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Re: "varios" and "desconocida" on immigration records. Thank you! #latinamerica

epk13@...
 

To everyone who replied to my questions about the words "desconocida" and "varios," I would like to say a big thank you. Some of the replies were quite funny and illuminating, so a special thanks to those of you who made me laugh.

It seems I wasn't clear enough about what I was after. Rachmiel Spivak is a member of the family I'm writing a book about. I know a good deal about him, and for sure know he is Jewish, >from Orgeyev, and though I do not know much about the young man he traveled with (most likely a cousin), I do know that Rachmiel brought his wife and sons to Mendoza, where he and Fanny had a third child. Rachmiel and Fanny both died and are buried in Mendoza. In 1921, after their father died (Fanny died first), the three sons emigrated to New York to join the by-now American family of their uncles, aunts, and cousins, who they probably didn't remember but who they'd heard about, I'm sure.

So my curiosity was about why two Russian Jews would be listed as "varios." And what the other odd designations might have signified. It was not just literal translation I was after (of course I use Google translate for that all the time), but an interpretation, an idea of why this would have been written.

Many of you offered interpretations--thank you!

And if anyone recognizes these names among their extended family in Argentina, I'd be very happy to hear >from you. I've already connected with two families, one in Buenos Aires (with a branch in Spain) and one in Mendoza, who are directly related to the Spivak / Spiwak family of Bessarabia.

If only it was easier to search immigration records in Argentina!

Happy searching to all of you,

Patricia







Patricia Klindienst

Guilford, CT USA


SPIWAK /SPIVAK, BURD, KALIK, MILSTEIN, GOLDENBERG of Orgeyev, Kishinev, and Capresti; Mendoza, Argentina. SCHAPOSCHNIK / ZAPOSNEK of Orgeyev, Kishinev, Elisavetgrad, or Mendoza, Argentina; and their related names, SHAPIN, SHAPIRO. BELINKSY, SCHOCHETMAN of Odessa (who became SCHACHT in the US). VOLMAN, LICHT of Briceva, Capresti. TSAREVKAN/ CIRIFCAN/ SARAFCONN of Orgeyev, Teleneshti, Argentina, Uruguay, becoming COHEN in the US.
Mexico and Potential Jewish Genealogy Society #latinamerica

Jan Meisels Allen
 

I am writing wearing my VP of IAJGS "hat". One of the responsibilities of
the IAJGS Membership Development Committee is to look at areas with
significant Jewish populations that do not currently have Jewish Genealogy
Societies. The country of Mexico is one area that has a substantial Jewish
population (Wikipedia reports the number of Jews in Mexico at over 68,000,
and over 20,000 in Mexico City alone) but no where in the country are we
aware of any Jewish genealogy society.

If anyone is aware of Jewish genealogists in Mexico-or organizations that
exist that might be interested in sponsoring a society it would be
appreciated if you shared their information with me.

If any of this SIGs readers located in Central or South America are aware of
other countries that do not have a society and believe there is interest in
starting a society please also contact me.

Thank you

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Agoura Hills, CA, USA
Latin America #LatinAmerica re: "varios" and "desconocida" on immigration records. Thank you! #latinamerica

epk13@...
 

To everyone who replied to my questions about the words "desconocida" and "varios," I would like to say a big thank you. Some of the replies were quite funny and illuminating, so a special thanks to those of you who made me laugh.

It seems I wasn't clear enough about what I was after. Rachmiel Spivak is a member of the family I'm writing a book about. I know a good deal about him, and for sure know he is Jewish, >from Orgeyev, and though I do not know much about the young man he traveled with (most likely a cousin), I do know that Rachmiel brought his wife and sons to Mendoza, where he and Fanny had a third child. Rachmiel and Fanny both died and are buried in Mendoza. In 1921, after their father died (Fanny died first), the three sons emigrated to New York to join the by-now American family of their uncles, aunts, and cousins, who they probably didn't remember but who they'd heard about, I'm sure.

So my curiosity was about why two Russian Jews would be listed as "varios." And what the other odd designations might have signified. It was not just literal translation I was after (of course I use Google translate for that all the time), but an interpretation, an idea of why this would have been written.

Many of you offered interpretations--thank you!

