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Leningrad case #general

Roman Ravve
 

Dear Jewishgeners,

Let me share the part of the case, which might be interesting for
those who researching Leningrad.

In April 2014, Russia announced a new amendment to the `Law of
Citizenship'. This allows people with direct ancestors, who
permanently reside in the modern territory of the Russian Federation
and who are `Russian Native speakers` to obtain Russian citizenship.
However, it is not only important to provide the Russian birth record
of the grandparents but also evidence that proves that they were
`permanent residents ' of places that were once in the Russian Empire
or Soviet Union, but are now in the Russian Federation. This has led
to a rapidly increasing demand for research into Russian ancestry.

A case I am working on at the moment gives a glimpse into the research required.

All that is known of the client's grandfather was that he was born in
Ukraine and spent between 1941 to 1943 in besieged Leningrad, but no
documents remained. After World War II, he relocated to Kiev for the
rest of his life. The task was to check whether he was a permanent
resident of Leningrad (now Russian St Petersburg).

The website pamyat-naroda.ru contains the open database of the indexed
military WWII records stored in the Military Archives of the Russian
Federation (in Moscow Oblast). Searching by the name, the registration
card >from one of the 'transition centres' where soldiers had been
staying as they moved >from one dislocation point to another, was
found. The registration card contained the title of the military
branch in Leningrad that was responsible for conscripting the client's grandfather.

The branch is still in operation and had managed to preserve its
internal archive during the years of wartime bombing and chaos. It
contained the grandfather's file with the home address in Leningrad
and his employment information. However, the actual building of the
home address no longer exists, although information relating to it is
stored in the relevant city district agencies. On application, the
relevant agency searched through the remnants of its archive and found
the document that recorded the client's grandfather as permanently
registered as living at that address, even though the building no longer existed.

With the permanent residence document, and proof of the client's relationship with
her grandfather, she is now able to visit any major Russian city to undertake the
special 'exam on the status of the compatriot and Russian native speaker'. This,
in turn, gives the right to access a permanent residence permit (and then
citizenship) in the Russian Federation.

Regards,
Roman Ravve


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Leningrad case #general

Roman Ravve
 

Dear Jewishgeners,

Let me share the part of the case, which might be interesting for
those who researching Leningrad.

In April 2014, Russia announced a new amendment to the `Law of
Citizenship'. This allows people with direct ancestors, who
permanently reside in the modern territory of the Russian Federation
and who are `Russian Native speakers` to obtain Russian citizenship.
However, it is not only important to provide the Russian birth record
of the grandparents but also evidence that proves that they were
`permanent residents ' of places that were once in the Russian Empire
or Soviet Union, but are now in the Russian Federation. This has led
to a rapidly increasing demand for research into Russian ancestry.

A case I am working on at the moment gives a glimpse into the research required.

All that is known of the client's grandfather was that he was born in
Ukraine and spent between 1941 to 1943 in besieged Leningrad, but no
documents remained. After World War II, he relocated to Kiev for the
rest of his life. The task was to check whether he was a permanent
resident of Leningrad (now Russian St Petersburg).

The website pamyat-naroda.ru contains the open database of the indexed
military WWII records stored in the Military Archives of the Russian
Federation (in Moscow Oblast). Searching by the name, the registration
card >from one of the 'transition centres' where soldiers had been
staying as they moved >from one dislocation point to another, was
found. The registration card contained the title of the military
branch in Leningrad that was responsible for conscripting the client's grandfather.

The branch is still in operation and had managed to preserve its
internal archive during the years of wartime bombing and chaos. It
contained the grandfather's file with the home address in Leningrad
and his employment information. However, the actual building of the
home address no longer exists, although information relating to it is
stored in the relevant city district agencies. On application, the
relevant agency searched through the remnants of its archive and found
the document that recorded the client's grandfather as permanently
registered as living at that address, even though the building no longer existed.

With the permanent residence document, and proof of the client's relationship with
her grandfather, she is now able to visit any major Russian city to undertake the
special 'exam on the status of the compatriot and Russian native speaker'. This,
in turn, gives the right to access a permanent residence permit (and then
citizenship) in the Russian Federation.

