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Again, Re: "A List of VIctims of the Gomel/Homel pogrom of 1906" #general

Naomi Fatouros
 

On or around September 1, 2006, I told the Belarus
and the Jewishgen discussion group members that I had
read in James Boylan's "Revolutionary Lives," that, in
1906 the writer Anna Strunsky had interviewed victims
and townspeople in Gomel and subsequently written an
article about the pogrom that occurred just occurred
there. I said that it was possible that a pamphlet she
wrote about it, which was published seven years after
she wrote her article, is still extant, and I
suggested that it might be found at the New York
Section of the Council of Jewish Women or at the
Huntington Library in California.

I replied to each of those who wrote me privately of
their own interest in the pamphlet, that I myself had
no genealogical interest in Gomel and I tried to make
clear to all that I did not intend to make any effort
to search for a copy of the pamphlet. Since then, I
have not concerned myself with the location of the
pamphlet nor do I recall my having made any inquiries
about it to the Huntington Library or to any other
institution who might have a copy.

Nevertheless, today I received a message >from the
Huntington Library Assistant Natalie Russell, saying
that that library does indeed have a copy. She
requested that if I wanted a reproduction made, I
should let her know so that she might obtain an
estimate for its cost >from the library's photographic
department. She said she would need my full postal
address to send me the copy.

I have responded to Ms. Russell by thanking her for
her efforts, but I have also told her that I have no
intention of ordering a copy but will tell those of
you who would like a copy to request it directly >from the
Huntington Library. I will say that probably she will
hear >from those who do have an interest in the pamphlet.

I shall send copies of Ms. Russell's response to all
those who wish to obtain a copy of Strunsky's account,
assumin that they will follow up on her response. I
shall leave it to them to decide whether it should be
republished on the Internet by the Belarus Sig or by
Jewishgen and to find out how to make arrangements for
such a republication. (I do not believe the pamphlet's
copyright, if it was ever claimed, is still extant.)

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/
SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Searching:Abraham+Joseph FALC-Brooklyn before WW2,Origin-Kutno/Poland #general

noga <nogarub@...>
 

Shalom,
I'm looking for descendants of the brothers Abraham/Abram and
Joseph/Jozef FALC. The brothers were first cousins of my late
father and lately I got information that prior to WW2 they left
their Shtetl, Kutno, in Poland, emigrated to America and settled
in Brooklyn/New York. Their father was Mendel-Leib FALC, their
mother - Kajla FALC nee (G?)AST and their sisters were Sara FALC
and Ides SLUCKA nee FALC. The brothers were probably born during
the first decade of the 20th century. One of them was a musician
back in Poland and the other was employed by the Polish police.
It is possible that after moving to The USA their Surname was
changed a little bit to sound more American.

I'll appreciate any piece of information about the brothers and
their offsprings.

Noga RUB,
Tel-Aviv, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Again, Re: "A List of VIctims of the Gomel/Homel pogrom of 1906" #general

Naomi Fatouros
 

On or around September 1, 2006, I told the Belarus
and the Jewishgen discussion group members that I had
read in James Boylan's "Revolutionary Lives," that, in
1906 the writer Anna Strunsky had interviewed victims
and townspeople in Gomel and subsequently written an
article about the pogrom that occurred just occurred
there. I said that it was possible that a pamphlet she
wrote about it, which was published seven years after
she wrote her article, is still extant, and I
suggested that it might be found at the New York
Section of the Council of Jewish Women or at the
Huntington Library in California.

I replied to each of those who wrote me privately of
their own interest in the pamphlet, that I myself had
no genealogical interest in Gomel and I tried to make
clear to all that I did not intend to make any effort
to search for a copy of the pamphlet. Since then, I
have not concerned myself with the location of the
pamphlet nor do I recall my having made any inquiries
about it to the Huntington Library or to any other
institution who might have a copy.

Nevertheless, today I received a message >from the
Huntington Library Assistant Natalie Russell, saying
that that library does indeed have a copy. She
requested that if I wanted a reproduction made, I
should let her know so that she might obtain an
estimate for its cost >from the library's photographic
department. She said she would need my full postal
address to send me the copy.

I have responded to Ms. Russell by thanking her for
her efforts, but I have also told her that I have no
intention of ordering a copy but will tell those of
you who would like a copy to request it directly >from the
Huntington Library. I will say that probably she will
hear >from those who do have an interest in the pamphlet.

