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Seeking information about Hugo NATHAN - Frankfur a.M. #germany

David Baron <dbaron@...>
 

Dear Gersig,
I received this message. Can anyone help?
Dear Sirs!
from the internet and your homepage I know your efforts to find out
more about jewish families of Frankfurt/Main.

I am a writer and for a book about so called "Looted art" I am doing
some investigations in a certain case of a former jewish family of
Frankfurt. It's about Hugo Nathan and his family. Nathan was a
wealthy entrepreneur and was known for his famous art collection.
After the Nazis came up, he and his family fled and emigrated to
Switzerland, Zürich. That's all I know up to now.

Maybe you have heard of Hugo Nathan or you can give some advice where
I can get some specific information. I would be pleased if you could
give a brief answer to me. Thank you very much. Sincerely yours,

Markus Stötzel Huteweg 4, D-35096 Weimar (Lahn)
phone: 06421-794560, fax: 06421-794561, email: RAStoetzel@aol.com

Posted by GerSig Member David Baron Seattle, WA


German SIG #Germany Seeking information about Hugo NATHAN - Frankfur a.M. #germany

David Baron <dbaron@...>
 

Dear Gersig,
I received this message. Can anyone help?
Dear Sirs!
from the internet and your homepage I know your efforts to find out
more about jewish families of Frankfurt/Main.

I am a writer and for a book about so called "Looted art" I am doing
some investigations in a certain case of a former jewish family of
Frankfurt. It's about Hugo Nathan and his family. Nathan was a
wealthy entrepreneur and was known for his famous art collection.
After the Nazis came up, he and his family fled and emigrated to
Switzerland, Zürich. That's all I know up to now.

Maybe you have heard of Hugo Nathan or you can give some advice where
I can get some specific information. I would be pleased if you could
give a brief answer to me. Thank you very much. Sincerely yours,

Markus Stötzel Huteweg 4, D-35096 Weimar (Lahn)
phone: 06421-794560, fax: 06421-794561, email: RAStoetzel@aol.com

Posted by GerSig Member David Baron Seattle, WA


Re: Ballin family & Lublin family #scandinavia

Steen Felding <steen.felding@...>
 

Gerson Joel Ballin was the son of the merchant Joel Joseph Ballin
who settled in Horsens ca. 1784 after receiving a royal permission
to do so.

I have been researching the Danish branches of the Ballin-family
and found a lot of material I would like to share with Henry Cohen
and others.

Gerson is not listed in the 1787-census of Horsens but his father
and family are:
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia/1787horsens-us.htm

But Gerson is on the 1801-census of Horsens, and he was no doubt
born there ca. 1800. The census can be found on the Danish Demographic
Database (online searchable databases):

http://ddd.dda.dk/ddd_en.htm

but here is the listing for the familiy in 1801:

Census 1801, Skanderborg County, Horsens Town,
Address: Søndergade Nordre Side, 118, 82.
----------------------------------------------

(Name, Age, Marital status, Position in the household, Occupation)

Joel Ballin, 48, Married, Head of household, Merchant,
Rosine Levin, 37, Married, His wife
Joseph Ballin, 11, Unmarried, Their children
Ester Ballin, 10, Unmarried, Their children
Sara Ballin, 9, Unmarried, Their children
Lovise Ballin, 9, Unmarried, Their children
Githe Ballin, 7, Unmarried, Their children
Julius Ballin, 5, Unmarried, Their children
Simon Ballin, 4, Unmarried, Their children
Friderica Ballin, 2, Unmarried, Their children
Gerson Ballin, 1, Unmarried, Their children
Bernt Abrahamson, 19, Unmarried, Servant

----- Original Message -----
From: "Henry Cohen" <henry.cohen@ntlworld.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 12:47 PM
Subject: [scandinavia] Ballin family & Lublin family

My great grandparents were Siegfriedt BALLIN born in Randers
on the 6th November 1841 and Hanna Birgithe (or Birgitte) LUBLIN
born in Sakskobing on the 9th September 1843.
...snip...
------------------------------


Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Re: Ballin family & Lublin family #scandinavia

Steen Felding <steen.felding@...>
 

Gerson Joel Ballin was the son of the merchant Joel Joseph Ballin
who settled in Horsens ca. 1784 after receiving a royal permission
to do so.

