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Re: Stockholm Survivors List "A" #general

Simon Tardell
 

arie wishnia skrev:
While searching for the name Zaidman name on the JRI-Poland database I found on
the Stockholm Survivors list the following: Zeidman Minc(?)Frieda Polish born 25
Feb 1910 List "A".
I don't know what this list is, but I assume it is a list of Jews who were
evacuated >from camps at the end of, or after the end of, the war to Sweden (e.g.
with the white buses). In that case, they would have been registered by the
"foreigners bureau" when arriving in Sweden. Try asking the Swedish National
Archives: riksarkivet@....

Simon Tardell,
Stockholm, Sweden.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Stockholm Survivors List "A" #general

Simon Tardell
 

arie wishnia skrev:
While searching for the name Zaidman name on the JRI-Poland database I found on
the Stockholm Survivors list the following: Zeidman Minc(?)Frieda Polish born 25
Feb 1910 List "A".
I don't know what this list is, but I assume it is a list of Jews who were
evacuated >from camps at the end of, or after the end of, the war to Sweden (e.g.
with the white buses). In that case, they would have been registered by the
"foreigners bureau" when arriving in Sweden. Try asking the Swedish National
Archives: riksarkivet@....

Simon Tardell,
Stockholm, Sweden.


Papa, Geza and Gaspar #hungary

peter bakos <pgbakos@...>
 

Dear Fellow Siggers,

I am not in Budapest and have not looked at this site for a few days and so
these may already have been answered.

I have a paper on which I transcribed a note in the Archives which said,
effectively, that the Jewish records of Papa before 1867 were sent to the
Archives in Nyitra in Slovakia. It had something to do with peace
seetlement issues after WW I, I think. (A friend translated the note).

Geza is Geza, it is nothing else.

My cousin, Gupsy Pallavicini was Gaszpard. I think Gaszpard/Caspar, etc. is
not central or eastern European. This name has biblical origins as Gaspar
was one of the three "wise men".

Peter Bakos
Budapest, usually, Paris temporarily


Hungary SIG #Hungary Papa, Geza and Gaspar #hungary

peter bakos <pgbakos@...>
 

Dear Fellow Siggers,

I am not in Budapest and have not looked at this site for a few days and so
these may already have been answered.

I have a paper on which I transcribed a note in the Archives which said,
effectively, that the Jewish records of Papa before 1867 were sent to the
Archives in Nyitra in Slovakia. It had something to do with peace
seetlement issues after WW I, I think. (A friend translated the note).

Geza is Geza, it is nothing else.

My cousin, Gupsy Pallavicini was Gaszpard. I think Gaszpard/Caspar, etc. is
not central or eastern European. This name has biblical origins as Gaspar
was one of the three "wise men".

Peter Bakos
Budapest, usually, Paris temporarily


looking for records from Grosswardein(oradea) Romania #hungary

Roger Adler <baldreal@...>
 

Dear Sigs:

my grandfather was born in Grosswardein in 1863
and I had a researcher look in the records there and
he could not find anything there. Does anybody have
any idea where I could look for birth records for that
time. Also perhaps marriage records for before and
after 1863.


Sincerely,

Roger S. Adler
San Antonio, Tx
Email: Baldreal@...


*re: Nation's Memory Institute Slovak Republic #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Hello Ury, and all

Indeed, the address you used is the one that is marked on the forms. But UPN's site mentions different addresses. See page:
http://www.upn.gov.sk/o-ustave-pamati-naroda/kontakty/

I was about to mail them my forms, so thanks for letting us all know of this glitch.

Regards
Tom

At 01:04 -0500 03.08.2007, H-SIG digest wrote:
Subject: Nation's Memory Institute Slovak Republic
From: meretz <meretz@...>
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:42:14 +0200
X-Message-Number: 1

Recently I have written to the Ustav Pamati Naroda (Nation's Memory
Institute Slovak Republic), sending the requested application forms for
access to documents about a deceased person. The address which I found on
their web site was Ustav Pamati Naroda, Kosicka 52, P.O.Box 87, 820 05
Bratislava, Slovak Republic. Today my letter returned >from Bratislava, with
the address crossed and a sticker saying Inconnu/Neznany (Unknown).
Does anybody know the right address? Has anyone had any experience with this
institution?
Thanks,
Uri Meretz, Israel
--
...........................................
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Hungary SIG #Hungary looking for records from Grosswardein(oradea) Romania #hungary

Roger Adler <baldreal@...>
 

Dear Sigs:

my grandfather was born in Grosswardein in 1863
and I had a researcher look in the records there and
he could not find anything there. Does anybody have
any idea where I could look for birth records for that
time. Also perhaps marriage records for before and
after 1863.


