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message from the road #hungary

Rakoff125
 

hi friends
a report >from Kosice.......Viv Kahn just left for Michalovce and I
tried my luck at the cemetery...compared to Budapest aka the jungle,
this one is easy. Not. The bad news is there is a serious confusion
about where plots are even though the online list makes it sound
orderly. With great difficulty the Rabbi?s office here was able to find?
only 2 of the many names I had in a plotted location. Even then it was?
a matter of reading the names around the desired stone to orient?
oneself. brush up on your Hebrew for the old cemeteries....and take the?
superb advice of Bobbi Furst....workgloves, long workshirt, heavy shoes?
and socks and pants and I would add a walking stick or use the tripod,?
as I did, to test the weeds ahead for sunken in spots which are?
frequent.

The good news is that there was a crew there today with weed wackers?
working their way up the hill of the cemetery clearing out the?
vegetation.

Other very important news...the state archive apparantly only has the?
same Jewish films for this area as are available >from the FHL...very?
frustrating. The city archive, which has the Jewish documents, which?
even the Rabbi did not know, was very uptight about acknowledging them,?
much less letting them be seen. Fortunately I had printed out the list?
of the contents of the archive >from the kosice.sk site and had my?
guide-translator show them we understood these documents were available.

The director said they are what is called unsorted files which means?
they can be with held, if I understand this correctly, until they are?
sorted as there is no way otherwise to know if something is missing?
when a researcher looks at the material. He reluctantly allowed me to?
see one box of documents >from 1900 , hey a Furst and an Auslander?
wedding, I took notes...when I found a potential kin and asked for?
copies the song and dance took 2 hours and about 3USD a page to get?
the quote unofficial unquote copy. Very tense, do not go there without?
consulting experienced guide, Rabbi, Viv or me.

Rabbi here is collecting items for what he hopes will be future?
memorial in renovated Temple...so I gave him some pictures and copies?
of letters >from survivors in family in 1945 and1948.

more some other time.......Sunday I will meet Gabi Svatos in?
Bratislava........
shalom,
Linda Rakoff
Newton MA USA
now a road traveler in Slovakia


Hungary SIG #Hungary message from the road #hungary

Rakoff125
 

hi friends
a report >from Kosice.......Viv Kahn just left for Michalovce and I
tried my luck at the cemetery...compared to Budapest aka the jungle,
this one is easy. Not. The bad news is there is a serious confusion
about where plots are even though the online list makes it sound
orderly. With great difficulty the Rabbi?s office here was able to find?
only 2 of the many names I had in a plotted location. Even then it was?
a matter of reading the names around the desired stone to orient?
oneself. brush up on your Hebrew for the old cemeteries....and take the?
superb advice of Bobbi Furst....workgloves, long workshirt, heavy shoes?
and socks and pants and I would add a walking stick or use the tripod,?
as I did, to test the weeds ahead for sunken in spots which are?
frequent.

The good news is that there was a crew there today with weed wackers?
working their way up the hill of the cemetery clearing out the?
vegetation.

Other very important news...the state archive apparantly only has the?
same Jewish films for this area as are available >from the FHL...very?
frustrating. The city archive, which has the Jewish documents, which?
even the Rabbi did not know, was very uptight about acknowledging them,?
much less letting them be seen. Fortunately I had printed out the list?
of the contents of the archive >from the kosice.sk site and had my?
guide-translator show them we understood these documents were available.

The director said they are what is called unsorted files which means?
they can be with held, if I understand this correctly, until they are?
sorted as there is no way otherwise to know if something is missing?
when a researcher looks at the material. He reluctantly allowed me to?
see one box of documents >from 1900 , hey a Furst and an Auslander?
wedding, I took notes...when I found a potential kin and asked for?
copies the song and dance took 2 hours and about 3USD a page to get?
the quote unofficial unquote copy. Very tense, do not go there without?
consulting experienced guide, Rabbi, Viv or me.