I have been researching the Danish branches of the Ballin-family
and found a lot of material I would like to share with Henry Cohen
and others.

Gerson is not listed in the 1787-census of Horsens but his father
and family are:
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia/1787horsens-us.htm

But Gerson is on the 1801-census of Horsens, and he was no doubt
born there ca. 1800. The census can be found on the Danish Demographic
Database (online searchable databases):

http://ddd.dda.dk/ddd_en.htm

but here is the listing for the familiy in 1801:

Census 1801, Skanderborg County, Horsens Town,
Address: Søndergade Nordre Side, 118, 82.
----------------------------------------------

(Name, Age, Marital status, Position in the household, Occupation)

Joel Ballin, 48, Married, Head of household, Merchant,
Rosine Levin, 37, Married, His wife
Joseph Ballin, 11, Unmarried, Their children
Ester Ballin, 10, Unmarried, Their children
Sara Ballin, 9, Unmarried, Their children
Lovise Ballin, 9, Unmarried, Their children
Githe Ballin, 7, Unmarried, Their children
Julius Ballin, 5, Unmarried, Their children
Simon Ballin, 4, Unmarried, Their children
Friderica Ballin, 2, Unmarried, Their children
Gerson Ballin, 1, Unmarried, Their children
Bernt Abrahamson, 19, Unmarried, Servant

----- Original Message -----
From: "Henry Cohen" <henry.cohen@ntlworld.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 12:47 PM
Subject: [scandinavia] Ballin family & Lublin family

My great grandparents were Siegfriedt BALLIN born in Randers
on the 6th November 1841 and Hanna Birgithe (or Birgitte) LUBLIN
born in Sakskobing on the 9th September 1843.
...snip...
------------------------------


Re: Ballin family & Lublin family #scandinavia

Tracy Zappala <tracy@...>
 

Henry,

If your Marcus is Marcus Magnus Lublin I have a record >from him at
from the Cemetery Records in Nakskov. Marcus Magnus Lublin bricklayer
in Sakskobing, born 19 July 1819 and died in Sakskobing 7 April 1901.

His wife Sara is Sara LUBLIN nee LUBLIN died at age 53 on 8 Mar 1862.

Just above them in the listing is the mother of Marcus--Gitte LUBLIN
nee HEIMANN / HEYMANN. (Gitte is a form of Brigitte so this is
probably where your Hanne got her middle name.) Gitte was married to
Magnus Samuel LUBLIN (dates still unknown).

If you are interested in any more information--I'm researching LUBLIN
family. Take a look at the Cemetery Records online and you will find
a number of entries for LUBLIN family.

Sincerely,

Tracy Zappala, Eugene, Oregon, USA
tracy@zappala.org


On Sunday, November 24, 2002, at 10:01 PM, Henry Cohen wrote:

My great grandparents were Siegfriedt BALLIN born in Randers
on the 6th November 1841 and Hanna Birgithe (or Birgitte) LUBLIN
born in Sakskobing on the 9th September 1843.
...snip...


Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Re: Ballin family & Lublin family #scandinavia

Tracy Zappala <tracy@...>
 

Henry,

If your Marcus is Marcus Magnus Lublin I have a record >from him at
from the Cemetery Records in Nakskov. Marcus Magnus Lublin bricklayer
in Sakskobing, born 19 July 1819 and died in Sakskobing 7 April 1901.

His wife Sara is Sara LUBLIN nee LUBLIN died at age 53 on 8 Mar 1862.

Just above them in the listing is the mother of Marcus--Gitte LUBLIN
nee HEIMANN / HEYMANN. (Gitte is a form of Brigitte so this is
probably where your Hanne got her middle name.) Gitte was married to
Magnus Samuel LUBLIN (dates still unknown).

If you are interested in any more information--I'm researching LUBLIN
family. Take a look at the Cemetery Records online and you will find
a number of entries for LUBLIN family.

Sincerely,

Tracy Zappala, Eugene, Oregon, USA
tracy@zappala.org


On Sunday, November 24, 2002, at 10:01 PM, Henry Cohen wrote:

My great grandparents were Siegfriedt BALLIN born in Randers
on the 6th November 1841 and Hanna Birgithe (or Birgitte) LUBLIN
born in Sakskobing on the 9th September 1843.
...snip...