And if anyone recognizes these names among their extended family in Argentina, I'd be very happy to hear >from you. I've already connected with two families, one in Buenos Aires (with a branch in Spain) and one in Mendoza, who are directly related to the Spivak / Spiwak family of Bessarabia.

If only it was easier to search immigration records in Argentina!

Happy searching to all of you,

Patricia







Patricia Klindienst

Guilford, CT USA


SPIWAK /SPIVAK, BURD, KALIK, MILSTEIN, GOLDENBERG of Orgeyev, Kishinev, and Capresti; Mendoza, Argentina. SCHAPOSCHNIK / ZAPOSNEK of Orgeyev, Kishinev, Elisavetgrad, or Mendoza, Argentina; and their related names, SHAPIN, SHAPIRO. BELINKSY, SCHOCHETMAN of Odessa (who became SCHACHT in the US). VOLMAN, LICHT of Briceva, Capresti. TSAREVKAN/ CIRIFCAN/ SARAFCONN of Orgeyev, Teleneshti, Argentina, Uruguay, becoming COHEN in the US.
Latin America #LatinAmerica Mexico and Potential Jewish Genealogy Society #latinamerica

Jan Meisels Allen
 

I am writing wearing my VP of IAJGS "hat". One of the responsibilities of
the IAJGS Membership Development Committee is to look at areas with
significant Jewish populations that do not currently have Jewish Genealogy
Societies. The country of Mexico is one area that has a substantial Jewish
population (Wikipedia reports the number of Jews in Mexico at over 68,000,
and over 20,000 in Mexico City alone) but no where in the country are we
aware of any Jewish genealogy society.

If anyone is aware of Jewish genealogists in Mexico-or organizations that
exist that might be interested in sponsoring a society it would be
appreciated if you shared their information with me.

If any of this SIGs readers located in Central or South America are aware of
other countries that do not have a society and believe there is interest in
starting a society please also contact me.

Thank you

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Agoura Hills, CA, USA
Re: Help translating and interpreting notations on Argentinian immigration record #latinamerica

mathov@...
 

Dear Patricia
Shalom >from Israel:

The explanation >from the Moderator is
right:

Moderator Note: Varios on Argentine arrival records (assuming you mean
CEMLA)is one of the terms used and is one way that Jews were noted. Many
are noted as "Catolico" among other terms. The official may have written it
down as such or the individuals may have indicated their response to improve
their perceived chances of entering the country.
Desconocida means "unknown." In early arrival records, birthplaces and
religion were not recorded.

Please let me add:

The cultural level of the clerks writing
the immigrants data, was very low,.. and just "let us finish and go for
lunch"...

Immigrants didn't spoke the local
language....Clerks didn"t spoke immigrant language.

Judio - Israelita - Hebreo - fe Mosaica -
were synonyms in Argentina [ and in many cultures]

Data in those countries is Not a hundred per
cent accurate, not only in dates but also in Surname spelling, and in towns
of origin,..
In my family we have some Four different spelling for the same Surname,
depending which clerk spoke with the immigrant.

And last: I do not believe that in the last
years of the XIX Century were many Jews who wanted to "keep their religion
unknown"
Other denomination for Jews in Argentina was plainly: "Russians".

For more information please visit my humble
research

http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/basavilbaso/

Kindly Yehuda MATHOV

-----Original Message-----
From: Patricia Klindienst [mailto:epk13@me.com]
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 4:06 AM
To: Latin America SIG
Subject: [latamsig] Help translating and interpreting notations on
Argentinian immigration record

A fellow researcher recently found record of the arrival in Buenos Aires of
two members of the Spiwak family >from Orgeyev, Bessarabia: Rachmiel and
Schije, who arrived on January 1, 1910. I have their departure records from
Hamburg, 16 December 1909, so now I know how long it took for the crossing.
But I am baffled by certain notations in the list that contains their names.

For Religion the immigration official has described Rachmiel and Schije as
"Varios." Can someone tell me what this meant at the time or guide me to
sources that may help me understand how to read Argentine immigration
records?

