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Re: Question about Land Travel in Europe in the 1920's #ukraine

Wendy Freebourne <art@...>
 

Thank you, Leslie. This post would explain why my great aunt, Rochel
BRENER/INDICH and her husband, Tevel INDICH, living in Pokroy, Lithuania,
obtained German passports in 1918/20. They were emigrating to S Africa. It
gives me an idea of the date they emigrated. Their son had previously
emigrated through Bremen, so I can now look for shipping records >from that
port.

However, this will still not explain why the cemetery records show the name
Indich, but their grave stones bear the name Brener for both of them.

Wendy Freebourne, Bath, UK
art@wendyfreebourne.com
Researching: BRENER, INDIKH/INDICH (Pokroy (Pakruojis), Lithuania)

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Subject: Question about Land Travel in Europe in the 1920's
From: Leslie Kelman <les.kelman43@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 11:07:22 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

How much do we know about the details of how our ancestors traveled >from The
Pale to their new destination. I envisage that every trip involved 2
segments; the sea segment and the land segment, because the vast majority of
those emigrating did not live in port cities or towns.

Over the years I have found much useful information regarding sea passenger
lists and shipping records. On the other hand I am having difficulty trying
to understand details about the land segment, apart >from the fact that train
travel played an important role.
I know that my grandfather and 5 children (including my father) travelled
from Zhitomir in late 1923. They went to Riga and there they obtained 3
visas; firstly to travel through Germany, secondly to travel through
Holland, and thirdly to enter the UK. I have some of the travel documents as
well as my father's UK Aliens card all of which help to firmly establish
dates. They left Zhitomir at the beginning of November, 1923; and they
arrived in the UK on December 11, 1923

I have done Google, Bing and Jewish Gen searches but without much luck. Can
anyone help direct me to useful sources and resources about the land segment
of our ancestors travel. I would like to do more research on this subject.

Thanks
Leslie Kelman, Toronto


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Question about Land Travel in Europe in the 1920's #ukraine

Wendy Freebourne <art@...>
 

Thank you, Leslie. This post would explain why my great aunt, Rochel
BRENER/INDICH and her husband, Tevel INDICH, living in Pokroy, Lithuania,
obtained German passports in 1918/20. They were emigrating to S Africa. It
gives me an idea of the date they emigrated. Their son had previously
emigrated through Bremen, so I can now look for shipping records >from that
port.

However, this will still not explain why the cemetery records show the name
Indich, but their grave stones bear the name Brener for both of them.

Wendy Freebourne, Bath, UK
art@wendyfreebourne.com
Researching: BRENER, INDIKH/INDICH (Pokroy (Pakruojis), Lithuania)

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Subject: Question about Land Travel in Europe in the 1920's
From: Leslie Kelman <les.kelman43@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 11:07:22 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

How much do we know about the details of how our ancestors traveled >from The
Pale to their new destination. I envisage that every trip involved 2
segments; the sea segment and the land segment, because the vast majority of
those emigrating did not live in port cities or towns.

Over the years I have found much useful information regarding sea passenger
lists and shipping records. On the other hand I am having difficulty trying
to understand details about the land segment, apart >from the fact that train
travel played an important role.
I know that my grandfather and 5 children (including my father) travelled
from Zhitomir in late 1923. They went to Riga and there they obtained 3
visas; firstly to travel through Germany, secondly to travel through
Holland, and thirdly to enter the UK. I have some of the travel documents as
well as my father's UK Aliens card all of which help to firmly establish
dates. They left Zhitomir at the beginning of November, 1923; and they
arrived in the UK on December 11, 1923

I have done Google, Bing and Jewish Gen searches but without much luck. Can
anyone help direct me to useful sources and resources about the land segment
of our ancestors travel. I would like to do more research on this subject.

Thanks
Leslie Kelman, Toronto


Rabbi Yitzchak DON YICHYE and Rabbi Yittzhak SHOTZER #rabbinic

Jennifer Wiebe <jlwiebe@...>
 

I'm looking for information on two rabbis, who were the sons-in-law of
Rabbi Avraham MEDNITSKY, son of R'Matisyahu MEDNITSKY, rabbi of Byten.
R'Avraham MEDNITSKY was the Rabbi in Antopole and mentioned in Pinkas
Latvia on page 72.

the first son-in-law is Rabbi Yitzchak DON YICHYE was the son of Rabbi
Ben Zion DON YICHYE and is mentioned in the book Yahadut Lativa on
page 381.

Rabbi Yittzhak SHOTZER is R'Avraham MEDNITSKY's other son-in-law.