Regards,
Roman Ravve


Chava Agmon #poland

ingrid rockberger
 

IGRA and the Israeli genealogy community deeply mourn the death
of Chava Agmon (b. Eve Marie Nadelman). Known as the "Grande Dame"
of Israeli genealogy, Chava was involved in genealogy in Israel
for many years and was one of the founding and most devoted members
of JFRA (Jewish Family Research Association), one of the forerunners
of IGRA. Chava was a feisty, feminist, no-nonsense character and
attended meetings whenever she could - even up to a few months ago.

When offered free membership as she entered her 90th year, she would
not hear of it and insisted on giving her membership money as a donation.

Chava was a descendant of R. Joseph Chaim Caro (1805-1895) of Wloclawek,
Poznan, Poland, and, after inheriting several family manuscripts,
she spent many years resesearching the family, and eventually
donated her research to the Jacobi collection at the National
Library of Israel. She was responsible for the addenda to the
Chronicle of the Caro family written by Jakob Caro in 1891.

For more about Chava Agmon: http://sefarad.org/lm/017/kara.html

May her memory be for a blessing.

On behalf of IGRA

Ingrid Rockberger
Co- Chair,Sharon Branch
Israel Genealogy Research Association.


JRI Poland #Poland Chava Agmon #poland

ingrid rockberger
 

IGRA and the Israeli genealogy community deeply mourn the death
of Chava Agmon (b. Eve Marie Nadelman). Known as the "Grande Dame"
of Israeli genealogy, Chava was involved in genealogy in Israel
for many years and was one of the founding and most devoted members
of JFRA (Jewish Family Research Association), one of the forerunners
of IGRA. Chava was a feisty, feminist, no-nonsense character and
attended meetings whenever she could - even up to a few months ago.

When offered free membership as she entered her 90th year, she would
not hear of it and insisted on giving her membership money as a donation.

Chava was a descendant of R. Joseph Chaim Caro (1805-1895) of Wloclawek,
Poznan, Poland, and, after inheriting several family manuscripts,
she spent many years resesearching the family, and eventually
donated her research to the Jacobi collection at the National
Library of Israel. She was responsible for the addenda to the
Chronicle of the Caro family written by Jakob Caro in 1891.

For more about Chava Agmon: http://sefarad.org/lm/017/kara.html

May her memory be for a blessing.

On behalf of IGRA

Ingrid Rockberger
Co- Chair,Sharon Branch
Israel Genealogy Research Association.


Re: Conscription and name changes #general

Herbert Lazerow
 

Trudy Barch wrote:
<An European name prior to 1900 that was changed because of conscription
'problems'- how can I find the original name? and prove it is the same
family/person?>

Not easily. First, try to get his or her Jewish name. The best source of this
would be the person's tombstone or ketubah. Lacking either of those
sources, you might be able to find the given names of the person's
father and mother on that person's death certificate or application
for a social security card. If both names are common names, like
Avraham ben Yaakov, it will be more difficult than if both names are less common.

Second, look for an approximate date of birth or date of marriage.

Third, try to get the same information for the individual's siblings.Then go to the
records for the town >from which you think he came and try to match a person with
that name who was born or married around the right time. But be aware that our
ancestors often had two given names, like Avraham Volf or Tzvi Girsh, and official
records for the same individual may show only the first, only the second, or both
given names.
Bert
--
Herbert Lazerow
lazer@sandiego.edu


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Conscription and name changes #general

Herbert Lazerow
 

Trudy Barch wrote:
<An European name prior to 1900 that was changed because of conscription
'problems'- how can I find the original name? and prove it is the same
family/person?>

Not easily. First, try to get his or her Jewish name. The best source of this
would be the person's tombstone or ketubah. Lacking either of those
sources, you might be able to find the given names of the person's
father and mother on that person's death certificate or application
for a social security card. If both names are common names, like
Avraham ben Yaakov, it will be more difficult than if both names are less common.

