigrant processing?
Jules Levin
Los Angeles


Re: Evelyn Filippi's searches: ARAK, EBENSTEIN #general

Yisrael Asper
 

My mother's mother's father was a Rav Shmuel (Sternklar) ARAK brotherinlaw of
Rav Meir Arak and brother of Evelyn Filippi's father's father's mother Dresel
(Yiddish name Dreizel) EBENSTEIN. I enjoy reuniting family like here where
Evelyn and I reconnected our branches. Travel and the war had taken it's toll.
I would like to reconnect with any other ones too.
Yisrael Asper
Pittsburgh PA
yisraelasper@...

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Evelyn Filippi's searches: ARAK, EBENSTEIN #general

Yisrael Asper
 

My mother's mother's father was a Rav Shmuel (Sternklar) ARAK brotherinlaw of
Rav Meir Arak and brother of Evelyn Filippi's father's father's mother Dresel
(Yiddish name Dreizel) EBENSTEIN. I enjoy reuniting family like here where
Evelyn and I reconnected our branches. Travel and the war had taken it's toll.
I would like to reconnect with any other ones too.
Yisrael Asper
Pittsburgh PA
yisraelasper@...

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Jewish Brits Club #unitedkingdom

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

The "Miami Herald" newspaper published an article on Sunday, May 14, 2006,
by Beth Feinstein-Bartl, about a Jewish Brits Club which was co-founded by
Delray Beach, Florida, residents Audrey Spiegel and Ethel Hofman.

The group draws membership of Jewish Brits who now live in Broward and Palm
Beach Counties which are located in South Forida. The group provides
activities and events for the membership and a sharing of their special
Jewish heritage and past.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Jewish Brits Club #unitedkingdom

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

The "Miami Herald" newspaper published an article on Sunday, May 14, 2006,
by Beth Feinstein-Bartl, about a Jewish Brits Club which was co-founded by
Delray Beach, Florida, residents Audrey Spiegel and Ethel Hofman.

The group draws membership of Jewish Brits who now live in Broward and Palm
Beach Counties which are located in South Forida. The group provides
activities and events for the membership and a sharing of their special
Jewish heritage and past.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


Moshe Yom Tov Pal and Vilkomir #general

Shuman, Carl H
 

In listening to a 1982 audiotape of my great Aunt Sarah (nee Pal) Gordon
and Great Uncle Jacob (Yonkel) Gordon I learned for the first time that my
great grandfather, Moshe Yom Tov Pal, was born and later buried in Vilkomir
(now, Ukmerge?), Lithuania with his parents. He was a rabbi and spent
almost all of his adult life in Anyksciai. According to my great Aunt, who
is now deceased, he chose to return to Vilkomir after Aunt Sarah and Uncle
Yonkel settled there after their marriage (around 1920). My family and I
will be visiting Vilnius in August. Does anyone know if the Jewish
cemetery that apparently existed in Vilkomir (now Ukmerge?) still exists
and if so, is it possible to visit it?

I also learned >from the tape that my great grandfather, Moshe Yom Tov, had
a younger brother Aaron, who emigrated to the United States. According to
the Ellis Island manifests, it appears that he arrived in New York in 1899.
I didn't even know he existed! My great aunt refers to the fact that he
had children and refers to the "Harrisons." I believe this is the same
family to whom my mother, Reba Paul Shuman, refers as favorite and generous
relatives in Ardmore who owned a pharmacy which she and my grandfather,
Label Paul, visited. If there are any Harrison descendents >from suburban
Philadelphia who may be Pals/Pauls, I would be very interested in hearing
from you.
Finally, my great grandfather, Moshe Yom Tov, had three wives. His first
wife, Rachel Binder, was my greatgrandmother. His second wife was Aunt
Sarah's mother. I do not know her first name. I learned >from the tape
that the second wife's maiden name was Barron/Baron and that her parents
were wealthy, in the lumber and fishery business, settled along the Latvian
border, and raised Aunt Sarah's sister who remained in Europe, became a
physician, and apparently perished in the Shoa. If anyone has any
Barron/Baron-Pal/Paul connections >from Lithuania and Latvia, I would be
interested in hearing >from you as well.

Thank you.

Carl H. Shuman
Searching for: SZUMOVITZ/SHUMAN (Zembrov); RYBAK (Zembrov); Paul/Pall
(Anyksciai and Vilkomir/Ukmerge); SMOOKLER/SCHMUKLER/SCHMUKLIARSKY (Brest
Litovsk/Iwye?)

