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Links Added for 1921 Polish Census and Wyszków (and nearby towns) Jewish Population #warsaw #poland

Howard Orenstein
 

There are 2 new links for "Explore Your Jewish Heritage in Wyszk=F3w",=20=

which can
be found at:

<http://wwwfac.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/JHWyszkow3.html>

One is the cover page for the 1921 Polish Census, Warsaw Voivodship, =20
the other
which lists the Jewish population for Wyszk=F3w (and other nearby =
towns,=20
including
Serock, Pultusk and Nasielsk).

--
Howard B. Orenstein, Ph.D.
McDaniel College
Founded as Western Maryland College
Westminster, MD 21157
horenstein@...
http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/HIK.html=

Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland Links Added for 1921 Polish Census and Wyszków (and nearby towns) Jewish Population #warsaw #poland

Howard Orenstein
 

There are 2 new links for "Explore Your Jewish Heritage in Wyszk=F3w",=20=

which can
be found at:

<http://wwwfac.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/JHWyszkow3.html>

One is the cover page for the 1921 Polish Census, Warsaw Voivodship, =20
the other
which lists the Jewish population for Wyszk=F3w (and other nearby =
towns,=20
including
Serock, Pultusk and Nasielsk).

--
Howard B. Orenstein, Ph.D.
McDaniel College
Founded as Western Maryland College
Westminster, MD 21157
horenstein@...
http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/HIK.html=

Re: Hesse noble territories #germany

P. S. Wyant <p.wyant@...>
 

Judith,

I'd suggest taking a look at Jensen, "The Hessen Areas of Germany", in
German Genealogical Digest, Vol. 9, No. 3 (Press American, Autumn,
1993), pp. 74 - 85 ... a very good resource for the history of Hessen. Regards,

Peter Wyant Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada <p.wyant@...>

Judith Goldsmith wrote:

Lars Menk recently suggested that Erdmannrode possibly belonged to
one of the small noble territories in eastern Hesse that before 1800
permitted Jews to settle there to improve their financial situation.
How can I find out about these Hesse noble territories? Is there a list
of them somewhere?
A book, hopefully in English? (I can't read German, unfortunately.)
I would not be surprised if this was reason behind a number of small
out-of-the-way Hesse towns that had quite a few Jews in the 1800s.
Judith Goldsmith Oakland, California <judithgoldsmith@...>

German SIG #Germany Re: Hesse noble territories #germany

P. S. Wyant <p.wyant@...>
 

Judith,

I'd suggest taking a look at Jensen, "The Hessen Areas of Germany", in
German Genealogical Digest, Vol. 9, No. 3 (Press American, Autumn,
1993), pp. 74 - 85 ... a very good resource for the history of Hessen. Regards,

Peter Wyant Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada <p.wyant@...>

Judith Goldsmith wrote:

Lars Menk recently suggested that Erdmannrode possibly belonged to
one of the small noble territories in eastern Hesse that before 1800
permitted Jews to settle there to improve their financial situation.
How can I find out about these Hesse noble territories? Is there a list
of them somewhere?
A book, hopefully in English? (I can't read German, unfortunately.)
I would not be surprised if this was reason behind a number of small
out-of-the-way Hesse towns that had quite a few Jews in the 1800s.
Judith Goldsmith Oakland, California <judithgoldsmith@...>

Hesse noble territories #germany

Judith Goldsmith <judithgoldsmith@...>
 

Greetings dear Gersiggers:

Lars Menk recently suggested to me the solution of a longtime mystery.
Some 142 Jews lived in the tiny town of Erdmannrode in Hesse in 1835.
The town is not on a railroad line or near any of the market towns,
and most of the Jews living there in the 1800s were cattle dealers.

Emily Rose's wonderful book suggests that they became cattle dealers
because they probably had no other trade skills, possibly because
entrance to trade guilds for Jews at that time was very limited.

(The book also suggests that cattle dealers did quite well financially,
although they had to be on the road a lot.)

Lars has suggested that Erdmannrode possibly belonged to
one of the small noble territories in eastern Hesse that before 1800
permitted Jews to settle there to improve their financial situation.

