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Re: Was there a port in Odessa circa 1921? #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

I suggest you go to the following web site as a start to your research and
read about Odessa, it very busy port and its Jews. There are several
references mentioned too which can give you more detailed information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odessa

You might also go to the following 1902 Encyclopedia site which mentions
connections to London: http://www.1902-encyclopedia.com/O/ODE/odessa.html

Actually, Jews could reach London >from Odessa by either the water route or
by train.

You might like to take advantage of posting to the Ukraine SIG and also
visit their web site on JewishGen at: http://www.jewishgen.org/Ukraine/

Ann Rabinowitz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Was there a port in Odessa circa 1921? #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

I suggest you go to the following web site as a start to your research and
read about Odessa, it very busy port and its Jews. There are several
references mentioned too which can give you more detailed information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odessa

You might also go to the following 1902 Encyclopedia site which mentions
connections to London: http://www.1902-encyclopedia.com/O/ODE/odessa.html

Actually, Jews could reach London >from Odessa by either the water route or
by train.

You might like to take advantage of posting to the Ukraine SIG and also
visit their web site on JewishGen at: http://www.jewishgen.org/Ukraine/

Ann Rabinowitz


Re: Was there a port in Odessa circa 1921? #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

<Redball62@aol.com> wrote
Dear Group,

I am trying to help a friend validate a story that she heard >from her
family members. Does anyone know if there was a port in Odessa, Russia where
one could take a ship to England circa 1921? If so, are there any online
sources for these ships? Are there any online sources for passengers who
arrived in England during this time period?
Whilst the Moving Here Project of the UK National Archive definitely refers
to Odessa as a point of departure for Britain
http://www.movinghere.org.uk/galleries/histories/jewish/journeys/journeys.htm
it is unlikely that such a journey would have taken place in 1921.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/section/OdessUkr_History.asp records that
Odessa was taken over by the Red Army in 1920.

On the other hand http://www.bh.org.il/Exhibitions/Odessa/community.asp does
say that a group of authors led by Bialik did leave Odessa for
Constantinople in June 1921.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Was there a port in Odessa circa 1921? #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

<Redball62@aol.com> wrote
Dear Group,

I am trying to help a friend validate a story that she heard >from her
family members. Does anyone know if there was a port in Odessa, Russia where
one could take a ship to England circa 1921? If so, are there any online
sources for these ships? Are there any online sources for passengers who
arrived in England during this time period?
Whilst the Moving Here Project of the UK National Archive definitely refers
to Odessa as a point of departure for Britain
http://www.movinghere.org.uk/galleries/histories/jewish/journeys/journeys.htm
it is unlikely that such a journey would have taken place in 1921.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/section/OdessUkr_History.asp records that
Odessa was taken over by the Red Army in 1920.

On the other hand http://www.bh.org.il/Exhibitions/Odessa/community.asp does
say that a group of authors led by Bialik did leave Odessa for
Constantinople in June 1921.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Belarus)


Moshe (Morris) Bersin #southafrica

Mike Stern <mike@...>
 

Hi, Ann

I have had an incredible time with the new Latvian database, and perhaps
this is an opportunity to express my thanks to whoever contributed,
whether in time or funds, to the translation of the various lists.

The lists confirmed many theories we had about family connections of the
Bersins, and we immediately located two branches of the family we were
not aware of - one brother's family who stayed in Rezekne up to the
late 30's ( while the others lit out for South Africa), and then made
Aliyah, and another sister we suspect went to the States in 1906, and
of whom we are awaiting confirmation.

Based solely on computer work ( and collecting information >from the
family) we have managed to determine that my great-great- grandfather
was Idel Bersin who was born in Rezekne in 1815, and died there in 1896.
This gives us 8 generations for the Bersin family. I understand that
the next step will be to approach the State Archives in Latvia.

The Kopmans are slightly more elusive, but we will get round to them.

I had no idea what databases were available for South Africa, and many
participants in the SIG have kindly enlightened me. Yes, there are
records for Morris Bersin, who owned property in Plumstead and died
there in 1934, and records of his widow, Sonia, who left with her grown
sons and daughter for Rhodesia in the late '30s.