I see what appear to be two ways to designate Jews on this list of eight
other people named Spiwak on the list: "Hebrea," for Prywa Spiwak who
arrived in 1931, and "Israelita," for Rifke Spiwak, who arrived in 1909.
Other religious designations include: Ortodoxa; Catolica; Greco Ortodoxa;
and Desconocida. The first would be Russian Orthodox, the second Roman
Catholic, and the third (obvious) Greek Orthodox, yes? But what does
"Desconocida" mean? The term also appears twice in the column headed "Born
in," for other immigrants, which is confusing.

Has anyone else found such markings on records for their families emigrating
to Argentina? Stories, comments and translations would be very helpful.

Thank you.

Patricia Klindienst

Guilford, CT USA


SPIWAK /SPIVAK of Orgeyev, Kishinev, and Capresti, Bessarabia; Mendoza,
Argentina; and Queens.
SCHAPOSCHNIK / ZAPOSNEK of Orgeyev, Kishinev, Elisavetgrad, or Mendoza,
Argentina; and their related names, SHAPIN, SHAPIRO of Mendoza, Argentina,
Chile, Canada, and the US.
SCHOCHETMAN of Odessa (who became SCHACHT in the US).
MILSTEIN of Orgeyev & Kishinev.
WOLMAN/VOLLMAN of Orgeyev, Kishinev, Capresti.
TSAREVKAN/CIRIFCAN/SARAFCONN of Orgeyev, Teleneshti, Argentina, Uruguay,
becoming COHEN in the US.
BELINKSY of Odessa and Philadelphia.
KALIK of Orgeyev, Kishinev, and Mendoza, Argentina.
BURD of Chukelteny, Orgeyev, and Kishinev, Bessarabia.
LICHT of Briceva, Capresti, and Israel.
GOLDENBERG of Kishinev.

Moderator Note: Varios on Argentine arrival records (assuming you mean
CEMLA)is one of the terms used and is one way that Jews were noted. Many
are noted as "Catolico" among other terms. The official may have written it
down as such or the individuals may have indicated their response to improve
their perceived chances of entering the country.
Desconocida means "unknown." In early arrival records, birthplaces and
religion were not recorded.
Latin America #LatinAmerica RE: Help translating and interpreting notations on Argentinian immigration record #latinamerica

mathov@...
 

Dear Patricia
Shalom >from Israel:

The explanation >from the Moderator is
right:

Moderator Note: Varios on Argentine arrival records (assuming you mean
CEMLA)is one of the terms used and is one way that Jews were noted. Many
are noted as "Catolico" among other terms. The official may have written it
down as such or the individuals may have indicated their response to improve
their perceived chances of entering the country.
Desconocida means "unknown." In early arrival records, birthplaces and
religion were not recorded.

Please let me add:

The cultural level of the clerks writing
the immigrants data, was very low,.. and just "let us finish and go for
lunch"...

Immigrants didn't spoke the local
language....Clerks didn"t spoke immigrant language.

Judio - Israelita - Hebreo - fe Mosaica -
were synonyms in Argentina [ and in many cultures]

Data in those countries is Not a hundred per
cent accurate, not only in dates but also in Surname spelling, and in towns
of origin,..
In my family we have some Four different spelling for the same Surname,
depending which clerk spoke with the immigrant.

And last: I do not believe that in the last
years of the XIX Century were many Jews who wanted to "keep their religion
unknown"
Other denomination for Jews in Argentina was plainly: "Russians".

For more information please visit my humble
research

http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/basavilbaso/

Kindly Yehuda MATHOV

-----Original Message-----
From: Patricia Klindienst [mailto:epk13@me.com]
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 4:06 AM
To: Latin America SIG
Subject: [latamsig] Help translating and interpreting notations on
Argentinian immigration record

A fellow researcher recently found record of the arrival in Buenos Aires of
two members of the Spiwak family >from Orgeyev, Bessarabia: Rachmiel and
Schije, who arrived on January 1, 1910. I have their departure records from
Hamburg, 16 December 1909, so now I know how long it took for the crossing.
But I am baffled by certain notations in the list that contains their names.

For Religion the immigration official has described Rachmiel and Schije as
"Varios." Can someone tell me what this meant at the time or guide me to
sources that may help me understand how to read Argentine immigration
records?

