Date   

Polish records #general

harold@...
 

Dear Genners,

A month ago I sent a request to the Polish State Archives for
a photocopy of a marriage entry >from 1893, details of which
I obtained >from JRI-Poland.

A few days ago I sent an email requesting details of how to
pay and received a response in Polish. If anyone is able and
willing to translate it for me I would be very grateful.

Please reply privately.

Thank you.

Harold Fineberg (London UK)

Searching:
Fineberg (Lithuania) Levitt (Reitivas Lithuania)
Barkovsky Borower Brunner Machowski Schlamovitz Shedlovitz Spiegel
Szulimowicz Tenenbaum (Lodz Poland)
Borower Shedlovitz (Rawa Mazowiecka Poland)
Brunner Machowski (Warsaw Poland)


JGSLA-Bad Arolsen-ITS Program-Monday, Nov. 10th #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

Join us at the next meeting of the Jewish Genealogical
Society of Los Angeles:

Date: Monday November 10th at 7:30PM

Program: The Bad Arolsen - ITS Archives Research Experience:
Film and Panel Discussion with three participants in the May 2008
research trip to the most important repository in the world
containing information on victims of World War II.

Speakers: Lori Miller, Judi Gyori Missel and Pamela Weisberger

Place: Skirball Cultural Center 2701 North Sepulveda Blvd.
Los Angeles CA 90049

More details at: http://www.jgsla.org

Pamela Weisberger
Program Chair JGSLA
Santa Monica CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com


Registration deadline for JGSNY Cemetery Seminar #general

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
 

The deadline to register for the JGSNY - Lucille Gudis Memorial Fund all day
seminar - ">from Here to Eternity: Jewish Cemetery Research, Preservation and
Restoration" - is this Monday, November 10th.

The registration form for the seminar can be downloaded at www.jgsny.org.

There will be *no* registration at the door.

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
New York, NY
Seminar co-coordinator


Re: Name Change to fool the Angel of Death #ukraine

Gordon <dmgordonnj@...>
 

Regarding the Fagelman boy who perished at 6 months old. The names of Abram
& Efraim sound almost the same with a Yiddish accent. Efraim would be
pronounced "Efrum"; and Abram as "Avrum".

My hunch is that the name was NOT changed intentionally but merely
misunderstood by the person (not Leah) who filled out the ship manifest.

Lastly, the death of a child was rarely an issue to be kept secret. It was
just a painful matter which was preferred to not be mentioned again.

David Gordon
Millburn, NJ

Researching:
GRODINSKY/GORDON/GRODY Leonowicze & Jalowka Grodno Gubernia, Poland
KAPLINSKY >from Grodno Gubernia, Poland
PARANSKY and HECHT >from Ruzhin, Kiev Gubernia, Ukraine
KUTSOVSKY/KATZOWSKY >from Peryaslav, Ukraine
SACHAROV/SACHAROW >from Poltava, Ukraine; COOPER/COOPPER/COAPER >from Poland
GOLDENBERG/GOLDBERG >from Iasi, Romania ; GELTZER >from Iasi Romania
ROSENWASSER and ROSENBERG >from Ukraine ; TOLCHINSKY >from Poland and Ukraine
All Jewish families >from Algeria


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Polish records #general

harold@...
 

Dear Genners,

A month ago I sent a request to the Polish State Archives for
a photocopy of a marriage entry >from 1893, details of which
I obtained >from JRI-Poland.

A few days ago I sent an email requesting details of how to
pay and received a response in Polish. If anyone is able and
willing to translate it for me I would be very grateful.

Please reply privately.

Thank you.

Harold Fineberg (London UK)

Searching:
Fineberg (Lithuania) Levitt (Reitivas Lithuania)
Barkovsky Borower Brunner Machowski Schlamovitz Shedlovitz Spiegel
Szulimowicz Tenenbaum (Lodz Poland)
Borower Shedlovitz (Rawa Mazowiecka Poland)
Brunner Machowski (Warsaw Poland)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGSLA-Bad Arolsen-ITS Program-Monday, Nov. 10th #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

Join us at the next meeting of the Jewish Genealogical
Society of Los Angeles:

Date: Monday November 10th at 7:30PM

Program: The Bad Arolsen - ITS Archives Research Experience:
Film and Panel Discussion with three participants in the May 2008
research trip to the most important repository in the world
containing information on victims of World War II.