Re: Ballin family & Lublin family #scandinavia

Ruth Chernia <rchernia@...>
 

I don't know if any of you are in Toronto but there was/is a
Danish-Jewish family here called Balin/Ballin. I don't know
the exact spelling because they were friends with my late parents.

I am not in contact with them currently but I do know people who
know them. FYI

Ruth (Ts)Chernia
Researching
TSCHERNIA, SHLAMOWITZ

--------------------
Steen Felding wrote:

Gerson Joel Ballin was the son of the merchant Joel Joseph Ballin
who settled in Horsens ca. 1784 after receiving a royal permission
to do so.

I have been researching the Danish branches of the Ballin-family
and found a lot of material I would like to share with Henry Cohen
and others.
.... snip ....
--------------------


Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Re: Ballin family & Lublin family #scandinavia

Ruth Chernia <rchernia@...>
 

I don't know if any of you are in Toronto but there was/is a
Danish-Jewish family here called Balin/Ballin. I don't know
the exact spelling because they were friends with my late parents.

I am not in contact with them currently but I do know people who
know them. FYI

Ruth (Ts)Chernia
Researching
TSCHERNIA, SHLAMOWITZ

--------------------
Steen Felding wrote:

Gerson Joel Ballin was the son of the merchant Joel Joseph Ballin
who settled in Horsens ca. 1784 after receiving a royal permission
to do so.

I have been researching the Danish branches of the Ballin-family
and found a lot of material I would like to share with Henry Cohen
and others.
.... snip ....
--------------------


Re: Mume for Stepmother #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

In addition to message below I have a theory that the word Mume, which
sounds like Mame, came >from the fact that stepmothers were often the
sisters of women who had died young. Thus, the step-children, who were
also her nieces and nephews, called their stepmother by a name that
sounded like Mame. In the US we have the phenomenon of stepmothers
sometimes being called aunty.

Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel



Feter (pronounced fetter) and Mume (pronounced mumeh) are Yiddish. Because
of French influence on Court in Russia, it was common to use the French
words tante and oncle. My parents referred to their older relatives by the
Yiddish words and to their younger relatives by the French words.
Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

What is the Yiddish word for Uncle? Tanta was aunt and uncle is .....
Feter

Sherry Mayrent
Watertown, MA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Mume for Stepmother #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

In addition to message below I have a theory that the word Mume, which
sounds like Mame, came >from the fact that stepmothers were often the
sisters of women who had died young. Thus, the step-children, who were
also her nieces and nephews, called their stepmother by a name that
sounded like Mame. In the US we have the phenomenon of stepmothers
sometimes being called aunty.

Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel



Feter (pronounced fetter) and Mume (pronounced mumeh) are Yiddish. Because
of French influence on Court in Russia, it was common to use the French
words tante and oncle. My parents referred to their older relatives by the
Yiddish words and to their younger relatives by the French words.
Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

What is the Yiddish word for Uncle? Tanta was aunt and uncle is .....
Feter

Sherry Mayrent
Watertown, MA


How do I trace a seemingly totally untraceable New York family?! #general

Saul Marks <saulmarks@...>
 

Dear All,

Some of you may recognise my search for Hyman GOLDBERG & his family. I
know a great deal about them & they've simply vanished into thin air.

Hyman was born Chaim Szyia Goldberg in Lodz, Poland in 1881 & married a
woman called Esther. They had 2 daughters in Lodz, Rachel (b.1902/3) &
Dora (b.1904/5). The family moved to England c.1905 & lived in London.
They had 2 more daughters: Emma (b.1907/8) & Gertie (b.1916/17). They then
sailed >from Southampton to New York on the President Harding, arriving at
Ellis Island on 8 Sep 1922. Their destination is given as 39 Temple St,
Paterson, NJ, which was inhabited by the Zingler family, to which I have
yet to find a connection. I have a later address for them at 3118 Brighton
4th Street, in Brooklyn, along with scans of various photos depicting the
family. Dora married a man named Frank & had a child named Roslyn. Emma
probably married a man named Louis & Gertie married a man named Ray. Of
the girls' husbands, I'm told one was a cinema owner & another was a
handbag manufacturer, though I've no idea who was which.