How can I find out about these Hesse noble territories? Is there a list
of them somewhere?

A book, hopefully in English? (I can't read German, unfortunately.)
I would not be surprised if this was reason behind a number of small
out-of-the-way Hesse towns that had quite a few Jews in the 1800s. Thanks again,

Judith Goldsmith Oakland, California <judithgoldsmith@...>

(Please don't write to ask about the GOLDSCHMIDT line if you don't have
connections to Hesse. Go to Roger Cibella's site:
http://www.geocities.com/rcibella/goldschmidt.htm
The Goldschmidt name was very common, and so far I can't find
connections to any but my direct line.)

German SIG #Germany Hesse noble territories #germany

Judith Goldsmith <judithgoldsmith@...>
 

Greetings dear Gersiggers:

Lars Menk recently suggested to me the solution of a longtime mystery.
Some 142 Jews lived in the tiny town of Erdmannrode in Hesse in 1835.
The town is not on a railroad line or near any of the market towns,
and most of the Jews living there in the 1800s were cattle dealers.

Emily Rose's wonderful book suggests that they became cattle dealers
because they probably had no other trade skills, possibly because
entrance to trade guilds for Jews at that time was very limited.

(The book also suggests that cattle dealers did quite well financially,
although they had to be on the road a lot.)

Lars has suggested that Erdmannrode possibly belonged to
one of the small noble territories in eastern Hesse that before 1800
permitted Jews to settle there to improve their financial situation.

How can I find out about these Hesse noble territories? Is there a list
of them somewhere?

A book, hopefully in English? (I can't read German, unfortunately.)
I would not be surprised if this was reason behind a number of small
out-of-the-way Hesse towns that had quite a few Jews in the 1800s. Thanks again,

Judith Goldsmith Oakland, California <judithgoldsmith@...>

(Please don't write to ask about the GOLDSCHMIDT line if you don't have
connections to Hesse. Go to Roger Cibella's site:
http://www.geocities.com/rcibella/goldschmidt.htm
The Goldschmidt name was very common, and so far I can't find
connections to any but my direct line.)

barbasch/zaleshiki #galicia

milton koch <miltonkoch@...>
 

I am trying to get information about Gershon Barbasch, born in Zaleshiki. He
MAY be my g-grandfather. I am trying to determine if he married, moved to
Podwolschiska and then to Vienna?

Milton Koch
Potomac, MD ,USA

Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia barbasch/zaleshiki #galicia

milton koch <miltonkoch@...>
 

I am trying to get information about Gershon Barbasch, born in Zaleshiki. He
MAY be my g-grandfather. I am trying to determine if he married, moved to
Podwolschiska and then to Vienna?

Milton Koch
Potomac, MD ,USA

Re: Shraga Feivish #rabbinic

MBernet@...
 

On 2005.03.12, Lainey Melnick <lmelnick@...> writes:

I've noticed the name Shraga Feivish in rabbinical posts and was
wondering if this was a common name or if it's likely there's a
relationship to a rabbi by this name?
Feivish is a name with a long and strange history. It came
originally to Germany nearly a thousand years ago >from the name
Vives, a French translation of the Hebrew Chaim (Life).
Subsequently, it went through a variety of forms, Fish, Fibus,
Fiebig, Fabian, Fischman, Fibush. Inevitably, in the 16th-17th
century, Fibus acquired the spelling Phoebus. Nice Jewish name.
Sounded good, too, to the Gentiles.

Then came a shocking development. Someone with a little education
in the Greco-Roman classics discovered that Phoebus was identical
with Apollo as the sun god. Gevalt: Rabbi Meshullam Phoebus Ben
Israel Samuel, Rabbi of Brest Litovsk and Cracow was named after a
heathen god; so were Rabbi Moses Ben Eliezer Phoebus Koerner, Rabbi
Abraham Ben Samuel Feivush Phoebus, Rabbi Nathan Vidal ben Samuel
Phoebus ben Moses Te'omim of Vienna, Rabbi Isaac ben Phoebus, Chief
Rabbi of Moravia . . . all named after the same heathen god!