Sincerely,

Roger S. Adler
San Antonio, Tx
Email: Baldreal@...


Hungary SIG #Hungary *re: Nation's Memory Institute Slovak Republic #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Hello Ury, and all

Indeed, the address you used is the one that is marked on the forms. But UPN's site mentions different addresses. See page:
http://www.upn.gov.sk/o-ustave-pamati-naroda/kontakty/

I was about to mail them my forms, so thanks for letting us all know of this glitch.

Regards
Tom

At 01:04 -0500 03.08.2007, H-SIG digest wrote:
Subject: Nation's Memory Institute Slovak Republic
From: meretz <meretz@...>
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:42:14 +0200
X-Message-Number: 1

Recently I have written to the Ustav Pamati Naroda (Nation's Memory
Institute Slovak Republic), sending the requested application forms for
access to documents about a deceased person. The address which I found on
their web site was Ustav Pamati Naroda, Kosicka 52, P.O.Box 87, 820 05
Bratislava, Slovak Republic. Today my letter returned >from Bratislava, with
the address crossed and a sticker saying Inconnu/Neznany (Unknown).
Does anybody know the right address? Has anyone had any experience with this
institution?
Thanks,
Uri Meretz, Israel
--
...........................................
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Name "November" #hungary

Leslie Weinberg <lbw50@...>
 

I have been searching my "November" family with the help of a
researcher in Oradea Romania. My great-grandmother was Hani
November, married to Adoph "Abraham" Reisz. Although she was born in
Oradea, her father, Heinrich "Mihaly", and her mother Betti
Goldstein, came to Oradea >from Viss, Hungary.

Among the records I have received, it would appear that Hani's
siblings were Judel, Barczi, Peril, and Vilmos - at least those are
the only records my researcher has found.

Mihaly's brother, Joachim, married Bluma Goldstein, and their
children were Felip, who died as an infant, Kopel, and Sali. I
believe that there was a son Karoly, born elsewhere in Hungary before
the family moved to Oradea. Karoly was godfather to one of Hani's sons.

I also have records for a Lajos November, Lazar November, Samuel
Simon November, Karolina November, Luiza November, Kati November,
Czeczil November, Pepi November.

I am not exactly sure what the relationship is of these other Novembers.

My great-grandfather Abraham's parents were Cheskel Reisz and Tema
Grin, >from Viss.

Do any of these people fit into someone's tree??? Leslie Weinberg

Leslie Weinberg
lbw50@...
Searching Eisen - Tyczyn, Poland, Oradea, Romania, Paris France.
Reisz (Reiss, Reis) - Oradea, Romania, Hungary (all). November -
Oradea, Romania, Hungary. Iram - Tyczyn and all of Poland. Grin -
Hungary. Danskoy - (Danskoi, Donskoy) Nezhin, Ukraine. Weinberg.
Sominsky, Mischinsky - Vandmarpils, all of Latvia.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Name "November" #hungary

Leslie Weinberg <lbw50@...>
 

I have been searching my "November" family with the help of a
researcher in Oradea Romania. My great-grandmother was Hani
November, married to Adoph "Abraham" Reisz. Although she was born in
Oradea, her father, Heinrich "Mihaly", and her mother Betti
Goldstein, came to Oradea >from Viss, Hungary.

Among the records I have received, it would appear that Hani's
siblings were Judel, Barczi, Peril, and Vilmos - at least those are
the only records my researcher has found.

Mihaly's brother, Joachim, married Bluma Goldstein, and their
children were Felip, who died as an infant, Kopel, and Sali. I
believe that there was a son Karoly, born elsewhere in Hungary before
the family moved to Oradea. Karoly was godfather to one of Hani's sons.

