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Viewmate: Recognize Anyone At This Seder- Possible RAVITZ Family? #ukraine

Marion5301@...
 

Although I have posted this message on the Jewishgen Digest, I am also
posting it to the SIG because this is part of my mother's family, which came >from
Ichnya, Priluki, Borzna, Parafyevka,and maybe other areas around Chernigov
gubernia

I am hoping some Genner will be able to give me any possible clues about the
three photos I have posted as Viewmate files VM8267, VM8268, and VM8269.

Each picture is part of a very large, framed photo I inherited >from a member
of the RAVITZ family, which emigrated >from Parafyevka, Ukraine to New York
City about 1900. I'm guessing this photo was probably taken about 1910, in
Manhattan, but maybe Brooklyn. The photographer's name- Mandelkern- appears in
the lower right corner in script.

Family information says the head of the family was Sander or Sender Ravitz,
and NY records show a man with that name died at Bellevue Hospital and was
buried at New Mt. Carmel Cemetery in 1919. He was variously a peddler and a
watchman, and I am not at all sure he was part of the family pictured here.

The photo shows a total of fourteen well-dressed people around a large table
set for what seems to be a Seder, complete with wine, seltzer bottles and a
stack of matzohs. The room has a very high ceiling, elaborate,heavy-possibly
velvet- drapes, a very tall mirror, large samovar, fancy chandelier,
oriental rug, etc.

I would be most grateful for the name of anyone you might recognize, or any
clues or comments you wish to share.

The photos are VM 8267, VM 8268, and VM 8269 at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/index.asp.

Please reply directly to me, not to the list.

Many thanks in advance for whatever you can do to help me solve this
fascinating puzzle!

Marion Diamond
Los Angeles area, California, U.S.A.
marion5301@aol.com


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Viewmate: Recognize Anyone At This Seder- Possible RAVITZ Family? #ukraine

Marion5301@...
 

Although I have posted this message on the Jewishgen Digest, I am also
posting it to the SIG because this is part of my mother's family, which came >from
Ichnya, Priluki, Borzna, Parafyevka,and maybe other areas around Chernigov
gubernia

I am hoping some Genner will be able to give me any possible clues about the
three photos I have posted as Viewmate files VM8267, VM8268, and VM8269.

Each picture is part of a very large, framed photo I inherited >from a member
of the RAVITZ family, which emigrated >from Parafyevka, Ukraine to New York
City about 1900. I'm guessing this photo was probably taken about 1910, in
Manhattan, but maybe Brooklyn. The photographer's name- Mandelkern- appears in
the lower right corner in script.

Family information says the head of the family was Sander or Sender Ravitz,
and NY records show a man with that name died at Bellevue Hospital and was
buried at New Mt. Carmel Cemetery in 1919. He was variously a peddler and a
watchman, and I am not at all sure he was part of the family pictured here.

The photo shows a total of fourteen well-dressed people around a large table
set for what seems to be a Seder, complete with wine, seltzer bottles and a
stack of matzohs. The room has a very high ceiling, elaborate,heavy-possibly
velvet- drapes, a very tall mirror, large samovar, fancy chandelier,
oriental rug, etc.

I would be most grateful for the name of anyone you might recognize, or any
clues or comments you wish to share.

The photos are VM 8267, VM 8268, and VM 8269 at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/index.asp.

Please reply directly to me, not to the list.

Many thanks in advance for whatever you can do to help me solve this
fascinating puzzle!

Marion Diamond
Los Angeles area, California, U.S.A.
marion5301@aol.com


Re: Johannesburg Cemetery Photograph #southafrica

Jane Moulding
 

Hi Jules

Thanks for the useful cemetery information. I hope he was buried in Brixton
but doubt it now as I believe he lost all his money in the depression. I
have just heard >from another responder that Braamfontein is now a bit of a
no-go area due to muggings, murders etc so I may have to do without a photo
if that's where he turns out to be buried.

Thanks again for your help.