So Jews translated it back into Hebrew. The sun god? Let's name
him Uri which suggests "our God" as the source of light. Or what
about Shraga, a nice Aramaic name that might have come straight from
the Talmud? The name means candle, but a Talmudic candle obviously
shines even brighter than a Greek sun god

Soon enough, their descendants changed the forbidden name Phoebus to
Uri and for good measure twinned that name with Shraga. So, Uri
Shraga has become a popular name among Ashkenazim, sometimes coupled
with Feivush or Fishbein or Fabian. Lots of rabbis, especially in
Eastern Europe, bore those names, but so did many laymen. The
German-Jewish (and apostate) poet Heinrich Heine mentioned the
Feivush-Phoebus in his Der Rabbi von Bacharach (1840):

< Und da heiss er Rabbi Faibisch, was auf hochdeutsch heisst Apllo"
(and he is called Rabbi Faibisch, which in German is Apollo). >

Michael Bernet, New York

Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Shraga Feivish #rabbinic

MBernet@...
 

On 2005.03.12, Lainey Melnick <lmelnick@...> writes:

I've noticed the name Shraga Feivish in rabbinical posts and was
wondering if this was a common name or if it's likely there's a
relationship to a rabbi by this name?
Feivish is a name with a long and strange history. It came
originally to Germany nearly a thousand years ago >from the name
Vives, a French translation of the Hebrew Chaim (Life).
Subsequently, it went through a variety of forms, Fish, Fibus,
Fiebig, Fabian, Fischman, Fibush. Inevitably, in the 16th-17th
century, Fibus acquired the spelling Phoebus. Nice Jewish name.
Sounded good, too, to the Gentiles.

Then came a shocking development. Someone with a little education
in the Greco-Roman classics discovered that Phoebus was identical
with Apollo as the sun god. Gevalt: Rabbi Meshullam Phoebus Ben
Israel Samuel, Rabbi of Brest Litovsk and Cracow was named after a
heathen god; so were Rabbi Moses Ben Eliezer Phoebus Koerner, Rabbi
Abraham Ben Samuel Feivush Phoebus, Rabbi Nathan Vidal ben Samuel
Phoebus ben Moses Te'omim of Vienna, Rabbi Isaac ben Phoebus, Chief
Rabbi of Moravia . . . all named after the same heathen god!

So Jews translated it back into Hebrew. The sun god? Let's name
him Uri which suggests "our God" as the source of light. Or what
about Shraga, a nice Aramaic name that might have come straight from
the Talmud? The name means candle, but a Talmudic candle obviously
shines even brighter than a Greek sun god

Soon enough, their descendants changed the forbidden name Phoebus to
Uri and for good measure twinned that name with Shraga. So, Uri
Shraga has become a popular name among Ashkenazim, sometimes coupled
with Feivush or Fishbein or Fabian. Lots of rabbis, especially in
Eastern Europe, bore those names, but so did many laymen. The
German-Jewish (and apostate) poet Heinrich Heine mentioned the
Feivush-Phoebus in his Der Rabbi von Bacharach (1840):

< Und da heiss er Rabbi Faibisch, was auf hochdeutsch heisst Apllo"
(and he is called Rabbi Faibisch, which in German is Apollo). >

Michael Bernet, New York

Belilovka, Ukraine #ukraine

Shelly Crane
 

Dear Ukraine sigsters,

I have been very unsuccessful in finding information about the shtetl,
Belilovka where my GLASS and SHIFFMAN relatives lived in the Ukraine. This town
is approximately 60 km >from Vinnitsa and not too far >from Kiev. Any
suggestions on researching this town and locating names of landsman, would be much
appreciated!

Thank you!

Shelly Crane
_crzprncess@... (mailto:crzprncess@...)