Second, look for an approximate date of birth or date of marriage.

Third, try to get the same information for the individual's siblings.Then go to the
records for the town >from which you think he came and try to match a person with
that name who was born or married around the right time. But be aware that our
ancestors often had two given names, like Avraham Volf or Tzvi Girsh, and official
records for the same individual may show only the first, only the second, or both
given names.
Bert
--
Herbert Lazerow
lazer@sandiego.edu


Transport from the Kovno Ghetto to Klooga #general

boris
 

For as long as I know my wife and her family, I heard that my father-in-law's kid
sister was murdered in one of the Kinder Aktions in the Ghetto. A few days ago, we
heard a different story, for the first time ever.

When the Ghetto was liquidated, my wife's grandmother was shipped to Klooga
concentration camp. Now we learn she was, supposedly, with her then 4 y.o. daughter
on the train. At some point, Ukrainian guards went through the train and took away
all children.

If anybody heard a similar story, please share on the forum or feel free to
write me directly.

Otherwise,

Happy New Year everybody!

Boris Feldblyum
boris@bfcollection.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Transport from the Kovno Ghetto to Klooga #general

boris
 

For as long as I know my wife and her family, I heard that my father-in-law's kid
sister was murdered in one of the Kinder Aktions in the Ghetto. A few days ago, we
heard a different story, for the first time ever.

When the Ghetto was liquidated, my wife's grandmother was shipped to Klooga
concentration camp. Now we learn she was, supposedly, with her then 4 y.o. daughter
on the train. At some point, Ukrainian guards went through the train and took away
all children.

If anybody heard a similar story, please share on the forum or feel free to
write me directly.

Otherwise,

Happy New Year everybody!

Boris Feldblyum
boris@bfcollection.net


Re: Zjepjelin? #general

Phyllis Kramer
 

Eric Feinstein asked: Does anyone know a place called Zjepjelin in
pre-1914 Russia? It could be in Lithuania or Belarus.

As we know, pre 1914 in the Russian Empire covers most of todays
Russia, Lithuania, Latvia, Belarus, Ukraine and a few other territories.

The way i approach this is to begin with the JewishGen Community Pages...doing a
search for "sounds like" zepelin...and clicking the box for pre1914 Russian Empire.

There were 5 responses of towns sounding like Zepelin, with Jewish
populations and institutions... around 1900...i think the most likely is
Izabelin, Belarus 136 miles WSW of Minsk..Also known as Izabelin
[Rus, Pol, Bel], Zabelin [Yid], Azabelin. It was Izabelin in Grodno Gubernya.
I selected this town of the 5 responses because: first, P and B sound alike and
often clerks make errors writing down the spoken word.
second, the yiddish name for the town was Zabelin
third, it had a much higher number of researchers registerred on JGFF for the town.

Hope this helps
ps: we teach a course in using JewishGen and its wonderful databases,
in the fourth quarter of the year...
Phyllis Kramer, New York City, Palm Beach Gardens, Fla
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc: https://www.JewishGen.org/education
family web site: https://KehilaLinks.JewishGen.org/Krosno/Kramer.htm


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Zjepjelin? #general

Phyllis Kramer
 

Eric Feinstein asked: Does anyone know a place called Zjepjelin in
pre-1914 Russia? It could be in Lithuania or Belarus.

As we know, pre 1914 in the Russian Empire covers most of todays
Russia, Lithuania, Latvia, Belarus, Ukraine and a few other territories.

The way i approach this is to begin with the JewishGen Community Pages...doing a
search for "sounds like" zepelin...and clicking the box for pre1914 Russian Empire.

There were 5 responses of towns sounding like Zepelin, with Jewish
populations and institutions... around 1900...i think the most likely is
Izabelin, Belarus 136 miles WSW of Minsk..Also known as Izabelin
[Rus, Pol, Bel], Zabelin [Yid], Azabelin. It was Izabelin in Grodno Gubernya.
I selected this town of the 5 responses because: first, P and B sound alike and
often clerks make errors writing down the spoken word.
second, the yiddish name for the town was Zabelin
third, it had a much higher number of researchers registerred on JGFF for the town.

