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Re: Anyone from the Tribe of Benjamin? #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

viviankahn@... (Vivian Kahn) writes:
My great-grandfather's inscription identifies him as a "man >from the
tribe of Benjamin". I've done some quick internet research and it
appears that some scholars believe the descendants of the tribe of
Benjamin, along with the members of the tribe of Judah, were taken by
Titus to a place some identify as modern-day Spain.
snip....

I saw the matzeva on your website. I think this may be a misleading
translation. "Ish yemini ushmo Mordechai" is a reference to the biblical Book
of Esther. "Ish yemini" does, according to most commentaries, indicate that
the original Mordechai was >from the tribe of Benjamin, but it literally
means "a man of the right", and I suspect this is what it means on the
matzeva. It is very unlikely that anyone in the 20th century would have
actual knowledge of their ancestors' tribal origins, except for the
case of Kohanim and Leviim. I also very much doubt that this phrase is any
indication of Sephardic origins.

Robert Israel israel@...

University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC, Canada

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Anyone from the Tribe of Benjamin? #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

viviankahn@... (Vivian Kahn) writes:
My great-grandfather's inscription identifies him as a "man >from the
tribe of Benjamin". I've done some quick internet research and it
appears that some scholars believe the descendants of the tribe of
Benjamin, along with the members of the tribe of Judah, were taken by
Titus to a place some identify as modern-day Spain.
snip....

I saw the matzeva on your website. I think this may be a misleading
translation. "Ish yemini ushmo Mordechai" is a reference to the biblical Book
of Esther. "Ish yemini" does, according to most commentaries, indicate that
the original Mordechai was >from the tribe of Benjamin, but it literally
means "a man of the right", and I suspect this is what it means on the
matzeva. It is very unlikely that anyone in the 20th century would have
actual knowledge of their ancestors' tribal origins, except for the
case of Kohanim and Leviim. I also very much doubt that this phrase is any
indication of Sephardic origins.

Robert Israel israel@...

University of British Columbia Vancouver, BC, Canada

Holocaust Era US Immigration Files #general

Jim Bennett <bennett@...>
 

In the 1937-41 period my wife Myrna's uncles, aunts and their children
were living in Nowogrudok, eastern Poland. They had well-established
siblings in San Francisco willing to sponsor their immigration to America.
Applications were made >from the American side and probably at the U.S.
Consulate in Warsaw [or Bialystok?]. A March 1939 letter >from them to the
American relatives included a detailed list of names and birthdates of
eleven family members.

Only one family member was granted immigration rights, a 25 year old
bachelor. All the others were murdered in Nowogrudok in 1942-3.

Our questions are: Where in the National Archives [?] are all of
these application files, both >from the Immigration and Naturalization
Department and >from the consulates in Poland? Are they easily
accessible under FOIA? What's the procedure for obtaining them?

Jim and Myrna Bennett
Haifa

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Holocaust Era US Immigration Files #general

Jim Bennett <bennett@...>
 

In the 1937-41 period my wife Myrna's uncles, aunts and their children
were living in Nowogrudok, eastern Poland. They had well-established
siblings in San Francisco willing to sponsor their immigration to America.
Applications were made >from the American side and probably at the U.S.
Consulate in Warsaw [or Bialystok?]. A March 1939 letter >from them to the
American relatives included a detailed list of names and birthdates of
eleven family members.

Only one family member was granted immigration rights, a 25 year old
bachelor. All the others were murdered in Nowogrudok in 1942-3.

Our questions are: Where in the National Archives [?] are all of
these application files, both >from the Immigration and Naturalization
Department and >from the consulates in Poland? Are they easily
accessible under FOIA? What's the procedure for obtaining them?

Jim and Myrna Bennett
Haifa

Family Tree Website #general

henry schwartz <henry@...>
 

Hi Genners,

Has anyone created a family tree website? If yes, please
email me in private.

