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Naturalization Index Errors? #general

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

I have been attempting to obtain the declaration of intent of a Louis
GREENBERGER. In both paid genealogy services and in the indexes to
Naturalization records available >from the FHC, it is indicated that Louis
Greenberger was naturalized on 12 Aug 1913 by the NY Supreme Court, and his
declaration of intent can be found on Vol. 63, page 145.

The problem is that Vol. 63 covers 1911, not 1913. I would guess that August
of 1913 would fall around vols. 130-145. I have been told by the
fee-for-service company that they just copy the records >from the municipal
archives, and I would have to go back to the originator of the records for a
correction. That is all well and fine, but doesn't help me find Uncle Louis.
:-) The FHC records are microfilms of the records at the municipal archives.

I considered that vol. 63 was a typo and should have been 83 or 163, but
those don't appear to work either.

Does anyone have any idea how I could determine the vol. and page for Louis,
other than wading through 10 or 12 volumes of declarations that fall in the
July to Sept 1911 period?

Thanks.

Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA
Samara99@comcast.net


Re: Polish medical journal- Pneumonologia Polska #general

backon@...
 

kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu (Logan J. Kleinwaks) writes:

I am looking for an old issue of a Polish medical journal that contains an
article of possible genealogical importance. If you have easy access to
past issues of this journal, Pneumonologia Polska, please contact me
privately.

Try using www.ingenta.com or the British Library www.bl.uk
Both charge about $20 per article.

Dr. Josh Backon
backon@vms.huji.ac.il


Re: Publishing Genealogies #general

Paul <news@...>
 

"Nick" < tulse04-news@yahoo.co.uk > wrote:

[snip]>
Well, my ISP (Internet Service Provider) BT Yahoo uses my mother's maiden
name as a way of accessing the Internet if I have forgotten my password.
[snip]

Nothing requires you to give your mother's actual maiden name. I never do.
The request for maiden name is only to identify that you are the person who
requests a transaction online. You can provide any nonsense string as long
as you can remember it later.

Paul Wolf
San Diego, CA

KHAVULYA (Talnoye, Uman, Kiev, Buenos Aires, Philadelphia)
BEININ (Talnoye)
SWITZKY
SLAFER or SCHLEIFER


Re: Publishing Genealogies #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:35:14 UTC, tulse04-news@yahoo.co.uk (Nick)
opined:

"Hilary Henkin" < hilary@proppersource.com > wrote:

I'd like to offer a differing opinion about this topic, in total
agreement with Stan Goodman.
snip

If I list someone as "daughter, living", how can this lead to identity
theft? Even if I list "Ann, still living", how can this lead to identity
theft???? And how many cases of identity theft have you heard of which
began with info >from a genealogy website????
Well, my ISP (Internet Service Provider) BT Yahoo uses my mother's maiden
name as a way of accessing the Internet if I have forgotten my password.
That is incorrect. What happened, in fact, is the following:

a) Yahoo asked for your mother's maiden name,
b) You, perhaps thoughtlessly gave it, and
c) It became your password.

What do you think would have happened if you had told them your
mother's name before her marriage was "Marie Antoinette" or "Lizzie
Borden"? That is what I have done with a bank that asked me this
foolish question, and therefore the name I gave them (actually neither
of the above) is my password. Yahoo cares not a fig about your mother;
they are helping unimaginative people by giving them a framework to
begin to think about a password. Given that one's mother is on public
record as having borne one, anybody that gives the right answer
deserves whatever happens to him.

There is lots of information that is obviously available on the Internet.
One person who posts on this newsgroup referred to me half-jokingly as
"spying" on her when I looked up her name and then when I wrote to her I
referred to some information I had found out about her.

I think I have referred previously to "data warehousing" which is used by
marketing companies. If they have a number of databases containing
information collected independently about people, they can then pool the
information >from the different databases to build up a much more detailed
picture of individuals.

In effect, the Internet is a intersecting set of a vast number of
independent databases.
This is not really relevant.

Genealogical researchers are able to use this facility to build up a picture
of their ancestors.

Whilst noone minds this about people who are no longer alive, but people are
quite right to be concerned about the information about themselves available
on the Internet.

