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Clarifying Legitimacy Issue #ukraine

Chuck Weinstein <cweinstein@...>
 

In my post, I was referring to civil law, not Jewish law. Under Russian
civil law, as it was interpreted at different times and different places,
children of a Jewish marriage were not considered legitimate. Jewish law,
which most of our ancestors were more concerned about, made no such
distinction. My point was simply that to interpret the legal (civil)
documents you are finding, you must understand the context of the times. As
I said, an understanding of history is necessary to properly interpret the
information you are finding in researching your family.

Chuck Weinstein in Commack, NY
cweinstein@jewishgen.org


Moderator's note: My husband's maternal grandparents came to this country
in 1920 - - but could not get the visa until they were married in a civil
ceremony, as their Jewish marriage was not recognised as 'legal.'
Those in the family who did not understand this issue, needless to say,
were quite surprised to see this document I found in Salt Lake City.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Clarifying Legitimacy Issue #ukraine

Chuck Weinstein <cweinstein@...>
 

In my post, I was referring to civil law, not Jewish law. Under Russian
civil law, as it was interpreted at different times and different places,
children of a Jewish marriage were not considered legitimate. Jewish law,
which most of our ancestors were more concerned about, made no such
distinction. My point was simply that to interpret the legal (civil)
documents you are finding, you must understand the context of the times. As
I said, an understanding of history is necessary to properly interpret the
information you are finding in researching your family.

Chuck Weinstein in Commack, NY
cweinstein@jewishgen.org


Moderator's note: My husband's maternal grandparents came to this country
in 1920 - - but could not get the visa until they were married in a civil
ceremony, as their Jewish marriage was not recognised as 'legal.'
Those in the family who did not understand this issue, needless to say,
were quite surprised to see this document I found in Salt Lake City.


SOS--HELP ME PLEASE #belarus

RAROSE10@...
 

I need help: My m i l was born in Pogost.What was Terry name for Terry seems
to Americanize coming >from there.The reason that I am asking is that I know
that she immigrated in August of 1905 but can not find her anywhere under
that name. I need a look up to find her passage under that name or a
different name. Her name is Anna Terry.
Her parents are Jacob and Hannah Terry and their other children were
Nathan,Esther and Harry. A note which I found the other day of mine stated
that this was the second wife.so she might have been adopted by cousins. She
was eight years old at the time.

Rose Hoffman


Belarus SIG #Belarus SOS--HELP ME PLEASE #belarus

RAROSE10@...
 

I need help: My m i l was born in Pogost.What was Terry name for Terry seems
to Americanize coming >from there.The reason that I am asking is that I know
that she immigrated in August of 1905 but can not find her anywhere under
that name. I need a look up to find her passage under that name or a
different name. Her name is Anna Terry.
Her parents are Jacob and Hannah Terry and their other children were
Nathan,Esther and Harry. A note which I found the other day of mine stated
that this was the second wife.so she might have been adopted by cousins. She
was eight years old at the time.

Rose Hoffman


Website updated: Danish Virgin Islands #scandinavia

Elsebeth Paikin
 

This is to inform you that the Scandinavia SIG's website has been
updated with some information and links about the Danish Virgin Islands:
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia/virginislands.htm

As always:
Please inform me of any errors, any new information or links and please
share your information with the other Scandinavia-Genners.

Best regards


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Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark
Coordinator & webmaster of JewishGen's
SCANDINAVIA SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia
http://home.worldonline.dk/~epaikin/
mailto:elsebeth@paikin.dk
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Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Website updated: Danish Virgin Islands #scandinavia

Elsebeth Paikin
 

This is to inform you that the Scandinavia SIG's website has been
updated with some information and links about the Danish Virgin Islands:
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia/virginislands.htm

As always:
Please inform me of any errors, any new information or links and please
share your information with the other Scandinavia-Genners.

Best regards


---------------------------------------
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark
Coordinator & webmaster of JewishGen's
SCANDINAVIA SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia
http://home.worldonline.dk/~epaikin/
mailto:elsebeth@paikin.dk
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Y testing by Family Tree DNA reported (twice) in "New England Ancestors" #dna

howard sachs <hfsachs@...>
 

The magazine of New England Historic Genealogical
Society (NEHGS)has articles on Y chromosome testing by
FTDNA in both its most recent issues. The Fall issue
discusses testing excluding two male lines with Rice
surname >from descent >from Edmund, the early Rice
ancestor. The Holiday issue discusses untangling
unrelated Howell families on Long Island and
identifying the earliest ancestor of Jason, the
author's ancestor. A "Genetics & Genealogy" column has
been adopted. Good move.