Rabbi here is collecting items for what he hopes will be future?
memorial in renovated Temple...so I gave him some pictures and copies?
of letters >from survivors in family in 1945 and1948.

more some other time.......Sunday I will meet Gabi Svatos in?
Bratislava........
shalom,
Linda Rakoff
Newton MA USA
now a road traveler in Slovakia


Re: Nafteli #hungary

Miriam.Rubin@...
 

I do not know of the name Nafteli. However the name 'Naftali' is of
Biblical origin,
he was one of the sons of Jacob and Leah.
It can be pronounced: Naftali , Naftuhlee, etc.
The nicknames can be: Tully, Naftul-che, etc.

Russian and French equivalents of this name may be 'Anatoly' or 'Anatole',
respectively.
Regarding English, or German names, that was totally up to the ideas of
the parents.
Sometimes, a secular name would be chosen whose first letter matched the
sound of the
Hebrew name. So therefore, anything starting with an 'N' (or even not) is
possible

Since Jacob's son, Naftali, was likened to a deer in Jacob's blessings,
sometimes the name
'Tzvi' (deer in Hebrew) or 'Hersh' (deer in Yiddish) was added.

Miriam Rubin
New York

Bobby Jacobs <bobj2361@acninc.net>
08/16/2005 09:26 PM
Please respond to "H-SIG"

To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
cc:
Subject: [h-sig] Nafteli

Nafteli is the first name of several members of my family. I assume this
is a German name, but I'm not sure. Any idea what the American name for
this would be?


========================================================================Bobby

and Howard Jacobs


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Nafteli #hungary

Miriam.Rubin@...
 

I do not know of the name Nafteli. However the name 'Naftali' is of
Biblical origin,
he was one of the sons of Jacob and Leah.
It can be pronounced: Naftali , Naftuhlee, etc.
The nicknames can be: Tully, Naftul-che, etc.

Russian and French equivalents of this name may be 'Anatoly' or 'Anatole',
respectively.
Regarding English, or German names, that was totally up to the ideas of
the parents.
Sometimes, a secular name would be chosen whose first letter matched the
sound of the
Hebrew name. So therefore, anything starting with an 'N' (or even not) is
possible

Since Jacob's son, Naftali, was likened to a deer in Jacob's blessings,
sometimes the name
'Tzvi' (deer in Hebrew) or 'Hersh' (deer in Yiddish) was added.

Miriam Rubin
New York

Bobby Jacobs <bobj2361@acninc.net>
08/16/2005 09:26 PM
Please respond to "H-SIG"

To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
cc:
Subject: [h-sig] Nafteli

Nafteli is the first name of several members of my family. I assume this
is a German name, but I'm not sure. Any idea what the American name for
this would be?


========================================================================Bobby

and Howard Jacobs


Re: Nafteli #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

the name is >from the bible (gen. 30:7-8: "And Bilhah Rachel's handmaid conceived again, and bore Jacob a second son. And Rachel said: 'With mighty wrestlings have I wrestled with my sister, and have prevailed.' And she called his name Naphtali.").

but it would help to know the time and place. most of my family had hungarian names that were quite different >from their hebrew names, probably starting at around the time of the emancipation. so the birth records might provide some clues. otherwise, there is no way to guess what name they might have used, except that it might have been something with a similar sound, like "nat" or "phil". but it could just as easily have been "abe" or "zoltan".


....... tom klein, toronto

Bobby Jacobs <bobj2361@acninc.net> wrote:

Nafteli is the first name of several members of my family. I assume this
is a German name, but I'm not sure. Any idea what the American name for
this would be?


A GUIDE TO JEWISH GENEALOGY IN LITHUANIA #southafrica

Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Great Britain announces

A GUIDE TO JEWISH GENEALOGY IN LITHUANIA

ISBN: 0-9537669-8-5 (140 pages p/b)

By: SAM AARON

"Genealogical research in Lithuania is often difficult because so many of
the old records >from Czarist times (1794 to 1917) were lost or destroyed.
Here is a practical guide that will tell you what types of records there
were, which have survived for each of the three provinces that Lithuania was
divided into, how to access them, and what information you can expect to
find.