I shall send copies of Ms. Russell's response to all
those who wish to obtain a copy of Strunsky's account,
assumin that they will follow up on her response. I
shall leave it to them to decide whether it should be
republished on the Internet by the Belarus Sig or by
Jewishgen and to find out how to make arrangements for
such a republication. (I do not believe the pamphlet's
copyright, if it was ever claimed, is still extant.)

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/
SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching:Abraham+Joseph FALC-Brooklyn before WW2,Origin-Kutno/Poland #general

noga <nogarub@...>
 

Shalom,
I'm looking for descendants of the brothers Abraham/Abram and
Joseph/Jozef FALC. The brothers were first cousins of my late
father and lately I got information that prior to WW2 they left
their Shtetl, Kutno, in Poland, emigrated to America and settled
in Brooklyn/New York. Their father was Mendel-Leib FALC, their
mother - Kajla FALC nee (G?)AST and their sisters were Sara FALC
and Ides SLUCKA nee FALC. The brothers were probably born during
the first decade of the 20th century. One of them was a musician
back in Poland and the other was employed by the Polish police.
It is possible that after moving to The USA their Surname was
changed a little bit to sound more American.

I'll appreciate any piece of information about the brothers and
their offsprings.

Noga RUB,
Tel-Aviv, Israel


BAK / BACK and TRISCH / FRISCH, in Prague, Zlatniky and Slatiny, Czech Republic #general

Gabriela Novak <gabriela.novak@...>
 

I am still seeking any information on family BAK / BACK and TRISCH /
FRISCH who lived in Prague and in the town of Zlatniky and Slatiny,
near Prague.
I have posted my information on RootsWeb:
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=gabriela-novak&id=I250
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=gabriela-novak&id=I251
Thank you, Gabriela Novak.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen BAK / BACK and TRISCH / FRISCH, in Prague, Zlatniky and Slatiny, Czech Republic #general

Gabriela Novak <gabriela.novak@...>
 

I am still seeking any information on family BAK / BACK and TRISCH /
FRISCH who lived in Prague and in the town of Zlatniky and Slatiny,
near Prague.
I have posted my information on RootsWeb:
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=gabriela-novak&id=I250
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=gabriela-novak&id=I251
Thank you, Gabriela Novak.


When many Jews in the same town have the same name #germany

jplowens@...
 

The discussion of why some nice Jewish boys appear in records with
numbers after their names (like Lazarus Isaak II) raises another
important point.

In little towns where there were more than one (and sometimes many)
people with the same name, it often happend that some people adopted
different names so as to avoid confusion.

For 35 years my great grandmother's family was a brick wall for me because
her father was one of many men in his family called Moses MOSES.
In the town of Beerfelden in the Odenwald (Hessen) the MOSES family was huge.
Sorting out my MOSES family tree is like trying to put socks on an octopus.

What some of the Beerfelden MOSES did to avoid name confusion created
a different kind of confusion for later genealogists. Some dropped
the MOSES surname and adopted either ROSENTHAL or SONDHEIMER even before 1800.

See "Die Beerfeldner Juden 1691 - 1942" by Dr. Uri Kaufmann 2003
Herausgeber: Stadt Beerfelden
Gesamtherstellung: Druckberatung Walter M=FCller, Hetzbach
Druckerei Krauth, Eberbach
ISBN-Nr.: 3-00-011532-3

John Paul Lowens (geb. Loewenstein) Suburban NYC JPL25@...
Write to me about MOSES family genealogy at: BeerfeldenGE@...


German SIG #Germany When many Jews in the same town have the same name #germany

jplowens@...
 

The discussion of why some nice Jewish boys appear in records with
numbers after their names (like Lazarus Isaak II) raises another
important point.

In little towns where there were more than one (and sometimes many)
people with the same name, it often happend that some people adopted
different names so as to avoid confusion.

For 35 years my great grandmother's family was a brick wall for me because
her father was one of many men in his family called Moses MOSES.
In the town of Beerfelden in the Odenwald (Hessen) the MOSES family was huge.
Sorting out my MOSES family tree is like trying to put socks on an octopus.

What some of the Beerfelden MOSES did to avoid name confusion created
a different kind of confusion for later genealogists. Some dropped
the MOSES surname and adopted either ROSENTHAL or SONDHEIMER even before 1800.

See "Die Beerfeldner Juden 1691 - 1942" by Dr. Uri Kaufmann 2003
Herausgeber: Stadt Beerfelden
Gesamtherstellung: Druckberatung Walter M=FCller, Hetzbach
Druckerei Krauth, Eberbach
ISBN-Nr.: 3-00-011532-3

John Paul Lowens (geb. Loewenstein) Suburban NYC JPL25@...
Write to me about MOSES family genealogy at: BeerfeldenGE@...