Howard Frederic Sachs


DNA Research #DNA Y testing by Family Tree DNA reported (twice) in "New England Ancestors" #dna

howard sachs <hfsachs@...>
 

The magazine of New England Historic Genealogical
Society (NEHGS)has articles on Y chromosome testing by
FTDNA in both its most recent issues. The Fall issue
discusses testing excluding two male lines with Rice
surname >from descent >from Edmund, the early Rice
ancestor. The Holiday issue discusses untangling
unrelated Howell families on Long Island and
identifying the earliest ancestor of Jason, the
author's ancestor. A "Genetics & Genealogy" column has
been adopted. Good move.

Howard Frederic Sachs


Re: Researching REUTLINGER from Kirchheim Unter Teck, Stuttgart #germany

Brian Stern <brians@...>
 

I am interested in researching my grandfather's family, specifically his
relationship to Albert Einstein. I have a copy of his family tree dating
back to the 1600's.
You don't give any details about your relationship to A EINSTEIN. For an
extensive EINSTEIN family tree see this page:

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/i/l/Gary-Silverstein/ODT4-0001.html

Brian Stern Lexington, Kentucky USA


German SIG #Germany Re: Researching REUTLINGER from Kirchheim Unter Teck, Stuttgart #germany

Brian Stern <brians@...>
 

I am interested in researching my grandfather's family, specifically his
relationship to Albert Einstein. I have a copy of his family tree dating
back to the 1600's.
You don't give any details about your relationship to A EINSTEIN. For an
extensive EINSTEIN family tree see this page:

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/i/l/Gary-Silverstein/ODT4-0001.html

Brian Stern Lexington, Kentucky USA


Re: Yiddish newspaper London #general

Harold Pollins <snillop@...>
 

Judy Ford wrote:
<
Does any one know where one can locate Yiddish newspaper that were publish
in London before World War 2.>

I think there are copies at the Newspaper Library of the British Library,
London.

Harold Pollins


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Yiddish newspaper London #general

Harold Pollins <snillop@...>
 

Judy Ford wrote:
<
Does any one know where one can locate Yiddish newspaper that were publish
in London before World War 2.>

I think there are copies at the Newspaper Library of the British Library,
London.

Harold Pollins


Choze MiLublin [was: Hayehudi HaKadosh, BIDERMAN and...] #rabbinic

Shabsa A. Lis <shabsa@...>
 

On 2002.22.26, Perets Mett <p.mett@open.ac.uk> wrote:

1. R' Yaakov Yitschok, known as the Yid Hakodosh (Holy Jew) of
Prshiskhe [Przysucha] died on 19 Tishrei 5574 (=1813). [...]

2. He had one son (Yerachmiel) and two daughters (Ryfka Ruchl and
Soro Leya) >from his first wife, Feyge; he had two sons (Osher and
Nechemya Yechiel) >from his second wife, Szajndl.

3. [...]

4. Ryfka Ruchl married R' Moshe BIDERMAN the 2nd Admor of Lelov
[Lelow, In Kielce gubernia]. Their son R' Elozor (or Eliezer)
Menachem Mendl married Feyge Matl SZTERNFELD, gdaughter of the
R' Yaakov Yitschok HOROWICZ-SZTERNFELD, the Chozeh of Lublin.
Perets:

A Pinchos SZTERNFELD lived in Slomniki, Poland in the mid-19th
century. He was married to a LUBLINER (sometimes also listed as
a DANCYGER), whose father Shraga Faivel LUBLINER (1773-1841) of
Slomniki, was said to have taken his surname because he was a
follower of the Choze MiLublin. Members of the LUBLINER family
married into various Chassidic families including BORNSTEIN, and
relatives of the Yid HaKodosh.

Do you (Perets) or anyone know of the descendants of the Choze
MiLublin and where I might see the sources for these descendants?
How and where were the descendants called SZTERNFELD and when
HOROWICZ? Do you know of any connection with Pinchos (who also
had relatives in Olkusz)? Any information on Shraga Faivel?

Thanks for your help.

Shabsa Lis


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Choze MiLublin [was: Hayehudi HaKadosh, BIDERMAN and...] #rabbinic

Shabsa A. Lis <shabsa@...>
 

On 2002.22.26, Perets Mett <p.mett@open.ac.uk> wrote:

1. R' Yaakov Yitschok, known as the Yid Hakodosh (Holy Jew) of
Prshiskhe [Przysucha] died on 19 Tishrei 5574 (=1813). [...]

2. He had one son (Yerachmiel) and two daughters (Ryfka Ruchl and
Soro Leya) >from his first wife, Feyge; he had two sons (Osher and
Nechemya Yechiel) >from his second wife, Szajndl.

