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Re: names from mourners book #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

The names in your mourners book are their Hebrew names with no last
names-Jews were traditionally known as 'Joe the son of Fred.' The
government assigned family names so that they could keep track of the
families (horror {;-)] ). So Jews did not use the last names among
themselves until relatively recently.

Herschel is Ztvi in Hebrew, both mean stag. Fannie is English for Fagi
(probably short for Fayga in Yiddish, in Hebrew Zippora, both mean a bird.
(Women often did not have Hebrew names, just Yiddish ones). Bluma and
Dora's father was Abram Lazar-probably they were sisters.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: names from mourners book #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

The names in your mourners book are their Hebrew names with no last
names-Jews were traditionally known as 'Joe the son of Fred.' The
government assigned family names so that they could keep track of the
families (horror {;-)] ). So Jews did not use the last names among
themselves until relatively recently.

Herschel is Ztvi in Hebrew, both mean stag. Fannie is English for Fagi
(probably short for Fayga in Yiddish, in Hebrew Zippora, both mean a bird.
(Women often did not have Hebrew names, just Yiddish ones). Bluma and
Dora's father was Abram Lazar-probably they were sisters.


Books on Polish Jews #poland

Peter Jassem <jassep@...>
 

Books on Polish Jews
********************

To those who inquired about books on Jewish shtetls, people, life, culture,
history, and literature published in Poland (mostly in Polish language):

Write to

"Midrasz"
ul. Twarda 6
00-104 Warszawa
Poland

You can request a book cataloque of books published in Poland (about 200
titles) as well as books on the subject published outside of Poland (about
150 titles, mostly in English). You may also request subscription of
Jewish-Polish magazine "Midrasz".

Peter Jassem
jassep@tdbank.ca
Toronto ON


Re: How long we have to wait? #poland

garymaher@...
 

That's not really fair to the Poles. You may not know it, but similar
turnaround times are the rule for many States and other record
repositories in the US, as well as other countries. For several years,
my home state (NJ) refused to provide vital records for genealogical
purposes, due to budgetary and backlog concerns.

We should be thankful that these records are available to us at all.

Gary

On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:01:14 -0500 "JRI-Poland digest"
<jri-pl@lyris.jewishgen.org> writes:
I was in the Polish State Archives in Warsaw on July 4th, and gave
them $10 + the form >from JRI web site, duly filled out.
I haven't heard >from them since. Is this the standard
Polish way - to wait like 3 months or more?
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JRI Poland #Poland Books on Polish Jews #poland

Peter Jassem <jassep@...>
 

Books on Polish Jews
********************

To those who inquired about books on Jewish shtetls, people, life, culture,
history, and literature published in Poland (mostly in Polish language):

Write to

"Midrasz"
ul. Twarda 6
00-104 Warszawa
Poland

You can request a book cataloque of books published in Poland (about 200
titles) as well as books on the subject published outside of Poland (about
150 titles, mostly in English). You may also request subscription of
Jewish-Polish magazine "Midrasz".

Peter Jassem
jassep@tdbank.ca
Toronto ON


JRI Poland #Poland Re: How long we have to wait? #poland

garymaher@...
 

That's not really fair to the Poles. You may not know it, but similar
turnaround times are the rule for many States and other record
repositories in the US, as well as other countries. For several years,
my home state (NJ) refused to provide vital records for genealogical
purposes, due to budgetary and backlog concerns.

We should be thankful that these records are available to us at all.

Gary

On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:01:14 -0500 "JRI-Poland digest"
<jri-pl@lyris.jewishgen.org> writes:
I was in the Polish State Archives in Warsaw on July 4th, and gave
them $10 + the form >from JRI web site, duly filled out.
I haven't heard >from them since. Is this the standard
Polish way - to wait like 3 months or more?
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Re: How do I find info on a Rabbi? #general

Matt Singer <msinger@...>
 

It is my understanding that the honorific "reverend" was often given to
Jewish spiritual/congregational leaders who were not, however, officially
ordained rabbis (i.e., they did not receive "smicha"). There were very few
ordained rabbis in the U.S. prior to the late 19th century, when Hebrew
Union College (the Reform seminary) was founded, and the growing size and
prosperity of American congregations attracted ordained rabbis >from Europe.