EPSTEIN / RAVITZ #general

Paul & Irene Berman <ikpjb@...>
 

I am seeking descendents, particularly males, who are descended >from Yosef
(Joseph) Leib EPSTEIN (Levite) through his sons Yacov (Jacob) Meir Epstein
or Moshe RAVITZ. I assume the latter had a different surname so that he
would not be drafted into the Russian Army and Yacov Meir would have
appeared to have been an only son.
Yosef Leib was the son of Rabbi Yitzhak Mordechai of Kossov Poleski in the
Slonim District. His son Moshe Ravitz may have been born in 1902 and brought
to the US by his parents in 1912.
Moshe and Yacov were the first cousins of my grandfather, whose mother was
their aunt. I am interested in knowing whether any male descendents of the
brothers are doing DNA testing for their connection to the Epstein (Levite)
Family?
Irene Berman
Shoham, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen EPSTEIN / RAVITZ #general

Paul & Irene Berman <ikpjb@...>
 

I am seeking descendents, particularly males, who are descended >from Yosef
(Joseph) Leib EPSTEIN (Levite) through his sons Yacov (Jacob) Meir Epstein
or Moshe RAVITZ. I assume the latter had a different surname so that he
would not be drafted into the Russian Army and Yacov Meir would have
appeared to have been an only son.
Yosef Leib was the son of Rabbi Yitzhak Mordechai of Kossov Poleski in the
Slonim District. His son Moshe Ravitz may have been born in 1902 and brought
to the US by his parents in 1912.
Moshe and Yacov were the first cousins of my grandfather, whose mother was
their aunt. I am interested in knowing whether any male descendents of the
brothers are doing DNA testing for their connection to the Epstein (Levite)
Family?
Irene Berman
Shoham, Israel


MIRMOWITSCH #belarus

Michèle Krebs <krebs.m@...>
 

Hello,
My name is Michèle Krebs and I live in Berne/Switzerland.
My grand-parents emigrated >from Tblisi in about 1903 first to Mahilyow
(until 1906) and then to Berne/Switzerland. While my GM (born SCHERMANN)
remained in Switzerland with her two youngest children (my aunt and my
father, born in Switzerland), my GF and his two oldest sons returned to
Russia and the family never met again.
I know that my GM had correspondence with her family in Russia until her
death in 1954, and I even have pictures of the family in Russia so I know
that there was still family after World War II.
I know these names:
GF: Ruben Mirmowitsch,born ca.1870-1880(?)
Sons: Jona and Mischka Mirmowitsch, born between 1898/1904(?).

I recently found out that a man called Rifke Mirmowitsch,born 1880,
emigrated by ship >from Bremen to New York in February 1906 to his brother
Fried..(?) Mirmowitsch who lived then 33,Canal Street, New York (This I
learnt by checking Passenger Lists). If this is a person related to my
family I don't know.

I have no family left in Switzerland, and I think there must be cousins
either in Russia or emigrated to anywhere.Does anybody know something about
these persons?

Thanks for helping

Michèle Krebs

krebs.m@...


Belarus SIG #Belarus MIRMOWITSCH #belarus

Michèle Krebs <krebs.m@...>
 

Hello,
My name is Michèle Krebs and I live in Berne/Switzerland.
My grand-parents emigrated >from Tblisi in about 1903 first to Mahilyow
(until 1906) and then to Berne/Switzerland. While my GM (born SCHERMANN)
remained in Switzerland with her two youngest children (my aunt and my
father, born in Switzerland), my GF and his two oldest sons returned to
Russia and the family never met again.
I know that my GM had correspondence with her family in Russia until her
death in 1954, and I even have pictures of the family in Russia so I know
that there was still family after World War II.
I know these names:
GF: Ruben Mirmowitsch,born ca.1870-1880(?)
Sons: Jona and Mischka Mirmowitsch, born between 1898/1904(?).

I recently found out that a man called Rifke Mirmowitsch,born 1880,
emigrated by ship >from Bremen to New York in February 1906 to his brother
Fried..(?) Mirmowitsch who lived then 33,Canal Street, New York (This I
learnt by checking Passenger Lists). If this is a person related to my
family I don't know.

I have no family left in Switzerland, and I think there must be cousins
either in Russia or emigrated to anywhere.Does anybody know something about
these persons?

Thanks for helping

Michèle Krebs

krebs.m@...