Jane

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jules Feldman" <jfeldman@yizrael.org.il>
To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [safrica] Johannesburg Cemetery Photograph


Jane - Hi !
West Park Cemetery - the current Jewish cemetery was opened approx 1942.
1936 should be Braamfontein, unless he was buried in Brixton in which were
buried then only people who had bought plots previously.

Jules Feldman,
Yizreel

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jane Moulding" <jane.moulding@btinternet.com>
To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 1:43 PM
Subject: [safrica] Johannesburg Cemetery Photograph



Dear South African Genners

I wonder whether there is a kind person in Jo'burg who would be willing
to
photograph my grandmother's headstone in West Park I Cemetery. Her name
is
Julia Rubinstein and she is buried in Plot B 1012. She died on 9th
February
1955, aged 87. I have had no luck in tracing where my grandfather, Max
Rubinstein, is buried. He died on 6th September either 1935 or 1936 at
49
First Avenue, Lower Houghton but I can find no record of his burial. I
assume though that he was probably buried in the same cemetery.

Any help that you can give would be much appreciated.

Jane Moulding
Bucks, UK


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: Johannesburg Cemetery Photograph #southafrica

Jane Moulding
 

Hi Jules

Thanks for the useful cemetery information. I hope he was buried in Brixton
but doubt it now as I believe he lost all his money in the depression. I
have just heard >from another responder that Braamfontein is now a bit of a
no-go area due to muggings, murders etc so I may have to do without a photo
if that's where he turns out to be buried.

Thanks again for your help.

Jane

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jules Feldman" <jfeldman@yizrael.org.il>
To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [safrica] Johannesburg Cemetery Photograph


Jane - Hi !
West Park Cemetery - the current Jewish cemetery was opened approx 1942.
1936 should be Braamfontein, unless he was buried in Brixton in which were
buried then only people who had bought plots previously.

Jules Feldman,
Yizreel

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jane Moulding" <jane.moulding@btinternet.com>
To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 1:43 PM
Subject: [safrica] Johannesburg Cemetery Photograph



Dear South African Genners

I wonder whether there is a kind person in Jo'burg who would be willing
to
photograph my grandmother's headstone in West Park I Cemetery. Her name
is
Julia Rubinstein and she is buried in Plot B 1012. She died on 9th
February
1955, aged 87. I have had no luck in tracing where my grandfather, Max
Rubinstein, is buried. He died on 6th September either 1935 or 1936 at
49
First Avenue, Lower Houghton but I can find no record of his burial. I
assume though that he was probably buried in the same cemetery.

Any help that you can give would be much appreciated.

Jane Moulding
Bucks, UK


Searching JULIUSBERG and LANDSBERG German refugee families and their descendants #unitedkingdom

holbrook@...
 

I am trying to locate members and descendants of the JULIUSBERG family of Breslau who came as refugees to England in 1938 and 1939. The members of the family were Alfred Juliusberg b 13.8.1882, his wife Kathe Sara b 16.1.1894, their daughter Marianne b. 9.9.1924 and their son Franz, b 14.11.1920.

I have acquired this, and other information about them >from the National Archives and >from the Association of Jewish Refugees.

The reason that I would like to locate anyone who is a member of this family or knows about them is that I have been searching for a year now for information about my wife’s JULIUSBERG ancestors. Her great grandfather was Franz Juliusberg b in Breslau in 1865 and died in Hamburg in 1936. We have been unable to trace any more information about the JULIUSBERG family in Breslau even though it is a very uncommon name and nearly all the references to Juliusbergs in Jewish databases seem to be connected to Breslau.

For this reason, I would like to find anyone who knows about the JULIUSBERGS of Breslau since it is likely that they are all related. I know that the family who came as refugees to England lives in Breslau at 165 Strasse der SA.

I have also found in one of your own database a record of a marriage in 1961 between Frank Juliusberg (aged 40) and Sylvia Stroh. This Frank could be the same as the Franz Juliusberg b 1920.