Matt Singer
Philadelphia
msinger@philamuseum.org


Re: Palestine Gazette - name changes #general

Gary Mokotoff <mokotoff@...>
 

During the period of the British Mandate in Palestine (c1921-1948) people
who legally changed their name had this information posted in the
British/Palestinian publication called the "Palestine Gazette." Some 28,000
names were published showing the old name, new name and sometimes country
of origin. Not everyone legally changed their name, perhaps fewer than 50%
did so. Most of them were Jews. For example, the list does not include
Golda Meir or David Ben Gurion. The names were extracted by myself and the
late Rabbi Shmuel Gorr in the 1980s and published on microfiche by
Avotaynu. The database is of value to genealogists who know that realtives
went to Eretz Yisrael and changed their name but the new name is not known.

Gary Mokotoff


New Names - DECHTER, BOLTON #general

Carol Levie <clevie@...>
 

Fellow Genners:

I've recently learned that my ggm, Esther Chaya BECKER (married name
MOSKOWITZ; Odessa/Tiraspol -> NYC), had at least two sisters:

One sister, called "Bushe" (I don't know the "real" name), married a
DECHTER and had three children:

1. Myron (changed name to DEXTER)-- married Nicole (?), daughter
Michelle.

2. Martin -- married Helen (?), son Warren, daughter (?)

3. Anya (Anna) -- married (?)PANICH.

The other sister (first name unknown) married a BOLTON. Mr. Bolton (or
one of their children) may have worked for Martin Dechter in the garment
business in NYC.

If any of these names sound familiar, please contact me.

Thanks,

Carol Levie
Annandale, VA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: How do I find info on a Rabbi? #general

Matt Singer <msinger@...>
 

It is my understanding that the honorific "reverend" was often given to
Jewish spiritual/congregational leaders who were not, however, officially
ordained rabbis (i.e., they did not receive "smicha"). There were very few
ordained rabbis in the U.S. prior to the late 19th century, when Hebrew
Union College (the Reform seminary) was founded, and the growing size and
prosperity of American congregations attracted ordained rabbis >from Europe.

Matt Singer
Philadelphia
msinger@philamuseum.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Palestine Gazette - name changes #general

Gary Mokotoff <mokotoff@...>
 

During the period of the British Mandate in Palestine (c1921-1948) people
who legally changed their name had this information posted in the
British/Palestinian publication called the "Palestine Gazette." Some 28,000
names were published showing the old name, new name and sometimes country
of origin. Not everyone legally changed their name, perhaps fewer than 50%
did so. Most of them were Jews. For example, the list does not include
Golda Meir or David Ben Gurion. The names were extracted by myself and the
late Rabbi Shmuel Gorr in the 1980s and published on microfiche by
Avotaynu. The database is of value to genealogists who know that realtives
went to Eretz Yisrael and changed their name but the new name is not known.

Gary Mokotoff


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New Names - DECHTER, BOLTON #general

Carol Levie <clevie@...>
 

Fellow Genners:

I've recently learned that my ggm, Esther Chaya BECKER (married name
MOSKOWITZ; Odessa/Tiraspol -> NYC), had at least two sisters:

One sister, called "Bushe" (I don't know the "real" name), married a
DECHTER and had three children:

1. Myron (changed name to DEXTER)-- married Nicole (?), daughter
Michelle.

2. Martin -- married Helen (?), son Warren, daughter (?)

3. Anya (Anna) -- married (?)PANICH.

The other sister (first name unknown) married a BOLTON. Mr. Bolton (or
one of their children) may have worked for Martin Dechter in the garment
business in NYC.

If any of these names sound familiar, please contact me.

Thanks,

Carol Levie
Annandale, VA


Re: Exodus 47 #general

roberta_l_sheps@...
 

There's a very interesting recently published book called Surviving the
Holocaust with the Russian Jewish Partisans. One of its authors, Dov
Cohen, was a passenger on the Exodus 47 and the book contains a small
appendix with a history of the boat, and there's a chance that he might
have access to the passenger list. Cohen lives in Ramat Hasharon, but
I wouldn't suggest writing him directly. However, it is possible that
his publisher might be able to direct your query to him. The publisher
is Valentine Mitchell, Newbury House, 900 Eastern Avenue, London IG2
7HH England; website: http://www.vmbooks.com

I hope this is helpful.


