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Prince Otto 1811 Courland Residence document #latvia

Ben Forman
 

Hi Genners

I recently uploaded to 'Viewmate an excerpt >from an 1811 residence
list for Hazenpoth which includes a reference to one of my ancestors,
one line reads:

"not previously registered, moved to here recently >from Prince Otto" a
translation of the German

"ist nirgends verzeichnet gewesen und vom Fürsten Otto kürzlich
eingezogen"

Is anyone able to shed any light on what this might mean?

Thanks

Ben
Ben Forman
Manchester UK,(currently exiled in London)

searching: BENSON: Hasenpoth/Courland;
BERNSTEIN/WEINER: Ylakai;
CAHN/CAHEN/WOLF: Zuendorf/Bruhl/Lechenich/Ahrweiler;
FURMAN: Kaluszyn;
GEVER: Daugavpils/Dvinsk;
SAWADY: Zavadi,Posen;
Latvia SIG #Latvia Prince Otto 1811 Courland Residence document #latvia

Ben Forman
 

Hi Genners

I recently uploaded to 'Viewmate an excerpt >from an 1811 residence
list for Hazenpoth which includes a reference to one of my ancestors,
one line reads:

"not previously registered, moved to here recently >from Prince Otto" a
translation of the German

"ist nirgends verzeichnet gewesen und vom Fürsten Otto kürzlich
eingezogen"

Is anyone able to shed any light on what this might mean?

Thanks

Ben
Ben Forman
Manchester UK,(currently exiled in London)

searching: BENSON: Hasenpoth/Courland;
BERNSTEIN/WEINER: Ylakai;
CAHN/CAHEN/WOLF: Zuendorf/Bruhl/Lechenich/Ahrweiler;
FURMAN: Kaluszyn;
GEVER: Daugavpils/Dvinsk;
SAWADY: Zavadi,Posen;
Viewmate #23604 Is this Meir SARON? #latvia

Jo Ann Goldwater
 

I have just posted a photo on Viewmate #23604 that I believe is Meir
SARON of Zagare. The photo was sent to me a few years ago and it had
"Mayor of Zagare" written on the back. I just came across some
information that leads me to believe it is Meir Saron, who lived >from
ca 1810 to 1885. The Sarons are related to me through my grandmother,
Bertha Kahn Goldwater.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM23604

If there are any Sarons out there, please have a look and confirm this
for me. Over the years I have found wonderful people out there who are
very helpful. Thanks to everyone,

Jo Ann Goldwater
Montreal Canada

Researching GOLDWASSER, Akmene, Zagare, Riga, KAGAN Zagare, Riga, Moscow,
ABRAHAMS, Zagare Riga, SARON Zagare, Riga, BASKIN, Zagare, Riga

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Latvia SIG #Latvia Viewmate #23604 Is this Meir SARON? #latvia

Jo Ann Goldwater
 

I have just posted a photo on Viewmate #23604 that I believe is Meir
SARON of Zagare. The photo was sent to me a few years ago and it had
"Mayor of Zagare" written on the back. I just came across some
information that leads me to believe it is Meir Saron, who lived >from
ca 1810 to 1885. The Sarons are related to me through my grandmother,
Bertha Kahn Goldwater.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM23604

If there are any Sarons out there, please have a look and confirm this
for me. Over the years I have found wonderful people out there who are
very helpful. Thanks to everyone,

Jo Ann Goldwater
Montreal Canada

Researching GOLDWASSER, Akmene, Zagare, Riga, KAGAN Zagare, Riga, Moscow,
ABRAHAMS, Zagare Riga, SARON Zagare, Riga, BASKIN, Zagare, Riga

