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Re: Vital records for Hessen #germany

Ernest and Doris Stiefel <erstiefel@...>
 

Jewish records of birth, marriages and death for both Hessen (Grossherzog
tum Hessen) and Hessen-Nassau (formerly Kuerfuerstentum Hessen and later
a Prussian province) were kept >from somewhat after 1800 until 1875, the
establishment of the Standesaemter.

The Mormons have filmed most but not all of them. These records can be
found at the three State archives of Hessen, Wiesbaden, Darmstadt and
Marburg and possibly at the places where the event took place. Not all
records are at the State archives. Some can be found at other locations
(I found some in Jerusalem) and some might be lost.

The former "Reichssippenamt" did, towards the end of World War II,
microfilm many Jewish records; copies of these should be at the various
State archives.

Records after 1875 at the Standesaemter are subject to "Darenschutz"
(privacy regulation) and those of direct ancestors can be obtained.

Ernest R. Stiefel , Seattle, Wshington erstiefel@msn.com


German SIG #Germany Re: Vital records for Hessen #germany

Ernest and Doris Stiefel <erstiefel@...>
 

Jewish records of birth, marriages and death for both Hessen (Grossherzog
tum Hessen) and Hessen-Nassau (formerly Kuerfuerstentum Hessen and later
a Prussian province) were kept >from somewhat after 1800 until 1875, the
establishment of the Standesaemter.

The Mormons have filmed most but not all of them. These records can be
found at the three State archives of Hessen, Wiesbaden, Darmstadt and
Marburg and possibly at the places where the event took place. Not all
records are at the State archives. Some can be found at other locations
(I found some in Jerusalem) and some might be lost.

The former "Reichssippenamt" did, towards the end of World War II,
microfilm many Jewish records; copies of these should be at the various
State archives.

Records after 1875 at the Standesaemter are subject to "Darenschutz"
(privacy regulation) and those of direct ancestors can be obtained.

Ernest R. Stiefel , Seattle, Wshington erstiefel@msn.com


Remember Wloszczowa, Poland #poland

Ada Holtzman <ada01@...>
 

The book mentioned in M. Schejtman's message, was published in Poland
in the year 2000, and is about the
lost Jewish community of Wloszczowa, in the district of Kielce,
Poland. It was written by Edyta Gawron >from Krakow, Poland.
The name of the book is: "VLOTSZEVE ZYDZI WE WLOSZCZOWIE W LATACH
1867-1942" (The Jews of Wloszczowa in the years 1867-1942).
It is in Polish and has a summary in English.

Rabbi Hertz (Eidelis) Szymon is mentioned according to the index in
pages
17,26,38,39,40,42,181.

The book is available c/o the writer at email: edgaw@kompit.com.pl and
she will also gladly answer any question you
have regarding the Jews of Wloszczowa.

Shalom,

Ada

Subject: Rabbi Shimon HERTZ - Wloszczowa
From: "M & M. Schejtman" <mario_m@netvision.net.il>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:23:32 +0200
X-Message-Number: 2
My gggrandfather was Rabbi Hertz.
He was born in 1860 and was chief rabbi of Wloszczowa in the 1920's. He
died
Feb. 9th 1928.
I have all the excerpts >from the book: " Vlotsheve: Zydzi we
Wlodzczowie w
Latach
1867-1942"
I am having problems finding information about his earlier life and the
names of
his parents. In the book an Eidelis is mentioned as the rabbi.
searched JRI-Poland and found no mention of my Shimon (plenty of Herc
Herz
Hertz), and no form of Eidelis to be found.
Can anyone help me?

--
Email: ada01@netvision.net.il
Web Site: http://www.zchor.org




--
Email: ada01@netvision.net.il
Web Site: http://www.zchor.org


JRI Poland #Poland Remember Wloszczowa, Poland #poland

Ada Holtzman <ada01@...>
 

The book mentioned in M. Schejtman's message, was published in Poland
in the year 2000, and is about the
lost Jewish community of Wloszczowa, in the district of Kielce,
Poland. It was written by Edyta Gawron >from Krakow, Poland.
The name of the book is: "VLOTSZEVE ZYDZI WE WLOSZCZOWIE W LATACH
1867-1942" (The Jews of Wloszczowa in the years 1867-1942).
It is in Polish and has a summary in English.