I also have records for a Lajos November, Lazar November, Samuel
Simon November, Karolina November, Luiza November, Kati November,
Czeczil November, Pepi November.

I am not exactly sure what the relationship is of these other Novembers.

My great-grandfather Abraham's parents were Cheskel Reisz and Tema
Grin, >from Viss.

Do any of these people fit into someone's tree??? Leslie Weinberg

Leslie Weinberg
lbw50@...
Searching Eisen - Tyczyn, Poland, Oradea, Romania, Paris France.
Reisz (Reiss, Reis) - Oradea, Romania, Hungary (all). November -
Oradea, Romania, Hungary. Iram - Tyczyn and all of Poland. Grin -
Hungary. Danskoy - (Danskoi, Donskoy) Nezhin, Ukraine. Weinberg.
Sominsky, Mischinsky - Vandmarpils, all of Latvia.


Posting Etiquette #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

It is important when posting to observe "posting etiquette" which includes
providing your name, where you are located and your e-mail address. By doing
this, you will assist anyone who is trying to help respond to your inquiry.

In addition, there may be other Genners who have a similar or the same name
as you and this will avoid confusion over who you are.

For instance, recently, my acquaintances on JewishGen have been sending responses
to me regarding posts that ann.rabinowitz@... has been making as they thought
it was me.

Ann Rabinowitz
Miami Beach, FL
annrab@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Posting Etiquette #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

It is important when posting to observe "posting etiquette" which includes
providing your name, where you are located and your e-mail address. By doing
this, you will assist anyone who is trying to help respond to your inquiry.

In addition, there may be other Genners who have a similar or the same name
as you and this will avoid confusion over who you are.

For instance, recently, my acquaintances on JewishGen have been sending responses
to me regarding posts that ann.rabinowitz@... has been making as they thought
it was me.

Ann Rabinowitz
Miami Beach, FL
annrab@...


Sephardic SIG #Sephardim Sephardic Community in Vienna, Austria #sephardic

Mathilde Tagger <tagger@...>
 

Dear all,

Celia Male wrote:
There was an on old-established Sephardic community in Vienna; indeed the
Sultan of Turkey had negotiated for some of his citizens to live in Vienna
and this meant Ottoman Jews could settle there before 1848. Ironically,
Jews
from other areas of the Habsburg Empire were not allowed to settle in
Vienna till well after 1848, when the influxes >from Bohemia, Moravia,
Hungary, Galicia etc > began.

I have always been interested in the Sephardic community in Vienna but
have not done any work on it. ......
A lot of the graves >from Tor IV (door 4) Group 9 appear to be >from
Bulgaria. Please note the French inscriptions on some of the graves.

Just follow this link to see the page:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/sets/72157600562689992/detail/

------>
Celia's remark is absolutely right. The Jewish Turkish Community was
founded in Vienna around 1740-1750. Only Jewish Ottoman citizens were
allowed to live in Vienna while it was forbidden to Austrian Jews or others
to live in the Austrian capital. It happened that some Viennese Ashkenazi
families moved to Constantinople (now Istanbul) for a year or less, obtained
there an Ottoman citizenship and came back to Vienna.
The Turkish community in Vienna was mainly composed of Jews >from various
places in the Ottoman Empire. No wonder to find in Vienna many Jews who were
born in Bulgaria, especially >from Rustchuk (now Russe), as this city lays on
the Danube river. Transportation was easy between Rustchuk and Vienna. This
was the same case for Sarajevo (Bosnia Herzegovina) Jews who reached Vienna
via Danube tributary and the Danube itself.

Thanks to the precious help of Jeff Malka who last year scanned for me the
microfilmed registers kept at the Mormon Library, I was able to prepare a
computerized index the Birth Register that is totally finished. As to the
Marriage Register index, I am still working on it.
Among the most common surnames are ADUTT, BENVENISTE, FARCHY, ALBALAK, ASSEO
etc. (see Celia's list).

The birth registration began in 1848 when the law on birth registration was
promulgated. The birth registration ended in 1938 when the on the
Kristallnacht the beautiful Turkish (Sephardic) Synagogue together with all
the other synagogues in Vienna (except one) have been completely destroyed.
This is how the Turkish (Sephardic) community ended.
The marriage registers cover the years 1846-1938. I hope to be soon able to
upload the 2 databases on the Internet.