Thank you

Henry Schwartz

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Family Tree Website #general

henry schwartz <henry@...>
 

Hi Genners,

Has anyone created a family tree website? If yes, please
email me in private.

Thank you

Henry Schwartz

Re: Levitical status #general

Marc DVer <mdver@...>
 

Some thoughts come to mind in no particular order:

1. You say that your "Israelite ancestors >from Eastern Europe were
frum." Are you referring only to those ancestors who actually
immigrated, or also to their immediate descendants?

2. How well educated were they? Just because someone was frum does not
mean he knew much. Keep in mind that in Europe not everyone went to
Yeshiva. Many only knew enough to ask basic questions, and often not
even that.

3. It is possible that something happened in Europe to cause some
confusion. A progrom might have left an ancestor as an orphan without
anyone knowing much about him other than that he was Jewish. Also,
there was the Haskala movement in Europe. Someone who was involved in
the movement might have had a child who went back to Orthodoxy. The
information chain might have been broken at that point.

4. For all we know someone may have come up with a ploy to a confusion
of Levitical status to avoid the draft. I have no clue how this would
have been done, but presumably if there was a way to do it someone
figured it out and implemented it.

Marc DVer


Arye Barkai wrote:
I had the DNA done of 2 male-line descendants of my triple-great
grandfather (I am not in his male line). Among the 20 or so close
matches who responded, about 10 insisted they were Levites,
including one who actually had a 200-year-old document attesting
to that (the others did not know their status). Remember, they
are all Y-chromosome, male-line descendants. Yet my triple-great
grandfather and all his male-line descendants are Israelites.

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Levitical status #general

Marc DVer <mdver@...>
 

Some thoughts come to mind in no particular order:

1. You say that your "Israelite ancestors >from Eastern Europe were
frum." Are you referring only to those ancestors who actually
immigrated, or also to their immediate descendants?

2. How well educated were they? Just because someone was frum does not
mean he knew much. Keep in mind that in Europe not everyone went to
Yeshiva. Many only knew enough to ask basic questions, and often not
even that.

3. It is possible that something happened in Europe to cause some
confusion. A progrom might have left an ancestor as an orphan without
anyone knowing much about him other than that he was Jewish. Also,
there was the Haskala movement in Europe. Someone who was involved in
the movement might have had a child who went back to Orthodoxy. The
information chain might have been broken at that point.

4. For all we know someone may have come up with a ploy to a confusion
of Levitical status to avoid the draft. I have no clue how this would
have been done, but presumably if there was a way to do it someone
figured it out and implemented it.

Marc DVer


Arye Barkai wrote:
I had the DNA done of 2 male-line descendants of my triple-great
grandfather (I am not in his male line). Among the 20 or so close
matches who responded, about 10 insisted they were Levites,
including one who actually had a 200-year-old document attesting
to that (the others did not know their status). Remember, they
are all Y-chromosome, male-line descendants. Yet my triple-great
grandfather and all his male-line descendants are Israelites.

Cemetery Help Needed in Butler, Pennsylvania #general

Chaim Luria <cluria@...>
 

I would like to obtain high resolution digital pictures of the gravestones
for Samuel Harris Mark and Juliet L. Mark who are buried in the Bnai Avraham
section of the Jewish Cemetery in Butler, PA at 301 Portman Road.

The exact location of the graves are:

Section A
Row 2
Lots 8a and 8b

Please respond directly if you can help.

Chaim Luria

cluria@...

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Cemetery Help Needed in Butler, Pennsylvania #general

Chaim Luria <cluria@...>
 

I would like to obtain high resolution digital pictures of the gravestones
for Samuel Harris Mark and Juliet L. Mark who are buried in the Bnai Avraham
section of the Jewish Cemetery in Butler, PA at 301 Portman Road.

The exact location of the graves are:

Section A
Row 2
Lots 8a and 8b

Please respond directly if you can help.