Speakers: Lori Miller, Judi Gyori Missel and Pamela Weisberger

Place: Skirball Cultural Center 2701 North Sepulveda Blvd.
Los Angeles CA 90049

More details at: http://www.jgsla.org

Pamela Weisberger
Program Chair JGSLA
Santa Monica CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Registration deadline for JGSNY Cemetery Seminar #general

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
 

The deadline to register for the JGSNY - Lucille Gudis Memorial Fund all day
seminar - ">from Here to Eternity: Jewish Cemetery Research, Preservation and
Restoration" - is this Monday, November 10th.

The registration form for the seminar can be downloaded at www.jgsny.org.

There will be *no* registration at the door.

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
New York, NY
Seminar co-coordinator


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Name Change to fool the Angel of Death #ukraine

Gordon <dmgordonnj@...>
 

Regarding the Fagelman boy who perished at 6 months old. The names of Abram
& Efraim sound almost the same with a Yiddish accent. Efraim would be
pronounced "Efrum"; and Abram as "Avrum".

My hunch is that the name was NOT changed intentionally but merely
misunderstood by the person (not Leah) who filled out the ship manifest.

Lastly, the death of a child was rarely an issue to be kept secret. It was
just a painful matter which was preferred to not be mentioned again.

David Gordon
Millburn, NJ

Researching:
GRODINSKY/GORDON/GRODY Leonowicze & Jalowka Grodno Gubernia, Poland
KAPLINSKY >from Grodno Gubernia, Poland
PARANSKY and HECHT >from Ruzhin, Kiev Gubernia, Ukraine
KUTSOVSKY/KATZOWSKY >from Peryaslav, Ukraine
SACHAROV/SACHAROW >from Poltava, Ukraine; COOPER/COOPPER/COAPER >from Poland
GOLDENBERG/GOLDBERG >from Iasi, Romania ; GELTZER >from Iasi Romania
ROSENWASSER and ROSENBERG >from Ukraine ; TOLCHINSKY >from Poland and Ukraine
All Jewish families >from Algeria


Ronald GERSCH - another ask for help please #unitedkingdom

Catherine Gordon <catherine@...>
 

I would like to thank everyone who has offered me assistance with this
matter and ask for a little more help please.

I have now established that Ronald was born in 1932 (registered Q2) and
died in 1933 (registered Q1).

I have established that he is not buried at a Federation cemetery.

I have had some wonderful help >from Melvin Hartog at the United
Synagogue who has determined that there is a record of a 'Donald Gersh'
buried at East Ham (Marlow Road) in February 1933. It seems very likely
that this is in fact the burial place of Ronald as a D and R are easily
confused when handwritten and indexed.

This child we have found is buried at Grave 36, Row 11, Section Q

If anyone can help me urgently with the following it would be most
appreciated as I can not do it >from Manchester and is quite urgent.

1 - Does anyone know if this is the children section? (if it is that's a
great start. If it is not it doesn't rule it out because he could have
been buried in an adult grave with someone else).

2-Is anyone visiting this cemetery this weekend who can check the
details of the grave at this reference and let me know what is there.
(and possibly even photograph the grave).

I realize this is a big ask but I usually find in life that if you don't
ask you don't get and people have been amazingly helpful in this matter
so far.

Once again I say thanks to everyone who has helped so far.

Catherine Gordon
Manchester UK

Researching
GELLER, KUTZCER, GOLDSTONE, FIG, BROWN, BRO, COPITCH, COPATCH, COPACK,
COPATZ, FREEDSON, FREESDZON, MARCHINSKY, MASINSKI, GOLDSBERG, GROSBERG,
SAGAT, SAGOWSKI, STERLING, FINEMAN, FOGEL, MOSCOVITCH, GORDON and RUDOLF
(and Ronald GERSCH) .


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Ronald GERSCH - another ask for help please #unitedkingdom

Catherine Gordon <catherine@...>
 

I would like to thank everyone who has offered me assistance with this
matter and ask for a little more help please.