I see what appear to be two ways to designate Jews on this list of eight
other people named Spiwak on the list: "Hebrea," for Prywa Spiwak who
arrived in 1931, and "Israelita," for Rifke Spiwak, who arrived in 1909.
Other religious designations include: Ortodoxa; Catolica; Greco Ortodoxa;
and Desconocida. The first would be Russian Orthodox, the second Roman
Catholic, and the third (obvious) Greek Orthodox, yes? But what does
"Desconocida" mean? The term also appears twice in the column headed "Born
in," for other immigrants, which is confusing.

Has anyone else found such markings on records for their families emigrating
to Argentina? Stories, comments and translations would be very helpful.

Thank you.

Patricia Klindienst

Guilford, CT USA


SPIWAK /SPIVAK of Orgeyev, Kishinev, and Capresti, Bessarabia; Mendoza,
Argentina; and Queens.
SCHAPOSCHNIK / ZAPOSNEK of Orgeyev, Kishinev, Elisavetgrad, or Mendoza,
Argentina; and their related names, SHAPIN, SHAPIRO of Mendoza, Argentina,
Chile, Canada, and the US.
SCHOCHETMAN of Odessa (who became SCHACHT in the US).
MILSTEIN of Orgeyev & Kishinev.
WOLMAN/VOLLMAN of Orgeyev, Kishinev, Capresti.
TSAREVKAN/CIRIFCAN/SARAFCONN of Orgeyev, Teleneshti, Argentina, Uruguay,
becoming COHEN in the US.
BELINKSY of Odessa and Philadelphia.
KALIK of Orgeyev, Kishinev, and Mendoza, Argentina.
BURD of Chukelteny, Orgeyev, and Kishinev, Bessarabia.
LICHT of Briceva, Capresti, and Israel.
GOLDENBERG of Kishinev.

Moderator Note: Varios on Argentine arrival records (assuming you mean
CEMLA)is one of the terms used and is one way that Jews were noted. Many
are noted as "Catolico" among other terms. The official may have written it
down as such or the individuals may have indicated their response to improve
their perceived chances of entering the country.
Desconocida means "unknown." In early arrival records, birthplaces and
religion were not recorded.
32nd IAJGS Conference 5th Newsletter #rabbinic

Congrès Paris 2012 Généaloj
 

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32nd IAJGS Conference 5th Newsletter #scandinavia

Congrès Paris 2012 Généaloj
 

Dear friends,

The organizing team of Paris 2012 IAJGS International Conference on Jewish
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Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic 32nd IAJGS Conference 5th Newsletter #rabbinic

Congrès Paris 2012 Généaloj
 

Dear friends,

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Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia 32nd IAJGS Conference 5th Newsletter #scandinavia

Congrès Paris 2012 Généaloj
 

Dear friends,

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Dubin-Johnson Syndrome #dna

William Yoffee
 

Is anyone familiar with the Dubin-Johnson Syndrome as a Jewish genetic
condition which is said to be common among Persian and Morroccan Jews in
Israel? As I understand, it results >from a recessive gene (ABCC2) that can
occur in both parents to become dominant in their offspring. A male second
cousin of mine by the half-blood (my paternal grandfather and his paternal
grandfather were half-brothers >from the same paternal great grandfather) has
been diagnosed with this condition, which apparently is often not serious.
However, both he and I are interested to know whether someone male or female
who has this condition can pass it along to the next generation either as a
recessive or a dominant gene.

Bill Yoffee
kidsbks@verizon.net
32nd IAJGS Conference 5th Newsletter #dna

Congrès Paris 2012 Généaloj
 

Dear friends,

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32nd IAJGS Conference 5th Newsletter #sephardic

Congrès Paris 2012 Généaloj
 

Dear friends,

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---THE SIGs and BOFs---

**27 SIGs and BOFs will be present. 9 will have a lunch, 2 a breakfast. The
list and the schedule is available on http://www.paris2012.eu/events

See you soon Paris,

The Committee
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32nd IAJGS Conference 5th Newsletter #yizkorbooks

Congrès Paris 2012 Généaloj
 

Dear friends,

The organizing team of Paris 2012 IAJGS International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy is glad to send you this fifth newsletter.

---GALA---

***Tuesday July 17 at 7:00 pm***

FATHER PATRICK DESBOIS, president of Yahad-in Unum (Holocaust by bullets)
will be our Guest. *Register Now* !