However, contact was lost with Hyman's family during or shortly after the
War & various family members including Hyman's own sister have tried for
50 years to reconnect the branches, without success. I don't know any of
the girls' married names, or descendents apart >from Roslyn so, although I
appear to have a great deal of information on the movements etc of the
family, I have nothing more recent than the 1930s photos & address.

Last time I posted a query about tracing this family, a lovely lady aged
77 told me their address in Brooklyn indicated the younger girl would
almost certainly have attended the Abraham Lincoln High School, but I've
been in touch with them & no Goldbergs appear on their registers at that
time.

Can anyone help me? Are you related to this family? Do you know someone
who could be related? Do you know how I could go about using any NYC
public resources to find descendents of the family, considering I live in
England?
Is there any way of finding marriage certificates for the girls
(especially Dora & Rachel, who are likely to have married before 1930), so
at least I have some surnames to work with?

Many thanks for taking the time to read this,

Saul Marks
Newcastle-upon-Tyne, NE England


Re: moome and step-mothers #general

Gloria Berkenstat Freund <glory1@...>
 

I hesitated before entering this discussion. I am writing in referrence to
the use of the word "mume" in referring to a step-mother . My mother and her siblings, all born in Radomsko, Poland, called their step-
mother "Meema" as the word "mume" was pronounced in this area of Poland,
between Lodz and Czestochowa. My mother said that her step-mother was
called "Meema" because they wouldn't call her "Mame" or "Muter." My mother
used the word "tante" when she meant any of her parents' sisters.

I don't know how widespread this use of "mume" was, but it does present a
problem if one isn't sure of the relationship of a "mume" to their family.

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
New York, NY


Re: Where is Land's End, England? #general

Sue Clamp <clamp@...>
 

I haven't been there for many years as it's a long way >from here, but
Lands End is right at the end of Cornwall. It is the western-most point of
England with fabulous views out over the Atlantic. One web site says that
to get there you should take the A30 and keep going until you run out of
land! It is quite commercialized these days but is still a popular place
for tourists to visit.

Sue
Cambridgeshire, UK.

Researching: ROSENBERG/ROZENBERG, SKOWRONEK, KRIEGSMANN, Warsaw.
Getting round to (eventually!): BLEETMAN, Odessa, GOLDSTEIN and SALAMONSKI.
clamp@dsl.pipex.com
http://www.clamp.dsl.pipex.com


genetics of Indian Jews; Times of India article #general

Dan Goodman <dsgood@...>
 

Geneticist helps Mumbai Jews reinforce sense of identity

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?artid=
29493656

Note: Mumbai may be more familiar as "Bombay".

MODERATOR NOTE: If URL is in two lines, copy and paste both parts.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen How do I trace a seemingly totally untraceable New York family?! #general

Saul Marks <saulmarks@...>
 

Dear All,

Some of you may recognise my search for Hyman GOLDBERG & his family. I
know a great deal about them & they've simply vanished into thin air.

Hyman was born Chaim Szyia Goldberg in Lodz, Poland in 1881 & married a
woman called Esther. They had 2 daughters in Lodz, Rachel (b.1902/3) &
Dora (b.1904/5). The family moved to England c.1905 & lived in London.
They had 2 more daughters: Emma (b.1907/8) & Gertie (b.1916/17). They then
sailed >from Southampton to New York on the President Harding, arriving at
Ellis Island on 8 Sep 1922. Their destination is given as 39 Temple St,
Paterson, NJ, which was inhabited by the Zingler family, to which I have
yet to find a connection. I have a later address for them at 3118 Brighton
4th Street, in Brooklyn, along with scans of various photos depicting the
family. Dora married a man named Frank & had a child named Roslyn. Emma
probably married a man named Louis & Gertie married a man named Ray. Of
the girls' husbands, I'm told one was a cinema owner & another was a
handbag manufacturer, though I've no idea who was which.

However, contact was lost with Hyman's family during or shortly after the
War & various family members including Hyman's own sister have tried for
50 years to reconnect the branches, without success. I don't know any of
the girls' married names, or descendents apart >from Roslyn so, although I
appear to have a great deal of information on the movements etc of the
family, I have nothing more recent than the 1930s photos & address.