Re: Lazarus Isaak II [and other "the second" names for Jews] #germany

Bob Weinberg <weinberg@...>
 

There were two circumstances under which a Lazarus Isaak II (i.e.,
the second) would occur within a single family, neither of which had
to do with religiosity:

1. If , after fixed family names were adopted, the child was an opus
posthumous, i.e., born after the death of his father and named after him.

2. During the time (1808-45 depending on the region of Germany) of
the taking on of fixed family names, if a man was named Isaak
Lazarus, and had a son named Lazarus Isaak (the latter named after
the male grandfather), and if the father decided to take on the
family name "Isaak" in order to not make his son change his name,
then the father would have changed his name to Lazarus Isaak (with
Isaak being the newly adopted fixed family name) and there would have
been Lazarus Isaac the elder and the young, i.e., I and II.! This
actually occurred on occasion.

Best wishes, Bob Weinberg, Brookline MA <weinberg@...>


German SIG #Germany Re: Lazarus Isaak II [and other "the second" names for Jews] #germany

Bob Weinberg <weinberg@...>
 

There were two circumstances under which a Lazarus Isaak II (i.e.,
the second) would occur within a single family, neither of which had
to do with religiosity:

1. If , after fixed family names were adopted, the child was an opus
posthumous, i.e., born after the death of his father and named after him.

2. During the time (1808-45 depending on the region of Germany) of
the taking on of fixed family names, if a man was named Isaak
Lazarus, and had a son named Lazarus Isaak (the latter named after
the male grandfather), and if the father decided to take on the
family name "Isaak" in order to not make his son change his name,
then the father would have changed his name to Lazarus Isaak (with
Isaak being the newly adopted fixed family name) and there would have
been Lazarus Isaac the elder and the young, i.e., I and II.! This
actually occurred on occasion.

Best wishes, Bob Weinberg, Brookline MA <weinberg@...>


Photo of great grandfather Chaim Leib Rauch #belarus

Gloria Resin
 

I have posted a photo of my great grandfather Chaim Leib RAUCH of
Vitebsk in what is now Belarus on the ViewMate website.

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8760

The story goes that Chaim Leib had 26 children, 18 with one wife and
8 with another. My grandfather Michael Rauch was one of 5 brothers
who I know of who emigrated to the U.S, the others being Abraham,
Friedman, Max and Nathan. I believe that their mother's name was
Leah Shifra PUTOLOFF. Does anyone know of other children of his who
came to America?

If anyone recognizes his pictures and/or is descended >from him I
would love to hear >from you. I'm trying to find the descendants of
my grandfather's siblings.

Thank you,

Gloria Resin
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Belarus SIG #Belarus Photo of great grandfather Chaim Leib Rauch #belarus

Gloria Resin
 

I have posted a photo of my great grandfather Chaim Leib RAUCH of
Vitebsk in what is now Belarus on the ViewMate website.

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8760

The story goes that Chaim Leib had 26 children, 18 with one wife and
8 with another. My grandfather Michael Rauch was one of 5 brothers
who I know of who emigrated to the U.S, the others being Abraham,
Friedman, Max and Nathan. I believe that their mother's name was
Leah Shifra PUTOLOFF. Does anyone know of other children of his who
came to America?

If anyone recognizes his pictures and/or is descended >from him I
would love to hear >from you. I'm trying to find the descendants of
my grandfather's siblings.

Thank you,

Gloria Resin
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Sephardic Jews in Germany #sephardic

Cary Aufseeser <cary@...>
 

My family heritage is German Jewish, but we have an oral tradition of
Sephardic descent on both my father's and mother's side. I have been able to
trace one ancestral line back to Barcelona and Gerona, and that is my
BENVENISTE line. I wonder if there is any information on four other lines of
possible Sephardic origin that I am also trying to trace.


SPANIER
My ancestors >from this line, beginning with Moses SPANIER, came from
Stadthagen, Germany and settled in Hamburg in the 17th century. I don't know
where they came >from before they settled in Stadthagen.

WOLFF
I can trace this line to Reckendorf, Bavaria, before they settled in Hamburg
in the 19th century. The original Sephardic surname was LUPO or LUPE.

LONDON
We have an oral tradition that these ancestors originally >from Spain,
traveled through Scotland and London before settling in Breslau, Silesia
(which was once in Prussia, and is now called Wroclaw, Poland).

HAHN
This Cohen family supposedly of Sephardic origin, settled in the Franconia
area of Northern Bavaria.


Cary Aufseeser
Newton, MA
cary@...