Hope this helps
ps: we teach a course in using JewishGen and its wonderful databases,
in the fourth quarter of the year...
Phyllis Kramer, New York City, Palm Beach Gardens, Fla
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc: https://www.JewishGen.org/education
family web site: https://KehilaLinks.JewishGen.org/Krosno/Kramer.htm


Info re Jozef Karol Weissberg #galicia

Palekaiko
 

I need help, a lot of help, discovering information and the fate of my
cousin, Jozef Karol Weissberg.

Here's what I know.
- Norbert was born in 1887, to Meir Weissberg and Chane Sara Gold
in Stanislawow, Poland.
- Siblings Frydryka, Klara and Wilhelm Weissberg reportedly
perished in the Holocaust.
- Lived (Bema Street 12) and worked in L'viv, Ukraine as a tax clerk.
- Formerly changed religion to Catholic, 10 Feb 1921.
- Wrote pornographic books/poems under the name Jozef Bialogorski.

I was able to find information about his uncle, Norbert
Aleksandrowicz (brother to Jozef's mother, Frydryka Weissberg
Aleksandrowicz). Norbert survived the war by hiding in a farm in
Stanislawow, later being re-settled in Klodzko.

Any information, anything at all, no matter how trivial would be
appreciated.

Michael Diamant
Hawaii
Researching Weissberg & Aleksandrowicz


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Info re Jozef Karol Weissberg #galicia

Palekaiko
 

I need help, a lot of help, discovering information and the fate of my
cousin, Jozef Karol Weissberg.

Here's what I know.
- Norbert was born in 1887, to Meir Weissberg and Chane Sara Gold
in Stanislawow, Poland.
- Siblings Frydryka, Klara and Wilhelm Weissberg reportedly
perished in the Holocaust.
- Lived (Bema Street 12) and worked in L'viv, Ukraine as a tax clerk.
- Formerly changed religion to Catholic, 10 Feb 1921.
- Wrote pornographic books/poems under the name Jozef Bialogorski.

I was able to find information about his uncle, Norbert
Aleksandrowicz (brother to Jozef's mother, Frydryka Weissberg
Aleksandrowicz). Norbert survived the war by hiding in a farm in
Stanislawow, later being re-settled in Klodzko.

Any information, anything at all, no matter how trivial would be
appreciated.

Michael Diamant
Hawaii
Researching Weissberg & Aleksandrowicz


Given Names Pepi and Betti #hungary

info@...
 

Hello Everyone:

This question concerns the names Peppi/Pepi, and Betti.

Were these given (at birth) names, or, were they nicknames for Josefina and
Erzibet respectively?

Please advise.

Alfred J. Holzman
Miami

Researching:

Holzman: Turcianske RUDNO, Kremnice, Rajec, Banova, Slovakia,

Trostler: Bela, Slovakia

Kohn: Laclava/Laszofalva, Slovakia

Reichert: Suchany, Slovakia

Guttman: Nyirmada, Kisvarda, and Vaja (Szabolcs Megye) Hungary

Winkler: Nyirmada

Guttman: Kassa/Kosice, Slovakia

Weingarten: Kassa/Kosice, Slovakia and Khust, Hungary

Ligety/Ligeti: Kassa/ Kosice

Moderator: Please make sure that your message has a Subject line that describes
the subject of your message rather than your name, H-SIG Digest, or such.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Given Names Pepi and Betti #hungary

info@...
 

Hello Everyone:

This question concerns the names Peppi/Pepi, and Betti.

Were these given (at birth) names, or, were they nicknames for Josefina and
Erzibet respectively?

Please advise.