Interesting to point out that there were many "intermarriages" between
Sephardim and Ashkenazim in Vienna. They covered nearly 20% of the Turkish
(Sephardic) Community.

Not less interesting is the following story dealing with present "Sephardic"
community in Vienna. The community is...Bukharan. How? Why?
Being afraid to have a too long message, I'll soon post the story of this
new "Sephardic" community in Vienna


Shalom,

Mathilde Tagger
Sephardim SIG Coordinator
Israel Genealogical Society


Sephardic Community in Vienna, Austria #sephardic

Mathilde Tagger <tagger@...>
 

Dear all,

Celia Male wrote:
There was an on old-established Sephardic community in Vienna; indeed the
Sultan of Turkey had negotiated for some of his citizens to live in Vienna
and this meant Ottoman Jews could settle there before 1848. Ironically,
Jews
from other areas of the Habsburg Empire were not allowed to settle in
Vienna till well after 1848, when the influxes >from Bohemia, Moravia,
Hungary, Galicia etc > began.

I have always been interested in the Sephardic community in Vienna but
have not done any work on it. ......
A lot of the graves >from Tor IV (door 4) Group 9 appear to be >from
Bulgaria. Please note the French inscriptions on some of the graves.

Just follow this link to see the page:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/sets/72157600562689992/detail/

------>
Celia's remark is absolutely right. The Jewish Turkish Community was
founded in Vienna around 1740-1750. Only Jewish Ottoman citizens were
allowed to live in Vienna while it was forbidden to Austrian Jews or others
to live in the Austrian capital. It happened that some Viennese Ashkenazi
families moved to Constantinople (now Istanbul) for a year or less, obtained
there an Ottoman citizenship and came back to Vienna.
The Turkish community in Vienna was mainly composed of Jews >from various
places in the Ottoman Empire. No wonder to find in Vienna many Jews who were
born in Bulgaria, especially >from Rustchuk (now Russe), as this city lays on
the Danube river. Transportation was easy between Rustchuk and Vienna. This
was the same case for Sarajevo (Bosnia Herzegovina) Jews who reached Vienna
via Danube tributary and the Danube itself.

Thanks to the precious help of Jeff Malka who last year scanned for me the
microfilmed registers kept at the Mormon Library, I was able to prepare a
computerized index the Birth Register that is totally finished. As to the
Marriage Register index, I am still working on it.
Among the most common surnames are ADUTT, BENVENISTE, FARCHY, ALBALAK, ASSEO
etc. (see Celia's list).

The birth registration began in 1848 when the law on birth registration was
promulgated. The birth registration ended in 1938 when the on the
Kristallnacht the beautiful Turkish (Sephardic) Synagogue together with all
the other synagogues in Vienna (except one) have been completely destroyed.
This is how the Turkish (Sephardic) community ended.
The marriage registers cover the years 1846-1938. I hope to be soon able to
upload the 2 databases on the Internet.

Interesting to point out that there were many "intermarriages" between
Sephardim and Ashkenazim in Vienna. They covered nearly 20% of the Turkish
(Sephardic) Community.

Not less interesting is the following story dealing with present "Sephardic"
community in Vienna. The community is...Bukharan. How? Why?
Being afraid to have a too long message, I'll soon post the story of this
new "Sephardic" community in Vienna


Shalom,

Mathilde Tagger
Sephardim SIG Coordinator
Israel Genealogical Society


Sephardic SIG #Sephardim The Turkish Community in Vienna #sephardic

Mathilde Tagger <tagger@...>
 

Dear all,

I just read a fascinating message sent to the JewishGen Discussion Group,by
Celia Male (UK) about the so called "Turkish Community of Vienna".
With Celia's permission I am hereby copying the message to which I'll answer
separately.
------
There was an on old-established Sephardic community in Vienna; indeed the
Sultan of Turkey had negotiated for some of his citizens to live in Vienna
and this meant Ottoman Jews could settle there before 1848. Ironically, Jews
from other areas of the Habsburg Empire were not allowed to settle in Vienna till
well after 1848, when the influxes >from Bohemia, Moravia, Hungary, Galicia
etc began.