As in other areas of public interest, the fact that something is interesting
doesn't necessarily mean that such things are in the public interest.
It is indeed possible to bowdlerize a genealogy in deference to the
neurotically defensive. Remember that you are gathering this
information as a way to preserve information for the future, and that
anything you omit because the person is still alive is lost forever --
nobody, after you are gone, is going to fill in the details as the
nervous nellies die off. If genealogy is for you merely a fun way to
kill time, this doesn't matter much. If, on the other hand, you are
collecting information to show the next generation or so whence they
came, you may think differently. The children of the person whose name
you have omitted are also unknown, and are likely to remain so. You
may want to make your genealogy as complete as you possibly can. Much
information is already lost to us, simply because the people who could
supply it are gone -- and that is a process that, as you know, is
still active.

What is true is that it is foolish in many ways to publish sensitive
and identifying details, sometimes even of dead persons. Dates/places
of birth, marriage, and death are already matters of public record.
You are not releasing secrets into the public domain by publishing
them.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form there.


Re: hatter #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:39:15 UTC, sulamitb@012.net.il (sulamitb)
opined:

Dear Genners,
Many members of my family >from the town Tarnow were hatters. Part of them
moved to the States and worked as hatters in their new home.
Does anybody know if this was a typical Jewish profession? How was the
situation in other Galician cities? What is the "hatter decease"?
I will appreciate your answers.

Sulamith Beith Yannai
Jerusalem
As often happens. some context would help to answer this question.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form there.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Naturalization Index Errors? #general

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

I have been attempting to obtain the declaration of intent of a Louis
GREENBERGER. In both paid genealogy services and in the indexes to
Naturalization records available >from the FHC, it is indicated that Louis
Greenberger was naturalized on 12 Aug 1913 by the NY Supreme Court, and his
declaration of intent can be found on Vol. 63, page 145.

The problem is that Vol. 63 covers 1911, not 1913. I would guess that August
of 1913 would fall around vols. 130-145. I have been told by the
fee-for-service company that they just copy the records >from the municipal
archives, and I would have to go back to the originator of the records for a
correction. That is all well and fine, but doesn't help me find Uncle Louis.
:-) The FHC records are microfilms of the records at the municipal archives.

I considered that vol. 63 was a typo and should have been 83 or 163, but
those don't appear to work either.

Does anyone have any idea how I could determine the vol. and page for Louis,
other than wading through 10 or 12 volumes of declarations that fall in the
July to Sept 1911 period?

Thanks.

Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA
Samara99@comcast.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Polish medical journal- Pneumonologia Polska #general

backon@...
 

kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu (Logan J. Kleinwaks) writes:

I am looking for an old issue of a Polish medical journal that contains an
article of possible genealogical importance. If you have easy access to
past issues of this journal, Pneumonologia Polska, please contact me
privately.

Try using www.ingenta.com or the British Library www.bl.uk
Both charge about $20 per article.

Dr. Josh Backon
backon@vms.huji.ac.il


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Publishing Genealogies #general

Paul <news@...>
 

"Nick" < tulse04-news@yahoo.co.uk > wrote:

[snip]>
Well, my ISP (Internet Service Provider) BT Yahoo uses my mother's maiden
name as a way of accessing the Internet if I have forgotten my password.
[snip]

Nothing requires you to give your mother's actual maiden name. I never do.
The request for maiden name is only to identify that you are the person who
requests a transaction online. You can provide any nonsense string as long
as you can remember it later.

Paul Wolf
San Diego, CA

KHAVULYA (Talnoye, Uman, Kiev, Buenos Aires, Philadelphia)
BEININ (Talnoye)
SWITZKY
SLAFER or SCHLEIFER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Publishing Genealogies #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:35:14 UTC, tulse04-news@yahoo.co.uk (Nick)
opined:

"Hilary Henkin" < hilary@proppersource.com > wrote:

I'd like to offer a differing opinion about this topic, in total
agreement with Stan Goodman.
snip

If I list someone as "daughter, living", how can this lead to identity
theft? Even if I list "Ann, still living", how can this lead to identity
theft???? And how many cases of identity theft have you heard of which
began with info >from a genealogy website????
Well, my ISP (Internet Service Provider) BT Yahoo uses my mother's maiden
name as a way of accessing the Internet if I have forgotten my password.
That is incorrect. What happened, in fact, is the following:

a) Yahoo asked for your mother's maiden name,
b) You, perhaps thoughtlessly gave it, and
c) It became your password.

What do you think would have happened if you had told them your
mother's name before her marriage was "Marie Antoinette" or "Lizzie
Borden"? That is what I have done with a bank that asked me this
foolish question, and therefore the name I gave them (actually neither
of the above) is my password. Yahoo cares not a fig about your mother;
they are helping unimaginative people by giving them a framework to
begin to think about a password. Given that one's mother is on public
record as having borne one, anybody that gives the right answer
deserves whatever happens to him.