---NEW---

** Sign for the SIG BREAKFASTS (19 euros) or LUNCHES (29 euros). You can also sign
for LUNCHES ONLY (without SIG registration : 25 euros). All meals will be
KOSHER.

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your flight numbers and the dates and times of arrival and departure to
celine@joubert-voyages.com

** The FILM PROGRAM is available on
http://www.paris2012.eu/events?sort_by=event_type#event_type_6

---RECALL---

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REGISTRATION RATES for the conference at: http://www.paris2012.eu/products.

** BOOK YOUR ROOM AT THE MARRIOTT PARIS RIVE-GAUCHE: click on "Hotel", and
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zx4zx4a. If you want to stay longer, this rate is valid for 5 days before
and five days after the Conference.

** There are still rooms left if you want to sign up for GUIDED TOURS in
PARIS (select "Registration")

** Do not forget to look at our proposals for TRIPS BEFORE or AFTER the
Conference at http://www.joubert-voyages.com/cercle-genealogie-juive.php

** You can also benefit >from REDUCED RATES for AIR or RAIL by contacting
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**You can Question us on JewishGen: subscribe to the mailing list bilingual
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---THE SIGs and BOFs---

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list and the schedule is available on http://www.paris2012.eu/events

See you soon Paris,

The Committee
www.paris2012.eu -- contact@paris2012.eu
DNA Research #DNA Dubin-Johnson Syndrome #dna

William Yoffee
 

Is anyone familiar with the Dubin-Johnson Syndrome as a Jewish genetic
condition which is said to be common among Persian and Morroccan Jews in
Israel? As I understand, it results >from a recessive gene (ABCC2) that can
occur in both parents to become dominant in their offspring. A male second
cousin of mine by the half-blood (my paternal grandfather and his paternal
grandfather were half-brothers >from the same paternal great grandfather) has
been diagnosed with this condition, which apparently is often not serious.
However, both he and I are interested to know whether someone male or female
who has this condition can pass it along to the next generation either as a
recessive or a dominant gene.

Bill Yoffee
kidsbks@verizon.net
DNA Research #DNA 32nd IAJGS Conference 5th Newsletter #dna

Congrès Paris 2012 Généaloj
 

Dear friends,

The organizing team of Paris 2012 IAJGS International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy is glad to send you this fifth newsletter.

---GALA---

***Tuesday July 17 at 7:00 pm***

FATHER PATRICK DESBOIS, president of Yahad-in Unum (Holocaust by bullets)
will be our Guest. *Register Now* !

---NEW---

** Sign for the SIG BREAKFASTS (19 euros) or LUNCHES (29 euros). You can also sign
for LUNCHES ONLY (without SIG registration : 25 euros). All meals will be
KOSHER.

** Joubert-voyage may organize your TRANSFER AIRPORT/HOTEL/AIRPORT: send
your flight numbers and the dates and times of arrival and departure to
celine@joubert-voyages.com

** The FILM PROGRAM is available on
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---RECALL---

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** BOOK YOUR ROOM AT THE MARRIOTT PARIS RIVE-GAUCHE: click on "Hotel", and
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zx4zx4a. If you want to stay longer, this rate is valid for 5 days before
and five days after the Conference.

** There are still rooms left if you want to sign up for GUIDED TOURS in
PARIS (select "Registration")

** Do not forget to look at our proposals for TRIPS BEFORE or AFTER the
Conference at http://www.joubert-voyages.com/cercle-genealogie-juive.php

** You can also benefit >from REDUCED RATES for AIR or RAIL by contacting
gilbert@joubert-voyages.com

**You can Question us on JewishGen: subscribe to the mailing list bilingual
"2012 Paris Conference"
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---THE SIGs and BOFs---

**27 SIGs and BOFs will be present. 9 will have a lunch, 2 a breakfast. The
list and the schedule is available on http://www.paris2012.eu/events

See you soon Paris,

The Committee
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Sephardic SIG #Sephardim 32nd IAJGS Conference 5th Newsletter #sephardic

Congrès Paris 2012 Généaloj
 

Dear friends,

The organizing team of Paris 2012 IAJGS International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy is glad to send you this fifth newsletter.