Rabbi Hertz (Eidelis) Szymon is mentioned according to the index in
pages
17,26,38,39,40,42,181.

The book is available c/o the writer at email: edgaw@kompit.com.pl and
she will also gladly answer any question you
have regarding the Jews of Wloszczowa.

Shalom,

Ada

Subject: Rabbi Shimon HERTZ - Wloszczowa
From: "M & M. Schejtman" <mario_m@netvision.net.il>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:23:32 +0200
X-Message-Number: 2
My gggrandfather was Rabbi Hertz.
He was born in 1860 and was chief rabbi of Wloszczowa in the 1920's. He
died
Feb. 9th 1928.
I have all the excerpts >from the book: " Vlotsheve: Zydzi we
Wlodzczowie w
Latach
1867-1942"
I am having problems finding information about his earlier life and the
names of
his parents. In the book an Eidelis is mentioned as the rabbi.
searched JRI-Poland and found no mention of my Shimon (plenty of Herc
Herz
Hertz), and no form of Eidelis to be found.
Can anyone help me?

--
Email: ada01@netvision.net.il
Web Site: http://www.zchor.org




--
Email: ada01@netvision.net.il
Web Site: http://www.zchor.org


Finding Soviet Army military records #latvia

Marj Green <marjgreen@...>
 

Dear Latvia SIG,

One of my cousins, JOSEPH GRUZIN, is trying to find a photograph of his
brother, HILLEL GRUZIN.

HILLEL was born in Riga, Latvia in 1923. During WWII, Hillel fled with his
parents and brothers and sisters to Kashkadarin, Uzbekistan. There he joined
the Soviet Army and was in the 43rd Guard Division that helped liberate
Riga, Latvia in 1944. Hillel perished while serving in the army in Latvia on
14 Nov 1944.

The Latvian State Archives have no records on him, although they did have
passport (identity) cards on his parents. I was wondering if perhaps there
would be any Soviet Army military records that might have survived and might
have a photograph of Hillel.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Marj Gruzen Green
Los Altos, CA
marjgreen@mindspring.com
Researching: GRUZIN/ZEN/SIN/SON and FRIEDMANN >from Riga, Gostini, Krustpils,
etc, Latvia and >from Kovno and Vilna, Lithuania. Also researching HOFFMAN

from Ozorkow, Poland, and WESOKEK >from Sierpc, Poland


Latvia SIG #Latvia Finding Soviet Army military records #latvia

Marj Green <marjgreen@...>
 

Dear Latvia SIG,

One of my cousins, JOSEPH GRUZIN, is trying to find a photograph of his
brother, HILLEL GRUZIN.

HILLEL was born in Riga, Latvia in 1923. During WWII, Hillel fled with his
parents and brothers and sisters to Kashkadarin, Uzbekistan. There he joined
the Soviet Army and was in the 43rd Guard Division that helped liberate
Riga, Latvia in 1944. Hillel perished while serving in the army in Latvia on
14 Nov 1944.

The Latvian State Archives have no records on him, although they did have
passport (identity) cards on his parents. I was wondering if perhaps there
would be any Soviet Army military records that might have survived and might
have a photograph of Hillel.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Marj Gruzen Green
Los Altos, CA
marjgreen@mindspring.com
Researching: GRUZIN/ZEN/SIN/SON and FRIEDMANN >from Riga, Gostini, Krustpils,
etc, Latvia and >from Kovno and Vilna, Lithuania. Also researching HOFFMAN

from Ozorkow, Poland, and WESOKEK >from Sierpc, Poland


Ancestry's 1930 every-name index now includes New York #general

Renee Steinig <rsteinig@...>
 

Ancestry.com has added New York (12,259,683 names) to its every-name index
to the 1930 federal census. Also included are Connecticut, Delaware, the
District of Columbia, Georgia, Idaho, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan,
Missouri, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Rhode Island, and Utah.