There is lots of information that is obviously available on the Internet.
One person who posts on this newsgroup referred to me half-jokingly as
"spying" on her when I looked up her name and then when I wrote to her I
referred to some information I had found out about her.

I think I have referred previously to "data warehousing" which is used by
marketing companies. If they have a number of databases containing
information collected independently about people, they can then pool the
information >from the different databases to build up a much more detailed
picture of individuals.

In effect, the Internet is a intersecting set of a vast number of
independent databases.
This is not really relevant.

Genealogical researchers are able to use this facility to build up a picture
of their ancestors.

Whilst noone minds this about people who are no longer alive, but people are
quite right to be concerned about the information about themselves available
on the Internet.

As in other areas of public interest, the fact that something is interesting
doesn't necessarily mean that such things are in the public interest.
It is indeed possible to bowdlerize a genealogy in deference to the
neurotically defensive. Remember that you are gathering this
information as a way to preserve information for the future, and that
anything you omit because the person is still alive is lost forever --
nobody, after you are gone, is going to fill in the details as the
nervous nellies die off. If genealogy is for you merely a fun way to
kill time, this doesn't matter much. If, on the other hand, you are
collecting information to show the next generation or so whence they
came, you may think differently. The children of the person whose name
you have omitted are also unknown, and are likely to remain so. You
may want to make your genealogy as complete as you possibly can. Much
information is already lost to us, simply because the people who could
supply it are gone -- and that is a process that, as you know, is
still active.

What is true is that it is foolish in many ways to publish sensitive
and identifying details, sometimes even of dead persons. Dates/places
of birth, marriage, and death are already matters of public record.
You are not releasing secrets into the public domain by publishing
them.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form there.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: hatter #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:39:15 UTC, sulamitb@012.net.il (sulamitb)
opined:

Dear Genners,
Many members of my family >from the town Tarnow were hatters. Part of them
moved to the States and worked as hatters in their new home.
Does anybody know if this was a typical Jewish profession? How was the
situation in other Galician cities? What is the "hatter decease"?
I will appreciate your answers.

Sulamith Beith Yannai
Jerusalem
As often happens. some context would help to answer this question.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form there.


Publication of Pinkas ha-Kehillot Romania, Chapter of Iasi #romania

Robert Sherins <rsherins@...>
 

Dear Genners,

The English translation of the chapter about the Jewish community
(Kehillah) of Iasi, Romania, has just been published on the
Jewishgen.org/Yizkor Book Translations website
<http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/pinkas_romania/rom1_00141.html>. It is
a very lengthy (66 pages/contained on two webpages) and scholarly
document, which summarizes the history of the Kehillah of Iasi since
the 16th century. The details of the history contained in this article
encompass the most important facts that are relevant to the history of
the other Jewish communities located elsewhere in Moldavia.

Most importantly, there was a vital trading relationship between Brody,
Galicia, and Iasi, Moldavia, since the 1500s, when the exports >from
Brody and other Eastern European states required the transport of goods
for shipment to the Moldavian port of Galati, which was located in the
delta leading to the Black Sea. Many Polish and Russian Jews immigrated
to Moldavia during the18-19th centuries, when the Romanian government
offered tax free privileges (they were known as sudits) to merchants,
businessmen, and skilled craftsmen, to encourage the development of
Moldavia. The extensive pre-existing trading relationships between Iasi
and Brody, Galicia, was another reason why Jewish merchants immigrated
to Iasi and other towns in Moldavia.

We have published the English translations of the history of the
Kehillah >from the Pinkas ha-Kehillot, Romania, of eleven towns in
Moldavia, which include: Botosani, Frumusica, Galati, Hirlau, Husi,
Iasi, Negresti, Podul Iloaiei, Pungesti, Roman, and Vaslui. To access
the translations, search the following url link
<http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/translations.html>.

These translations >from the Pinkas ha-Kehillot Romania were made by the
donations of Robert S. Sherins, M.D., Richard J. Sherins, M.D., and
Beryle Solomon Buchman, and the English translations of Ziva Yavin,
Ph.D., and Rabbi Jack H Bloom, Ph.D. We encourage other "Genners" to
contribute to the Jewishgen.org/Yizkor Book Project and translate the
remaining chapters.