I have now established that Ronald was born in 1932 (registered Q2) and
died in 1933 (registered Q1).

I have established that he is not buried at a Federation cemetery.

I have had some wonderful help >from Melvin Hartog at the United
Synagogue who has determined that there is a record of a 'Donald Gersh'
buried at East Ham (Marlow Road) in February 1933. It seems very likely
that this is in fact the burial place of Ronald as a D and R are easily
confused when handwritten and indexed.

This child we have found is buried at Grave 36, Row 11, Section Q

If anyone can help me urgently with the following it would be most
appreciated as I can not do it >from Manchester and is quite urgent.

1 - Does anyone know if this is the children section? (if it is that's a
great start. If it is not it doesn't rule it out because he could have
been buried in an adult grave with someone else).

2-Is anyone visiting this cemetery this weekend who can check the
details of the grave at this reference and let me know what is there.
(and possibly even photograph the grave).

I realize this is a big ask but I usually find in life that if you don't
ask you don't get and people have been amazingly helpful in this matter
so far.

Once again I say thanks to everyone who has helped so far.

Catherine Gordon
Manchester UK

Researching
GELLER, KUTZCER, GOLDSTONE, FIG, BROWN, BRO, COPITCH, COPATCH, COPACK,
COPATZ, FREEDSON, FREESDZON, MARCHINSKY, MASINSKI, GOLDSBERG, GROSBERG,
SAGAT, SAGOWSKI, STERLING, FINEMAN, FOGEL, MOSCOVITCH, GORDON and RUDOLF
(and Ronald GERSCH) .


Re: Chevra Bnai Jacob Anshe Shereshew New York, NY #general

backon@...
 

The following organization was incorporated in 1909 in NY:
Chevra Bnai Jacob Anshe Shereshew New York, NY
snip....

The first 2 surnames are quite rare so a quick search using
http://www.zabasearch.com may prove valuable.

Josh Backon


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Chevra Bnai Jacob Anshe Shereshew New York, NY #general

backon@...
 

The following organization was incorporated in 1909 in NY:
Chevra Bnai Jacob Anshe Shereshew New York, NY
snip....

The first 2 surnames are quite rare so a quick search using
http://www.zabasearch.com may prove valuable.

Josh Backon


Asher & Rose MIZRACHI #general

Bubylu@...
 

I am seeking information on Asher and Rose Mizrachi. In 1958 they were
living in the Bronx, NY. They were married on November 15, 1958.
I believe that they were both formally >from Israel. We would like to
make contact with them.

Thank you,
Lois and Norman Friedman
Bubylu@aol.com
Delray Beach, FL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Asher & Rose MIZRACHI #general

Bubylu@...
 

I am seeking information on Asher and Rose Mizrachi. In 1958 they were
living in the Bronx, NY. They were married on November 15, 1958.
I believe that they were both formally >from Israel. We would like to
make contact with them.

Thank you,
Lois and Norman Friedman
Bubylu@aol.com
Delray Beach, FL


POLINSKY / BLUMER San Francisco #general

Barbara Zimmer
 

George asked for help finding Sadie (nee BLUMER) or MIlton POLINSKY
after 1910. He knew that Milton was in an orphanage in San Francisco
in 1920.
I found Sadie in the 1920 census for San Francisco with a slight
variation of her surname, widowed, working as a tailoress.
Then for 1930 I searched for a son MIlton with a mother Sadie and
found them still in San Francisco. Milton was now using the surname
of BLUMER and Sadie had remarried (to Clinton FULLER, a barber).
Milton died in California in 1981. (the birth date matches the one
that George had)
Sadie and her husband were still living in SF as late as 1940 when
they were listed in the voter rolls.

Barbara Zimmer


Re: LEIZOR and LEISER --- same person? #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Certainly Leizor and Leisor are the same name, spelled differently.
People in the 19th century usually had lots of kids, and with 10 kids
or more in a family, 25 years between the oldest and the youngest
wasn't odd. My gg grandfather came to the US in the 1890's,age
70-something, with a 17 year old daughter by a second wife - my
ggrandmother, his daughter also - was about 50 at the time. And my
mother's parents were each one of 10 kids, with 25 or more years
between the oldest and youngest - all to one wife.