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately or on the ViewMate response form.
Wife of R' Yitzchak SPITZKOPF, AB"D of Krakow #rabbinic

isak@bm.technion.ac.il
 

Dear Genners
R' Yitzchak SPITZKOPF, father of Vitta who was married to R' Yechezkel
Landau of Opatow, was AB"D of several towns in Poland, last position in
Krakow. Several sources claim that R' Yitzchak Spitzkopf married the
daughter of R' Nachum of Zusmir (Sandomierz). The question is, which
Nachum?
In the book "The unbroken chain" page 730 the date of death of R'
Yitzchk Spitzkopf is given as 1783. In page 459 the date given is 1683.
In the same book Nachum of Zusmir is said to die 25 years old, leaving a
pregnanat wife who bore him a son. This Nachum of Zusmir could by no
means be the father-in-law of R' Yitzchak Spizkopf as as he lived in the
middle of the 18th century, the same period as the great grandchildren of
R' Yitzchak Spitzkopf. There was most probably another R' Nachum of
Zusmir, reported in "Letoldot Hakehilot BePolin" (R' Tzvi Hirsch Hurvitz,
AB"D of Dresden) in page 487.
Does anybody of you have additional information and/or reliable sources to
explain the above?
Thank you
Isak Gath, Haifa
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Wife of R' Yitzchak SPITZKOPF, AB"D of Krakow #rabbinic

isak@bm.technion.ac.il
 

Dear Genners
R' Yitzchak SPITZKOPF, father of Vitta who was married to R' Yechezkel
Landau of Opatow, was AB"D of several towns in Poland, last position in
Krakow. Several sources claim that R' Yitzchak Spitzkopf married the
daughter of R' Nachum of Zusmir (Sandomierz). The question is, which
Nachum?
In the book "The unbroken chain" page 730 the date of death of R'
Yitzchk Spitzkopf is given as 1783. In page 459 the date given is 1683.
In the same book Nachum of Zusmir is said to die 25 years old, leaving a
pregnanat wife who bore him a son. This Nachum of Zusmir could by no
means be the father-in-law of R' Yitzchak Spizkopf as as he lived in the
middle of the 18th century, the same period as the great grandchildren of
R' Yitzchak Spitzkopf. There was most probably another R' Nachum of
Zusmir, reported in "Letoldot Hakehilot BePolin" (R' Tzvi Hirsch Hurvitz,
AB"D of Dresden) in page 487.
Does anybody of you have additional information and/or reliable sources to
explain the above?
Thank you
Isak Gath, Haifa
Wife or wives of R' Tzvi Hirsch Landau of Opatow #rabbinic

isak@bm.technion.ac.il
 

Dear Genners
R' Tzvi Hirsch Landau (Hirsch Vitts of Opatow 1640-1718) was married,
according to "Letoldot Hakehilot Bepolin" of R' Tvi Hirsch Hurvitz of
Dresden (and according to many other sources) to Sara Oettingen
(Ittinga, in old Jewish spelling). Sara was the daughter of the
physician Dr. Naftali Hirtz Oettingen of Przemisl. However, in the Web
site of the commercial genealogy site "Geni", another wife, Chaia, is
mentioned. I have checked around and could not verify by any reliable
source that R' Tzvi Hirsch Landau had two wives. However, in a family
tree diagram in the book "The unbroken chain", this chaia is drawn as a
daughter of Dr. Naftali Hirtz Oettingen. Is this the source of the
misleading information?
Thank you all
Isak Gath, Haifa
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Wife or wives of R' Tzvi Hirsch Landau of Opatow #rabbinic

isak@bm.technion.ac.il
 

Dear Genners
R' Tzvi Hirsch Landau (Hirsch Vitts of Opatow 1640-1718) was married,
according to "Letoldot Hakehilot Bepolin" of R' Tvi Hirsch Hurvitz of
Dresden (and according to many other sources) to Sara Oettingen
(Ittinga, in old Jewish spelling). Sara was the daughter of the
physician Dr. Naftali Hirtz Oettingen of Przemisl. However, in the Web
site of the commercial genealogy site "Geni", another wife, Chaia, is
mentioned. I have checked around and could not verify by any reliable
source that R' Tzvi Hirsch Landau had two wives. However, in a family
tree diagram in the book "The unbroken chain", this chaia is drawn as a
daughter of Dr. Naftali Hirtz Oettingen. Is this the source of the
misleading information?
Thank you all
Isak Gath, Haifa
HALPERN Genealogy #rabbinic

Gilbert Hendlisz <gilbert.hendlisz@...>
 

Hello to the group,

A fellow genealogist has sent me a family tree of one branch of the
rabbinical HEILPRIN family. I have a question about the descendancy of
Rabbi Eliezer Lipman Heilprin, ABD Tiktin, born, around 1575. His second
wife was Margula bat Naftali Tzvi Hirsch Schor.