I have enough material to work on for the coming year - again, my thanks
to all who have helped me along the way.

Mike Stern
Petah Tikva, Israel


Hoda Kruger- Maiden name #southafrica

Anita Fischer <anitwal@...>
 

I would like to know what records in South Africa would show the maiden
name of Hoda Kruger who was married to Moshe Benjamin Kruger. They were from
Krekenava and lived in Johannesburg. Hoda died about 1950. The family in
Johannesburg have been unable to help me. Hoda was my grandmother's sister
and I am trying to confirm their family name. My grandmother was married to
Chaim Tvi Chaimovitch of Krekenava and the records I have found for him do
not give her maiden name.

Anita Fischer,
anitwal@videotron.ca


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Moshe (Morris) Bersin #southafrica

Mike Stern <mike@...>
 

Hi, Ann

I have had an incredible time with the new Latvian database, and perhaps
this is an opportunity to express my thanks to whoever contributed,
whether in time or funds, to the translation of the various lists.

The lists confirmed many theories we had about family connections of the
Bersins, and we immediately located two branches of the family we were
not aware of - one brother's family who stayed in Rezekne up to the
late 30's ( while the others lit out for South Africa), and then made
Aliyah, and another sister we suspect went to the States in 1906, and
of whom we are awaiting confirmation.

Based solely on computer work ( and collecting information >from the
family) we have managed to determine that my great-great- grandfather
was Idel Bersin who was born in Rezekne in 1815, and died there in 1896.
This gives us 8 generations for the Bersin family. I understand that
the next step will be to approach the State Archives in Latvia.

The Kopmans are slightly more elusive, but we will get round to them.

I had no idea what databases were available for South Africa, and many
participants in the SIG have kindly enlightened me. Yes, there are
records for Morris Bersin, who owned property in Plumstead and died
there in 1934, and records of his widow, Sonia, who left with her grown
sons and daughter for Rhodesia in the late '30s.

I have enough material to work on for the coming year - again, my thanks
to all who have helped me along the way.

Mike Stern
Petah Tikva, Israel


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Hoda Kruger- Maiden name #southafrica

Anita Fischer <anitwal@...>
 

I would like to know what records in South Africa would show the maiden
name of Hoda Kruger who was married to Moshe Benjamin Kruger. They were from
Krekenava and lived in Johannesburg. Hoda died about 1950. The family in
Johannesburg have been unable to help me. Hoda was my grandmother's sister
and I am trying to confirm their family name. My grandmother was married to
Chaim Tvi Chaimovitch of Krekenava and the records I have found for him do
not give her maiden name.

Anita Fischer,
anitwal@videotron.ca


Re: Have you had this experience? #general

Sara Lynns
 

Like to thank those of you who responded to:
"have you had this experience?"
I forgive my mother, who was an immigrant lost family in the Holocaust
my sense is, there are things she chose not to share,
that died with her, unfortunately

it's important to accept people for who they are and
for where they are in their lives

Jackie Lerner-Aderman
Tigard, OR


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Have you had this experience? #general

Sara Lynns
 

Like to thank those of you who responded to:
"have you had this experience?"
I forgive my mother, who was an immigrant lost family in the Holocaust
my sense is, there are things she chose not to share,
that died with her, unfortunately

it's important to accept people for who they are and
for where they are in their lives

Jackie Lerner-Aderman
Tigard, OR


Re: Saying Where You Are #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Yehudh bn Shlmo" <ybs1207@yahoo.com> wrote
I have yet to hear a good reason why it is necessary
for anyone to give a location. And my person opinion,
is that it is just being snoopy. However, if you are
curious, ask. But please don't refuse to provide a
vital link about someone's family if they don't give a location.
After all, If a person said I am looking for an Obit for Jane
Doe >from 1966 in New York City, what significance does
the person's location have, other than providing what
time of day it is where they are?
If I knew that you lived in NY I might suggest that you visit New York City
Library whereas if you lived in Australia I would suggest differently.

There was a recent series of postings regarding the S55 form which I believe
relates to Social Security in the USA. I live in the UK but it was assumed
that everyone on the newsgroup would know what was being referred to.