Connected with this search for JULIUSBERG information is my search for information about the LANDSBERG family. Gerda Landsberg was a cousin of my wife’s grandmother, Clara Margarethe Arndt, nee Juliusberg, and I am trying to trace members of the Landsberg family. Gerda was born in Neustadt, Germany on 20 Feb 1897. (I don’t know which Neustadt). The National Archives record that in 1939 she was class as a refugee exempt >from internment. She is described as a housewife living in Bodley Road, New Malden. The latest address I have in a family address book for Walter and Gerda Landsberg is Blakes Avenue, Motspur Park, New Malden, Surrey. I do not think that they had any children. Since I cannot find their names on the computerized UK BMD I assume they died before 1983.

I have been a member of the German and Polish discussion groups for some time. These have been helpful, but the discovery of this English lead is a new door. Any advice would be grateful.

Please reply direct to me:

holbrook@ntlworld.com

Roger Lilley

Cambridge, England


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Searching JULIUSBERG and LANDSBERG German refugee families and their descendants #unitedkingdom

holbrook@...
 

I am trying to locate members and descendants of the JULIUSBERG family of Breslau who came as refugees to England in 1938 and 1939. The members of the family were Alfred Juliusberg b 13.8.1882, his wife Kathe Sara b 16.1.1894, their daughter Marianne b. 9.9.1924 and their son Franz, b 14.11.1920.

I have acquired this, and other information about them >from the National Archives and >from the Association of Jewish Refugees.

The reason that I would like to locate anyone who is a member of this family or knows about them is that I have been searching for a year now for information about my wife’s JULIUSBERG ancestors. Her great grandfather was Franz Juliusberg b in Breslau in 1865 and died in Hamburg in 1936. We have been unable to trace any more information about the JULIUSBERG family in Breslau even though it is a very uncommon name and nearly all the references to Juliusbergs in Jewish databases seem to be connected to Breslau.

For this reason, I would like to find anyone who knows about the JULIUSBERGS of Breslau since it is likely that they are all related. I know that the family who came as refugees to England lives in Breslau at 165 Strasse der SA.

I have also found in one of your own database a record of a marriage in 1961 between Frank Juliusberg (aged 40) and Sylvia Stroh. This Frank could be the same as the Franz Juliusberg b 1920.

Connected with this search for JULIUSBERG information is my search for information about the LANDSBERG family. Gerda Landsberg was a cousin of my wife’s grandmother, Clara Margarethe Arndt, nee Juliusberg, and I am trying to trace members of the Landsberg family. Gerda was born in Neustadt, Germany on 20 Feb 1897. (I don’t know which Neustadt). The National Archives record that in 1939 she was class as a refugee exempt >from internment. She is described as a housewife living in Bodley Road, New Malden. The latest address I have in a family address book for Walter and Gerda Landsberg is Blakes Avenue, Motspur Park, New Malden, Surrey. I do not think that they had any children. Since I cannot find their names on the computerized UK BMD I assume they died before 1983.

I have been a member of the German and Polish discussion groups for some time. These have been helpful, but the discovery of this English lead is a new door. Any advice would be grateful.

Please reply direct to me:

holbrook@ntlworld.com

Roger Lilley

Cambridge, England


Superstitions #unitedkingdom

malcolm katz <malkikatz9361@...>
 

Many thanks for the replies i think there fantastic
another one apperently >from Romania was that kids
shouldnt play or laugh at night before bed as the
devil came for happy children.
In between laughing my head off im learning that stuff
i thought was English in origin is mostly Jewish and
we were more superstitous then i thought having
interogated my Anglo-Saxon friends last night theve
never heard of the salt or beds.
And memory's now flood back of spitting and Kona
a'hora.
It is indeed the silly season keep them
coming,Enjoying it very much.
Malki Katz
London


Samuel & Mary DAVIS #unitedkingdom

HPOLLINS@...
 

Does anybody have these names on their family trees?

Samuel DAVIS, who died 5 May 1921 and is buried at Edmonton Cemetery
Mary DAVIS, his wife
Barney DAVIS, one of their children, who died 23 August 1918.He is said to
have been killed in action but there is no record of him in the British Jewry
Book of Honour, in Soldiers Died in the Great War, and at the Commonwealth
War Graves Commission.
Any information gratefully received.