Roberta Sheps
Colchester, England

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Re: Marriage customs in Poland #general

Rafi Guber
 

The answer to you question is very simple. Your acestors were not "living
in sin." In many places almost half of Jewish marriages were not registerd
with civil authorities, Here is where is is important to avoid applying
American cultural standards to our ancestors.

Not only were there good reasons to avoid having you name registered with
civil authories (examples can be found in both Galicia and Congress Poland
-avoiding harsh taxation, military service etc.) but civil marrriage was
most of the time considered a meaningless procedure by our ancestors.

Being married meant having a Jewish ceremony and proper witnesses. A
substantial number of these marriages were not recorded by civil
authorites. This is also why many children have birth records under their
mother's name as they were considered illegitimate in the eyes of the civil
authorities. By and large to the G-d fearing Jews were only interested in
whether or not a couple had a proper Jewish ceremony.

Rafi Guber


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Exodus 47 #general

roberta_l_sheps@...
 

There's a very interesting recently published book called Surviving the
Holocaust with the Russian Jewish Partisans. One of its authors, Dov
Cohen, was a passenger on the Exodus 47 and the book contains a small
appendix with a history of the boat, and there's a chance that he might
have access to the passenger list. Cohen lives in Ramat Hasharon, but
I wouldn't suggest writing him directly. However, it is possible that
his publisher might be able to direct your query to him. The publisher
is Valentine Mitchell, Newbury House, 900 Eastern Avenue, London IG2
7HH England; website: http://www.vmbooks.com

I hope this is helpful.


Roberta Sheps
Colchester, England

MODERATOR'S NOTE: This is a one time mention of a product.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Marriage customs in Poland #general

Rafi Guber
 

The answer to you question is very simple. Your acestors were not "living
in sin." In many places almost half of Jewish marriages were not registerd
with civil authorities, Here is where is is important to avoid applying
American cultural standards to our ancestors.

Not only were there good reasons to avoid having you name registered with
civil authories (examples can be found in both Galicia and Congress Poland
-avoiding harsh taxation, military service etc.) but civil marrriage was
most of the time considered a meaningless procedure by our ancestors.

Being married meant having a Jewish ceremony and proper witnesses. A
substantial number of these marriages were not recorded by civil
authorites. This is also why many children have birth records under their
mother's name as they were considered illegitimate in the eyes of the civil
authorities. By and large to the G-d fearing Jews were only interested in
whether or not a couple had a proper Jewish ceremony.

Rafi Guber


Re: Enumeration Districts and Soundex #general

Hilary Henkin <propper@...>
 

If you will not be going to a NARA branch (which will have these
on the work tables), your FHC does not have a copy, or if you
just want to have the information always available, I'd recommend
you purchase a catalogue published by NARA, called,(of course),
"The 1920 Federal Population Census (1992), 96 pp." It has two
sections. The first lists all the states, and the corresponding
microfilm rolls, according to Soundex code. The second lists all
the microfilm numbers for the Census itself, by state, county,
and ED. It's only about $4-5.00 - a purchase well worth it.
And yes, there are also books for the 1900 and 1910 Censuses.

BTW, they also publish a catalogue called "Immigrant & Passenger
Arrivals: A Select Catalog of National Archives Microfilm
Publications", comp. by Constance Potter (1983) (rev. 1991),183
pp. I have found this catalogue invaluable time after time. It
lists EVERY microfilm roll number of every port, every Passenger
list index, Passenger List, St. Albans' indexes and list, and
Detroit Border Manifest lists, etc. It also includes volume
numbers for each Passenger List roll.
For those Index cards with a volume instead of a date listed, it
has enabled me to assign the correct date, and narrow down my
list of names I'd be researching. The cost is about the same as
the Census book.

A complete list of the catalogues available is online at
http://www.nara.gov/publications/microcat.html

Happy Searching!
Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia USA
Researching BERLIN >from Mogilev, HENKIN/GENKIN, KATZ from
Ekatrinaslav, LAPIDUS, LAVROTIN/LAVRUTIN, PESACHINSKY, RINCOVER,
POLLACK/POLLOCK, SREBERG/SCHRIEBER,SHIMERNITSKY, STEINHART and
variations, SCHATZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Enumeration Districts and Soundex #general

Hilary Henkin <propper@...>
 

If you will not be going to a NARA branch (which will have these
on the work tables), your FHC does not have a copy, or if you
just want to have the information always available, I'd recommend
you purchase a catalogue published by NARA, called,(of course),
"The 1920 Federal Population Census (1992), 96 pp." It has two
sections. The first lists all the states, and the corresponding
microfilm rolls, according to Soundex code. The second lists all
the microfilm numbers for the Census itself, by state, county,
and ED. It's only about $4-5.00 - a purchase well worth it.
And yes, there are also books for the 1900 and 1910 Censuses.