Given that this is an international newsgroup/discussion group it makes a
lot of sense to know where they are posting from, so that potential posters
can make a judgement as to what information/sources/buildings the poster is
likely to have access to.

Of course, if the poster chooses not to reveal that information that is
clearly up to them (and the Moderators).

But I would add that every time someone makes a request for some information
about a relative or an ancestor, they are giving up something personal.

I can't see how this sort of discussion group can work without providing the
kind of information that the poster seems to object to revealing.

I am also concerned about my own personal privacy, but clearly by taking
part in this newsgroup I have given away a little of that.

After all, if I make a comment on someone else's posting regarding the
situation in the US, I would have thought that it was relevant that I live
in England, if nothing else.


--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Belarus)


Re: Saying Where You Are #general

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

Yehudah ben Shlomo" <ybs1207@yahoo.com> wrote:

I have yet to hear a good reason why it is necessary
for anyone to give a location. And my person opinion,
is that it is just being snoopy. >
Dear Yehudah;

I'll give you several good reasons.

The first is that, depending upon the question, the answer may be
geographical based. For example, it would be pointless to refer someone to a
film in the FHC catalog if they live in Israel, since there are no FHC's in
Israel. OTOH, if someone is in the USA and the answer is to get a film from
the FHC, knowing their location enables the one answering to list the
closest FHC and the hours. If someone lives in or near NYC, an answer
might send them to the Municipal Archives or NARA or 42nd St. Library, none
of which would be good answers if they lived in Iowa.

Second, I have contacted off-list a couple of people whose postings indicated
a similar research interest to mine, and who lived nearby. I have since
become good friends with a person I met in this manner, and we are able to
help one another with our research. There would have been no way to identify
that he lives close by unless his postings indicated where he lived. Of
course, when I contacted him by email, he always had the choice to not get
together. But why not make friendships based on a common interest?

Lastly, why not list the city-state one is from? You can't think of any
reason to do so; I can't think of any reason not to do so. Among other
things, it is both courteous and required (but not enforced) by the rules
and regulations of JewishGen.


Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Saying Where You Are #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Yehudh bn Shlmo" <ybs1207@yahoo.com> wrote
I have yet to hear a good reason why it is necessary
for anyone to give a location. And my person opinion,
is that it is just being snoopy. However, if you are
curious, ask. But please don't refuse to provide a
vital link about someone's family if they don't give a location.
After all, If a person said I am looking for an Obit for Jane
Doe >from 1966 in New York City, what significance does
the person's location have, other than providing what
time of day it is where they are?
If I knew that you lived in NY I might suggest that you visit New York City
Library whereas if you lived in Australia I would suggest differently.

There was a recent series of postings regarding the S55 form which I believe
relates to Social Security in the USA. I live in the UK but it was assumed
that everyone on the newsgroup would know what was being referred to.

Given that this is an international newsgroup/discussion group it makes a
lot of sense to know where they are posting from, so that potential posters
can make a judgement as to what information/sources/buildings the poster is
likely to have access to.

Of course, if the poster chooses not to reveal that information that is
clearly up to them (and the Moderators).

But I would add that every time someone makes a request for some information
about a relative or an ancestor, they are giving up something personal.

I can't see how this sort of discussion group can work without providing the
kind of information that the poster seems to object to revealing.

I am also concerned about my own personal privacy, but clearly by taking
part in this newsgroup I have given away a little of that.

After all, if I make a comment on someone else's posting regarding the
situation in the US, I would have thought that it was relevant that I live
in England, if nothing else.


--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Saying Where You Are #general

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

Yehudah ben Shlomo" <ybs1207@yahoo.com> wrote:

I have yet to hear a good reason why it is necessary
for anyone to give a location. And my person opinion,
is that it is just being snoopy. >
Dear Yehudah;

I'll give you several good reasons.

The first is that, depending upon the question, the answer may be
geographical based. For example, it would be pointless to refer someone to a
film in the FHC catalog if they live in Israel, since there are no FHC's in
Israel. OTOH, if someone is in the USA and the answer is to get a film from
the FHC, knowing their location enables the one answering to list the
closest FHC and the hours. If someone lives in or near NYC, an answer
might send them to the Municipal Archives or NARA or 42nd St. Library, none
of which would be good answers if they lived in Iowa.