Robert S. Sherins, M.D.
Pacific Palisades, California


Romania SIG #Romania Publication of Pinkas ha-Kehillot Romania, Chapter of Iasi #romania

Robert Sherins <rsherins@...>
 

Dear Genners,

The English translation of the chapter about the Jewish community
(Kehillah) of Iasi, Romania, has just been published on the
Jewishgen.org/Yizkor Book Translations website
<http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/pinkas_romania/rom1_00141.html>. It is
a very lengthy (66 pages/contained on two webpages) and scholarly
document, which summarizes the history of the Kehillah of Iasi since
the 16th century. The details of the history contained in this article
encompass the most important facts that are relevant to the history of
the other Jewish communities located elsewhere in Moldavia.

Most importantly, there was a vital trading relationship between Brody,
Galicia, and Iasi, Moldavia, since the 1500s, when the exports >from
Brody and other Eastern European states required the transport of goods
for shipment to the Moldavian port of Galati, which was located in the
delta leading to the Black Sea. Many Polish and Russian Jews immigrated
to Moldavia during the18-19th centuries, when the Romanian government
offered tax free privileges (they were known as sudits) to merchants,
businessmen, and skilled craftsmen, to encourage the development of
Moldavia. The extensive pre-existing trading relationships between Iasi
and Brody, Galicia, was another reason why Jewish merchants immigrated
to Iasi and other towns in Moldavia.

We have published the English translations of the history of the
Kehillah >from the Pinkas ha-Kehillot, Romania, of eleven towns in
Moldavia, which include: Botosani, Frumusica, Galati, Hirlau, Husi,
Iasi, Negresti, Podul Iloaiei, Pungesti, Roman, and Vaslui. To access
the translations, search the following url link
<http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/translations.html>.

These translations >from the Pinkas ha-Kehillot Romania were made by the
donations of Robert S. Sherins, M.D., Richard J. Sherins, M.D., and
Beryle Solomon Buchman, and the English translations of Ziva Yavin,
Ph.D., and Rabbi Jack H Bloom, Ph.D. We encourage other "Genners" to
contribute to the Jewishgen.org/Yizkor Book Project and translate the
remaining chapters.

Robert S. Sherins, M.D.
Pacific Palisades, California


Thank you for the help #belarus

Florette Lynn
 

Thank you, thank you all those wonderful people who responded to my request
for information about the Bielski Otriad in the Nalibaki forest. Why am I
not surprised, yet I was touched that you took the time to respond to me.
I'll post more when I return >from the trip.
Florette Lynn

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Belarus SIG #Belarus Thank you for the help #belarus

Florette Lynn
 

Thank you, thank you all those wonderful people who responded to my request
for information about the Bielski Otriad in the Nalibaki forest. Why am I
not surprised, yet I was touched that you took the time to respond to me.
I'll post more when I return >from the trip.
Florette Lynn

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orphanages #general

Stephanie Weiner <laguna@...>
 

Dave,

The most comprehensive historical list is a 2-volume set by Reg Niles,
titled
"Adoption Agencies, Orphanages, and Maternity Homes; an historical
directory, published in 1981 (or 1982). It is out of print, but may be
available in a local library.

If it was a Jewish orphanage, then the HNOH website at
http://www.kesh.com/hnoh/welcome.html
is the place to look.

Stephanie Weiner
San Diego, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen orphanages #general

Stephanie Weiner <laguna@...>
 

Dave,

The most comprehensive historical list is a 2-volume set by Reg Niles,
titled
"Adoption Agencies, Orphanages, and Maternity Homes; an historical
directory, published in 1981 (or 1982). It is out of print, but may be
available in a local library.

If it was a Jewish orphanage, then the HNOH website at
http://www.kesh.com/hnoh/welcome.html
is the place to look.

Stephanie Weiner
San Diego, CA


Re: Orphanages/Asylums in the NY area- 1893, 1899 #general

zgriner@...
 

Try the Brooklyn Hebrew Orphan Asylum. In the 1920 Census, I found
relatives there. I have no idea if this institution still exists under
a different name.

Many children were placed in these institutions temporarily because the
parents were too poor, or to busy surviving, to take care of their
children properly and this was done as a community service. I believe
that many were taught trades there, too.

Zev Griner


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Orphanages/Asylums in the NY area- 1893, 1899 #general

zgriner@...
 

Try the Brooklyn Hebrew Orphan Asylum. In the 1920 Census, I found
relatives there. I have no idea if this institution still exists under
a different name.

Many children were placed in these institutions temporarily because the
parents were too poor, or to busy surviving, to take care of their
children properly and this was done as a community service. I believe
that many were taught trades there, too.

Zev Griner


Re: anybirthday com #general

zgriner@...
 


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: anybirthday com #general

zgriner@...