Because all members of each household are indexed, here's your chance to
search for relatives whose husbands' or parents' names you don't know or
to try alternative searches when the name you do know doesn't produce
results. As usual, we face challenges because of mistakes and misreporting
at the time of the census and misinterpretation by indexers, but when it
works it's a "mechiya."

P.S. When's the last time you visited your local public library's website?
Many libraries offer free access to Ancestry, newspaper indexes,
biographical databases, and other sources of value to genealogists.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills (Long Island), New York
RSteinig@suffolk.lib.ny.us
(No, I'm not a librarian!)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ancestry's 1930 every-name index now includes New York #general

Renee Steinig <rsteinig@...>
 

Ancestry.com has added New York (12,259,683 names) to its every-name index
to the 1930 federal census. Also included are Connecticut, Delaware, the
District of Columbia, Georgia, Idaho, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan,
Missouri, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Rhode Island, and Utah.

Because all members of each household are indexed, here's your chance to
search for relatives whose husbands' or parents' names you don't know or
to try alternative searches when the name you do know doesn't produce
results. As usual, we face challenges because of mistakes and misreporting
at the time of the census and misinterpretation by indexers, but when it
works it's a "mechiya."

P.S. When's the last time you visited your local public library's website?
Many libraries offer free access to Ancestry, newspaper indexes,
biographical databases, and other sources of value to genealogists.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills (Long Island), New York
RSteinig@suffolk.lib.ny.us
(No, I'm not a librarian!)


Re: Ellis Island plaque for Bessie GABRIEL / 1920 census info differs #general

Peter Zavon <PZavon@...>
 

I presume those plaques are framed Certificates >from someone paying to have
those people memorialized on the Wall of Honor at Ellis Island. Anyone
could do that for anyone they *believed* had emigrated through *any* port of
arrival. There was no confirmation of data. So the only error is that
someone relatively modern misunderstood the family history or decided to
list someone they knew had not emigrated. I would not think that would be
particularly shocking to anyone.

--
Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY 14526

PZavon@Rochester.RR.Com

"Dina Aptekar Hill" <DinaHill@attbi.com> wrote

Bessie was born in 1898 and the parents immigrated to New York in 1896
so the census seems to be correct except for that plaque showing that
she went through Ellis Island when she came to the USA. Obviously,
that isn't possible.

So what happened?? How's that possible?? I checked the Ellis Island
Database, but I can't find her. I tried different variations the name
GABRIEL could have been in Russia. Isn't this a little strange???


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ellis Island plaque for Bessie GABRIEL / 1920 census info differs #general

Peter Zavon <PZavon@...>
 

I presume those plaques are framed Certificates >from someone paying to have
those people memorialized on the Wall of Honor at Ellis Island. Anyone
could do that for anyone they *believed* had emigrated through *any* port of
arrival. There was no confirmation of data. So the only error is that
someone relatively modern misunderstood the family history or decided to
list someone they knew had not emigrated. I would not think that would be
particularly shocking to anyone.

--
Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY 14526

PZavon@Rochester.RR.Com

"Dina Aptekar Hill" <DinaHill@attbi.com> wrote

Bessie was born in 1898 and the parents immigrated to New York in 1896
so the census seems to be correct except for that plaque showing that
she went through Ellis Island when she came to the USA. Obviously,
that isn't possible.

So what happened?? How's that possible?? I checked the Ellis Island
Database, but I can't find her. I tried different variations the name
GABRIEL could have been in Russia. Isn't this a little strange???


New Book about the Jews of Harbin - Chinese Eastern Railway #general

K. & L. Bertelsen <lulu@...>
 

Dear fellow researchers

I have just read a fascinating book "Secrets and Spies - The Harbin Files"
by Mara Moustafine, which was published recently by Random House in
Australia ISBN 1 74051 091 7.