According to this family tree, one of his sons would have been
Avraham, living during the 17th century who had at least three children:
a daughter, a son called Yechiel Michel and another son called Beniamin
Wolf who died in Lublin in 1704. It is in the descendancy of this
Beniamin Wolf that I am interested;
The tree mentions only a son, Meir, who died in 1722 married with a
daughter of a Levite. Are there other children ?
The tree also shows two children to this Meir: a daughter, Dobrush/
Dvorah and a son, David who was married with a girl >from the Halberstam
family.
I would like very much to have informations about this David, his wife
and who were their children.

It seems that the source of this tree would be the book Meorei Galicia
by Rabbi Meir Vunder, but there were maby other sources about this
branch of the Heilprin family.
If someone has this book at his disposal or other relevant sources on
this matter, I would be very gratefull.

Thanks in advance,

Gilbert Hendlisz (Brussels)
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic HALPERN Genealogy #rabbinic

Gilbert Hendlisz <gilbert.hendlisz@...>
 

Hello to the group,

A fellow genealogist has sent me a family tree of one branch of the
rabbinical HEILPRIN family. I have a question about the descendancy of
Rabbi Eliezer Lipman Heilprin, ABD Tiktin, born, around 1575. His second
wife was Margula bat Naftali Tzvi Hirsch Schor.

According to this family tree, one of his sons would have been
Avraham, living during the 17th century who had at least three children:
a daughter, a son called Yechiel Michel and another son called Beniamin
Wolf who died in Lublin in 1704. It is in the descendancy of this
Beniamin Wolf that I am interested;
The tree mentions only a son, Meir, who died in 1722 married with a
daughter of a Levite. Are there other children ?
The tree also shows two children to this Meir: a daughter, Dobrush/
Dvorah and a son, David who was married with a girl >from the Halberstam
family.
I would like very much to have informations about this David, his wife
and who were their children.

It seems that the source of this tree would be the book Meorei Galicia
by Rabbi Meir Vunder, but there were maby other sources about this
branch of the Heilprin family.
If someone has this book at his disposal or other relevant sources on
this matter, I would be very gratefull.

Thanks in advance,

Gilbert Hendlisz (Brussels)
Re: Question concerning tombstones #rabbinic

Ben Turin
 

MOH"R is often used an an honorific for an individual who was a
knowledgeable learned lay-person. I have a number of those in my
family as well.

From: Michael Waas <mwaas1989@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:32:54 -0400
I have a question that has come up lately that I'd like to see
answered. In my family and in a relative's family, we have a few
ancestors and associated family with the notation of MOH''R on their
tombstones. Yet, for all of the deceased, we have absolutely no record
of them as a rabbi (thus far). As far as I know, the appelation of
Moreinu HaRav only appears on the matsevot of rabbis.
--
Ben Turin
www.genetrail.com
Re: Question concerning tombstones #rabbinic

Lynn Saul <lynnsaul@...>
 

The designation "morenu" is our teacher--probably considered a rabbi
because of Jewish scholarship. Not all were "Official graduates" as
we have today.
I recommend the book "Lithuanian Yeshivot of the 19th c" by Stampfer
and also his book "Families Rabbis and Education" for an overview of
your ancestor's situation. (mine too, one a dayan amd the other moreh.)