Other SURNAMES I'm researching include: BARANOWICZ, BOJMALGRYN, BRZOZA,
BUKOWICZ, DAWIDOWICZ, DOMB, FLASTERSTEIN, FRAJND/FROYD/FRYDMAN, FROMSEN,
GABELMAN, GLASS, GORELIK, GOROWSKI, HORNFRYD, JANASZOWICZ, KOBRIN, KWATCHINSKY,
LANGUS/LENGA/LANG, LEFELMAN, LIPOVETSKI LIPOVICH/LIPOWICZ/LIPOFF, LIPSZYC,
MILOVITCH/MILOWICZ, MILSZTEJN, NAJMARK, NIRENBERG, OROWICZ, PIECHOTA,
TOCZYLOWSKI, WAJNSZTOK, WINICKA WITRIOL,

Re: "Valkowisk "= Wolkowsik ( Name of birthplace} #ukraine

NFatouros@...
 

In a message dated 3/13/05 6:48:56 AM, williamgordon99@... writes:

<< ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I am not sure if this question should be posted here.
However, JewishGen does not have a listing for this
birthplace name.
My wife's great uncle said in his Declaration of Intention
that he was born in Valkowisk, Russian Poland. Does anyone
know where or what community that name actually represents.
William Gordon
Albuquerque, NM
Searching GROENOFSKY >>

The town Mr. Gordon inquired about is most probably Wolkowisk. There is a lot
about this place on the Internet and also at Jewishgen. "Wolkowisk" is also
the name of the county in which the town was located.

When in wonder about the spelling of a town name it is always a good idea to
try Jewishgen's Shtetl Seeker. Do a search using the spelling of the name as
it was reported, or as it sounded, and do another search using the Daitch
Mokotoff variant utility.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.

Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Belilovka, Ukraine #ukraine

Shelly Crane
 

Dear Ukraine sigsters,

I have been very unsuccessful in finding information about the shtetl,
Belilovka where my GLASS and SHIFFMAN relatives lived in the Ukraine. This town
is approximately 60 km >from Vinnitsa and not too far >from Kiev. Any
suggestions on researching this town and locating names of landsman, would be much
appreciated!

Thank you!

Shelly Crane
_crzprncess@... (mailto:crzprncess@...)

Other SURNAMES I'm researching include: BARANOWICZ, BOJMALGRYN, BRZOZA,
BUKOWICZ, DAWIDOWICZ, DOMB, FLASTERSTEIN, FRAJND/FROYD/FRYDMAN, FROMSEN,
GABELMAN, GLASS, GORELIK, GOROWSKI, HORNFRYD, JANASZOWICZ, KOBRIN, KWATCHINSKY,
LANGUS/LENGA/LANG, LEFELMAN, LIPOVETSKI LIPOVICH/LIPOWICZ/LIPOFF, LIPSZYC,
MILOVITCH/MILOWICZ, MILSZTEJN, NAJMARK, NIRENBERG, OROWICZ, PIECHOTA,
TOCZYLOWSKI, WAJNSZTOK, WINICKA WITRIOL,

Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: "Valkowisk "= Wolkowsik ( Name of birthplace} #ukraine

NFatouros@...
 

In a message dated 3/13/05 6:48:56 AM, williamgordon99@... writes:

<< ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I am not sure if this question should be posted here.
However, JewishGen does not have a listing for this
birthplace name.
My wife's great uncle said in his Declaration of Intention
that he was born in Valkowisk, Russian Poland. Does anyone
know where or what community that name actually represents.
William Gordon
Albuquerque, NM
Searching GROENOFSKY >>

The town Mr. Gordon inquired about is most probably Wolkowisk. There is a lot
about this place on the Internet and also at Jewishgen. "Wolkowisk" is also
the name of the county in which the town was located.

When in wonder about the spelling of a town name it is always a good idea to
try Jewishgen's Shtetl Seeker. Do a search using the spelling of the name as
it was reported, or as it sounded, and do another search using the Daitch
Mokotoff variant utility.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.

Initials on silver cutlery- Useful for genealogists? #germany

Ariane Mil
 

Dear Genners

I would like to know how were the customs in the different centuries and
regions to put the first initials of the names of the bride in the cutlery,
which she brought as dowry for her wedding.

Initials of first name and married name?
Initials of first name and maiden name?
Initials of married name and maiden name?