The book documents Mara Moustafine's family's history and fate >from Tsarist
Russia to Harbin and under the 1937/8 Stalin Terror in Hailar and Harbin in
Russian Manchuria, and back to the former USSR, Shanghai and eventually
Australia.

It is an incredible record and history of the establishment of the Chinese
Eastern Railway (CER) by the Tsarist Empire in Russian Manchuria, Soviet
repressions, Japanese occupation and Chinese takeover.

Mara was able to obtain incredibly detailed NKVD files >from Russia relating
to the fate of many of her relatives who were deliberately targetted by the
NKVD when thousands of Harbinitsy returned to USSR after the Soviets sold
the CER to the Japanese occupiers in 1935. Many thousands were shot and
the rest were sent to camps for 10 years and then endured years of internal
exile and displacement. This also happened to Jews who had fled west to
Germany and Poland and then been forced by the advent of Hitler to return
to the USSR in the mid to late 1930s.

The history of the establishment of Harbin and the many Jewish and White
Russian families who lived there >from Tsarist times and later on fleeing
from the Russian Revolution is fascinating. The details of Mara's research
are exhaustive and she provides an incredible amount of information for
anyone else who might dare to try and get access to the NKDV files relating
to their own families. But be warned, you need to be able to read Cyrillic
fluently to have even the remotest hope!

Apparently many Tsarist conscripts who had served their 25 years and were
forbidden to return to the Pale settled in Siberia and many of them and
their families moved to Harbin, and later on Shanghai. Also after the
1904-5 Russo-Japanese war, many conscripts stayed in the east and ended up
in Harbin. So Harbin could possibly have been the home of many of our
"missing" relatives who were conscripted and "disappeared".

Mara also has included some online references, including :

Memorial in Moscow - www.memo.ru and
Memorial list of prisons and gulag camps -
www.memo.ru/history/NKVD/GULAG/index.htm

Also the Harbin Jewish Cemetery - www.hrbjewcemetery.com
and
Andrew Jakubowicz's site about the Jews of Shanghai - The Menorah of Fang
Bang Lu -
http://transforming.cultures.uts.edu.au/ShanghaiSite

I strongly recommend that anyone whose family was caught up in the
turbulence of Russia/USSR anytime in the late 19th and early to mid-20th
centuries should try and obtain a copy of this very informative and
easy-to-read book, as I am sure, even if your own family was not involved,
you will be fascinated by Mara's memorial to her own family.

I have no financial or other interest in this book, apart >from the fact
that my own family has indirect links with Harbin, Shanghai, and direct
links with Russia/USSR/The Terror, etc.

Please note, my real address is layakbtl at benalla dot net dot au

Enjoy.

Lorraine Bertelsen
Boho, Downunder

MODERATOR NOTE: The pages referenced above at www.memo.ru appear to be in
Russian, and we are unable to assess their content. To reply to Lorraine
Bertelsen, please follow the instructions in her last paragraph. Do not
use your e-mail "reply" function.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New Book about the Jews of Harbin - Chinese Eastern Railway #general

K. & L. Bertelsen <lulu@...>
 

Dear fellow researchers

I have just read a fascinating book "Secrets and Spies - The Harbin Files"
by Mara Moustafine, which was published recently by Random House in
Australia ISBN 1 74051 091 7.

The book documents Mara Moustafine's family's history and fate >from Tsarist
Russia to Harbin and under the 1937/8 Stalin Terror in Hailar and Harbin in
Russian Manchuria, and back to the former USSR, Shanghai and eventually
Australia.

It is an incredible record and history of the establishment of the Chinese
Eastern Railway (CER) by the Tsarist Empire in Russian Manchuria, Soviet
repressions, Japanese occupation and Chinese takeover.