Lynn Saul

From: Michael Waas <mwaas1989@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:32:54 -0400
I have a question that has come up lately that I'd like to see
answered. In my family and in a relative's family, we have a few
ancestors and associated family with the notation of MOH''R on their
tombstones. Yet, for all of the deceased, we have absolutely no record
of them as a rabbi (thus far). As far as I know, the appelation of
Moreinu HaRav only appears on the matsevot of rabbis.
...
Re: Question concerning tombstones #rabbinic

Shlomo Katz
 

from my observations, that acronym was very liberally used on
tombstones as well as on ketubot and other documents. It seems to
have been similar to the way we call people "Reb so-and-so" today.
Shlomo Katz
Silver Spring MD
Re: Question concerning tombstones #rabbinic

Michael Waas
 

Hi,

I want to thank everyone who has responded so far. I've received some
very thoughtful answers on the issue.

Best,

Michael Waas
Miami, FL
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Question concerning tombstones #rabbinic

Ben Turin
 

MOH"R is often used an an honorific for an individual who was a
knowledgeable learned lay-person. I have a number of those in my
family as well.

From: Michael Waas <mwaas1989@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:32:54 -0400
I have a question that has come up lately that I'd like to see
answered. In my family and in a relative's family, we have a few
ancestors and associated family with the notation of MOH''R on their
tombstones. Yet, for all of the deceased, we have absolutely no record
of them as a rabbi (thus far). As far as I know, the appelation of
Moreinu HaRav only appears on the matsevot of rabbis.
--
Ben Turin
www.genetrail.com
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Question concerning tombstones #rabbinic

Lynn Saul <lynnsaul@...>
 

The designation "morenu" is our teacher--probably considered a rabbi
because of Jewish scholarship. Not all were "Official graduates" as
we have today.
I recommend the book "Lithuanian Yeshivot of the 19th c" by Stampfer
and also his book "Families Rabbis and Education" for an overview of
your ancestor's situation. (mine too, one a dayan amd the other moreh.)

Lynn Saul

From: Michael Waas <mwaas1989@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:32:54 -0400
I have a question that has come up lately that I'd like to see
answered. In my family and in a relative's family, we have a few
ancestors and associated family with the notation of MOH''R on their
tombstones. Yet, for all of the deceased, we have absolutely no record
of them as a rabbi (thus far). As far as I know, the appelation of
Moreinu HaRav only appears on the matsevot of rabbis.
...
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Question concerning tombstones #rabbinic

Shlomo Katz
 

from my observations, that acronym was very liberally used on
tombstones as well as on ketubot and other documents. It seems to
have been similar to the way we call people "Reb so-and-so" today.
Shlomo Katz
Silver Spring MD
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Question concerning tombstones #rabbinic

Michael Waas
 

Hi,

I want to thank everyone who has responded so far. I've received some
very thoughtful answers on the issue.

Best,

Michael Waas
Miami, FL
Re: Civil Registrations #hungary

tom
 

i don't know if there are any lists of emigrants after the
revolution, since most of them left illegally as refugees. at the
time, entire trainloads, often including the train crew, crossed the
border into austria, without proper travel documents, and requested
asylum.

i know a little bit about my own family, where we had to pretend that
my father had abandoned us (my mother and me), so that the government
wouldn't confiscate our property. and because all mail was being
monitored, our letters were not addressed to him, and we had to be
careful with what we said.

as an interesting footnote, we left after the revolution on legal
exit passports, which were quite rare. and if there is, probably, a
record of it, that would be very much the exception rather than the
rule.


....... tom klein, toronto

sankosy5@rogers.com wrote:

On another note.......... is there any searchable resource that
allows one to trace Hungarians since the War? I found some of my
family listed as survivors in the Nevek Klarsfeld, but I don't know
how to find what happened next. Some of the earlier birth and
marriage records have comments at the end of the row about
conversion or death. The Joint sometimes has emigration cards with a
bit of info. I've also used the Boros Lajos burial record to try to
connect to names.

I just wondered if there were available post-1945 city directories
or emigration lists since the Revolution.
IAJGS Paris 2012 last day for online registration #hungary

bounce-2451986-772961@...
 

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