Second, I have contacted off-list a couple of people whose postings indicated
a similar research interest to mine, and who lived nearby. I have since
become good friends with a person I met in this manner, and we are able to
help one another with our research. There would have been no way to identify
that he lives close by unless his postings indicated where he lived. Of
course, when I contacted him by email, he always had the choice to not get
together. But why not make friendships based on a common interest?

Lastly, why not list the city-state one is from? You can't think of any
reason to do so; I can't think of any reason not to do so. Among other
things, it is both courteous and required (but not enforced) by the rules
and regulations of JewishGen.


Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA


Re: Saying Where You Are #general

Harvey L Kaplan <harvey@...>
 

Re the discussion about signing postings - I think it is important to do so,
for various reasons. Sometimes it is relevant to the enquiry. How many times
do we see postings about censuses or naturalisations, and it turns out that
we are talking about American documents, which are different >from British
(for instance)? There is also an element of where does that person's home
community fit into the pattern of Jewish history and geography, which can
have a bearing on the enquiry. It gives us a better feel for the spread of
the JewishGen community when we see if people live in New York or Tel Aviv
or Sydney or wherever. And spare a thought for those of us who live in small
or smallish or outlying Jewish communities, for whom JewishGen can sometimes
seem excessively America-centric!!

Furthest >from my mind would be any element of curiosity for its own sake, or
snooping - we are not asking people to put their address!

Harvey L Kaplan
Glasgow, Scotland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Saying Where You Are #general

Harvey L Kaplan <harvey@...>
 

Re the discussion about signing postings - I think it is important to do so,
for various reasons. Sometimes it is relevant to the enquiry. How many times
do we see postings about censuses or naturalisations, and it turns out that
we are talking about American documents, which are different >from British
(for instance)? There is also an element of where does that person's home
community fit into the pattern of Jewish history and geography, which can
have a bearing on the enquiry. It gives us a better feel for the spread of
the JewishGen community when we see if people live in New York or Tel Aviv
or Sydney or wherever. And spare a thought for those of us who live in small
or smallish or outlying Jewish communities, for whom JewishGen can sometimes
seem excessively America-centric!!

Furthest >from my mind would be any element of curiosity for its own sake, or
snooping - we are not asking people to put their address!

Harvey L Kaplan
Glasgow, Scotland


Abraham DANIEL Family of Detroit #general

Linda Shefler <linsilv@...>
 

I think I might have stumbled upon something that might just unlock my
SNOPARSKY family mystery.

I recently discovered a piece of paper with a note regarding a Pola
SZNAPARSKI who arrived at the Port of Quebec in Sept 1922. She was born in
*Pavalatsch* about 1905 and her destination was her brother Abe DANIEL who
lived at 2525 Hastings St. in Detroit.
In 1925 I found Borich SCHNAPORSKI who was born about 1906 in *Pavalich*
crossing the border >from Canada to visit someone in Detroit.

According to the WWI registration I have Abe DANIEL born 1891 in *Pavoltz,
Kiev* residing at 465 Hastings St. in Detroit.
It indicates that he was the sole supporter of his family in Russia.
The 1930 Census indicates that Abraham DANIEL immigrated in 1913; was
proprietor of a fish market; was 39 years old and married to Sophia. They
had a daughter Sylvia who was born in 1923. Abraham's mother Anna, a widow
age 63 also lived with them. It looks like she immigrated in 1927.
According to the SS records, Abraham died in 1980 in Detroit.

Does anyone know or know of the family of Abraham, Sophia and Sylvia DANIEL
of Detroit? Any information would be most appreciated!

As usual, thank you all for your time and for all of the wonderful support,
advice and suggestions.

Please respond privately.

Regards,
Linda Silverman Shefler
Cary, NC
linsilv@nc.rr.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Abraham DANIEL Family of Detroit #general

Linda Shefler <linsilv@...>
 

I think I might have stumbled upon something that might just unlock my
SNOPARSKY family mystery.