Chaim Luria

cluria@...

Re: SIEW family in Denmark #scandinavia

Elsebeth Paikin
 

Hi Adam,

I looked up the one SIEW buried in Copenhagen, and
that is Soya SIEW, language teacher, died 28. June
1920.

But there is also

Eli ZIWES, tailor, buried 18. July 1974
and his wife
Rachel née LEISEROWITZ buried 15. Jan. 1974

If you search http://www.krak.dk/person
for Siew or Ziv or the like there are a few
matches, but - of course - I cannot say if they
have any relationship with the ones you are
researching.

In my database of emigrants >from Eastern Europe
who received poor relief here in Copenhagen >from
the Jewish Community there is under the date of

30. May 1905
Zemach SIF, home Kovno, leaving for London, coming
to Copenhagen >from Libau - he received 5 DDK.

In the Danish Demographic Database there is a
merchant Mendel SIFF 28 years old leaving
Copenhagen for New York in 1904, he was born in
"Russia".
There is also a Schiv SIFF, 20 years old leaving
for Baltimore in Oct. 1904 also born in Russia.

That is what I could find right away - I'll see if
I can find more.

Best wishes
Elsebeth Paikin


Den 24-10-2010 18:34, Adam Katzeff skrev:

...in a list of surnames in the
Jewish cemeteries in Copenhagen I have found the
surname SIEW. Therefore I'm now thinking that
perhaps they moved to Denmark!?!? After all my
great grandfather ended up in Denmark in 1913
with his family and I have always had the
feeling that he might have had other family
members already living there.

Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Re: SIEW family in Denmark #scandinavia

Elsebeth Paikin
 

Hi Adam,

I looked up the one SIEW buried in Copenhagen, and
that is Soya SIEW, language teacher, died 28. June
1920.

But there is also

Eli ZIWES, tailor, buried 18. July 1974
and his wife
Rachel née LEISEROWITZ buried 15. Jan. 1974

If you search http://www.krak.dk/person
for Siew or Ziv or the like there are a few
matches, but - of course - I cannot say if they
have any relationship with the ones you are
researching.

In my database of emigrants >from Eastern Europe
who received poor relief here in Copenhagen >from
the Jewish Community there is under the date of

30. May 1905
Zemach SIF, home Kovno, leaving for London, coming
to Copenhagen >from Libau - he received 5 DDK.

In the Danish Demographic Database there is a
merchant Mendel SIFF 28 years old leaving
Copenhagen for New York in 1904, he was born in
"Russia".
There is also a Schiv SIFF, 20 years old leaving
for Baltimore in Oct. 1904 also born in Russia.

That is what I could find right away - I'll see if
I can find more.

Best wishes
Elsebeth Paikin


Den 24-10-2010 18:34, Adam Katzeff skrev:

...in a list of surnames in the
Jewish cemeteries in Copenhagen I have found the
surname SIEW. Therefore I'm now thinking that
perhaps they moved to Denmark!?!? After all my
great grandfather ended up in Denmark in 1913
with his family and I have always had the
feeling that he might have had other family
members already living there.

What does SeGaL mean? #germany

Christine Crawford-Oppenheimer
 

I have found the title(?) SeGaL attached to several of the names of
early Jewish ancestors of my husband (e.g., someone who died in the
early 1400s). My guess is that it might be some sort of religious
title. I tried to Google it, but even when I put a + in front of it,
Google didn't distinguish the small and capital letters. I'm sure
someone on this list can tell me what it means!

Thanks, Christine Crawford-Oppenheimer, Hyde Park, NY christine3cats@...

German SIG #Germany What does SeGaL mean? #germany

Christine Crawford-Oppenheimer
 

I have found the title(?) SeGaL attached to several of the names of
early Jewish ancestors of my husband (e.g., someone who died in the
early 1400s). My guess is that it might be some sort of religious
title. I tried to Google it, but even when I put a + in front of it,
Google didn't distinguish the small and capital letters. I'm sure
someone on this list can tell me what it means!