Harold Pollins


Re: jcr-uk digest: July 31, 2006 #unitedkingdom

Sheila Toffell
 

I do remember the keys on the table superstition. In fact, although I do put
keys on the table I always have this little voice inside nagging me! Not
sure of the origin, although I think I remember my Mum saying it was dirty
to do it.
My family was >from Poland and Ukraine.

Sheila Toffell
Glen Rock NJ


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Superstitions #unitedkingdom

malcolm katz <malkikatz9361@...>
 

Many thanks for the replies i think there fantastic
another one apperently >from Romania was that kids
shouldnt play or laugh at night before bed as the
devil came for happy children.
In between laughing my head off im learning that stuff
i thought was English in origin is mostly Jewish and
we were more superstitous then i thought having
interogated my Anglo-Saxon friends last night theve
never heard of the salt or beds.
And memory's now flood back of spitting and Kona
a'hora.
It is indeed the silly season keep them
coming,Enjoying it very much.
Malki Katz
London


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Samuel & Mary DAVIS #unitedkingdom

HPOLLINS@...
 

Does anybody have these names on their family trees?

Samuel DAVIS, who died 5 May 1921 and is buried at Edmonton Cemetery
Mary DAVIS, his wife
Barney DAVIS, one of their children, who died 23 August 1918.He is said to
have been killed in action but there is no record of him in the British Jewry
Book of Honour, in Soldiers Died in the Great War, and at the Commonwealth
War Graves Commission.
Any information gratefully received.

Harold Pollins


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom RE: jcr-uk digest: July 31, 2006 #unitedkingdom

Sheila Toffell
 

I do remember the keys on the table superstition. In fact, although I do put
keys on the table I always have this little voice inside nagging me! Not
sure of the origin, although I think I remember my Mum saying it was dirty
to do it.
My family was >from Poland and Ukraine.

Sheila Toffell
Glen Rock NJ


Superstitions #unitedkingdom

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

My children think I'm crazy when I recount all the 'superstitions' >from my
childhood - I can relate to about 99% of those mentioned.

As for a 'bird' flying into a house, last year a most beautiful bird, the
likes of which I have never seen before, suddenly flew into my balcony, it
stayed there quite happily for over 2hrs, then suddenly flew away, the
following day I received a telephone call >from London saying that a dear
cousin had passed away, was the bird a messenger?

Has anyone ever heard that if a picture falls off the wall a death is about
to occur - this too has happened within our family.


The best one has to be - my father was never let out of the house either to
go to school or even play, until he had a clove of garlic attached to his
vest - to ward off the evil eye - I suspect it warded off more than that!

Thanks everyone for reminding us of all these tales.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)

btw - my family came >from Romania and Poland.


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Superstitions #unitedkingdom

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

My children think I'm crazy when I recount all the 'superstitions' >from my
childhood - I can relate to about 99% of those mentioned.

As for a 'bird' flying into a house, last year a most beautiful bird, the
likes of which I have never seen before, suddenly flew into my balcony, it
stayed there quite happily for over 2hrs, then suddenly flew away, the
following day I received a telephone call >from London saying that a dear
cousin had passed away, was the bird a messenger?

Has anyone ever heard that if a picture falls off the wall a death is about
to occur - this too has happened within our family.


The best one has to be - my father was never let out of the house either to
go to school or even play, until he had a clove of garlic attached to his
vest - to ward off the evil eye - I suspect it warded off more than that!

Thanks everyone for reminding us of all these tales.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)

btw - my family came >from Romania and Poland.


Re: Mt Hebron #yiddish

mhlcswc2@...
 

I have copied the whole URL and was not able to access the Yiddish Theater
Alliance. I'm wondering if anyone was able to access the site? Thanks in
advance to anyone who might answer this query.

Marcia Hoffman
Baltimore, MD

Moderator's Note: An alternative to finding the members of the Yiddish Theatre
Alliance buried at Mt. Lebanon, try the following.
URL http://www.mounthebroncemetery.com/search.asp
On the Mt. Hebron page, Enter Block 67 and Reference 1 and Hit Search
That will take you to the first 200 names of members of the Alliance.


Yiddish Theatre and Vadeville #YiddishTheatre Re:Mt Hebron #yiddish

mhlcswc2@...
 

I have copied the whole URL and was not able to access the Yiddish Theater
Alliance. I'm wondering if anyone was able to access the site? Thanks in
advance to anyone who might answer this query.

Marcia Hoffman
Baltimore, MD

Moderator's Note: An alternative to finding the members of the Yiddish Theatre
Alliance buried at Mt. Lebanon, try the following.
URL http://www.mounthebroncemetery.com/search.asp
On the Mt. Hebron page, Enter Block 67 and Reference 1 and Hit Search
That will take you to the first 200 names of members of the Alliance.


followup Mt. Hebron Cemetery/Yiddish Notables #yiddish

DElliot874@...
 

In the superb documentary "The Komediant" on Pesachke Burstein and the
Burstein family - there is a moving scene of a visit to Mt. Hebron cemetery by
Lillian Lux and the family to see Pesachke's grave & the graves of other Yiddish
notables. Sadly, Lillian Lux has since passed, and I assume she is buried there
too. The movie is a 'must see' - and its website is 'thekomediant.com' .
Also, I purchased a CD of LIllian Lux which is a compilation of songs >from her
career; one of my favorites is her singing 'Jerusalem of Gold' in Yiddish. She
had the most beautiful voice.

Also, if you're taking the bus trip to Mt. Hebron Cemetery - you may want to
also visit the grave of the The Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel
Schneerson. It's very moving, and even more so before the Jewish Holidays.

David, New Jersey
delliot874@aol.com
searching: ZIKLIK, SICKLICK - Lenin, Belarus + Israel + United States;
MEDVEDEV - Mikashevitz, Belarus
EKELCHIK - Uzda; TREILAZER - Warsaw (became Goldstein, U.S.)


Yiddish Theatre and Vadeville #YiddishTheatre followup Mt. Hebron Cemetery/Yiddish Notables #yiddish

DElliot874@...
 

In the superb documentary "The Komediant" on Pesachke Burstein and the
Burstein family - there is a moving scene of a visit to Mt. Hebron cemetery by
Lillian Lux and the family to see Pesachke's grave & the graves of other Yiddish
notables. Sadly, Lillian Lux has since passed, and I assume she is buried there
too. The movie is a 'must see' - and its website is 'thekomediant.com' .
Also, I purchased a CD of LIllian Lux which is a compilation of songs >from her
career; one of my favorites is her singing 'Jerusalem of Gold' in Yiddish. She
had the most beautiful voice.

Also, if you're taking the bus trip to Mt. Hebron Cemetery - you may want to
also visit the grave of the The Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel
Schneerson. It's very moving, and even more so before the Jewish Holidays.

David, New Jersey
delliot874@aol.com
searching: ZIKLIK, SICKLICK - Lenin, Belarus + Israel + United States;
MEDVEDEV - Mikashevitz, Belarus
EKELCHIK - Uzda; TREILAZER - Warsaw (became Goldstein, U.S.)


How to Identify Time Period on Photographs #general

Peter Lebensold
 

Carolyn Lea asked ... "if anyone can recommend a book that is helpful in
dating an image based on fashion?"

The genealogy magazine "Family Chronicle"
( http://www.familychronicle.com/ )
regularly runs articles in which photos sent in by readers are dated
...
and they have published two books (available at their website) based on
those articles: "Dating Old Photographs"and "More Dating Old Photographs".

Peter Lebensold
Toronto


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen How to Identify Time Period on Photographs #general

Peter Lebensold
 

Carolyn Lea asked ... "if anyone can recommend a book that is helpful in
dating an image based on fashion?"

The genealogy magazine "Family Chronicle"
( http://www.familychronicle.com/ )
regularly runs articles in which photos sent in by readers are dated
...
and they have published two books (available at their website) based on
those articles: "Dating Old Photographs"and "More Dating Old Photographs".

Peter Lebensold
Toronto