MODERATOR NOTE: The first place to check for cemetery information is the IAJGS
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Lithuania-->U at <http://www.jewishgen.org/cemetery/e-europe/lith-S-Z.html#U>,
you will find that the stones in the Ukmerge cemetery have been reported missing.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Moshe Yom Tov Pal and Vilkomir #general

Shuman, Carl H
 

In listening to a 1982 audiotape of my great Aunt Sarah (nee Pal) Gordon
and Great Uncle Jacob (Yonkel) Gordon I learned for the first time that my
great grandfather, Moshe Yom Tov Pal, was born and later buried in Vilkomir
(now, Ukmerge?), Lithuania with his parents. He was a rabbi and spent
almost all of his adult life in Anyksciai. According to my great Aunt, who
is now deceased, he chose to return to Vilkomir after Aunt Sarah and Uncle
Yonkel settled there after their marriage (around 1920). My family and I
will be visiting Vilnius in August. Does anyone know if the Jewish
cemetery that apparently existed in Vilkomir (now Ukmerge?) still exists
and if so, is it possible to visit it?

I also learned >from the tape that my great grandfather, Moshe Yom Tov, had
a younger brother Aaron, who emigrated to the United States. According to
the Ellis Island manifests, it appears that he arrived in New York in 1899.
I didn't even know he existed! My great aunt refers to the fact that he
had children and refers to the "Harrisons." I believe this is the same
family to whom my mother, Reba Paul Shuman, refers as favorite and generous
relatives in Ardmore who owned a pharmacy which she and my grandfather,
Label Paul, visited. If there are any Harrison descendents >from suburban
Philadelphia who may be Pals/Pauls, I would be very interested in hearing
from you.
Finally, my great grandfather, Moshe Yom Tov, had three wives. His first
wife, Rachel Binder, was my greatgrandmother. His second wife was Aunt
Sarah's mother. I do not know her first name. I learned >from the tape
that the second wife's maiden name was Barron/Baron and that her parents
were wealthy, in the lumber and fishery business, settled along the Latvian
border, and raised Aunt Sarah's sister who remained in Europe, became a
physician, and apparently perished in the Shoa. If anyone has any
Barron/Baron-Pal/Paul connections >from Lithuania and Latvia, I would be
interested in hearing >from you as well.

Thank you.

Carl H. Shuman
Searching for: SZUMOVITZ/SHUMAN (Zembrov); RYBAK (Zembrov); Paul/Pall
(Anyksciai and Vilkomir/Ukmerge); SMOOKLER/SCHMUKLER/SCHMUKLIARSKY (Brest
Litovsk/Iwye?)

MODERATOR NOTE: The first place to check for cemetery information is the IAJGS
Jewish Cemetery Project, hosted by JewishGen. Checking under Eastern Europe-->
Lithuania-->U at <http://www.jewishgen.org/cemetery/e-europe/lith-S-Z.html#U>,
you will find that the stones in the Ukmerge cemetery have been reported missing.


Re: Writing on a matzeiva #rabbinic

Larry Tauber <ltauber@...>
 

On 2006.05.14, Shoshana L. Boublil <toramada@...> wrote:

The matzeiva also states that he "Hirbitz Torah BaRabim" and [...]
"Shiyef v'eal, shiyef venafak" [...]
Why would this be inscribed on a kever? Does the usage give a hint
to the place this man came from?
Regarding the inscription "Hirbitz Torah BaRabim" which means he
spread Torah to the public, this can mean anything >from him being a
teacher (in any type of Yeshiva, for children or more advanced, or
even giving informal classes), or someone who supported education
(e.g., monetarily).

The second inscription meaning stooping or bending on entering a
room and on going out is an expression to connate that he was an
extremely humble man, which is considered an extremely desirable
and complimentary character trait.

Larry Tauber
New York, New York


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic RE: Writing on a matzeiva #rabbinic

Larry Tauber <ltauber@...>
 

On 2006.05.14, Shoshana L. Boublil <toramada@...> wrote:

The matzeiva also states that he "Hirbitz Torah BaRabim" and [...]
"Shiyef v'eal, shiyef venafak" [...]
Why would this be inscribed on a kever? Does the usage give a hint
to the place this man came from?
Regarding the inscription "Hirbitz Torah BaRabim" which means he
spread Torah to the public, this can mean anything >from him being a
teacher (in any type of Yeshiva, for children or more advanced, or
even giving informal classes), or someone who supported education
(e.g., monetarily).

The second inscription meaning stooping or bending on entering a
room and on going out is an expression to connate that he was an
extremely humble man, which is considered an extremely desirable
and complimentary character trait.