Mara was able to obtain incredibly detailed NKVD files >from Russia relating
to the fate of many of her relatives who were deliberately targetted by the
NKVD when thousands of Harbinitsy returned to USSR after the Soviets sold
the CER to the Japanese occupiers in 1935. Many thousands were shot and
the rest were sent to camps for 10 years and then endured years of internal
exile and displacement. This also happened to Jews who had fled west to
Germany and Poland and then been forced by the advent of Hitler to return
to the USSR in the mid to late 1930s.

The history of the establishment of Harbin and the many Jewish and White
Russian families who lived there >from Tsarist times and later on fleeing
from the Russian Revolution is fascinating. The details of Mara's research
are exhaustive and she provides an incredible amount of information for
anyone else who might dare to try and get access to the NKDV files relating
to their own families. But be warned, you need to be able to read Cyrillic
fluently to have even the remotest hope!

Apparently many Tsarist conscripts who had served their 25 years and were
forbidden to return to the Pale settled in Siberia and many of them and
their families moved to Harbin, and later on Shanghai. Also after the
1904-5 Russo-Japanese war, many conscripts stayed in the east and ended up
in Harbin. So Harbin could possibly have been the home of many of our
"missing" relatives who were conscripted and "disappeared".

Mara also has included some online references, including :

Memorial in Moscow - www.memo.ru and
Memorial list of prisons and gulag camps -
www.memo.ru/history/NKVD/GULAG/index.htm

Also the Harbin Jewish Cemetery - www.hrbjewcemetery.com
and
Andrew Jakubowicz's site about the Jews of Shanghai - The Menorah of Fang
Bang Lu -
http://transforming.cultures.uts.edu.au/ShanghaiSite

I strongly recommend that anyone whose family was caught up in the
turbulence of Russia/USSR anytime in the late 19th and early to mid-20th
centuries should try and obtain a copy of this very informative and
easy-to-read book, as I am sure, even if your own family was not involved,
you will be fascinated by Mara's memorial to her own family.

I have no financial or other interest in this book, apart >from the fact
that my own family has indirect links with Harbin, Shanghai, and direct
links with Russia/USSR/The Terror, etc.

Please note, my real address is layakbtl at benalla dot net dot au

Enjoy.

Lorraine Bertelsen
Boho, Downunder

MODERATOR NOTE: The pages referenced above at www.memo.ru appear to be in
Russian, and we are unable to assess their content. To reply to Lorraine
Bertelsen, please follow the instructions in her last paragraph. Do not
use your e-mail "reply" function.


Access to family records in Copenhagen #scandinavia

Henry Sinai <hmsinai@...>
 

Dear Siggers:

I am researching my family name SINAI and came across the following entry
from the International Genealogical Index of Family Search:
-----------
JOHANNES SINAI
Marriage:
Spouse: ANNE KIRSTINE MOLLER Family
Marriage: 18 APR 1811 Trinitatis, Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn, Denmark
---------
As far as I know, the family name SINAI is not recorded today anywhere in
Denmark or other Scandinavian countries and am intrigued to know who this
"JOHANNES SINAI" is, where he came >from and who his descendants were etc.?

Can you advise as to the best way of finding out and whom to contact ?

Best regards


Henry Sinai
RAANANA
ISRAEL

Researching:
SINAI and ALL variations (SZINAI, SINAJ, SYNAJ, etc) worldwide
JELLINEK;
PARNES; GOLDENBERG; SOBEL; MOSZKOWSKI
WOLARSKI


Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Access to family records in Copenhagen #scandinavia

Henry Sinai <hmsinai@...>
 

Dear Siggers:

I am researching my family name SINAI and came across the following entry
from the International Genealogical Index of Family Search:
-----------
JOHANNES SINAI
Marriage:
Spouse: ANNE KIRSTINE MOLLER Family
Marriage: 18 APR 1811 Trinitatis, Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn, Denmark
---------
As far as I know, the family name SINAI is not recorded today anywhere in
Denmark or other Scandinavian countries and am intrigued to know who this
"JOHANNES SINAI" is, where he came >from and who his descendants were etc.?