Archives often take a long time to reply to researchers because of the large
number of enquiries they receive. The guide describes the large amount of
information that can be directly accessed in on-line databases, or in
databases which are made available by e-mail to subscribers, and provides an
up-to-date list of all these resources, and should help you make quicker
progress with your researches.

For beginners, the Guide explains how to identify your ancestral shtetl (the
small town in which Jews were obliged to live), how to start off your
research, and eventually find information on your ancestors. Included are
also suggestions as to where you can look for clues to your ancestors in UK,
USA, Israeli and South African records. The latter section should be useful
also to those researching their roots in Eastern European countries other
than Lithuania". The Guide includes a full list of original town names with
their current equivalents, and a map showing the location of approximately
150 of these.

Price: £5.95 plus postage (UK 80p, Europe £2.00, rest of world £3.00.This is
$16 at current exchange rates].

Orders to:

JGSGB Publications
PO Box 180
St. Albans
Herts AL2 3WH
United Kingdom

Publications@jgsgb.org.uk

www.jgsgb.org.uk

Payment by cheques with orders payable to 'Jewish Genealogical Society of
Great
Britain' or credit card giving:
Name as shown on card, Card number, Expiry date
Address where guide to be sent and if possible e-mail address in case of any
queries.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Nafteli #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

the name is >from the bible (gen. 30:7-8: "And Bilhah Rachel's handmaid conceived again, and bore Jacob a second son. And Rachel said: 'With mighty wrestlings have I wrestled with my sister, and have prevailed.' And she called his name Naphtali.").

but it would help to know the time and place. most of my family had hungarian names that were quite different >from their hebrew names, probably starting at around the time of the emancipation. so the birth records might provide some clues. otherwise, there is no way to guess what name they might have used, except that it might have been something with a similar sound, like "nat" or "phil". but it could just as easily have been "abe" or "zoltan".


....... tom klein, toronto

Bobby Jacobs <bobj2361@acninc.net> wrote:

Nafteli is the first name of several members of my family. I assume this
is a German name, but I'm not sure. Any idea what the American name for
this would be?


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica A GUIDE TO JEWISH GENEALOGY IN LITHUANIA #southafrica

Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Great Britain announces

A GUIDE TO JEWISH GENEALOGY IN LITHUANIA

ISBN: 0-9537669-8-5 (140 pages p/b)

By: SAM AARON

"Genealogical research in Lithuania is often difficult because so many of
the old records >from Czarist times (1794 to 1917) were lost or destroyed.
Here is a practical guide that will tell you what types of records there
were, which have survived for each of the three provinces that Lithuania was
divided into, how to access them, and what information you can expect to
find.

Archives often take a long time to reply to researchers because of the large
number of enquiries they receive. The guide describes the large amount of
information that can be directly accessed in on-line databases, or in
databases which are made available by e-mail to subscribers, and provides an
up-to-date list of all these resources, and should help you make quicker
progress with your researches.

For beginners, the Guide explains how to identify your ancestral shtetl (the
small town in which Jews were obliged to live), how to start off your
research, and eventually find information on your ancestors. Included are
also suggestions as to where you can look for clues to your ancestors in UK,
USA, Israeli and South African records. The latter section should be useful
also to those researching their roots in Eastern European countries other
than Lithuania". The Guide includes a full list of original town names with
their current equivalents, and a map showing the location of approximately
150 of these.

Price: £5.95 plus postage (UK 80p, Europe £2.00, rest of world £3.00.This is
$16 at current exchange rates].

Orders to:

JGSGB Publications
PO Box 180
St. Albans
Herts AL2 3WH
United Kingdom

Publications@jgsgb.org.uk

www.jgsgb.org.uk

Payment by cheques with orders payable to 'Jewish Genealogical Society of
Great
Britain' or credit card giving:
Name as shown on card, Card number, Expiry date
Address where guide to be sent and if possible e-mail address in case of any
queries.


Re: Nafteli #hungary

Moshe & Esther Davis <davis@...>
 

Nafteli is the first name of several members of my family. I assume
this is a German name, but I'm not sure. Any idea what the American
name for this would be?
Naftali is a common Hebrew given name. The source of the name
is biblical (Genesis 30:8), being the name of one of the twelve sons
of Jacob (Israel) - one of the twelve tribes of Israel.