I have always been interested in the Sephardic community in Vienna but have
not done any work on it. I am familiar with many of the names >from my childhood
in Alexandria, Egypt [nb the CHEMTOB grave >from Cairo but I have never found
the family]. I keep passing these graves in the huge Zentral Friedhof, Vienna
Tor 1 and Tor IV [Tor means *Gate* and Tor IV is the newer section] and here are
justa very few of them to whet your appetite [see footnote for names]. There are
many, many more. A lot of the graves >from Tor IV Group 9 appear to be from
Bulgaria. Please note the French inscriptions on some of the graves.

Just follow this link to see the page:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/sets/72157600562689992/detail/

I apologise for the poor quality of some pictures but at the time I was a
beginner. I hope to add to this website when I next go to the Zentral
Friedhof, assuming it is not raining, snowing and dark!

The ELIAS grave in Tor 1 is really amazing [only a glimpse can be seen here]
and next to it in Group 52A are many older Sephardic graves [there is an
ADUTT cluster here, plus FARCHY, BENVENISTI, ALBAHRY and many others too!]

You can also choose a slideshow and click the *I* in the middle of the page
to get the comments. I hope you will find them interesting and perhaps someone
will find a link to a long-lost family member.

Footnote: Names to be seen here are - ABA ALBACHARY ARDITTI BEHAR
BENMAYOR BENSUSSAN BENVENISTE CANETTI CAPPON CHEMTOB COHEN
FARCHY MERKADIC MITRANY NISSIM PAPO RUFANA SABETAY SALOM SAPORTA
SOTTO SARFATI VENTURA

--------
Shalom,
Mathilde Tagger
Sephardim SIG Coordinator
Israel Genealogical Society


The Turkish Community in Vienna #sephardic

Mathilde Tagger <tagger@...>
 

Dear all,

I just read a fascinating message sent to the JewishGen Discussion Group,by
Celia Male (UK) about the so called "Turkish Community of Vienna".
With Celia's permission I am hereby copying the message to which I'll answer
separately.
------
There was an on old-established Sephardic community in Vienna; indeed the
Sultan of Turkey had negotiated for some of his citizens to live in Vienna
and this meant Ottoman Jews could settle there before 1848. Ironically, Jews
from other areas of the Habsburg Empire were not allowed to settle in Vienna till
well after 1848, when the influxes >from Bohemia, Moravia, Hungary, Galicia
etc began.

I have always been interested in the Sephardic community in Vienna but have
not done any work on it. I am familiar with many of the names >from my childhood
in Alexandria, Egypt [nb the CHEMTOB grave >from Cairo but I have never found
the family]. I keep passing these graves in the huge Zentral Friedhof, Vienna
Tor 1 and Tor IV [Tor means *Gate* and Tor IV is the newer section] and here are
justa very few of them to whet your appetite [see footnote for names]. There are
many, many more. A lot of the graves >from Tor IV Group 9 appear to be from
Bulgaria. Please note the French inscriptions on some of the graves.

Just follow this link to see the page:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/sets/72157600562689992/detail/

I apologise for the poor quality of some pictures but at the time I was a
beginner. I hope to add to this website when I next go to the Zentral
Friedhof, assuming it is not raining, snowing and dark!

The ELIAS grave in Tor 1 is really amazing [only a glimpse can be seen here]
and next to it in Group 52A are many older Sephardic graves [there is an
ADUTT cluster here, plus FARCHY, BENVENISTI, ALBAHRY and many others too!]

You can also choose a slideshow and click the *I* in the middle of the page
to get the comments. I hope you will find them interesting and perhaps someone
will find a link to a long-lost family member.