Sephardic SIG #Sephardim Sephardic Jews in Germany #sephardic

Cary Aufseeser <cary@...>
 

My family heritage is German Jewish, but we have an oral tradition of
Sephardic descent on both my father's and mother's side. I have been able to
trace one ancestral line back to Barcelona and Gerona, and that is my
BENVENISTE line. I wonder if there is any information on four other lines of
possible Sephardic origin that I am also trying to trace.


SPANIER
My ancestors >from this line, beginning with Moses SPANIER, came from
Stadthagen, Germany and settled in Hamburg in the 17th century. I don't know
where they came >from before they settled in Stadthagen.

WOLFF
I can trace this line to Reckendorf, Bavaria, before they settled in Hamburg
in the 19th century. The original Sephardic surname was LUPO or LUPE.

LONDON
We have an oral tradition that these ancestors originally >from Spain,
traveled through Scotland and London before settling in Breslau, Silesia
(which was once in Prussia, and is now called Wroclaw, Poland).

HAHN
This Cohen family supposedly of Sephardic origin, settled in the Franconia
area of Northern Bavaria.


Cary Aufseeser
Newton, MA
cary@...


Re: Surname origin -- BANKZ #general

Alexander Sharon
 

"Tracie Rose" wrote

Hi there!

My name is Tracie and I am desperately looking for *any* information to
lead me in the right direction with my family search. My family name is
BANKZ and after spending time immeasurable and thousands of dollars I
feel that I am no further ahead. My grandfather was born 1928 in Alberta
Canada, he was one of 12 children who were all separated at very young
ages. There are none still alive today except one who is in a home and
refuses to speak with anyone and the youngest one who was a baby and too
young to know anything

If the information I have is correct his name was Jamel BANKZ and his
dad was Jacob moms name Elsie. . Their father migrated over here with
his parents sometime after 1911. Although he (the father, Jamel) claims
to have been born in Hamilton, Ontario, nothing has turned up there.

I believe they were German, but again just a hunch.

I have never turned up anything on genealogy sites worth mentioning, the
closest thing I have found to their last name was posted through your
site. The name turned up in a place called Rzeszow, Poland and it
was listed as BANK z d. GOLDSTEIN. I don't know if they are
connected at all but I am getting desperate! I am currently in the
process of having an article of clothing that belonged to my late uncle
analyzed by forensic DNA to see if there is anything on it that can be
tested. To the best of my knowledge there are no living males of that
line left so if the forensics doesn't work I am afraid I will
never know.

I have obtained all registry documents pertaining to them, in the way of
birth, death and the marriage registration of their parents however it
has not proven much.

If there is anything that you can tell me or a direction you can point
me in I would be most greatful.
Dear Tracy,

"Bank z d. Goldstein" opens as "Bank z domu Goldstein", which means in
English: Bank, nee Goldstein.
To the original family name Bank, someone add letter 'z' >from the additional
Polish phrase that identifies premarried name and which starts with the
letter "z'.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Surname origin -- BANKZ #general

Alexander Sharon
 

"Tracie Rose" wrote

Hi there!

My name is Tracie and I am desperately looking for *any* information to
lead me in the right direction with my family search. My family name is
BANKZ and after spending time immeasurable and thousands of dollars I
feel that I am no further ahead. My grandfather was born 1928 in Alberta
Canada, he was one of 12 children who were all separated at very young
ages. There are none still alive today except one who is in a home and
refuses to speak with anyone and the youngest one who was a baby and too
young to know anything

If the information I have is correct his name was Jamel BANKZ and his
dad was Jacob moms name Elsie. . Their father migrated over here with
his parents sometime after 1911. Although he (the father, Jamel) claims
to have been born in Hamilton, Ontario, nothing has turned up there.

I believe they were German, but again just a hunch.

I have never turned up anything on genealogy sites worth mentioning, the
closest thing I have found to their last name was posted through your
site. The name turned up in a place called Rzeszow, Poland and it
was listed as BANK z d. GOLDSTEIN. I don't know if they are
connected at all but I am getting desperate! I am currently in the
process of having an article of clothing that belonged to my late uncle
analyzed by forensic DNA to see if there is anything on it that can be
tested. To the best of my knowledge there are no living males of that
line left so if the forensics doesn't work I am afraid I will
never know.

I have obtained all registry documents pertaining to them, in the way of
birth, death and the marriage registration of their parents however it
has not proven much.

If there is anything that you can tell me or a direction you can point
me in I would be most greatful.
Dear Tracy,

"Bank z d. Goldstein" opens as "Bank z domu Goldstein", which means in
English: Bank, nee Goldstein.
To the original family name Bank, someone add letter 'z' >from the additional
Polish phrase that identifies premarried name and which starts with the
letter "z'.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab