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Trying to find a Congregation(Synagogue) in Lower Manhattan abt 1905 #general

Sherri Bobish
 

Brian asked "I am trying to find out anything about the Synagogue,
where my Great Grandfather and two of his sisters were married, between
1903-1907 in Lower Manhattan. >from their marriage records,
they were married by Rev.(Rabbi) Isac Goldenberg, Congregation Simon
Sterinberg, 96 Clinton St"

Using both google books and www.fultonhistory.com shows that 96 Clinton St.
was a meeting hall used by many groups.

On the 1905 NY State census found at www.familysearch.org there is an Isaac
GOLDENBERG, b. 1860 in Romania, living on E. Houston St. It looks like his
occupation is reverand.

Perhaps tracking Isaac Goldenberg through city directories could be useful in
your search.

regards,

Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ

Searching: RATOWSKY, Ariogala (Rogala) Lithuania
WALTZMAN / WALZMAN, Istryker (Ustrzyki Dolne, Poland)
BOBISH, Odessa
SOLON / SOLAN / SAKOLSKY, Grodek, Bialystok, Poland
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Trying to find a Congregation(Synagogue) in Lower Manhattan abt 1905 #general

Sherri Bobish
 

Brian asked "I am trying to find out anything about the Synagogue,
where my Great Grandfather and two of his sisters were married, between
1903-1907 in Lower Manhattan. >from their marriage records,
they were married by Rev.(Rabbi) Isac Goldenberg, Congregation Simon
Sterinberg, 96 Clinton St"

Using both google books and www.fultonhistory.com shows that 96 Clinton St.
was a meeting hall used by many groups.

On the 1905 NY State census found at www.familysearch.org there is an Isaac
GOLDENBERG, b. 1860 in Romania, living on E. Houston St. It looks like his
occupation is reverand.

Perhaps tracking Isaac Goldenberg through city directories could be useful in
your search.

regards,

Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ

Searching: RATOWSKY, Ariogala (Rogala) Lithuania
WALTZMAN / WALZMAN, Istryker (Ustrzyki Dolne, Poland)
BOBISH, Odessa
SOLON / SOLAN / SAKOLSKY, Grodek, Bialystok, Poland
Help in Locating Corgova Ulitza 29 in Uman, Ukraine #general

William Saslow
 

My Great Aunt listed her ancestral home through 1921 as Corgova Ulitza 29 in
Uman, Ukraine. I've been having difficulty finding it and am wondering if
there may be a typo or perhaps the street no longer exists. Does anyone
have any ideas on where this address is or was?

Thanks,
Bill Saslow
Zaslavsky, Saslove, Saslow, Pohl, Resnick
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help in Locating Corgova Ulitza 29 in Uman, Ukraine #general

William Saslow
 

My Great Aunt listed her ancestral home through 1921 as Corgova Ulitza 29 in
Uman, Ukraine. I've been having difficulty finding it and am wondering if
there may be a typo or perhaps the street no longer exists. Does anyone
have any ideas on where this address is or was?

Thanks,
Bill Saslow
Zaslavsky, Saslove, Saslow, Pohl, Resnick
JGSGB Northern Conference 13th May #unitedkingdom

lorna.kay@...
 

REMINDER - MANCHESTER REGIONAL GROUP OF THE JGSGB IS AGAIN
HOSTING THE NORTHERN ANNUAL CONFERENCE.
THIS IS THE TENTH YEAR WITH AN EVEN BIGGER AND BETTER PROGRAMME
- SEVEN TOP CLASS SPEAKERS ON A VARIETY OF
INTERESTING TOPICS, THE HIGHLIGHTS BEING JEWISH MILITARY
HISTORY.

ONLY THREE MORE WEEKS LEFT - DON'T MISS OUT ON THIS GREAT
EVENT.

The price has been held at £20 per person for this full day
event, to include all-day refreshments and a
buffet lunch. On-site secure parking is available, and we
can even offer excellent accommodation at the venue at the very
modest price for en-suite rooms of £35 single and £45 double.

For details of the full programme, speakers and topics, send an
e-mail to lorna.kay@talktalk.net or phone 0161 792 2740.

Lorna Kay
Chairman - Manchester Regional Group
Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain

Researching:
WEISBERG (Kamenets Podolks, Zhvanets - Ukraine)
SEABERG (Tukkums, Valdemarpils - Latvia)
BLUESTONEKUTCHINSKY (Piotrow, Poland)
BRADPIECE/BRATSPIES (Lemberg, Austria)
FROMBERG (Roumania)
JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom JGSGB Northern Conference 13th May #unitedkingdom

lorna.kay@...
 

REMINDER - MANCHESTER REGIONAL GROUP OF THE JGSGB IS AGAIN
HOSTING THE NORTHERN ANNUAL CONFERENCE.
THIS IS THE TENTH YEAR WITH AN EVEN BIGGER AND BETTER PROGRAMME
- SEVEN TOP CLASS SPEAKERS ON A VARIETY OF
INTERESTING TOPICS, THE HIGHLIGHTS BEING JEWISH MILITARY
HISTORY.

ONLY THREE MORE WEEKS LEFT - DON'T MISS OUT ON THIS GREAT
EVENT.

The price has been held at £20 per person for this full day
event, to include all-day refreshments and a
buffet lunch. On-site secure parking is available, and we
can even offer excellent accommodation at the venue at the very
modest price for en-suite rooms of £35 single and £45 double.

For details of the full programme, speakers and topics, send an
e-mail to lorna.kay@talktalk.net or phone 0161 792 2740.

Lorna Kay
Chairman - Manchester Regional Group
Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain

Researching:
WEISBERG (Kamenets Podolks, Zhvanets - Ukraine)
SEABERG (Tukkums, Valdemarpils - Latvia)
BLUESTONEKUTCHINSKY (Piotrow, Poland)
BRADPIECE/BRATSPIES (Lemberg, Austria)
FROMBERG (Roumania)
Re: Wife of Isaac KLAUBER (grandmother of MaHaRaL of Prague) #rabbinic

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

Moishe Miller

Your message seems unclear as you state that she was both ancestor of
the Mahara"l and also a descendant??!!

There is a marriage connection between the Mahara"l 's descendants and
the KLAUSNER family if that is what you meant.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM, <moishe.miller@totalben.com> wrote:
Dear group,

Sorry, My prior email should have said KLAUBER (not Caliber).

Does anyone know of source material for the wife and also for the
mother-in-law for Isaac KLAUBER (grandmother of MaHaRaL of Prague)?

Is there anything to suggest she descends >from R' Bezalel LOWEY, who was
father to the MaHaRaL of Prague?
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Wife of Isaac KLAUBER (grandmother of MaHaRaL of Prague) #rabbinic

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

Moishe Miller

Your message seems unclear as you state that she was both ancestor of
the Mahara"l and also a descendant??!!

There is a marriage connection between the Mahara"l 's descendants and
the KLAUSNER family if that is what you meant.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM, <moishe.miller@totalben.com> wrote:
Dear group,

Sorry, My prior email should have said KLAUBER (not Caliber).

Does anyone know of source material for the wife and also for the
mother-in-law for Isaac KLAUBER (grandmother of MaHaRaL of Prague)?

Is there anything to suggest she descends >from R' Bezalel LOWEY, who was
father to the MaHaRaL of Prague?
business directories newly searchable #scandinavia

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

I recently added the following business directories with Scandinavia
SIG coverage to my search engine at http://genealogyindexer.org,
mostly >from the series of global directories published by Leuchs:

1841-1846 series:
Denmark, Schleswig, Holstein Business Directory (Leuchs vol. 16) {d414}
Sweden and Norway Business Directory (Leuchs vol. 17) {d415}
Poland and Russia Business Directory (Leuchs vol. 18) {d416} *includes Finland*
North and South America Business Directory (Leuchs vol. 24) {d421}
*includes St. Thomas*
Hamburg, Bremen, Luebeck Business Directory (Leuchs vol. 6) {d404}
*includes Hamburg*

1833 Europe Business Directory (Leuchs) {d423} *includes Sweden,
Norway, Denmark, Hamburg*

1867 Hannover, Braunschweig, Oldenburg, Hamburg, Bremen, Luebeck
Business Directory (Leuchs vol. 6) {d387} *includes Hamburg*

1889 Russia, Poland, and Warsaw Industry Directory + Warsaw Homeowners
{d311} *includes Helsinki (as Helsingfors) and Turku (as Abo)*

These are all included if you search at http://genealogyindexer.org
with the default options. You can limit a search to one or more of
these directories by appending the codes in {} after your search, like
this: cohen {d414, d423}. There is currently no way to search just
the Scandinavian sections of these directories, but search results
will typically indicate the sections where matches occur (e.g.,
results >from the 1833 all-Europe directory d423 might include
"Section: Denmark").

All search results link to scans of the matching directory pages. The
Leuchs directory scans are hosted by the Bavarian State Library, which
has impressive online holdings that I expect will yield many more
genealogically useful sources upon further exploration.

I made the directories searchable by using Optical Character
Recognition (OCR) to convert the scanned images to text, a process
that is not 100% accurate (but much faster than manual transcription).
For the Leuchs directories especially, the accuracy for surnames and
occupations is very good, but the accuracy for town names is not.
Therefore, if you are interested in all the Leuchs entries >from a
particular town, I suggest refering to the place index
("Orts-Register") at the end of each directory, rather than (or in
addition to) searching for the town's name.

These directories are certainly not comprehensive, so not finding
someone listed in a town's section definitely does not mean (s)he did
not have a business there at the time. For some towns, a relatively
high proportion of the entries are likely Jewish, judging >from their
names only, and, for some towns, Jewish merchants are identified as
such, but, in general, I do not know how well represented Jewish
merchants are. I am not an expert on Scandinavian Jewry, but I did
find likely Jewish entries in several Danish towns that I checked.

Should you wish to examine these directories without searching, you
can find links to their scans and their titles in the original
languages at http://genealogyindexer.org/directories.

I frequently add directories and other sources to the search engine,
but I usually do not announce additions here. To receive
announcements, follow @gindexer on Twitter.

If you have any research successes with these directories, please let me know!

Best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
near Washington, D.C.
Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia business directories newly searchable #scandinavia

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

I recently added the following business directories with Scandinavia
SIG coverage to my search engine at http://genealogyindexer.org,
mostly >from the series of global directories published by Leuchs:

1841-1846 series:
Denmark, Schleswig, Holstein Business Directory (Leuchs vol. 16) {d414}
Sweden and Norway Business Directory (Leuchs vol. 17) {d415}
Poland and Russia Business Directory (Leuchs vol. 18) {d416} *includes Finland*
North and South America Business Directory (Leuchs vol. 24) {d421}
*includes St. Thomas*
Hamburg, Bremen, Luebeck Business Directory (Leuchs vol. 6) {d404}
*includes Hamburg*

1833 Europe Business Directory (Leuchs) {d423} *includes Sweden,
Norway, Denmark, Hamburg*

1867 Hannover, Braunschweig, Oldenburg, Hamburg, Bremen, Luebeck
Business Directory (Leuchs vol. 6) {d387} *includes Hamburg*

1889 Russia, Poland, and Warsaw Industry Directory + Warsaw Homeowners
{d311} *includes Helsinki (as Helsingfors) and Turku (as Abo)*

These are all included if you search at http://genealogyindexer.org
with the default options. You can limit a search to one or more of
these directories by appending the codes in {} after your search, like
this: cohen {d414, d423}. There is currently no way to search just
the Scandinavian sections of these directories, but search results
will typically indicate the sections where matches occur (e.g.,
results >from the 1833 all-Europe directory d423 might include
"Section: Denmark").

All search results link to scans of the matching directory pages. The
Leuchs directory scans are hosted by the Bavarian State Library, which
has impressive online holdings that I expect will yield many more
genealogically useful sources upon further exploration.

I made the directories searchable by using Optical Character
Recognition (OCR) to convert the scanned images to text, a process
that is not 100% accurate (but much faster than manual transcription).
For the Leuchs directories especially, the accuracy for surnames and
occupations is very good, but the accuracy for town names is not.
Therefore, if you are interested in all the Leuchs entries >from a
particular town, I suggest refering to the place index
("Orts-Register") at the end of each directory, rather than (or in
addition to) searching for the town's name.

These directories are certainly not comprehensive, so not finding
someone listed in a town's section definitely does not mean (s)he did
not have a business there at the time. For some towns, a relatively
high proportion of the entries are likely Jewish, judging >from their
names only, and, for some towns, Jewish merchants are identified as
such, but, in general, I do not know how well represented Jewish
merchants are. I am not an expert on Scandinavian Jewry, but I did
find likely Jewish entries in several Danish towns that I checked.

Should you wish to examine these directories without searching, you
can find links to their scans and their titles in the original
languages at http://genealogyindexer.org/directories.

I frequently add directories and other sources to the search engine,
but I usually do not announce additions here. To receive
announcements, follow @gindexer on Twitter.

If you have any research successes with these directories, please let me know!

Best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
near Washington, D.C.
Brzeziny Yizkor Book Published #yizkorbooks

Fay Bussgang
 

To all researchers interested in the town of Brzeziny near Lodz,

It is my pleasure to inform you of a very exciting development.
The "Brzeziny Yizkor Book," which was completely translated and
put up on JewishGen several years ago, is now available as a
beautiful book, prepared for publication by yours truly, as part
of the new "Yizkor-Books-in Print" initiative of JewishGen.

The book is published in hard cover in a 7" x 10" format, 466 pages,
with all images >from the original, including the memorial section,
and an index of names has been added.

Originally published in Yiddish in 1961 by survivors and former
residents, the book details, through personal accounts, the history
of the town, its colorful personalities, and its many institutions
and organizations, as well as its destruction during World War II.
The Jewish Brzeziny that is no more is vividly brought to life by
the various accounts and many photographs in this beautifully
written memorial book. It will be a treasure to have on your
bookshelf and share with your children and grandchildren.

The Brzeziny Yizkor Book is available through Amazon.com.
To see the beautiful cover and for further details, go to:
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/ybip/YBIP_Brzeziny.html

Fay Bussgang
Dedham, MA
Coordinator and Editor of the English Translation

P.S.: You may be interested to know that on May 16-17, 2012,
the Regional Museum in Brzeziny is having a commemoration of
the 70th Anniversary of the liquidation of the Brzeziny ghetto.
For further information, contact Pawel Zybala at
< muzeum.brzeziny@neostrada.pl >.
Yizkor Books #YizkorBooks Brzeziny Yizkor Book Published #yizkorbooks

Fay Bussgang
 

To all researchers interested in the town of Brzeziny near Lodz,

It is my pleasure to inform you of a very exciting development.
The "Brzeziny Yizkor Book," which was completely translated and
put up on JewishGen several years ago, is now available as a
beautiful book, prepared for publication by yours truly, as part
of the new "Yizkor-Books-in Print" initiative of JewishGen.

The book is published in hard cover in a 7" x 10" format, 466 pages,
with all images >from the original, including the memorial section,
and an index of names has been added.

Originally published in Yiddish in 1961 by survivors and former
residents, the book details, through personal accounts, the history
of the town, its colorful personalities, and its many institutions
and organizations, as well as its destruction during World War II.
The Jewish Brzeziny that is no more is vividly brought to life by
the various accounts and many photographs in this beautifully
written memorial book. It will be a treasure to have on your
bookshelf and share with your children and grandchildren.

The Brzeziny Yizkor Book is available through Amazon.com.
To see the beautiful cover and for further details, go to:
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/ybip/YBIP_Brzeziny.html

Fay Bussgang
Dedham, MA
Coordinator and Editor of the English Translation

P.S.: You may be interested to know that on May 16-17, 2012,
the Regional Museum in Brzeziny is having a commemoration of
the 70th Anniversary of the liquidation of the Brzeziny ghetto.
For further information, contact Pawel Zybala at
< muzeum.brzeziny@neostrada.pl >.
business directories newly searchable #sephardic

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

I recently added the following business directories that might be of
interest to Sephardic researchers to my search engine at
http://genealogyindexer.org, >from the series of global directories
published by Leuchs:

1841-1846 edition:
Belgium and Netherlands Business Directory (Leuchs vol. 15) {d413}
Italy, Sicily, Malta Business Directory (Leuchs vol. 20) {d417}
Spain and Portugal Business Directory (Leuchs vol. 22) {d419}
Greece, Turkey, Asia, Africa, Australia Business Directory (Leuchs
vol. 23) {d420}
North and South America Business Directory (Leuchs vol. 24) {d421}

1833 Europe Business Directory (Leuchs) {d423}

These are all included if you search at http://genealogyindexer.org
with the default options. You can limit a search to one or more of
these directories by appending the codes in {} after your search, like
this: vidal {d420, d421}. Search results will often indicate the
sections where matches occur (e.g., results >from directory d420 might
include "Section: Turkey").

All search results link to scans of the matching directory pages. The
Leuchs directory scans are hosted by the Bavarian State Library, which
has impressive online holdings that I expect will yield many more
genealogically useful sources upon further exploration.

I made the directories searchable by using Optical Character
Recognition (OCR) to convert the scanned images to text, a process
that is not 100% accurate (but is much faster than manual
transcription). The accuracy for surnames and occupations is very
good, but the accuracy for town names is not. Therefore, if you are
interested in all the Leuchs entries >from a particular town, I suggest
refering to the place index ("Orts-Register") at the end of each
directory, rather than (or in addition to) searching for the town's
name.

These directories are certainly not comprehensive, so not finding
someone listed in a town's section definitely does not mean (s)he did
not have a business there at the time.

Should you wish to examine these directories without searching, you
can find links to their scans and their original German titles at
http://genealogyindexer.org/directories.

I frequently add directories and other sources to the search engine,
but I usually do not announce additions here. To receive
announcements, follow @gindexer on Twitter.

If you have any research successes with these directories, please let me know!

Best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
near Washington, D.C.
Sephardic SIG #Sephardim business directories newly searchable #sephardic

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

I recently added the following business directories that might be of
interest to Sephardic researchers to my search engine at
http://genealogyindexer.org, >from the series of global directories
published by Leuchs:

1841-1846 edition:
Belgium and Netherlands Business Directory (Leuchs vol. 15) {d413}
Italy, Sicily, Malta Business Directory (Leuchs vol. 20) {d417}
Spain and Portugal Business Directory (Leuchs vol. 22) {d419}
Greece, Turkey, Asia, Africa, Australia Business Directory (Leuchs
vol. 23) {d420}
North and South America Business Directory (Leuchs vol. 24) {d421}

1833 Europe Business Directory (Leuchs) {d423}

These are all included if you search at http://genealogyindexer.org
with the default options. You can limit a search to one or more of
these directories by appending the codes in {} after your search, like
this: vidal {d420, d421}. Search results will often indicate the
sections where matches occur (e.g., results >from directory d420 might
include "Section: Turkey").

All search results link to scans of the matching directory pages. The
Leuchs directory scans are hosted by the Bavarian State Library, which
has impressive online holdings that I expect will yield many more
genealogically useful sources upon further exploration.

I made the directories searchable by using Optical Character
Recognition (OCR) to convert the scanned images to text, a process
that is not 100% accurate (but is much faster than manual
transcription). The accuracy for surnames and occupations is very
good, but the accuracy for town names is not. Therefore, if you are
interested in all the Leuchs entries >from a particular town, I suggest
refering to the place index ("Orts-Register") at the end of each
directory, rather than (or in addition to) searching for the town's
name.

These directories are certainly not comprehensive, so not finding
someone listed in a town's section definitely does not mean (s)he did
not have a business there at the time.

Should you wish to examine these directories without searching, you
can find links to their scans and their original German titles at
http://genealogyindexer.org/directories.

I frequently add directories and other sources to the search engine,
but I usually do not announce additions here. To receive
announcements, follow @gindexer on Twitter.

If you have any research successes with these directories, please let me know!

Best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
near Washington, D.C.
Re: Jews from Spain who ended up in Poland #sephardic

Gerald Gaffin <gerald.shirley@...>
 

I have just seen this entry on SephardiSig ,and would like to add my
own family legend to this discussion.
My immediate ancestors came to the UK in the late 1870's, >from what is
now Lithuania**, but the oral history is of originating in the Iberian
Peninsula [probably Portugal], at the time of the Spanish Inquisition,
and fleeing eastwards ~ initially settling in Aleppo in the 16thC.
The "Litvak** connection" appears to have started before the 1690's,
since that is when the first names started to appear in local records.
My paternal GM was a Chazan by birth, possibly derived >from a cantorial
ancestor [Hazan] or even a corruption of "Hassan", given the Aleppo
connection, whereas my paternal GF was a Gafanovich ~ indicating a link
to the Hebrew word for wine ~ Geffen . What is certain is that the
offspring of these two antecedents were, without exception, short, brown
eyed, had dark brown hair [sometimes wavy], swarthy skin and of stocky
build ~ including my own father, >from whom I inherited the brown eyes and
dark hair but ~ thanks to my mother [also of Litvak origins] ~ I am
about 6 feet/ 180 cms tall and fair skinned !! One cousin remarked that
all our parents looked Middle Eastern in origin !
My father told me that he often prayed in the Spanish & Portuguese
Synagogue in North Manchester, as a young man ~ although his family
belonged to a local Ashkenazi [European] synagogue ]. Despite my own
marriage in a Sephardi Synagogue, my wife's grandparents having originated
in Salonica, my own family nowadays follow the Ashkenazi tradition.
The historical gap in this story is >from the early 15th C to late 17th C,
which may be explained by time being spent in North African Jewish
communities, or possibly those of Leghorn/Livorno [hospitable to Jews at
that time], Izmir or even Salonica ~ which hosted a sizeable number of
Inquisition refugees in these unexplained years .
That the name Gefen / Gaffin [originally Gafanovich] had its origin in a
"wine" derivative is probable ~ even possible ~ but that must have
pre-dated the family's arrival in central Lithuania, where the weather was
[ and still is] not hospitable to grapes or vineyards, I suspect !
Any advice as to tracing the "missing years" data would be most appreciated,
as would comments >from others more experienced in this particular aspect of
genealogy than myself.
Dr Gerald Gaffin
[London, UK]
Sephardic SIG #Sephardim Re:Jews from Spain who ended up in Poland #sephardic

Gerald Gaffin <gerald.shirley@...>
 

I have just seen this entry on SephardiSig ,and would like to add my
own family legend to this discussion.
My immediate ancestors came to the UK in the late 1870's, >from what is
now Lithuania**, but the oral history is of originating in the Iberian
Peninsula [probably Portugal], at the time of the Spanish Inquisition,
and fleeing eastwards ~ initially settling in Aleppo in the 16thC.
The "Litvak** connection" appears to have started before the 1690's,
since that is when the first names started to appear in local records.
My paternal GM was a Chazan by birth, possibly derived >from a cantorial
ancestor [Hazan] or even a corruption of "Hassan", given the Aleppo
connection, whereas my paternal GF was a Gafanovich ~ indicating a link
to the Hebrew word for wine ~ Geffen . What is certain is that the
offspring of these two antecedents were, without exception, short, brown
eyed, had dark brown hair [sometimes wavy], swarthy skin and of stocky
build ~ including my own father, >from whom I inherited the brown eyes and
dark hair but ~ thanks to my mother [also of Litvak origins] ~ I am
about 6 feet/ 180 cms tall and fair skinned !! One cousin remarked that
all our parents looked Middle Eastern in origin !
My father told me that he often prayed in the Spanish & Portuguese
Synagogue in North Manchester, as a young man ~ although his family
belonged to a local Ashkenazi [European] synagogue ]. Despite my own
marriage in a Sephardi Synagogue, my wife's grandparents having originated
in Salonica, my own family nowadays follow the Ashkenazi tradition.
The historical gap in this story is >from the early 15th C to late 17th C,
which may be explained by time being spent in North African Jewish
communities, or possibly those of Leghorn/Livorno [hospitable to Jews at
that time], Izmir or even Salonica ~ which hosted a sizeable number of
Inquisition refugees in these unexplained years .
That the name Gefen / Gaffin [originally Gafanovich] had its origin in a
"wine" derivative is probable ~ even possible ~ but that must have
pre-dated the family's arrival in central Lithuania, where the weather was
[ and still is] not hospitable to grapes or vineyards, I suspect !
Any advice as to tracing the "missing years" data would be most appreciated,
as would comments >from others more experienced in this particular aspect of
genealogy than myself.
Dr Gerald Gaffin
[London, UK]
Galicia half day symposium #ukraine

msleag@...
 