Thanks, Christine Crawford-Oppenheimer, Hyde Park, NY christine3cats@...

Stephen SAMUEL in the circus #unitedkingdom

rorden23@...
 

My first posting so hello to everyone.

I've been researching my Samwell circus ancestors in England for many years
(several generations of equestrians, slack wire acrobats, gymnasts, etc in
England in the 1800s) and have traced back to my earliest ancestor Stephen
Samuel, born about 1770 probably in England. I've been unable to link any
of my Samwells with those of the same surname in England and now a circus
historian suggests the surname was originally Samuel and that they were
Jewish itinerant performers during the 1700s.

Stephen probably married Rebecca Saunders in 1789 in London (CofE). She may
be related to Abraham Saunders who was undoubtedly Jewish (so the circus
historians tell me) and ran a travelling circus troupe in the late
1700s-early 1800s. In the early 1800s my Samwells were associated by
marriage to the Lee circus family - another well known Jewish family.

There was a Mr Samuel at Bartholomew Fair (my Samwells visited there almost
every year in the early 1800s) as a puppeteer in the 1790s but I have no
other info.

So I'm throwing the surname Samwell out the window and hope any listers have
a Stephen Samuel in their family, or know of any work done on Jewish
itinerant performers in the 1700s (and earlier).

I am well versed with the circus history and websites of the 1800s, the
difficulty is in getting back to earlier times. Thanks for all replies. If
I am indeed of Jewish stock I will be very honoured!

Caroline
Darwin, Australia.

JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Stephen SAMUEL in the circus #unitedkingdom

rorden23@...
 

My first posting so hello to everyone.

I've been researching my Samwell circus ancestors in England for many years
(several generations of equestrians, slack wire acrobats, gymnasts, etc in
England in the 1800s) and have traced back to my earliest ancestor Stephen
Samuel, born about 1770 probably in England. I've been unable to link any
of my Samwells with those of the same surname in England and now a circus
historian suggests the surname was originally Samuel and that they were
Jewish itinerant performers during the 1700s.

Stephen probably married Rebecca Saunders in 1789 in London (CofE). She may
be related to Abraham Saunders who was undoubtedly Jewish (so the circus
historians tell me) and ran a travelling circus troupe in the late
1700s-early 1800s. In the early 1800s my Samwells were associated by
marriage to the Lee circus family - another well known Jewish family.

There was a Mr Samuel at Bartholomew Fair (my Samwells visited there almost
every year in the early 1800s) as a puppeteer in the 1790s but I have no
other info.

So I'm throwing the surname Samwell out the window and hope any listers have
a Stephen Samuel in their family, or know of any work done on Jewish
itinerant performers in the 1700s (and earlier).

I am well versed with the circus history and websites of the 1800s, the
difficulty is in getting back to earlier times. Thanks for all replies. If
I am indeed of Jewish stock I will be very honoured!

Caroline
Darwin, Australia.

Deaths records. Liepaja. From: 1854 to 1856 #latvia

Christine Usdin
 

Latvia SIG #Latvia Deaths records. Liepaja. From: 1854 to 1856 #latvia

Christine Usdin
 

Family Tree Website #hungary

henry@...
 

Hi Genners,

Has anyone created a family tree website? If yes, please email me in private.

Thank you

Henry Schwartz

Moderator: The Hungarian SIG website has links to a several family websites
created by H-SIGrs at http://www.jewishgen.org/hungary/Member_pages.htm

Hungary SIG #Hungary Family Tree Website #hungary

henry@...
 

Hi Genners,

Has anyone created a family tree website? If yes, please email me in private.

Thank you

Henry Schwartz

Moderator: The Hungarian SIG website has links to a several family websites
created by H-SIGrs at http://www.jewishgen.org/hungary/Member_pages.htm