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Re: BLIOKH v. BLOCH #general

dorota <dorota@...>
 

I am searching for Osher BLOCH in Gargzdai, Lithuania. He probably lived
his whole life there and was in his late 50's or 60's when he died there in
late 1906 (possibly early 1907). In the jewishgen database for that town,
there is an Osher David BLIOKH, age 47 in 1885. Are Bliokh and Bloch spellings
used to transliterate the same name, so that these could be the same person?
Sharon,
It seems probable that this is the same name. BLOCH is rather the original
spelling and BLIOKH is the Russian "derivative".
Interestingly, near Wyszkow (Poland), where are live, there is a small
village called BLOCHY and half of the population has the surname BLOCH.
dorota boniecka


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: BLIOKH v. BLOCH #general

dorota <dorota@...>
 

I am searching for Osher BLOCH in Gargzdai, Lithuania. He probably lived
his whole life there and was in his late 50's or 60's when he died there in
late 1906 (possibly early 1907). In the jewishgen database for that town,
there is an Osher David BLIOKH, age 47 in 1885. Are Bliokh and Bloch spellings
used to transliterate the same name, so that these could be the same person?
Sharon,
It seems probable that this is the same name. BLOCH is rather the original
spelling and BLIOKH is the Russian "derivative".
Interestingly, near Wyszkow (Poland), where are live, there is a small
village called BLOCHY and half of the population has the surname BLOCH.
dorota boniecka


Re: BLIOKH v. BLOCH #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 22:36:21 UTC, s.r.korn@sbcglobal.net (Sharon R.
Korn) opined:

I am searching for Osher BLOCH in Gargzdai, Lithuania. He probably lived
his whole life there and was in his late 50's or 60's when he died there in
late 1906 (possibly early 1907). In the jewishgen database for that town,
there is an Osher David BLIOKH, age 47 in 1885. Are Bliokh and Bloch spellings
used to transliterate the same name, so that these could be the same person?
Thank you.

Sharon Block Korn
San Diego
The "I" that is confusing you is a consequence of a "soft sign"
following the "L" in the Russian. This character has no sound of its
own, but only modifies the sound of the "L". Another transliterator
might well have ignored it, sparing you the confusion. There is no
independent surname "Blioch" separate >from "Bloch". It's the same
name.
--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the
URL is: http://www.hashkedim.com

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there.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: BLIOKH v. BLOCH #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 22:36:21 UTC, s.r.korn@sbcglobal.net (Sharon R.
Korn) opined:

I am searching for Osher BLOCH in Gargzdai, Lithuania. He probably lived
his whole life there and was in his late 50's or 60's when he died there in
late 1906 (possibly early 1907). In the jewishgen database for that town,
there is an Osher David BLIOKH, age 47 in 1885. Are Bliokh and Bloch spellings
used to transliterate the same name, so that these could be the same person?
Thank you.

Sharon Block Korn
San Diego
The "I" that is confusing you is a consequence of a "soft sign"
following the "L" in the Russian. This character has no sound of its
own, but only modifies the sound of the "L". Another transliterator
might well have ignored it, sparing you the confusion. There is no
independent surname "Blioch" separate >from "Bloch". It's the same
name.
--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the
URL is: http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address
is not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the
URL above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.


Re: Rabbi and wife buried separately? Why #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

In many Orthodox cemeteries it was the practice to bury women and men on
separate sides of the cemetery. Here in Israel the practice does not exist.
My theory, unconfirmed, is that there were so many second and even third
marriages due to widowhood and divorce, that it was hard to know next to
which spouse to bury the dead. For example, one of my aunts is buried under
her third husband's name on one side of the cemetery and her second husband
is buried on the other side. A non-family member would have no idea that
there was any connection between the two.
Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

----Original Message-----
From: Howie Axelrod [mailto:highwind1@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:23 AM
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Subject: Rabbi and wife buried separately? Why

My GGM was married to an Orthodox Rabbi who was a pillar of the
Scranton , PA religious community for 22 years. He died in 1931. His
wife of 35+ years was killed in an auto accident 7 years earlier in
1924.

In looking for gravestones, we have found only the wife (so far). She
is in her own grave, which surprised me.

What is the Orthodox practice of burial in such a situation? Is there
a religious reason for an Orthodox Rabbi and a wife that pre-deceased
him to be burried separately?