Actually, my ex-husband was one of 7, and his sister, the oldest, was
27 years older than his youngest brother - all by the same mother. So
it happens even in the 20th century.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen POLINSKY / BLUMER San Francisco #general

Barbara Zimmer
 

George asked for help finding Sadie (nee BLUMER) or MIlton POLINSKY
after 1910. He knew that Milton was in an orphanage in San Francisco
in 1920.
I found Sadie in the 1920 census for San Francisco with a slight
variation of her surname, widowed, working as a tailoress.
Then for 1930 I searched for a son MIlton with a mother Sadie and
found them still in San Francisco. Milton was now using the surname
of BLUMER and Sadie had remarried (to Clinton FULLER, a barber).
Milton died in California in 1981. (the birth date matches the one
that George had)
Sadie and her husband were still living in SF as late as 1940 when
they were listed in the voter rolls.

Barbara Zimmer


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: LEIZOR and LEISER --- same person? #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Certainly Leizor and Leisor are the same name, spelled differently.
People in the 19th century usually had lots of kids, and with 10 kids
or more in a family, 25 years between the oldest and the youngest
wasn't odd. My gg grandfather came to the US in the 1890's,age
70-something, with a 17 year old daughter by a second wife - my
ggrandmother, his daughter also - was about 50 at the time. And my
mother's parents were each one of 10 kids, with 25 or more years
between the oldest and youngest - all to one wife.

Actually, my ex-husband was one of 7, and his sister, the oldest, was
27 years older than his youngest brother - all by the same mother. So
it happens even in the 20th century.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


Re: Confidentiality #general

Susan Fifer <suef@...>
 

I have been following this discussion with interest and I can see that
people have a genuine concern about identity theft amongst other issues. I
think that sometimes, however, those who object don't realise how much
information they themselves reveal in sources that they create.

As an exercise, I took >from last week's Jewish Chronicle the announcement of
a birth put in by the new parents. It gave the child's full name, the
parents' names, the date of birth, the siblings of the new born, the child's
living grandparents and indicated after whom the baby was named. Using only
the Jewish Chronicle archives and UK BMD material >from Ancestry, I was able
to construct an outline family tree within a few hours. The full names and
exact birthdates of the youngest generation were all provided through birth
announcements made in the Chronicle by the parents and other family was
filled in through condolence announcements which often mention the
relationship of the submitter to the deceased. The one resource that I did
not need to use (since I didn't even know if such a thing existed) was a
family tree compiled and published by a family history researcher.

Admittedly, I chose a name for this exercise which was uncommon and
therefore not difficult to track but it does show that, even without the
family trees which we construct, there is a lot of information out there
which is very easily accessible. This does not, of course, remove >from us
the obligation to behave responsibly as genealogists but is something to
bear in mind when people raise objections to the information you include in
your family tree.

Sue Fifer, London, England
suef@dial.pipex.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Confidentiality #general

Susan Fifer <suef@...>
 

I have been following this discussion with interest and I can see that
people have a genuine concern about identity theft amongst other issues. I
think that sometimes, however, those who object don't realise how much
information they themselves reveal in sources that they create.

As an exercise, I took >from last week's Jewish Chronicle the announcement of
a birth put in by the new parents. It gave the child's full name, the
parents' names, the date of birth, the siblings of the new born, the child's
living grandparents and indicated after whom the baby was named. Using only
the Jewish Chronicle archives and UK BMD material >from Ancestry, I was able
to construct an outline family tree within a few hours. The full names and
exact birthdates of the youngest generation were all provided through birth
announcements made in the Chronicle by the parents and other family was
filled in through condolence announcements which often mention the
relationship of the submitter to the deceased. The one resource that I did
not need to use (since I didn't even know if such a thing existed) was a
family tree compiled and published by a family history researcher.

Admittedly, I chose a name for this exercise which was uncommon and
therefore not difficult to track but it does show that, even without the
family trees which we construct, there is a lot of information out there
which is very easily accessible. This does not, of course, remove >from us
the obligation to behave responsibly as genealogists but is something to
bear in mind when people raise objections to the information you include in
your family tree.

Sue Fifer, London, England
suef@dial.pipex.com