Alfred J. Holzman
Miami

Researching:

Holzman: Turcianske RUDNO, Kremnice, Rajec, Banova, Slovakia,

Trostler: Bela, Slovakia

Kohn: Laclava/Laszofalva, Slovakia

Reichert: Suchany, Slovakia

Guttman: Nyirmada, Kisvarda, and Vaja (Szabolcs Megye) Hungary

Winkler: Nyirmada

Guttman: Kassa/Kosice, Slovakia

Weingarten: Kassa/Kosice, Slovakia and Khust, Hungary

Ligety/Ligeti: Kassa/ Kosice

Moderator: Please make sure that your message has a Subject line that describes
the subject of your message rather than your name, H-SIG Digest, or such.


Re: Jewish deportees having fought in the French Foreign Legion #france

Jean-Pierre Stroweis
 

Hello,

Alexander Watson asked:

Whilst looking into the cases of Jews of German origin deported from
the French town of Drancy to the death camp of Auschwitz, I have found
that the 2 men of fighting age that I have so far investigated had
also enlisted in the French Foreign Legion. Both had seen active
service, according to their Foreign Legion papers, in Germany, Algeria
and Marocco; both had been living in France since at least 1934.
These two people (Werner MELCHIKER FFL matricule no. 1939/89262
deported 9 September 1942 & Wilhelm ROTHSCHILD FFL matricule no.
1939/91622 deported 2 March 1944) had first of all been interned by
the French government at the outbreak of WW2. Before the end of the
1939 they enlisted to join the Foreign Legion. They were demobilised
when the French capitulated and they both sought to live in what they
believed to be the safety of the so-called Zone-Libre of France.
Neither this, nor their service in the French Army saved them.

I was wondering if anybody on Jewishgen knows of other cases of this
kind, if so I would love to hear >from them.

I would also love to know if somebody has taken the time to fully
investigate cases similar to this so that I might be able to find out
just how many Jews of foreign birth enrolled in the French Foreign
Legion at this time, and what happened to them.

Having gained a certain experience of working with various French
archives, I am also happy to give my time to help people who might
think that members of their families suffered a similar fate.

from various readings, I have counted 5,500 Foreign Jews who volunteered
to French Foreign Legion in the first months after the outburst of World
War II.

My estimate is they amounted up to 25,000 persons (as you can learn below).

They were not accepted in other French army units, and had to join the
Foreign Legion despite deeply rooted antisemitism in this Army branch.

Several regiment units were specially created in Barcares (Pyrenees-Orientales),
La Valbonne (Ain) as well as in North Africa, between September 1939 and
March 1940.
The volunteers learned basic military skills, were poorly trained and with
poor equipment.
They were composed mainly of Spanish Republicans and of Foreign Jews, mainly
Polish Jews but also Jews >from Germany, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Romania,
North Africa, Turkey.Jews signed they volunteer for the period of the war.
The men of these units bravely fought and I estimate that 50% of them were
killed in action in May-June 1940.
Most of these army units were dismantled after the armistice (June 22, 1940).
Survivors and injured men were sent back to their families, and many of the=
m were later caught as civilians by the French police ... and sent to
extermination camps during 1942-1944.

In 2005, the Memorial de la Shoah in Paris had devoted an exhibition to these
Jewish volunteers.
You can find some more details at the following sites in English

http://www.memorialdelashoah.org/en/english-version.html
https://tinyurl.com/y7slw3by
https://tinyurl.com/zeemdue

and in French at

http://www.combattantvolontairejuif.org
http://www.veroniquechemla.info/2015/03/les-engages-volontaires-juifs-etrangers.html

The French Ministry of Defense web site has a database of 53,000 volunteers
in these army units at

http://www.memoiredeshommes.sga.defense.gouv.fr/en/article.php?larub=3D230
(in French).

This repository contains many spelling errors, foreign names were poorly
spelled and the site warns that 25% of the individuals are listed several times.
You can easily check that many volunteers bear Jewish names, therefore
my estimate above.

By comparing the names in this database with the deportation lists, you should
be able to identify many of the volunteers who were later sent to deportation.