Note, the wife is buried near her grandchilden who pre-deceased her
diying at <1year and age 8 respectively.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Rabbi and wife buried separately? Why #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

In many Orthodox cemeteries it was the practice to bury women and men on
separate sides of the cemetery. Here in Israel the practice does not exist.
My theory, unconfirmed, is that there were so many second and even third
marriages due to widowhood and divorce, that it was hard to know next to
which spouse to bury the dead. For example, one of my aunts is buried under
her third husband's name on one side of the cemetery and her second husband
is buried on the other side. A non-family member would have no idea that
there was any connection between the two.
Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

----Original Message-----
From: Howie Axelrod [mailto:highwind1@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 2:23 AM
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Subject: Rabbi and wife buried separately? Why

My GGM was married to an Orthodox Rabbi who was a pillar of the
Scranton , PA religious community for 22 years. He died in 1931. His
wife of 35+ years was killed in an auto accident 7 years earlier in
1924.

In looking for gravestones, we have found only the wife (so far). She
is in her own grave, which surprised me.

What is the Orthodox practice of burial in such a situation? Is there
a religious reason for an Orthodox Rabbi and a wife that pre-deceased
him to be burried separately?

Note, the wife is buried near her grandchilden who pre-deceased her
diying at <1year and age 8 respectively.


FISHBEIN-COHEN-WEINER Kiev, Ahusas Nacklo Burial Society #general

Sweissmusic@...
 

I am seeking information regarding Israel Fishbein and Maria Cohen, parents
of Jacob Fishbein, my grandfather, who emigrated to New York City in 1904 and
married my grandmother, Gittel Zlobin shortly after emigration. A cousin
named Hilton Weiner was also born in Peryoslav in 1897 and emigrate to New York.
The burial society Ahusas Nacklo purchased an area >from Baron Hirsch
cemetery in Staten Island, NY and I am also having
difficulty finding out about that organization.
Thanks, Stephen Weiss, Mobile AL USA


Re: Best approach to determining port of entry to US #general

Shari Kantrow
 

Hi All,
On 2 Sep 2005, Stan Goodman, stated:
"Censuses, of course, can be tricky, because the
information is the unsubstantiated word of the interviewee.
...
You can tell an enumerator anything, and he will write it
down; that's the nature of censuses. Census data needs to be
confirmed by an independent source of the same information."

He is absolutely right. My g-grandfather listed on his
1920 census that he was naturalized. I sent for the
papers, but it was the wrong Benjamin BLITZER-this one
from Austria, not Russia, and totally different family
members. I tried the Bronx Naturalizations after
getting nowhere with the Superior Court, and the
worker there informed me that he had no records for
Benjamin or Beny BLITZER and that in most likelihood,
my Beny simply told the census taker what he thought
he would like to hear, and was never actually
naturalized. The Superior Court sent me very detailed
papers that I do not need of a person I do not know,
however the Bronx Court was kind enough to tell me
they would not waste my money by repeating the same
mistake and kindly sent me a complete refund.

Now that hindsight is 20/20, I do remember from
stories I was told, his son being the first in the
family to get his papers many years after Beny had
died. It goes to show not to believe everything you
read.
Shari Kantrow
Bloomfield, NJ


researching:
MEYER, KAFKA, KUPFER, SCHAFF -Russian/Poland>NY
BLITZER,KARPET,JACOBSON,LANDSMAN, BLITZMAN,BLAZER
PLATZMAN, REYITTS (REIZ)Kamenets-Podolskiy, Podolia >NY
HABERMAN,DICKMAN,SZWARZ- Bukaczowce,Siemikowce>NY
SCHNEIDER, MILBAUER, MEYER - Austria
SCHWARTZ,,SHAPIRO- Bursztyn,Kuropatniki-Galicia>NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FISHBEIN-COHEN-WEINER Kiev, Ahusas Nacklo Burial Society #general

Sweissmusic@...
 

I am seeking information regarding Israel Fishbein and Maria Cohen, parents
of Jacob Fishbein, my grandfather, who emigrated to New York City in 1904 and
married my grandmother, Gittel Zlobin shortly after emigration. A cousin
named Hilton Weiner was also born in Peryoslav in 1897 and emigrate to New York.
The burial society Ahusas Nacklo purchased an area >from Baron Hirsch
cemetery in Staten Island, NY and I am also having
difficulty finding out about that organization.
Thanks, Stephen Weiss, Mobile AL USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Best approach to determining port of entry to US #general

Shari Kantrow
 

Hi All,
On 2 Sep 2005, Stan Goodman, stated:
"Censuses, of course, can be tricky, because the
information is the unsubstantiated word of the interviewee.
...
You can tell an enumerator anything, and he will write it
down; that's the nature of censuses. Census data needs to be
confirmed by an independent source of the same information."

He is absolutely right. My g-grandfather listed on his
1920 census that he was naturalized. I sent for the
papers, but it was the wrong Benjamin BLITZER-this one
from Austria, not Russia, and totally different family
members. I tried the Bronx Naturalizations after
getting nowhere with the Superior Court, and the
worker there informed me that he had no records for
Benjamin or Beny BLITZER and that in most likelihood,
my Beny simply told the census taker what he thought
he would like to hear, and was never actually
naturalized. The Superior Court sent me very detailed
papers that I do not need of a person I do not know,
however the Bronx Court was kind enough to tell me
they would not waste my money by repeating the same
mistake and kindly sent me a complete refund.

Now that hindsight is 20/20, I do remember from
stories I was told, his son being the first in the
family to get his papers many years after Beny had
died. It goes to show not to believe everything you
read.
Shari Kantrow
Bloomfield, NJ


researching:
MEYER, KAFKA, KUPFER, SCHAFF -Russian/Poland>NY
BLITZER,KARPET,JACOBSON,LANDSMAN, BLITZMAN,BLAZER
PLATZMAN, REYITTS (REIZ)Kamenets-Podolskiy, Podolia >NY
HABERMAN,DICKMAN,SZWARZ- Bukaczowce,Siemikowce>NY
SCHNEIDER, MILBAUER, MEYER - Austria
SCHWARTZ,,SHAPIRO- Bursztyn,Kuropatniki-Galicia>NY


Russian town, Viewmate, VM6809 #general

wrosenz@...
 

Hi Genners,
Viewmate, VM6809 is a portion of my wife's grandfather's discharge paper >from
the First World War. Does anyone recognize the Russian town that is listed
as his place of birth? It is listed on the left under his name, William
Rosenzweig. His daughter says he was born in Odessa but this is clearly not
Odessa and I cannot relate it to any Russian town or village.

The Viewmate address is http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

Please address responses to: wrosenz@aol.com

Thanks in advance,
Bill Rosenzweig
Exton, PA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Russian town, Viewmate, VM6809 #general

wrosenz@...
 

Hi Genners,
Viewmate, VM6809 is a portion of my wife's grandfather's discharge paper >from
the First World War. Does anyone recognize the Russian town that is listed
as his place of birth? It is listed on the left under his name, William
Rosenzweig. His daughter says he was born in Odessa but this is clearly not
Odessa and I cannot relate it to any Russian town or village.

The Viewmate address is http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

Please address responses to: wrosenz@aol.com

Thanks in advance,
Bill Rosenzweig
Exton, PA


Meeting announcement for the IGS Negev #general

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

Meeting Announcement - September 2005

Israel Genealogical Society - Negev Branch
" HaHevra HaGenealogit HaIsraelit "
* * * * * *
The next meeting of the IGS-Negev branch will take place:
Date: Wednesday, Sept. 7, 2005

Time: 20:00 (Library open >from 7:30)

Place: Kehilat Magen Avraham
Corner of Rehov Ad-Ad and Rehov Margalit
Omer

Our speaker will be: Advocat Rony Golan

Topic: Effective communication on the Jewishgen forum and SIGs and
how to post an effective query on the Hebrew Tapuz Family Roots Forum.

Rony Golan is an active moderator on a Jewish genealogy forum. Who
could know better than he how to navigate the maze of posting a
message on the internet?! Rony will guide us through the framework of
how to post an effective message, one which will elicit a valued,
helpful response, and explain the importance of an accurate subject
line, while giving valuable tips throughout. If you ever wanted to
know how to elicit help >from others, you will not want to miss our
opening session of the 2005-2006 season.

We look forward to welcoming everyone back to the fold and we welcome
all who might wish to join us!

Martha Lev-Zion
IGS-Negev


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Meeting announcement for the IGS Negev #general

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

Meeting Announcement - September 2005

Israel Genealogical Society - Negev Branch
" HaHevra HaGenealogit HaIsraelit "
* * * * * *
The next meeting of the IGS-Negev branch will take place:
Date: Wednesday, Sept. 7, 2005

Time: 20:00 (Library open >from 7:30)

Place: Kehilat Magen Avraham
Corner of Rehov Ad-Ad and Rehov Margalit
Omer

Our speaker will be: Advocat Rony Golan

Topic: Effective communication on the Jewishgen forum and SIGs and
how to post an effective query on the Hebrew Tapuz Family Roots Forum.

Rony Golan is an active moderator on a Jewish genealogy forum. Who
could know better than he how to navigate the maze of posting a
message on the internet?! Rony will guide us through the framework of
how to post an effective message, one which will elicit a valued,
helpful response, and explain the importance of an accurate subject
line, while giving valuable tips throughout. If you ever wanted to
know how to elicit help >from others, you will not want to miss our
opening session of the 2005-2006 season.

We look forward to welcoming everyone back to the fold and we welcome
all who might wish to join us!

Martha Lev-Zion
IGS-Negev


SOMERSET WEST STRAND HEBREW CONGREGATION #southafrica

Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

SOMERSET WEST STRAND HEBREW CONGREGATION

I have received a note about the Dedication Service to celebrate the opening
of their new Synagogue on Sunday 11th September at 14.30 (2.30 p.m.).
If anyone wants further details please e-mail me and I will pass it on to
the people concerned.

Saul Issroff
saul@shaul.homechoice.co.uk
www.jewishgen.org/safrica


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica SOMERSET WEST STRAND HEBREW CONGREGATION #southafrica

Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

SOMERSET WEST STRAND HEBREW CONGREGATION

I have received a note about the Dedication Service to celebrate the opening
of their new Synagogue on Sunday 11th September at 14.30 (2.30 p.m.).
If anyone wants further details please e-mail me and I will pass it on to
the people concerned.

Saul Issroff
saul@shaul.homechoice.co.uk
www.jewishgen.org/safrica


GELB family research #southafrica

richard casson
 

Monday 5 September 2005

I'm trying to find out more information about the family Gelb who settled in
SA between 1912 and 1919.The Gelbs came >from the village of Shkud (Skuodas)
near Alshad (Alsedziai) in Lithuania. Joseph Gelb would have arrived in South
Africa between 1912 and 1914: his wife Hinde Gelb (nee Broude) in 1919 after
having left Shkud after war had broken out and travelled with her two
infants across Siberia to Japan where she spent the duration of the war. This
is a most interesting story which I'd like to know more about.

Other information:-
Joseph Gelb b. 1879 d. 1965 aged 86
Hinda Gelb b. 1885 d. 1962 aged 77
Stillborn female d. 1919 parent Hindl Gelb.

Hoping someone can throw some light on the matter

Many Thanks
Richard Casson


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica GELB family research #southafrica

richard casson
 

Monday 5 September 2005

I'm trying to find out more information about the family Gelb who settled in
SA between 1912 and 1919.The Gelbs came >from the village of Shkud (Skuodas)
near Alshad (Alsedziai) in Lithuania. Joseph Gelb would have arrived in South
Africa between 1912 and 1914: his wife Hinde Gelb (nee Broude) in 1919 after
having left Shkud after war had broken out and travelled with her two
infants across Siberia to Japan where she spent the duration of the war. This
is a most interesting story which I'd like to know more about.

Other information:-
Joseph Gelb b. 1879 d. 1965 aged 86
Hinda Gelb b. 1885 d. 1962 aged 77
Stillborn female d. 1919 parent Hindl Gelb.

Hoping someone can throw some light on the matter

Many Thanks
Richard Casson


Researcher Charlotte Pritikin #general

Linda Berkowitz <e-berkowitz@...>
 

I am looking for researcher Charlotte Pritikin. I have a connection to
her family and would like to get in touch with her. Her address as
listed in the Family Finder database is in Sherman Oaks, CA. I could
not find her, however, using the online search engine, Smartpages, and
believe that she has moved.

Thank you for any leads in finding her.

Linda Berkowitz
Northbrook, IL

MODERATOR NOTE: Try also contacting the LostNFound Desk, which specializes
in finding lost JGFFers. The address is LostNFound@lyris.jewishgen.org .


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Researcher Charlotte Pritikin #general

Linda Berkowitz <e-berkowitz@...>
 

I am looking for researcher Charlotte Pritikin. I have a connection to
her family and would like to get in touch with her. Her address as
listed in the Family Finder database is in Sherman Oaks, CA. I could
not find her, however, using the online search engine, Smartpages, and
believe that she has moved.

Thank you for any leads in finding her.

Linda Berkowitz
Northbrook, IL

MODERATOR NOTE: Try also contacting the LostNFound Desk, which specializes
in finding lost JGFFers. The address is LostNFound@lyris.jewishgen.org .