---GALA---

***Tuesday July 17 at 7:00 pm***

FATHER PATRICK DESBOIS, president of Yahad-in Unum (Holocaust by bullets)
will be our Guest. *Register Now* !

---NEW---

** Sign for the SIG BREAKFASTS (19 euros) or LUNCHES (29 euros). You can also sign
for LUNCHES ONLY (without SIG registration : 25 euros). All meals will be
KOSHER.

** Joubert-voyage may organize your TRANSFER AIRPORT/HOTEL/AIRPORT: send
your flight numbers and the dates and times of arrival and departure to
celine@joubert-voyages.com

** The FILM PROGRAM is available on
http://www.paris2012.eu/events?sort_by=event_type#event_type_6

---RECALL---

** REGISTER NOW : You have A FEW DAYS LEFT to enjoy the EARLYBIRD
REGISTRATION RATES for the conference at: http://www.paris2012.eu/products.

** BOOK YOUR ROOM AT THE MARRIOTT PARIS RIVE-GAUCHE: click on "Hotel", and
enjoy the very competitive conference rates we got for you with the code
zx4zx4a. If you want to stay longer, this rate is valid for 5 days before
and five days after the Conference.

** There are still rooms left if you want to sign up for GUIDED TOURS in
PARIS (select "Registration")

** Do not forget to look at our proposals for TRIPS BEFORE or AFTER the
Conference at http://www.joubert-voyages.com/cercle-genealogie-juive.php

** You can also benefit >from REDUCED RATES for AIR or RAIL by contacting
gilbert@joubert-voyages.com

**You can Question us on JewishGen: subscribe to the mailing list bilingual
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---THE SIGs and BOFs---

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list and the schedule is available on http://www.paris2012.eu/events

See you soon Paris,

The Committee
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Yizkor Books #YizkorBooks 32nd IAJGS Conference 5th Newsletter #yizkorbooks

Congrès Paris 2012 Généaloj
 

Dear friends,

The organizing team of Paris 2012 IAJGS International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy is glad to send you this fifth newsletter.

---GALA---

***Tuesday July 17 at 7:00 pm***

FATHER PATRICK DESBOIS, president of Yahad-in Unum (Holocaust by bullets)
will be our Guest. *Register Now* !

---NEW---

** Sign for the SIG BREAKFASTS (19 euros) or LUNCHES (29 euros). You can also sign
for LUNCHES ONLY (without SIG registration : 25 euros). All meals will be
KOSHER.

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your flight numbers and the dates and times of arrival and departure to
celine@joubert-voyages.com

** The FILM PROGRAM is available on
http://www.paris2012.eu/events?sort_by=event_type#event_type_6

---RECALL---

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zx4zx4a. If you want to stay longer, this rate is valid for 5 days before
and five days after the Conference.

** There are still rooms left if you want to sign up for GUIDED TOURS in
PARIS (select "Registration")

** Do not forget to look at our proposals for TRIPS BEFORE or AFTER the
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**You can Question us on JewishGen: subscribe to the mailing list bilingual
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list and the schedule is available on http://www.paris2012.eu/events

See you soon Paris,

The Committee
www.paris2012.eu -- contact@paris2012.eu
Re: Where to find advice on using DNA testing to check a specific tree #dna

Marsha Epstein <marsha.epstein@...>
 

On March 11, Israel Pickholtz asked how to get his questions answered
about whether DNA testing would be helpful to resolve issues in his
family tree. If you join a project, the project administrator is
usually very helpful with this type of question. Go to the Projects
page: http://www.familytreedna.com/projects.aspx and find an
appropriate project. On each project page is a link to send an email
to the Group Administrator.

Marsha Epstein
Volunteer Co-Administrator Epstein Surname Group
DNA Research #DNA Re: Where to find advice on using DNA testing to check a specific tree #dna

Marsha Epstein <marsha.epstein@...>
 

On March 11, Israel Pickholtz asked how to get his questions answered
about whether DNA testing would be helpful to resolve issues in his
family tree. If you join a project, the project administrator is
usually very helpful with this type of question. Go to the Projects
page: http://www.familytreedna.com/projects.aspx and find an
appropriate project. On each project page is a link to send an email
to the Group Administrator.

Marsha Epstein
Volunteer Co-Administrator Epstein Surname Group
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