3. [...]

4. Ryfka Ruchl married R' Moshe BIDERMAN the 2nd Admor of Lelov
[Lelow, In Kielce gubernia]. Their son R' Elozor (or Eliezer)
Menachem Mendl married Feyge Matl SZTERNFELD, gdaughter of the
R' Yaakov Yitschok HOROWICZ-SZTERNFELD, the Chozeh of Lublin.
Perets:

A Pinchos SZTERNFELD lived in Slomniki, Poland in the mid-19th
century. He was married to a LUBLINER (sometimes also listed as
a DANCYGER), whose father Shraga Faivel LUBLINER (1773-1841) of
Slomniki, was said to have taken his surname because he was a
follower of the Choze MiLublin. Members of the LUBLINER family
married into various Chassidic families including BORNSTEIN, and
relatives of the Yid HaKodosh.

Do you (Perets) or anyone know of the descendants of the Choze
MiLublin and where I might see the sources for these descendants?
How and where were the descendants called SZTERNFELD and when
HOROWICZ? Do you know of any connection with Pinchos (who also
had relatives in Olkusz)? Any information on Shraga Faivel?

Thanks for your help.

Shabsa Lis


Re: Jews in London in the 1870's #general

MBernet@...
 

maciroch@gsinet.net writes:

<< . . . . my grandfather was born there in 1881 of a Jewish father and
(presumably) Christian mother. How might I find a synagogue over there
that might have some records (marriage, et al) that might shed more light
on my ancestors? I have the address where they lived in 1881 >from the
census. >>

==There would most likely be no synagogal record after a member of the
community "married out." Unless the wife converted to Judaism. But he
might have been permitted burial in a special section of the Jewish
cemetery, and that would be recorded. Also, it is possible to effect the
conversion of the child of a non-Jewish mother at the time of the
circumcision, and that would have been recorded. Since the father was a
naturalized British subject, it is likely that some or all of possible
siblings would also not have been born in the UK and might not be
recorded.


Michael Bernet New York mBernet@aol.com.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jews in London in the 1870's #general

MBernet@...
 

maciroch@gsinet.net writes:

<< . . . . my grandfather was born there in 1881 of a Jewish father and
(presumably) Christian mother. How might I find a synagogue over there
that might have some records (marriage, et al) that might shed more light
on my ancestors? I have the address where they lived in 1881 >from the
census. >>

==There would most likely be no synagogal record after a member of the
community "married out." Unless the wife converted to Judaism. But he
might have been permitted burial in a special section of the Jewish
cemetery, and that would be recorded. Also, it is possible to effect the
conversion of the child of a non-Jewish mother at the time of the
circumcision, and that would have been recorded. Since the father was a
naturalized British subject, it is likely that some or all of possible
siblings would also not have been born in the UK and might not be
recorded.


Michael Bernet New York mBernet@aol.com.


Family Re-union #general

raphael c greenspon
 

Thank you all for your many many responses about planning a family
reunion. The general opinion of most was to make it kosher and not on
Shabbos. Thanksgiving could be perfect.
Happy Chanuka,
Raphael Greenspon
Researching: GREENSPON, LIPNICK, SHERESHEVSKY, BERONOVITCH, NEVAISER,
PLATT,KURLAND, SCHABES, SHWINDLER


Where is Land's End, England? #general

Howard Zakai
 

Dear British Genners,

After Russia and before New York, my great-grandfather and his siblings
lived in Manchester >from about 1898 to 1906 or so. [One sister lived in
Cardiff, South Wales.] In the U.S., many years later, and still such a
long time ago, one of the brothers mentioned that while in England, he
visited a place called Land's End.

Would anybody know where this is? Of what significance is it?

Regards,

Howie Zakai
Staten Island, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Family Re-union #general

raphael c greenspon
 

Thank you all for your many many responses about planning a family
reunion. The general opinion of most was to make it kosher and not on
Shabbos. Thanksgiving could be perfect.
Happy Chanuka,
Raphael Greenspon
Researching: GREENSPON, LIPNICK, SHERESHEVSKY, BERONOVITCH, NEVAISER,
PLATT,KURLAND, SCHABES, SHWINDLER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Where is Land's End, England? #general

Howard Zakai
 

Dear British Genners,

After Russia and before New York, my great-grandfather and his siblings
lived in Manchester >from about 1898 to 1906 or so. [One sister lived in
Cardiff, South Wales.] In the U.S., many years later, and still such a
long time ago, one of the brothers mentioned that while in England, he
visited a place called Land's End.

Would anybody know where this is? Of what significance is it?

Regards,

Howie Zakai
Staten Island, NY