In terms of Americanizations of Hebrew names, especially in earlier
generations - there are no immutable rules. Often an English name
which started with the same consonant was used. In the present
instance, names like "Norman" or "Nathan" might have been used.
Then again, many times there is seemingly no correlation
whatsoever between a chosen English name and the original
Hebrew or Yiddish given name. Sometimes, the degree to which
the family was traditional is a factor.

Hope this helps,

Moshe Davis
Jerusalem


NY State Record Access #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Does anyone have any ideas on how I can get around NY State rules and
get some information an a former resident at the Rome State School? I
tried the front door ? i.e. writing to the Central New York
Developmental Services Office ? and they are refusing me any
information.

I know that one of the family members ? Gussie Cohen ? was born in the
1890s and she was sent away in the 1920s to a home because she was
developmentally disabled. When I searched the 1930 Census I found a
Gussie Cohen about the right age listed as being at Rome State School.

Over a year ago I wrote to them asking if they could confirm if the
Gussie Cohen at the school in 1930 was the daughter of Goodman and
Jennie Cohen and if so could they tell me if she had died at the school
or if left the school at some point after 1930. It took them a year to
write me back and ask for more information. I replied with copies of
her birth certificate, explaining her relationship and the interest in
knowing what happened to her. It took months and they wrote back and
said NY State law forbid them >from releasing medical information. I
wrote back and said I did not want medical information and they came
right back to me saying no because of NY law.

So am I totally out of luck? Any other way to get information if the
State refuses me everything?

Thanks for any thoughts/experience anyone else can suggest.

Allan Jordan


Piotrkow and Radom Gubernia #general

TE <tome1111@...>
 

Would anyone happen to have a list of all the towns in
Piotrkow Gubernia,Radom Gubernia, and Lodz Gubernia prior to 1920.

Thanks,
Tom Erribe
CA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Nafteli #hungary

Moshe & Esther Davis <davis@...>
 

Nafteli is the first name of several members of my family. I assume
this is a German name, but I'm not sure. Any idea what the American
name for this would be?
Naftali is a common Hebrew given name. The source of the name
is biblical (Genesis 30:8), being the name of one of the twelve sons
of Jacob (Israel) - one of the twelve tribes of Israel.

In terms of Americanizations of Hebrew names, especially in earlier
generations - there are no immutable rules. Often an English name
which started with the same consonant was used. In the present
instance, names like "Norman" or "Nathan" might have been used.
Then again, many times there is seemingly no correlation
whatsoever between a chosen English name and the original
Hebrew or Yiddish given name. Sometimes, the degree to which
the family was traditional is a factor.

Hope this helps,

Moshe Davis
Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NY State Record Access #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Does anyone have any ideas on how I can get around NY State rules and
get some information an a former resident at the Rome State School? I
tried the front door ? i.e. writing to the Central New York
Developmental Services Office ? and they are refusing me any
information.

I know that one of the family members ? Gussie Cohen ? was born in the
1890s and she was sent away in the 1920s to a home because she was
developmentally disabled. When I searched the 1930 Census I found a
Gussie Cohen about the right age listed as being at Rome State School.

Over a year ago I wrote to them asking if they could confirm if the
Gussie Cohen at the school in 1930 was the daughter of Goodman and
Jennie Cohen and if so could they tell me if she had died at the school
or if left the school at some point after 1930. It took them a year to
write me back and ask for more information. I replied with copies of
her birth certificate, explaining her relationship and the interest in
knowing what happened to her. It took months and they wrote back and
said NY State law forbid them >from releasing medical information. I
wrote back and said I did not want medical information and they came
right back to me saying no because of NY law.

So am I totally out of luck? Any other way to get information if the
State refuses me everything?

Thanks for any thoughts/experience anyone else can suggest.

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Piotrkow and Radom Gubernia #general

TE <tome1111@...>
 

Would anyone happen to have a list of all the towns in
Piotrkow Gubernia,Radom Gubernia, and Lodz Gubernia prior to 1920.