Can you advise as to the best way of finding out and whom to contact ?

Best regards


Henry Sinai
RAANANA
ISRAEL

Researching:
SINAI and ALL variations (SZINAI, SINAJ, SYNAJ, etc) worldwide
JELLINEK;
PARNES; GOLDENBERG; SOBEL; MOSZKOWSKI
WOLARSKI


Re: BRANDON (+ Monies) #scandinavia

Tom Brøndsted <tom@...>
 

Hello Irene.

Brandon - Denmark - The Netherlands ... these words trigger me.
I have a MONIES/MONIS family coming to Copenhagen 1806 >from
The Netherlands. On the Dutch side there is a Lea BRANDON who
may be related to some Brandons already in Copenhagen in the
1790'ies (belonging to the Portuguese Community).
I have not found your Philip BRANDON.
As regards my problem, take a look at:
http://www.brondsted.dk/~tom/genealogi/monies.htm

best regards
Tom Brøndsted

Irene Levita wrote:

I am new with Scandinavian gen. I have been looking for PHILIP BRANDON,
my great-great-grandfather,born before 1832. (1832 was the year his son
was born) I have reason to believe that he may have lived either in
Altona, or Hamburg. He later emigrated to Amsterdam, where my
greatgrandfather was born.
...snip...


Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Re: BRANDON (+ Monies) #scandinavia

Tom Brøndsted <tom@...>
 

Hello Irene.

Brandon - Denmark - The Netherlands ... these words trigger me.
I have a MONIES/MONIS family coming to Copenhagen 1806 >from
The Netherlands. On the Dutch side there is a Lea BRANDON who
may be related to some Brandons already in Copenhagen in the
1790'ies (belonging to the Portuguese Community).
I have not found your Philip BRANDON.
As regards my problem, take a look at:
http://www.brondsted.dk/~tom/genealogi/monies.htm

best regards
Tom Brøndsted

Irene Levita wrote:

I am new with Scandinavian gen. I have been looking for PHILIP BRANDON,
my great-great-grandfather,born before 1832. (1832 was the year his son
was born) I have reason to believe that he may have lived either in
Altona, or Hamburg. He later emigrated to Amsterdam, where my
greatgrandfather was born.
...snip...


searching Greenwood Map #unitedkingdom

Menno & Renée Nykerk <menno-renee@...>
 

Hi List,
I have found this incredible map at http://www.bathspa.ac.uk/greenwood/
but I am not wel enough acquainted with names of towns, areas, parts in
London to enable me to find what I am looking for.
Is there anyone who could point me in the right direction to find how I can
determine in what part of London the Tewkesbury Buildings were situated on
this map?

I have found on the Victorian London A-Z Street Index
at http://www.gendocs.demon.co.uk/lonstr_t.html the following indication:
Tewkesbury Buildings, Whitechapel High Street, WHITECHAPEL [1871]

The Greenwood map dates >from 1827, so how should I go about this? Was
Whitechapel a "new town" built later than 1827 and if so whereabouts?

Another interesting site is The East of London Family History Society (if
you're interested it is at http://eolfhs.rootsweb.com/eolintro.htm ). Not
specifically Jewish.

Thanks for any help.
Regards
Menno Nykerk


Researching:
NYKERK, NIJKERK, (NIEUWKERK or NIEKERK), ERWTEMAN or ERTEMAN, BEFFIE and
WOLFF BEFFIE, ASSCHER, LISSAUER, HOEPELMAN, SUIKERMAN, COLACO OSORIO, GOMES
OSORIO and LOPES COLACO, ABENDANA, SWAAB, SOUGET, de WINTER, SALOMON and
GOLDSMITH of London UK only.