Last time I posted a query about tracing this family, a lovely lady aged
77 told me their address in Brooklyn indicated the younger girl would
almost certainly have attended the Abraham Lincoln High School, but I've
been in touch with them & no Goldbergs appear on their registers at that
time.

Can anyone help me? Are you related to this family? Do you know someone
who could be related? Do you know how I could go about using any NYC
public resources to find descendents of the family, considering I live in
England?
Is there any way of finding marriage certificates for the girls
(especially Dora & Rachel, who are likely to have married before 1930), so
at least I have some surnames to work with?

Many thanks for taking the time to read this,

Saul Marks
Newcastle-upon-Tyne, NE England


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: moome and step-mothers #general

Gloria Berkenstat Freund <glory1@...>
 

I hesitated before entering this discussion. I am writing in referrence to
the use of the word "mume" in referring to a step-mother . My mother and her siblings, all born in Radomsko, Poland, called their step-
mother "Meema" as the word "mume" was pronounced in this area of Poland,
between Lodz and Czestochowa. My mother said that her step-mother was
called "Meema" because they wouldn't call her "Mame" or "Muter." My mother
used the word "tante" when she meant any of her parents' sisters.

I don't know how widespread this use of "mume" was, but it does present a
problem if one isn't sure of the relationship of a "mume" to their family.

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
New York, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Where is Land's End, England? #general

Sue Clamp <clamp@...>
 

I haven't been there for many years as it's a long way >from here, but
Lands End is right at the end of Cornwall. It is the western-most point of
England with fabulous views out over the Atlantic. One web site says that
to get there you should take the A30 and keep going until you run out of
land! It is quite commercialized these days but is still a popular place
for tourists to visit.

Sue
Cambridgeshire, UK.

Researching: ROSENBERG/ROZENBERG, SKOWRONEK, KRIEGSMANN, Warsaw.
Getting round to (eventually!): BLEETMAN, Odessa, GOLDSTEIN and SALAMONSKI.
clamp@dsl.pipex.com
http://www.clamp.dsl.pipex.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen genetics of Indian Jews; Times of India article #general

Dan Goodman <dsgood@...>
 

Geneticist helps Mumbai Jews reinforce sense of identity

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?artid=
29493656

Note: Mumbai may be more familiar as "Bombay".

MODERATOR NOTE: If URL is in two lines, copy and paste both parts.


Gorky #general

budblaher@...
 

On November 25, 2002, Marilyn Feingold asked "I am told that I have
relatives >from Gorky. Can someone tell me about this
city? I understand it is now called Negnynovgorold. Is that correct? "

Gorky is known today as Nizhniy Novgorod. approximately 250 miles east of
Moscow. Any area east of Moscow usually cannot be found in any indices or
anybody's database. (Gary Mokotoff says he can't cover every location, no
matter how big it is).

I know. I found my father's Russian family (he was one of 11 siblings) a
little over a year ago. They have lived in Perm (One million plus
residents) some 800 miles east of Moscow since the 1850's.

If you want to know more about Nizhniy Novogorod, try this site:

http://www.unn.runnet.ru/nn/

Morris Blaher
Apopka, Florida (Orlando)
budblaher@earthlink.net


Re: Jews in London in the 1870's #general

Harry Dodsworth <af877@...>
 

maciroch@gsinet.net posted:
Can anyone give me a brief history of the Jewish population of London in
the mid to late 1800's? My research has led me to the fact that my
grandfather was born there in 1881 of a Jewish father and (presumably)
Christian mother. She was born in London, but he was a "naturalized
subject".
There was a significant Jewish community in London before 1880,
although it grew very rapidly in the 1880s after the Russian pogroms.
So you cannot presume your ggrandmother was not Jewish because she was
born in England. However her birth in England suggests the marriage
took place there and should be recorded in the GRO indexes.

An English marriage certificate normally gives the name and occupation
of the fathers of both bride and groom.
The birth certificate of your grandfather will give his father's name
and his mother's maiden name - the latter is useful in finding the
marriage certificate. The birth should also be in the GRO indexes.

If your ggrandfather was indeed naturalized, his name should be listed
on the naturalization films (available through LDS); however many
people listed on the census as BS (British Subject) were not.

Be warned that Jews in England were as flexible as those in America
when it came to surnames, both in choice and in spelling, so the
searches of the GRO indexes can be more difficult than expected :-)


Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca