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Seeking Bella BERGER somewhere in the US after 1952 #general

Judith27
 

Dear JewishGendom,
I am searching for Bella Berger, daughter of Harry Berger, who
arrived in NY as a teenager, in 1948 >from Palestine.
Bella Berger lived for a time in Manhattan, NY, on Eldridge Street,
and East 8th Street, while she attended Seward Park High School, before
graduating in January 1952.
The trail seems to end there circa 1952, around which time she may
have married and moved elsewhere, possibly to Texas. Unfortunately, her married
name is not known at this time.
I have already searched the Manhattan telephone books, the Social
Security Death Index, and I have contacted the high school. I am planning to do
a search soon of the marriage indexes at the NYCity Clerk's Office.
I look forward to your leads and suggestions.
Shalom,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking Bella BERGER somewhere in the US after 1952 #general

Judith27
 

Dear JewishGendom,
I am searching for Bella Berger, daughter of Harry Berger, who
arrived in NY as a teenager, in 1948 >from Palestine.
Bella Berger lived for a time in Manhattan, NY, on Eldridge Street,
and East 8th Street, while she attended Seward Park High School, before
graduating in January 1952.
The trail seems to end there circa 1952, around which time she may
have married and moved elsewhere, possibly to Texas. Unfortunately, her married
name is not known at this time.
I have already searched the Manhattan telephone books, the Social
Security Death Index, and I have contacted the high school. I am planning to do
a search soon of the marriage indexes at the NYCity Clerk's Office.
I look forward to your leads and suggestions.
Shalom,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan


FRIEDMAN - RIBACK 1889-1938 NY, USA #general

Dream Builder <dreambuilder@...>
 

I am seeking information about Anna FRIEDMAN who was married to Louis S.
RIBACK. There are supposed to be descendants. Anna was born abt. 1889 and
died 05 Nov 1938 in Brooklyn, Kings County, NY, USA. Louis was born abt.
1884 and died 25 Mar 1949. Anna FRIEDMAN was either my grandfather Hirsch
FRIEDMAN's sister or niece.

Vicki Ina Friedman Gloer
Ball Ground, GA, USA
dreambuilder@tds.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FRIEDMAN - RIBACK 1889-1938 NY, USA #general

Dream Builder <dreambuilder@...>
 

I am seeking information about Anna FRIEDMAN who was married to Louis S.
RIBACK. There are supposed to be descendants. Anna was born abt. 1889 and
died 05 Nov 1938 in Brooklyn, Kings County, NY, USA. Louis was born abt.
1884 and died 25 Mar 1949. Anna FRIEDMAN was either my grandfather Hirsch
FRIEDMAN's sister or niece.

Vicki Ina Friedman Gloer
Ball Ground, GA, USA
dreambuilder@tds.net


Re: Illegitimate royal descent, myth or mystery? #hungary

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

The "bubbe meise" regarding "royal" descent is possibly quite amusing from
one perspective. Someone probably started off with having an affair with
the local lord of the manor or nobleman and the story got expanded each time
it was told until the affair was with the Emperor and/or his son. If you
are going to do something outside community values, do it up big!!!!

It was not unusual for noblemen to have affairs or mistresses as very often
they did not marry for love, but were matched with an appropriate person
from the nobility. However, in more modern times, there were the cases
where wealthy Jews intermarried with the nobility. You can find this very
often, for example, in Germany and England and especially in the royal
family. One can even look further back in the Spanish royal family to the
13th Century and also the Portuguese nobility who took Jewish mistresses and
wives. All this has been discussed on the JewishGen digest in the past.

A good example closer to our times is King Carol II of Romania who ran off
with his mistress Magda Lupescu, who was originally Elena Wolff, daughter of
Nicolas Grunberg, a Jewish phamacist, >from the town of Hertza in Bessarabia.
Another is Lord Louis Mountbatten, who married Edwina Ashley, granddaughter
of Sir Ernest Cassel, a Jewish banker.

In some communities, however, there were instances where the lord of the
manor or nobleman took advantage of "first right" to the bride when a couple
married. Or, when Jewish girls may have worked for the lord of the manor or
nobleman, she may have been forced or coerced into having relations with
him. Others may have just acquiesed.

In regard to Crown Prince Rudolph, one of the "bubbe meises" relating to him
is that it was not he and his mistress who died at Mayerling, but
substitutes and that he and his mistress Mary Vetsera escaped to New York to
live a life of anonymity. Other stories said that his reformist tendancies
and too close ties to the Jewish community were the cause of his death or
supposed "suicide".

I find that our ancestors are not all pure and rigid in their mores as can
be seen as far back as the bible. This I saw quite easily as I once looked
at many of the people and their relationships on several blocks in the area
of Strangeways in Manchester, England, based on stories my mother and her
sisters had discussed.

A number of girls had either children out of wedlock or within the marital
state not belonging to their husbands. In the case of the unmarried girls,
they were matched with men willing to take them and their children and no
more was said about it. Often, they were sent off to London to either have
the children or otherwise dispose of them through adoption or other means.
When they returned, they were said to have visited relatives.

In one case, the girl was matched with a man who was a hunchback who plied
the trade of a shoemaker. He was delighted as he would have had a
difficult, if not impossible time, finding a good match due to his infirmity
and she found a loving husband who accepted her and her child.

One of the men involved was the owner of a factory and regularly took
advantage of his young staff. In another instance, where the street was not
totally populated by Jewish families, the daughter in the family became
friendly with her gentile neighbor and a baby resulted. The girl and child
were matched with a Jew in another neighborhood.

So, the top and tail of this is that these things happen through choice or
not and there is nothing mythic or mysterious about them. Perhaps only DNA
or further sleuthing in in family or public records can determine whether
they are true or not in a particular family.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Illegitimate royal descent, myth or mystery? #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

The "bubbe meise" regarding "royal" descent is possibly quite amusing from
one perspective. Someone probably started off with having an affair with
the local lord of the manor or nobleman and the story got expanded each time
it was told until the affair was with the Emperor and/or his son. If you
are going to do something outside community values, do it up big!!!!

It was not unusual for noblemen to have affairs or mistresses as very often
they did not marry for love, but were matched with an appropriate person
from the nobility. However, in more modern times, there were the cases
where wealthy Jews intermarried with the nobility. You can find this very
often, for example, in Germany and England and especially in the royal
family. One can even look further back in the Spanish royal family to the
13th Century and also the Portuguese nobility who took Jewish mistresses and
wives. All this has been discussed on the JewishGen digest in the past.

A good example closer to our times is King Carol II of Romania who ran off
with his mistress Magda Lupescu, who was originally Elena Wolff, daughter of
Nicolas Grunberg, a Jewish phamacist, >from the town of Hertza in Bessarabia.
Another is Lord Louis Mountbatten, who married Edwina Ashley, granddaughter
of Sir Ernest Cassel, a Jewish banker.

In some communities, however, there were instances where the lord of the
manor or nobleman took advantage of "first right" to the bride when a couple
married. Or, when Jewish girls may have worked for the lord of the manor or
nobleman, she may have been forced or coerced into having relations with
him. Others may have just acquiesed.

In regard to Crown Prince Rudolph, one of the "bubbe meises" relating to him
is that it was not he and his mistress who died at Mayerling, but
substitutes and that he and his mistress Mary Vetsera escaped to New York to
live a life of anonymity. Other stories said that his reformist tendancies
and too close ties to the Jewish community were the cause of his death or
supposed "suicide".

I find that our ancestors are not all pure and rigid in their mores as can
be seen as far back as the bible. This I saw quite easily as I once looked
at many of the people and their relationships on several blocks in the area
of Strangeways in Manchester, England, based on stories my mother and her
sisters had discussed.

A number of girls had either children out of wedlock or within the marital
state not belonging to their husbands. In the case of the unmarried girls,
they were matched with men willing to take them and their children and no
more was said about it. Often, they were sent off to London to either have
the children or otherwise dispose of them through adoption or other means.
When they returned, they were said to have visited relatives.

In one case, the girl was matched with a man who was a hunchback who plied
the trade of a shoemaker. He was delighted as he would have had a
difficult, if not impossible time, finding a good match due to his infirmity
and she found a loving husband who accepted her and her child.

One of the men involved was the owner of a factory and regularly took
advantage of his young staff. In another instance, where the street was not
totally populated by Jewish families, the daughter in the family became
friendly with her gentile neighbor and a baby resulted. The girl and child
were matched with a Jew in another neighborhood.

So, the top and tail of this is that these things happen through choice or
not and there is nothing mythic or mysterious about them. Perhaps only DNA
or further sleuthing in in family or public records can determine whether
they are true or not in a particular family.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


Re: Hebrew phrase on tombstone #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 03:54:20 UTC, batyao@netsynthesis.com (Batya
Olsen) opined:

Hello J'genners,

My great grandfather's tombstone has the phrase "Eesh yashar mavah"?
mem vov heh) My little Shilo dictionary has failed me.
What is the third word?

Thanks for your help.

Batya
Your dictionary has not failed you; it is telling you: "There ain't no
such word". You have mistaken the initial "heh" for a "mem", and the
middle "yod" for a "vav". The third word becomes "Hayah", and the sentence
is: "He was an honest man".

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the
URL is: http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address
is not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the
URL above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Hebrew phrase on tombstone #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 03:54:20 UTC, batyao@netsynthesis.com (Batya
Olsen) opined:

Hello J'genners,

My great grandfather's tombstone has the phrase "Eesh yashar mavah"?
mem vov heh) My little Shilo dictionary has failed me.
What is the third word?

Thanks for your help.

Batya
Your dictionary has not failed you; it is telling you: "There ain't no
such word". You have mistaken the initial "heh" for a "mem", and the
middle "yod" for a "vav". The third word becomes "Hayah", and the sentence
is: "He was an honest man".

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the
URL is: http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address
is not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the
URL above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.


Re: Hebrew phrase on tombstone #general

chaikin <chaikin@...>
 

Batya Matzkin Olsen asked:
My great grandfather's tombstone has the phrase "Eesh yashar mavah"?
mem vov heh) My little Shilo dictionary has failed me.
What is the third word?

=If it is "mem-vav-heh", than it might be the initials for "morenu harav"
(our teacher, the rabbi).

Best regards, Udi Cain, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Hebrew phrase on tombstone #general

chaikin <chaikin@...>
 

Batya Matzkin Olsen asked:
My great grandfather's tombstone has the phrase "Eesh yashar mavah"?
mem vov heh) My little Shilo dictionary has failed me.
What is the third word?

=If it is "mem-vav-heh", than it might be the initials for "morenu harav"
(our teacher, the rabbi).

Best regards, Udi Cain, Israel


Re: Hebrew phrase on tombstone #general

Mathilde Tagger <tagger@...>
 

Hi Batya,

You wrote:
My great grandfather's tombstone has the phrase "Eesh yashar mavah"? mem
vov heh) My little Shilo dictionary has failed me.
What is the third word?
-->
This is an acronym of the words: Morenu HaRav that means: Our teacher, Rabbi...
This acronym preceeds a given name and a surname (if any).

I take this opportunity to remind all, that a list of Hebrew acronyms found
on tombstone inscriptions is on the the Israel Genealogical Society website
at: http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/Research/Aides.html

Shalom,
Mathilde Tagger
Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Hebrew phrase on tombstone #general

Mathilde Tagger <tagger@...>
 

Hi Batya,

You wrote:
My great grandfather's tombstone has the phrase "Eesh yashar mavah"? mem
vov heh) My little Shilo dictionary has failed me.
What is the third word?
-->
This is an acronym of the words: Morenu HaRav that means: Our teacher, Rabbi...
This acronym preceeds a given name and a surname (if any).

I take this opportunity to remind all, that a list of Hebrew acronyms found
on tombstone inscriptions is on the the Israel Genealogical Society website
at: http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/Research/Aides.html

Shalom,
Mathilde Tagger
Jerusalem


Jewish Genealogy Society of Connecticut #general

Arthur Meyers <marciarthur@...>
 

Greetings,

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Connecticut will meet Sunday, November
20th at 2 p.m. at the Godfrey Memorial Library in Middletown. Preserve and
Protect Your Family Photos will be the program presented by Matt Kabel, well
known Middletown photographer and instructor.

Marcia Indianer Meyers
President JGSCT
marciarthur@msn.com


Article on Jewish genealogy, ynetnews.com (11.16.05) #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

Schelly Talalay Dardashti's It's All Relative: Connections column for
November is at

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3170283,00.html

The November column includes resources, events and updates covering
Rezeszow censuses for 1870 and 1890, DNA for genealogy research,
genealogy workshops in New York, a Galicianer meeting, an online 1746
London map, along with new and updated Holocaust databases on JewishGen
and more.

--
Bernard Kouchel
koosh@att.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish Genealogy Society of Connecticut #general

Arthur Meyers <marciarthur@...>
 

Greetings,

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Connecticut will meet Sunday, November
20th at 2 p.m. at the Godfrey Memorial Library in Middletown. Preserve and
Protect Your Family Photos will be the program presented by Matt Kabel, well
known Middletown photographer and instructor.

Marcia Indianer Meyers
President JGSCT
marciarthur@msn.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Article on Jewish genealogy, ynetnews.com (11.16.05) #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

Schelly Talalay Dardashti's It's All Relative: Connections column for
November is at

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3170283,00.html

The November column includes resources, events and updates covering
Rezeszow censuses for 1870 and 1890, DNA for genealogy research,
genealogy workshops in New York, a Galicianer meeting, an online 1746
London map, along with new and updated Holocaust databases on JewishGen
and more.

--
Bernard Kouchel
koosh@att.net


Communal Records #southafrica

Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

<< re: Synagogue Records "Beryl. B" <balden@zahav.net.il> on
Wed, 16 Nov 2005 asked: However, who does one contact if one needs
information >from a specific Synagogue's Records, especially if that
Synagogue no longer exists?>>

Defunct communal records, when extant, are usually in the archives of SA
Jewish Board of Deputies, Johannesburg ( for Transvaal mainly, but they do
have other areas), Isaac and Jessie Kaplan Centre for Jewish studies,
University of Cape Town for most others. Some Orthodox communities , e.g.
Durban, Bloemfontein, Pretoria, East London and Port Elizabeth, have
largely, but not exclusively, kept the won records. Oudtshoorn records are
largely in the CP Nel Museum. I do not know what happens to Reform and the
newer Chabad, Aish HaTorah etc. records.

The ongoing project for Country Communities by the SA Friends of Beth
Hatefusoth has a lot of copies of communal records for defunct country
communities and these are gradually being published as noted on this
discussion group..

There are a number of microfilms of SAJBD records held at the Central
Archives of the Jewish People in Jerusalem.

It is also apparent that in some instances when communities closed
individual community members kept records. If any of this discussion group
participants are aware of such it may be helpful to try and get these
transferred to one of the above named institutions.

These contact details are all on the website www.jewishgen.org/safrica


Saul Issroff


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Communal Records #southafrica

Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

<< re: Synagogue Records "Beryl. B" <balden@zahav.net.il> on
Wed, 16 Nov 2005 asked: However, who does one contact if one needs
information >from a specific Synagogue's Records, especially if that
Synagogue no longer exists?>>

Defunct communal records, when extant, are usually in the archives of SA
Jewish Board of Deputies, Johannesburg ( for Transvaal mainly, but they do
have other areas), Isaac and Jessie Kaplan Centre for Jewish studies,
University of Cape Town for most others. Some Orthodox communities , e.g.
Durban, Bloemfontein, Pretoria, East London and Port Elizabeth, have
largely, but not exclusively, kept the won records. Oudtshoorn records are
largely in the CP Nel Museum. I do not know what happens to Reform and the
newer Chabad, Aish HaTorah etc. records.

The ongoing project for Country Communities by the SA Friends of Beth
Hatefusoth has a lot of copies of communal records for defunct country
communities and these are gradually being published as noted on this
discussion group..

There are a number of microfilms of SAJBD records held at the Central
Archives of the Jewish People in Jerusalem.

It is also apparent that in some instances when communities closed
individual community members kept records. If any of this discussion group
participants are aware of such it may be helpful to try and get these
transferred to one of the above named institutions.

These contact details are all on the website www.jewishgen.org/safrica


Saul Issroff


IKG cemetery database - correction #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I must have been dreaming. Yesterday, I sent you the
URL with the word "results" in it instead of the word
"search".

If you try and connect with the "results" URL - you
hit a blank wall! However you can manipulate this URL
perfectly when you are connected to it.

Please use the URLs below to connect to the site :

http://friedhof.ikg-wien.at/search.asp?lang=en English


http://friedhof.ikg-wien.at/search.asp?lang=de German


Celia Male [U.K.]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech IKG cemetery database - correction #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I must have been dreaming. Yesterday, I sent you the
URL with the word "results" in it instead of the word
"search".

If you try and connect with the "results" URL - you
hit a blank wall! However you can manipulate this URL
perfectly when you are connected to it.

Please use the URLs below to connect to the site :

http://friedhof.ikg-wien.at/search.asp?lang=en English


http://friedhof.ikg-wien.at/search.asp?lang=de German


Celia Male [U.K.]