I have a scoop of my late grandmother and I would like to find out, if my
grandmother was using it or my gggrandmother. My grand-mere was born as Zoe
NETTER, everybody called her Suzanne, she married Joseph GUNTZBURGER. The
initials of the scoop are ZG

Or could the scoop be of her grandmother (Sophie GUGGENHEIM married to Max
ZIVI) ZG for ZIVI-GUGGENHEIM?

It would be nice to hear, how were the customs in the different regions of
Alsace, Germany, Switzerland, Poland etc. With kind regards

Ariane Mil, Zurich, Switzerland ariane.mil@...

MODERATOR NOTE: This is the kind of question that is best answered
off-list. A summary of the replies can be posted later if those
replies lead to any meaningful conclusion. We will post citations
of authoritative published information on the subject but personal
opinions should be sent privately.

German SIG #Germany Initials on silver cutlery- Useful for genealogists? #germany

Ariane Mil
 

Dear Genners

I would like to know how were the customs in the different centuries and
regions to put the first initials of the names of the bride in the cutlery,
which she brought as dowry for her wedding.

Initials of first name and married name?
Initials of first name and maiden name?
Initials of married name and maiden name?

I have a scoop of my late grandmother and I would like to find out, if my
grandmother was using it or my gggrandmother. My grand-mere was born as Zoe
NETTER, everybody called her Suzanne, she married Joseph GUNTZBURGER. The
initials of the scoop are ZG

Or could the scoop be of her grandmother (Sophie GUGGENHEIM married to Max
ZIVI) ZG for ZIVI-GUGGENHEIM?

It would be nice to hear, how were the customs in the different regions of
Alsace, Germany, Switzerland, Poland etc. With kind regards

Ariane Mil, Zurich, Switzerland ariane.mil@...

MODERATOR NOTE: This is the kind of question that is best answered
off-list. A summary of the replies can be posted later if those
replies lead to any meaningful conclusion. We will post citations
of authoritative published information on the subject but personal
opinions should be sent privately.

Re: Restrictions on Jewish marriages #germany

Werner Zimmt <wsz@...>
 

An Addition to Arlene Sachs' message:
Until well into the 19th century Bavaria had laws (or statutes)
designed to limit the number of Jews that could marry.

At that time only the eldest son was allowed to marry, and he
had to provide proof of : a minimum income, a recognizable trade
(in the sense of a skill like carpenter), or an estate that would
allow sufficient income.

I personally believe that that was one reason that many men
adopted family names other than their father's name.
That way the State couldn't prevent them >from marrying.

Werner Zimmt Tucson, AZ

MODERATOR NOTE: We always appreciate your including some reference
to a documentary source of confirming and additional information.

German SIG #Germany Re: Restrictions on Jewish marriages #germany

Werner Zimmt <wsz@...>
 

An Addition to Arlene Sachs' message:
Until well into the 19th century Bavaria had laws (or statutes)
designed to limit the number of Jews that could marry.

At that time only the eldest son was allowed to marry, and he
had to provide proof of : a minimum income, a recognizable trade
(in the sense of a skill like carpenter), or an estate that would
allow sufficient income.

I personally believe that that was one reason that many men
adopted family names other than their father's name.
That way the State couldn't prevent them >from marrying.

Werner Zimmt Tucson, AZ

MODERATOR NOTE: We always appreciate your including some reference
to a documentary source of confirming and additional information.

Some more professions in Vienna #austria-czech

Andrew Schwartz <anschwartz@...>
 

I like the following one:

Reisender Huhneraugenarzt (Umlaut at u)
This translates as: "Traveling chicken oculist"

Maybe the chicken crossed the road but could not see the oncoming car. <g>

...
Andy Schwartz
researching FREUND

Book by Pribram #austria-czech

Florence & Henry Wellisch <kelwel@...>
 

Does someone in this group have access to the 2 vol. book by A.F. Pribram,
entitled 'Urkunden und Akten zur Geschichte der Juden in Wien.' If so please
get back to me privately.
Henry Wellisch
Toronto