Jennifer Wiebe


JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #rabbinic

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, Brick Wall or Dead End?, starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

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Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Rabbi Yitzchak DON YICHYE and Rabbi Yittzhak SHOTZER #rabbinic

Jennifer Wiebe <jlwiebe@...>
 

I'm looking for information on two rabbis, who were the sons-in-law of
Rabbi Avraham MEDNITSKY, son of R'Matisyahu MEDNITSKY, rabbi of Byten.
R'Avraham MEDNITSKY was the Rabbi in Antopole and mentioned in Pinkas
Latvia on page 72.

the first son-in-law is Rabbi Yitzchak DON YICHYE was the son of Rabbi
Ben Zion DON YICHYE and is mentioned in the book Yahadut Lativa on
page 381.

Rabbi Yittzhak SHOTZER is R'Avraham MEDNITSKY's other son-in-law.

Jennifer Wiebe


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #rabbinic

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, Brick Wall or Dead End?, starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education


Avigdor EFRON #rabbinic

Jennifer Wiebe <jlwiebe@...>
 

I'm looking for information about Rabbi Avigdor EFRON, son of Meir,
brother of Rabbi Matisyahu MA'ADANIT/MEDNITSKY of Byten.

Jennifer Wiebe


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Avigdor EFRON #rabbinic

Jennifer Wiebe <jlwiebe@...>
 

I'm looking for information about Rabbi Avigdor EFRON, son of Meir,
brother of Rabbi Matisyahu MA'ADANIT/MEDNITSKY of Byten.

Jennifer Wiebe


Rav Moshe Lipschutz of Philadelphia #rabbinic

Neil@...
 

Trying to trace his ancestry (Vielopole Dynasty) and descendants.
He was the first Chassidic Rebbe to settle in Philadelphia in 1911.
Where is he buried? Any obituaries on him?
--
Neil Rosenstein


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Rav Moshe Lipschutz of Philadelphia #rabbinic

Neil@...
 

Trying to trace his ancestry (Vielopole Dynasty) and descendants.
He was the first Chassidic Rebbe to settle in Philadelphia in 1911.
Where is he buried? Any obituaries on him?
--
Neil Rosenstein


JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #scandinavia

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, Brick Wall or Dead End?, starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education


JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #subcarpathia

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, Brick Wall or Dead End?, starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education


JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #yizkorbooks

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, Brick Wall or Dead End?, starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education


Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #scandinavia

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, Brick Wall or Dead End?, starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education


Subcarpathia SIG #Subcarpathia JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #subcarpathia

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, Brick Wall or Dead End?, starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education


Yizkor Books #YizkorBooks JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #yizkorbooks

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, Brick Wall or Dead End?, starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education


Re: DNA education #dna

Marion Werle
 

I, too, have heard good things about GRIP (as well as SLIG), but don't
overlook other, more local worthwhile DNA education opportunities. I
live in Southern California, and every year as part of the Southern
California Genealogical Society's Jamboree (held at the beginning of
June), they have an optional DNA Day with world-class speakers. I
attended DNA Day for the first time this year, and I learned a lot. I
also paid extra for a 3-hour workshop with Blaine Bettinger the
following day on "Third Party DNA Tools", and it was by far the best
workshop I have ever attended on any subject, and I've attended lots
of workshops, genealogical and otherwise, over the years.

So even if you don't have a chance to attend one of the more widely
recognized week-long institutes, there may be DNA presentations in
your own backyard. And don't forget webinars - I noticed that Legacy
Family Tree has a new 5-part series called "Foundations in DNA" by
Blaine Bettinger. I haven't watched them yet, but he's a great
presenter and very knowledgable, and I know there are lots of other
webinars on the subject.

--
Marion Werle
<werleme@gmail.com>

---
I learned more than a few things here.
http://allmyforeparents.blogspot.com/2016/08/a-month-abroad-part-two-grip.html

Israel Pickholtz
Jerusalem


JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #dna

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, Brick Wall or Dead End?, starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education


JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #latvia

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, Brick Wall or Dead End?, starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education


DNA Research #DNA Re: DNA education #dna

Marion Werle
 

I, too, have heard good things about GRIP (as well as SLIG), but don't
overlook other, more local worthwhile DNA education opportunities. I
live in Southern California, and every year as part of the Southern
California Genealogical Society's Jamboree (held at the beginning of
June), they have an optional DNA Day with world-class speakers. I
attended DNA Day for the first time this year, and I learned a lot. I
also paid extra for a 3-hour workshop with Blaine Bettinger the
following day on "Third Party DNA Tools", and it was by far the best
workshop I have ever attended on any subject, and I've attended lots
of workshops, genealogical and otherwise, over the years.

So even if you don't have a chance to attend one of the more widely
recognized week-long institutes, there may be DNA presentations in
your own backyard. And don't forget webinars - I noticed that Legacy
Family Tree has a new 5-part series called "Foundations in DNA" by
Blaine Bettinger. I haven't watched them yet, but he's a great
presenter and very knowledgable, and I know there are lots of other
webinars on the subject.

--
Marion Werle
<werleme@gmail.com>

---
I learned more than a few things here.
http://allmyforeparents.blogspot.com/2016/08/a-month-abroad-part-two-grip.html

Israel Pickholtz
Jerusalem

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