Thanks,
Tom Erribe
CA


Lachowicze/ Lyakhovichi #belarus

Krystyna Duszniak <losthistories@...>
 

I wonder if anyone can help with suggestions about where to locate Jewish
birth records >from the 1920s >from Lachowicze, today Lyakhovichi in the
Baranowicze region. I imagine they are in the local town hall archives
(ZAGS office) but am having enormous difficulty locating a number or
address for them.
Any assistance would be very much appreciated.

regards,

Krystyna Duszniak
Lost Histories
409 Inkerman Street
East St Kilda Victoria 3183
Australia
ph./fax +613 95072552
losthistories@optusnet.com.au
www.losthistories.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Lachowicze/ Lyakhovichi #belarus

Krystyna Duszniak <losthistories@...>
 

I wonder if anyone can help with suggestions about where to locate Jewish
birth records >from the 1920s >from Lachowicze, today Lyakhovichi in the
Baranowicze region. I imagine they are in the local town hall archives
(ZAGS office) but am having enormous difficulty locating a number or
address for them.
Any assistance would be very much appreciated.

regards,

Krystyna Duszniak
Lost Histories
409 Inkerman Street
East St Kilda Victoria 3183
Australia
ph./fax +613 95072552
losthistories@optusnet.com.au
www.losthistories.com


the given name Naftel or Naftalij #latvia

Susan Meehan <smeehan@...>
 

I've been researching information on my grandfather, known to the
family as John BERGMAN, born in Riga, 1867. Under the Riga Tax
Administration List of JewishGen, I have found what certainly are his
parents and brothers and sisters. There is a name, Naftel or Naftalij
BERGMANN, which in every respect other than the first name corresponds
to my grandfather; I believe this person is, in fact, my grandfather.
I always assumed that my grandfather changed his first name to be more
American, just as he took off the final N on our last name. But I can
find no name of Naftel or Naftalij in JewishGen's given name finder.
Is it a Yiddish-Latvian variant? I know we're working with translating
from Cyrillic into Roman letters, and that accounts for some
strangenesses within this list, of course. But I am stumped with this
interesting first name.
Any suggestions you may have would be appreciated!

Susan Bergman Meehan
Washington, DC


I found the origin of Naftali - won't need the group's help! #latvia

Susan Meehan <smeehan@...>
 

Thanks to a second review of how the JewishGen Given name finder works,
I found the meaning of my grandfather's apparent given name, Naftali
and don't need to trouble other members of the Discussion forum with
this question. It sure doesn't sound like John - which I guess we can
call his Immigration Name!

Thanks very much

Susan Bergman Meehan
Washington, DC


Latvia SIG #Latvia the given name Naftel or Naftalij #latvia

Susan Meehan <smeehan@...>
 

I've been researching information on my grandfather, known to the
family as John BERGMAN, born in Riga, 1867. Under the Riga Tax
Administration List of JewishGen, I have found what certainly are his
parents and brothers and sisters. There is a name, Naftel or Naftalij
BERGMANN, which in every respect other than the first name corresponds
to my grandfather; I believe this person is, in fact, my grandfather.
I always assumed that my grandfather changed his first name to be more
American, just as he took off the final N on our last name. But I can
find no name of Naftel or Naftalij in JewishGen's given name finder.
Is it a Yiddish-Latvian variant? I know we're working with translating
from Cyrillic into Roman letters, and that accounts for some
strangenesses within this list, of course. But I am stumped with this
interesting first name.
Any suggestions you may have would be appreciated!

Susan Bergman Meehan
Washington, DC


Latvia SIG #Latvia I found the origin of Naftali - won't need the group's help! #latvia

Susan Meehan <smeehan@...>
 

Thanks to a second review of how the JewishGen Given name finder works,
I found the meaning of my grandfather's apparent given name, Naftali
and don't need to trouble other members of the Discussion forum with
this question. It sure doesn't sound like John - which I guess we can
call his Immigration Name!

Thanks very much

Susan Bergman Meehan
Washington, DC