Footnote: Names to be seen here are - ABA ALBACHARY ARDITTI BEHAR
BENMAYOR BENSUSSAN BENVENISTE CANETTI CAPPON CHEMTOB COHEN
FARCHY MERKADIC MITRANY NISSIM PAPO RUFANA SABETAY SALOM SAPORTA
SOTTO SARFATI VENTURA

--------
Shalom,
Mathilde Tagger
Sephardim SIG Coordinator
Israel Genealogical Society


Sephardic SIG #Sephardim IAJGS conference in Salt Lake City #sephardic

malkajef <malkajef@...>
 

I am delighted to inform the group that at the recent annual IAJGS
genealogy conference in Salt Lake City history was made. Our Mathilde
Tagger was awarded this year's Lifetime Achievement Award "in
recognition of her enormous contributions to the advancement of
Sephardic Jewish genealogy". Bravo Mathilde! A very deserved
recognition of something we have all known for a long time. This is the
first time the IAJGS has awarded this prize to a Sephardic researcher
and they could not have chosen a more deserving person. Her
contributions have been really enormous and we are all proud of her.

On the other hand, those who attended the conference were disappointed
by the little Sephardic content at the conference. Both Mathilde Tagger
and I were scheduled to give presentations at the conference but had to
cancel for medical and personal reasons. That left only one other
Sephardic presentation at the conference. I apologize for not being
able to attend but this underscores the importance of broader Sephardic
participation at these conferences. It is necessary for more of us to
take an active part and present our research and share our knowledge.
The small amount of Sephardic content at these conferences is not the
fault of the conference organizers. If Sephardic researchers do not
propose presentations they are willing to give, the organizers have very
few to chose >from for the program.

Jeff Malka


Sephardic SIG #Sephardim Re: Disappointment at the recent IAJGS Conference in Salt Lake City #sephardic

A & B Algaze <Algaze@...>
 

I recently posted a message to this forum regarding my disappointment at the
lack of Sephardic content at the recent IAJGS Conference in Salt Lake City.
In response to my posting, it has been pointed out to me that there are only
a few Sephardic researchers who seem to carry the whole burden of
leadership. The same names appear over and over in our SIG forum and on the
conference list of speakers.

Perhaps others of us should "step up to the plate" and think about giving
back to the Sephardic community. Each of us has knowledge of our own area
of research and surely we can help others with their research in our own
area of speciality. As a suggestion, we might ask new SIG members to
identify themselves and the areas in which they need help and perhaps some
of us who have knowledge of that area, could make suggestions as to where to
look.

Something to think about.

Barbara Algaze
Los Angeles, California
Algaze@...


IAJGS conference in Salt Lake City #sephardic

malkajef <malkajef@...>
 

I am delighted to inform the group that at the recent annual IAJGS
genealogy conference in Salt Lake City history was made. Our Mathilde
Tagger was awarded this year's Lifetime Achievement Award "in
recognition of her enormous contributions to the advancement of
Sephardic Jewish genealogy". Bravo Mathilde! A very deserved
recognition of something we have all known for a long time. This is the
first time the IAJGS has awarded this prize to a Sephardic researcher
and they could not have chosen a more deserving person. Her
contributions have been really enormous and we are all proud of her.

On the other hand, those who attended the conference were disappointed
by the little Sephardic content at the conference. Both Mathilde Tagger
and I were scheduled to give presentations at the conference but had to
cancel for medical and personal reasons. That left only one other
Sephardic presentation at the conference. I apologize for not being
able to attend but this underscores the importance of broader Sephardic
participation at these conferences. It is necessary for more of us to
take an active part and present our research and share our knowledge.
The small amount of Sephardic content at these conferences is not the
fault of the conference organizers. If Sephardic researchers do not
propose presentations they are willing to give, the organizers have very
few to chose >from for the program.

Jeff Malka


Re: Disappointment at the recent IAJGS Conference in Salt Lake City #sephardic

A & B Algaze <Algaze@...>
 

I recently posted a message to this forum regarding my disappointment at the
lack of Sephardic content at the recent IAJGS Conference in Salt Lake City.
In response to my posting, it has been pointed out to me that there are only
a few Sephardic researchers who seem to carry the whole burden of
leadership. The same names appear over and over in our SIG forum and on the
conference list of speakers.

Perhaps others of us should "step up to the plate" and think about giving
back to the Sephardic community. Each of us has knowledge of our own area
of research and surely we can help others with their research in our own
area of speciality. As a suggestion, we might ask new SIG members to
identify themselves and the areas in which they need help and perhaps some
of us who have knowledge of that area, could make suggestions as to where to
look.

Something to think about.

Barbara Algaze
Los Angeles, California
Algaze@...