BTW, they also publish a catalogue called "Immigrant & Passenger
Arrivals: A Select Catalog of National Archives Microfilm
Publications", comp. by Constance Potter (1983) (rev. 1991),183
pp. I have found this catalogue invaluable time after time. It
lists EVERY microfilm roll number of every port, every Passenger
list index, Passenger List, St. Albans' indexes and list, and
Detroit Border Manifest lists, etc. It also includes volume
numbers for each Passenger List roll.
For those Index cards with a volume instead of a date listed, it
has enabled me to assign the correct date, and narrow down my
list of names I'd be researching. The cost is about the same as
the Census book.

A complete list of the catalogues available is online at
http://www.nara.gov/publications/microcat.html

Happy Searching!
Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia USA
Researching BERLIN >from Mogilev, HENKIN/GENKIN, KATZ from
Ekatrinaslav, LAPIDUS, LAVROTIN/LAVRUTIN, PESACHINSKY, RINCOVER,
POLLACK/POLLOCK, SREBERG/SCHRIEBER,SHIMERNITSKY, STEINHART and
variations, SCHATZ


Re: EZRA family of Johannesburg, South Africa #southafrica

Sally Morton <sa.morton@...>
 

I wonder if the name Yona suggests a link with Yonava (modern Jonava) also
near Kovno?

Sally Morton Sevenoaks, Kent UK sa.morton@virgin.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeanne Swack [mailto:jswack@facstaff.wisc.edu]
Sent: 28 September 1999 01:52
To: South Africa SIG
Subject: Re: EZRA family of Johannesburg, South Africa


Hi! I am new to this group. My mother's father, Israel Spiers (actually
named Yona) was born in London and moved to Capetown when he was 6 months
old. His mother's name was Sara Bass and his father's name was Abraham
Spiers. They had come >from Alexotas, Lithuania. Evidently Spiers was not
their name before they went to London. There are evidently a lot of Bass
family members left in SA, and possibly some Spiers and at least one person
named Leggum. If any of this rings a bell with anyone, please let me know.
My grandfather attended a very old Jewish school in Capetown that is still
evidently in existence. Alexotas (Elixot in Yiddish) is on the outskirts
of Kovno (Kaunas) and is in the Suwalki gubernia. Thanks, Jeanne Swack
-
Jeanne Swack
Associate Professor of Musicology
Center for Jewish Studies
University of Wisconsin
(608) 263-1969 (office)
(608) 233-8923 (home)
(608) 262-8876 (fax)

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Death Certificates & Press, Asherson, Coplans, Kirsch #southafrica

Sally Morton <sa.morton@...>
 

Please can someone give me instructions for myself >from the UK or for
relatives that I have contact with in South Africa as to exactly how to
obtain death certificates in the easiest manner. Can this be done
personally? Are there researchers out there as in the UK that I could
employ?

This is because, >from family records, I have the exact dates of death for my
gt-gt-grandparents Nehemiah (27 Sep 1896) and Ulrica (21 Oct 1898) PRESS who
emigrated to South Africa (probably Cape Town) probably in the early 1890s
from Canterbury, Kent England after arriving in London >from Jonava,
Lithuania probably in the mid 1870s.

I would like to contact anyone with knowledge of PRESS families that could
link with the above couple and their sons Hyman, of whom I know nothing, and
Koppel who went to Johanessburg.

I am also interested in their daughter Rebecca PRESS (1876 Russia - 1918
Calvinia) who emigrated >from England and married 1893 in Cape Town to Isaac
ASHERSON (b. Kovno Lithuania). I know a fair amount about them and their
descendants but would welcome more and connections.

Similarly Nehemiah's granddaughter Leah Bertha COPLANS (1877 London-1961
Cape Town) who married 1899 in Cape Town to Isadore KIRSCH a Tailor (b.
Poland d. 1944). They were joined by several COPLANS relatives >from England
some of whose families I have lost touch with and would like to find.

Sally Morton Sevenoaks, Kent UK sa.morton@virgin.net