Dear Friends
The Israel Genealogical Society will host The Association of Former
Jewish Residents and Descendants of Lwow and
Surrounding Areas and The Association for the Commemoration of Lwow
Jewish Heritage and Sites ,Hence you are cordially invited
to a half day symposium : Exploring Jewish Life, Culture, & Ancestry in
Galicia [Case Study: L'viv/Lwow/Lemberg]
The symposium will take place, Sunday June 3, 13 Sivan, 2012, 14:00
19:45 at Beit Hatefutzot, Tel-Aviv University campus
The program:
â?¢ Welcoming by * Dr. Lea Haber-Gedalia , IGS chairperson
* Mrs. Nurit Sheps-Caspi , Representative of The Association of
Former Jewish Residents and Descendants of Lwow and the
Surrounding Areas
â?¢ Lecture by the keynote speaker Ms. Pamela Weisberger, President & Research Coordinator, Gesher Galicia
and 1st Vice-President JGSLA (Los Angeles)
â?¢ Brief lectures by Mrs. Irit Shem-Tov and Mr. Ami Elyasaf
ï?? Lecture by Dr. Lea Haber-Gedalia, IGS chairperson
â?¢ Lecture by Dr. Bella Gutterman, Yad â?? Vashem
â?¢ Lecture by Dr. Sergey Kravtzow, Hebrew University
â?¢ Closing remarks by Dr. Eli Brauner and introduction of ACLA
Detailed program will be published soon
Entrance fee: 30 NIS Refreshments will be served
Early registration started
We recommend early registration to reserve your place
For registration send your name/s and e-mail address to info@isragen.org.il
Registration form can be printed >from www.isragen.org & sent to 'Israel Genealogical Society', 11 Hativat Kiryati St., Rishon L'Zion 75329 Or Call Marius for registration [Hebrew only] 054-4512506
Registration by fax send to 03-9581819
Transportation >from Beit Hatfutzot to "University" train station, will be provided upon demand at the end of the symposium

Lea Haber Gedalia, IGS Chairperson
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Galicia half day symposium #ukraine

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Dear Friends
The Israel Genealogical Society will host The Association of Former
Jewish Residents and Descendants of Lwow and
Surrounding Areas and The Association for the Commemoration of Lwow
Jewish Heritage and Sites ,Hence you are cordially invited
to a half day symposium : Exploring Jewish Life, Culture, & Ancestry in
Galicia [Case Study: L'viv/Lwow/Lemberg]
The symposium will take place, Sunday June 3, 13 Sivan, 2012, 14:00
19:45 at Beit Hatefutzot, Tel-Aviv University campus
The program:
â?¢ Welcoming by * Dr. Lea Haber-Gedalia , IGS chairperson
* Mrs. Nurit Sheps-Caspi , Representative of The Association of
Former Jewish Residents and Descendants of Lwow and the
Surrounding Areas
â?¢ Lecture by the keynote speaker Ms. Pamela Weisberger, President & Research Coordinator, Gesher Galicia
and 1st Vice-President JGSLA (Los Angeles)
â?¢ Brief lectures by Mrs. Irit Shem-Tov and Mr. Ami Elyasaf
ï?? Lecture by Dr. Lea Haber-Gedalia, IGS chairperson
â?¢ Lecture by Dr. Bella Gutterman, Yad â?? Vashem
â?¢ Lecture by Dr. Sergey Kravtzow, Hebrew University
â?¢ Closing remarks by Dr. Eli Brauner and introduction of ACLA
Detailed program will be published soon
Entrance fee: 30 NIS Refreshments will be served
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We recommend early registration to reserve your place
For registration send your name/s and e-mail address to info@isragen.org.il
Registration form can be printed >from www.isragen.org & sent to 'Israel Genealogical Society', 11 Hativat Kiryati St., Rishon L'Zion 75329 Or Call Marius for registration [Hebrew only] 054-4512506
Registration by fax send to 03-9581819
Transportation >from Beit Hatfutzot to "University" train station, will be provided upon demand at the end of the symposium

Lea Haber Gedalia, IGS Chairperson
Re: Is this a viable DNA testing strategy? #dna

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Israel-

I think this strategy has potential, but also has some flaws.

Potentially, you can get a y-dna test for Ariel and Vladimir, and
they will definitely be paternal line cousins. Of course, if they
don't match, then you have another set of problems!

At that time, also autosomally test them. Its quite possible, though
can't assume it outright, that the longest blocks of shared
chromosomes between the two would be along this paternal line
(assuming they matches in the YDNA test).

Next, you do the other automsomal test against Chana's relatives, and
if the same blocks show up, its a pretty good bet that they are all
cousins in the way you suspect.

Here are the flaws: Estimated cousinhoods in these tests seem to be
way, way off. They aren't reliable, and I wouldn't use them as proof
of anything. Though, if you *do* notice the links described above
*and* they show up as , say, 3rd or 4th cousins in, say, FTDNA's
Family Finder (or the 23andme equivalent, or whatever you prefer),
*then* you may be on to something.