Jean-Pierre Stroweis
Jerusalem

Searching:SZTROWAJS (Staszow/Chmielnik, Poland), PTASZNIK (Dzialoszyce, Poland),
MEDAISKI (Vilnius, Lithuania), KAPNIK (Zhytomyr, Ukraine)


French SIG #France RE: Jewish deportees having fought in the French Foreign Legion #france

Jean-Pierre Stroweis
 

Hello,

Alexander Watson asked:

Whilst looking into the cases of Jews of German origin deported from
the French town of Drancy to the death camp of Auschwitz, I have found
that the 2 men of fighting age that I have so far investigated had
also enlisted in the French Foreign Legion. Both had seen active
service, according to their Foreign Legion papers, in Germany, Algeria
and Marocco; both had been living in France since at least 1934.
These two people (Werner MELCHIKER FFL matricule no. 1939/89262
deported 9 September 1942 & Wilhelm ROTHSCHILD FFL matricule no.
1939/91622 deported 2 March 1944) had first of all been interned by
the French government at the outbreak of WW2. Before the end of the
1939 they enlisted to join the Foreign Legion. They were demobilised
when the French capitulated and they both sought to live in what they
believed to be the safety of the so-called Zone-Libre of France.
Neither this, nor their service in the French Army saved them.

I was wondering if anybody on Jewishgen knows of other cases of this
kind, if so I would love to hear >from them.

I would also love to know if somebody has taken the time to fully
investigate cases similar to this so that I might be able to find out
just how many Jews of foreign birth enrolled in the French Foreign
Legion at this time, and what happened to them.

Having gained a certain experience of working with various French
archives, I am also happy to give my time to help people who might
think that members of their families suffered a similar fate.

from various readings, I have counted 5,500 Foreign Jews who volunteered
to French Foreign Legion in the first months after the outburst of World
War II.

My estimate is they amounted up to 25,000 persons (as you can learn below).

They were not accepted in other French army units, and had to join the
Foreign Legion despite deeply rooted antisemitism in this Army branch.

Several regiment units were specially created in Barcares (Pyrenees-Orientales),
La Valbonne (Ain) as well as in North Africa, between September 1939 and
March 1940.
The volunteers learned basic military skills, were poorly trained and with
poor equipment.
They were composed mainly of Spanish Republicans and of Foreign Jews, mainly
Polish Jews but also Jews >from Germany, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Romania,
North Africa, Turkey.Jews signed they volunteer for the period of the war.
The men of these units bravely fought and I estimate that 50% of them were
killed in action in May-June 1940.
Most of these army units were dismantled after the armistice (June 22, 1940).
Survivors and injured men were sent back to their families, and many of the=
m were later caught as civilians by the French police ... and sent to
extermination camps during 1942-1944.

In 2005, the Memorial de la Shoah in Paris had devoted an exhibition to these
Jewish volunteers.
You can find some more details at the following sites in English

http://www.memorialdelashoah.org/en/english-version.html
https://tinyurl.com/y7slw3by
https://tinyurl.com/zeemdue

and in French at

http://www.combattantvolontairejuif.org
http://www.veroniquechemla.info/2015/03/les-engages-volontaires-juifs-etrangers.html

The French Ministry of Defense web site has a database of 53,000 volunteers
in these army units at

http://www.memoiredeshommes.sga.defense.gouv.fr/en/article.php?larub=3D230
(in French).

This repository contains many spelling errors, foreign names were poorly
spelled and the site warns that 25% of the individuals are listed several times.
You can easily check that many volunteers bear Jewish names, therefore
my estimate above.

By comparing the names in this database with the deportation lists, you should
be able to identify many of the volunteers who were later sent to deportation.

Jean-Pierre Stroweis
Jerusalem

Searching:SZTROWAJS (Staszow/Chmielnik, Poland), PTASZNIK (Dzialoszyce, Poland),
MEDAISKI (Vilnius, Lithuania), KAPNIK (Zhytomyr, Ukraine)


Illegitimate WOLF in Huncovce; "Spenglau;" "Nehro" #hungary

Hilary Osofsky
 

I would appreciate it if someone could provide some rationale for why, out =
of the six birth records I have found for my g-g-grandparents' children bor=
n in Hunfalu / Huncovce between 1834 and 1845, it is only the third child, =
born in 1840, whose birth was characterized as illegitimate on the birth ce=
rtificate. For present purposes, I have assumed that the infant was not the=
product of an extra-marital affair.