KRONEN / CHECHANOWSKY / FEIN in N.Y.C. 1920's-30's #general

Ira Leviton
 

I am looking for the descendants of Yetta Fein and Charles Kronen (he
came to the U.S. as Chaim Chechanowsky >from Rypin, Poland/Russia). They
were married and lived in Manhattan, and had two boys and possibly one
girl. Charles Kronen died at age 36 >from tuberculosis in 1938 in
Montefiore Hospital in the Bronx. After his death, his side of the family
and Yetta didn't keep in touch, and since I'm >from his side, my trail
stops. I've found his death certificate and grave, but no information on
family. Checking for boys with the last name of Kronen in the N.Y.C.
birth indices >from the time they were married hasn't helped (yet). The
landsmanschaft plot in which he's buried doesn't have information.

Does anybody have any ideas (or better yet, the same names)?

Ira Leviton
New York, N.Y.

LEWITAN and LEVITAN (Myszyniec, Pol.) NIEDOBITEK (Rypin, Pol.)
BLANK (Rzemien and Ropczyce, Pol.) ATLAS (Vienna/Wien, Austria)
REPHAN (Niedzwiada, Mala, and Ropczyce, Pol.)
KORN (Gorlice and Ropczyce, Pol.) STRICK (Mielec and Ropczyce, Pol.)


Re: A Photo Exhibition of Lithuanian Jewish Synagogues taken by Balys Buracas #general

sallybru <sallybru@...>
 

Unfortunately for us in the English-speaking countries, it is more important
for Lithuanians to put their web-sites in their language and get the letters
right, than it is for them to make it 'English-compatible'. We can't expect
the whole world to conform to our desires. What if an Israeli said, "It
should be in Hebrew!" That would make about as much sense.

I am reminded of the reaction of a woman that was in the Mormon Library
where I worked. She had ordered Swedish vital records of her ancestral
town, and said "Why, how do they expect me to read them, they are in
Swedish?" The answer is, of course, they don't expect you to read them.

Genealogists use the resources prepared by people for various reasons,
mostly non-genealogical. We have to take them as we find them, or (as we
have seen in many instances) form committees to translate and index and put
online for all. Then, since most genealogists are English-speaking, the
records will be in the Latin alphabet-unless some Russian/Israeli/Lithuanian
genealogists make up their indices in their own language.

The answer is fairly simple, at least in IE. Go to View pull-down menu,
choose Encoding and then More and pick what looks good. It will either work
or it will make the gibberish worse, in which case put the choice back where
it was. Hint: you may have to install special fonts (available at Microsoft
web-site) to get 'odd' languages like Lithuanian right. There is Lithuanian
(and every other language) Windows which automatically work in the
appropriate language.

"I would like to point out, however, that there is a difficulty
connected with the use of non-ASCII characters, i.e. characters with
diacritical marks. On my screen, for example, because my browser is
not set up specifically for a Lithuanian character set, there are a
lot of characters replaced by question marks. What would have been
more informatively written as "Siauliai", for example, is displayed as
"?iauliai", which doesn't convey much. It would have been better, I
dare say, to sacrifice the special S character, and use the unadorned
S, so that every browser could display a better approximation, though
inexact, to the original."

Sally Bruckheimer
Harrison, NY


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom searching Greenwood Map #unitedkingdom

Menno & Renée Nykerk <menno-renee@...>
 

Hi List,
I have found this incredible map at http://www.bathspa.ac.uk/greenwood/
but I am not wel enough acquainted with names of towns, areas, parts in
London to enable me to find what I am looking for.
Is there anyone who could point me in the right direction to find how I can
determine in what part of London the Tewkesbury Buildings were situated on
this map?

I have found on the Victorian London A-Z Street Index
at http://www.gendocs.demon.co.uk/lonstr_t.html the following indication:
Tewkesbury Buildings, Whitechapel High Street, WHITECHAPEL [1871]

The Greenwood map dates >from 1827, so how should I go about this? Was
Whitechapel a "new town" built later than 1827 and if so whereabouts?

Another interesting site is The East of London Family History Society (if
you're interested it is at http://eolfhs.rootsweb.com/eolintro.htm ). Not
specifically Jewish.

Thanks for any help.
Regards
Menno Nykerk


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