I recently discovered a piece of paper with a note regarding a Pola
SZNAPARSKI who arrived at the Port of Quebec in Sept 1922. She was born in
*Pavalatsch* about 1905 and her destination was her brother Abe DANIEL who
lived at 2525 Hastings St. in Detroit.
In 1925 I found Borich SCHNAPORSKI who was born about 1906 in *Pavalich*
crossing the border >from Canada to visit someone in Detroit.

According to the WWI registration I have Abe DANIEL born 1891 in *Pavoltz,
Kiev* residing at 465 Hastings St. in Detroit.
It indicates that he was the sole supporter of his family in Russia.
The 1930 Census indicates that Abraham DANIEL immigrated in 1913; was
proprietor of a fish market; was 39 years old and married to Sophia. They
had a daughter Sylvia who was born in 1923. Abraham's mother Anna, a widow
age 63 also lived with them. It looks like she immigrated in 1927.
According to the SS records, Abraham died in 1980 in Detroit.

Does anyone know or know of the family of Abraham, Sophia and Sylvia DANIEL
of Detroit? Any information would be most appreciated!

As usual, thank you all for your time and for all of the wonderful support,
advice and suggestions.

Please respond privately.

Regards,
Linda Silverman Shefler
Cary, NC
linsilv@nc.rr.com


Translation: 2 Polish marriage certificates?? #general

mfisaac@...
 

Hi- I have two Polish marriage certificates here I'd love to be able to
decipher. Can anyone help me out? Word-by-word translations are not
necessary; I'm just looking for any relevant names, dates, places, etc.
Please send any responses to me directly at mfisaac@optonline.net . Thanks
so much for any help you can give!

1846 Marriage of Frymeta Anisman and Moszek Leysor Lewin:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7439

1826 Marriage of Moszek Pech and Dwora Hepner:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7438

Farra Isaacson
mfisaac@optonline.net
RESEARCHING:

Poland-BORENSTEIN,LEVINE,EINZUMPTNER / SCHALL,HABERMAN,
GOLDKRANTZ,FLEISCHMAN,JACOBOVITZ,SOMMER,SCHWARTZBARD, KURIN
Ukraine-SCHWEIBISH, SCHWARTZMAN,MISHURIS,COHEN,CHALFIN,SHAPIRO
Latvia-LIPSHITZ,KUSLANSKY, JOEL/YOEL,CZILING Lithuania- LIPSHITZ,
ISAACSON,FISHER/FISHKIN(NJ), KUSNA, SCHUSTER/SCHULMAN Hungary/ Austria-
FUCHS/FOX,BERMAN, BIEGELEISEN,SAJOVITZ,MILLER/MUELLER England-HELLER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Translation: 2 Polish marriage certificates?? #general

mfisaac@...
 

Hi- I have two Polish marriage certificates here I'd love to be able to
decipher. Can anyone help me out? Word-by-word translations are not
necessary; I'm just looking for any relevant names, dates, places, etc.
Please send any responses to me directly at mfisaac@optonline.net . Thanks
so much for any help you can give!

1846 Marriage of Frymeta Anisman and Moszek Leysor Lewin:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7439

1826 Marriage of Moszek Pech and Dwora Hepner:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7438

Farra Isaacson
mfisaac@optonline.net
RESEARCHING:

Poland-BORENSTEIN,LEVINE,EINZUMPTNER / SCHALL,HABERMAN,
GOLDKRANTZ,FLEISCHMAN,JACOBOVITZ,SOMMER,SCHWARTZBARD, KURIN
Ukraine-SCHWEIBISH, SCHWARTZMAN,MISHURIS,COHEN,CHALFIN,SHAPIRO
Latvia-LIPSHITZ,KUSLANSKY, JOEL/YOEL,CZILING Lithuania- LIPSHITZ,
ISAACSON,FISHER/FISHKIN(NJ), KUSNA, SCHUSTER/SCHULMAN Hungary/ Austria-
FUCHS/FOX,BERMAN, BIEGELEISEN,SAJOVITZ,MILLER/MUELLER England-HELLER