Although it doesn't appear relevant, I'll add that this child, who evidentl=
y died at birth, was assigned no given name (or gender) except "illegitimat=
e."

Separately, I've been unable to determine the following and am hoping that =
someone might be able to point me in the right direction:

1. The identity of a town, transcribed as "Spenglau" >from an 1858 marriage =
record, on either JewishGen, Cisarik, or Google (the Radix website is block=
ing my computer for technical reasons).

2. Whether "Nehro" might be Nehre, Szepes, Hungary - now Strazky, Presov, S=
lovakia.

Thank you.

Hilary Stein Osofsky
Orinda, California

WOLF: Huncovce, Kral'ova Lehota, Busovce, Nizne Ruzbachy, Veresko (Gomor), =
Maly Slavkov, Jelsava, Sulin, Revuca, Satu Mare, Kosice, Cerveny Kamen,=C2=
=A0Visne Ruzbachy,=C2=A0"Spenglau"
STEIN:=C2=A0 =C2=A0Vychodna, Kral'ova Lehota, Tvrdosin,=C2=A0Liptovska Poru=
bka,=C2=A0Turany, Porubka, Priechod, Lipovec, Liptovsky Mikulas, Liptovsky =
Hradok


Hungary SIG #Hungary Illegitimate WOLF in Huncovce; "Spenglau;" "Nehro" #hungary

Hilary Osofsky
 

I would appreciate it if someone could provide some rationale for why, out =
of the six birth records I have found for my g-g-grandparents' children bor=
n in Hunfalu / Huncovce between 1834 and 1845, it is only the third child, =
born in 1840, whose birth was characterized as illegitimate on the birth ce=
rtificate. For present purposes, I have assumed that the infant was not the=
product of an extra-marital affair.

Although it doesn't appear relevant, I'll add that this child, who evidentl=
y died at birth, was assigned no given name (or gender) except "illegitimat=
e."

Separately, I've been unable to determine the following and am hoping that =
someone might be able to point me in the right direction:

1. The identity of a town, transcribed as "Spenglau" >from an 1858 marriage =
record, on either JewishGen, Cisarik, or Google (the Radix website is block=
ing my computer for technical reasons).

2. Whether "Nehro" might be Nehre, Szepes, Hungary - now Strazky, Presov, S=
lovakia.

Thank you.

Hilary Stein Osofsky
Orinda, California

WOLF: Huncovce, Kral'ova Lehota, Busovce, Nizne Ruzbachy, Veresko (Gomor), =
Maly Slavkov, Jelsava, Sulin, Revuca, Satu Mare, Kosice, Cerveny Kamen,=C2=
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Maramaros Census 1848 #romania

R. David Zvi Wieder <dzwieder@...>
 

Does anybody know how to get a copy of microfilm photos >from the
Hungarian Census 1848 of Szigeti Maramaros without to register yourself
in the Mormon church?


I am looking urgently for following 2 films of the Census of 1848

1848 Hungarian Census Town Kracsfalva County, Maramaros.
Film #719825 Town Kracsfalva County Maramaros
Film # 719825 Town BREB

I would be very thankful for any help and for any other info
Thanks.
All the best
David Zvi Wieder
dzwieder@okmail.co.il


Romania SIG #Romania Maramaros Census 1848 #romania

R. David Zvi Wieder <dzwieder@...>
 

Does anybody know how to get a copy of microfilm photos >from the
Hungarian Census 1848 of Szigeti Maramaros without to register yourself
in the Mormon church?


I am looking urgently for following 2 films of the Census of 1848

1848 Hungarian Census Town Kracsfalva County, Maramaros.
Film #719825 Town Kracsfalva County Maramaros
Film # 719825 Town BREB

I would be very thankful for any help and for any other info
Thanks.
All the best
David Zvi Wieder
dzwieder@okmail.co.il

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