I think its worth trying, but it would help if you could find others
in the same family group to both ydna test and autosomnally test (to
see if certain matched chromsome blocks that show up in the autosomal
test are really >from the paternal line).

Steve Bloom
Central Virginia

I am considering using DNA tests to confirm a suspected links among three
families.

The three families are as follows, in each case beginning >from the eldest
generation:

A) Mordecai--->Chaim-Yaakov--->Avraham--->Zvi--->Ilan--->Ariel
B) Mordecai--->Yehiel--->Yaakov--->Michael--->Vladimir
C)-------------------------------Necha--->Chana--->SON--->Grandchild

The two questions are 1) Are the two Mordecais the same person? and 2)
Is Necha the daughter of Yehiel ben Mordecai.

We can do a Y-chromosome for Ariel and Vladimir but even if there is a
match, it doesn't prove that the two Mordecais are the same person. they
could be uncle and nephew or first cousins and still show the Y-
chromosome match. So the question is are Vladimir and Ariel close enough
that an autosomal test would be meaningful, as a complement to the Y-
chromosome test? Vladimir and Ariel are at best third cousins once
removed.

Second, if we the Y-chromosome shows a match, would testing Ariel's aunt
(Ilan's sister) against Vladimir in an autosomal test be significantly more
useful? They would be putative third cousins.

Third, if we do an autosomal test on one of Chana's grandchildren and
compare with Vladimir (putative second cousins once removed), is that
relationship close enough to be meaningful? And would an autosomal
comparison between Chana's grandchild and Ariel (putative fourth cousins)
be meaningful?

Israel Pickholtz
DNA Research #DNA Re: Is this a viable DNA testing strategy? #dna

sbloom@...
 

Israel-

I think this strategy has potential, but also has some flaws.

Potentially, you can get a y-dna test for Ariel and Vladimir, and
they will definitely be paternal line cousins. Of course, if they
don't match, then you have another set of problems!

At that time, also autosomally test them. Its quite possible, though
can't assume it outright, that the longest blocks of shared
chromosomes between the two would be along this paternal line
(assuming they matches in the YDNA test).

Next, you do the other automsomal test against Chana's relatives, and
if the same blocks show up, its a pretty good bet that they are all
cousins in the way you suspect.

Here are the flaws: Estimated cousinhoods in these tests seem to be
way, way off. They aren't reliable, and I wouldn't use them as proof
of anything. Though, if you *do* notice the links described above
*and* they show up as , say, 3rd or 4th cousins in, say, FTDNA's
Family Finder (or the 23andme equivalent, or whatever you prefer),
*then* you may be on to something.

I think its worth trying, but it would help if you could find others
in the same family group to both ydna test and autosomnally test (to
see if certain matched chromsome blocks that show up in the autosomal
test are really >from the paternal line).

Steve Bloom
Central Virginia

I am considering using DNA tests to confirm a suspected links among three
families.

The three families are as follows, in each case beginning >from the eldest
generation:

A) Mordecai--->Chaim-Yaakov--->Avraham--->Zvi--->Ilan--->Ariel
B) Mordecai--->Yehiel--->Yaakov--->Michael--->Vladimir
C)-------------------------------Necha--->Chana--->SON--->Grandchild

The two questions are 1) Are the two Mordecais the same person? and 2)
Is Necha the daughter of Yehiel ben Mordecai.

We can do a Y-chromosome for Ariel and Vladimir but even if there is a
match, it doesn't prove that the two Mordecais are the same person. they
could be uncle and nephew or first cousins and still show the Y-
chromosome match. So the question is are Vladimir and Ariel close enough
that an autosomal test would be meaningful, as a complement to the Y-
chromosome test? Vladimir and Ariel are at best third cousins once
removed.

Second, if we the Y-chromosome shows a match, would testing Ariel's aunt
(Ilan's sister) against Vladimir in an autosomal test be significantly more
useful? They would be putative third cousins.

Third, if we do an autosomal test on one of Chana's grandchildren and
compare with Vladimir (putative second cousins once removed), is that
relationship close enough to be meaningful? And would an autosomal
comparison between Chana's grandchild and Ariel (putative fourth cousins)
be meaningful?

Israel Pickholtz
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