Larry Tauber
New York, New York


R' Shalom Mordechai HaCohen SCHWADRON #rabbinic

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

Dear Friends,

I am seeking help with family SCHWADRON.

from a 1921 Ellis Island entrance to New York &#150; Simon and Marif
SCHWADRON (who became known as Samuel and Mary) were born in
Podkamen (was Galicia, then Poland, now Ukraine) and last place of
residence was Cwitowa.

Simon was born in 1892 and Mary 1893 - I have knowledge of their
descendants.

The family wish to know if they are in fact descended >from the
famous Rabbi Shalom Mordechai HaCohen SCHWADRON &#150; born in 1835 in a
village in the Zelochov district in Eastern Galicia.

We do know that Simon&#146;'s parents were Joshua and Beatrice,
apparently they too came to the United States, although I cannot
find their entry details, I presume their original names would have
been Aviezer and Beila? &#150; please feel free to correct me&#133;.. they
must have been born in abt. the 1860&#146;s-70&#146;s.

Does anyone have a SCHWADRON family tree that bears the above names?

Additionally we would like to find out if Simon had other siblings,
we only know of one, a sister called Regina born in 1901.- she also
entered Ellis Island in 1921.

Any information on the SCHWADRON family would be gratefully
appreciated.

Thank you

Patricia Wilson (Israel)


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic R' Shalom Mordechai HaCohen SCHWADRON #rabbinic

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

Dear Friends,

I am seeking help with family SCHWADRON.

from a 1921 Ellis Island entrance to New York &#150; Simon and Marif
SCHWADRON (who became known as Samuel and Mary) were born in
Podkamen (was Galicia, then Poland, now Ukraine) and last place of
residence was Cwitowa.

Simon was born in 1892 and Mary 1893 - I have knowledge of their
descendants.

The family wish to know if they are in fact descended >from the
famous Rabbi Shalom Mordechai HaCohen SCHWADRON &#150; born in 1835 in a
village in the Zelochov district in Eastern Galicia.

We do know that Simon&#146;'s parents were Joshua and Beatrice,
apparently they too came to the United States, although I cannot
find their entry details, I presume their original names would have
been Aviezer and Beila? &#150; please feel free to correct me&#133;.. they
must have been born in abt. the 1860&#146;s-70&#146;s.

Does anyone have a SCHWADRON family tree that bears the above names?

Additionally we would like to find out if Simon had other siblings,
we only know of one, a sister called Regina born in 1901.- she also
entered Ellis Island in 1921.

Any information on the SCHWADRON family would be gratefully
appreciated.

Thank you

Patricia Wilson (Israel)


Re: Details, Please! JGFF, Please! [was: Searching WESTREICH family] #general

Bubby <yeruchem18@...>
 

To be more specific, I am looking for relatives of Minnie WESTREICH.

I found a 1900 census listing for a WESTREICH family in Manhattan listing
the parents as Samuel and Pearl, children as Dora, William, Minnie, Michael
and Dora. There may have been two brothers born later named Louis and
Milton. The parents and oldest 4 children are listed in the census as having
come >from "Austria." Specific town is unknown. Samuel and Pearl are not
found in later censuses.

In the 1930 census is listed a William married to Ida COHEN. Michael is not
married as of 1930 and lives with Louis and Milton, both listed as brothers.

Minnie Westreich married Henry SCHALL in 1912. The Schall family came >from
"Austria" as well, again the town is unknown. Henry was the son of Jacob
and Dora.

Fraida Cohen

(P.S. to Roger: I thought the Schall surname was already on my JGFF list and
now I see that it was not there. Thanks for bringing this to my attention;
I added it.)


"Roger Lustig" <julierog@...> wrote in message

--Please tell us a little about where and when the WESTREICHs might have
lived. For that matter, where did your SCHALLs come from? There are some
in my ancestral neighborhood, but far more >from elsewhere.

--Please register your interest in both families on the JewishGen Family
Finder. Far fewer Jewish genealogists read this discussion group than the
200,000 who have registered their interests there. JGFF makes it easy to
contact other WESTREICH researchers directly.


Rabbinic Yichus Brief #rabbinic

Evelyn Filippi
 

I just received a yichus brief including what appear to be many
references to famous rabbis. I would appreciate very much if
someone could help me in translating it into English. I have
placed a copy in viewmate:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7839

Please respond privately to me at the address found at the bottom
of this message.

Thank you.
Evelyn Filippi
New York, USA