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Re: DORA JACOBSON ---> KALMAN #courland #latvia

Jean Shaffer
 

Dear Harold,
I came upon your correspondence with Martha late so maybe she already
told you that there are some Kalman names that we found in connection with
our Courland Himelhoch family. Ask her about Hyman Kalman and daughter
Alice. Some famiy members remember visiting with this family who were
fabulously wealthy so the date would be something like the 1930's. I think
this famiy had settled in South Africa. Jean Shaffer

--- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Lewis" <howard.lewis@...>
To: "Courland Area Research Group" <courland@...>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 6:40 AM
Subject: RE: [courland] DORA JACOBSON ---> KALMAN


Martha - It may have been abbreviated when they came to the UK. I should
be very interested to see any information on these variants. I am
specifically concerned with my greatgrandmother, Celia Kalman(?), born c
1865 and originating, so I understand, >from Vilnius.

WAGW - Howard

-----Original Message-----
From: Martha Lev-Zion [mailto:martha@...]
Sent: 01 December 2007 06:19
To: Courland Area Research Group
Subject: Re: [courland] DORA JACOBSON

Shalom, Howard! I have both KALMANOVITZ and KALMANSO[H]N but no
family name of just plain KALMAN.

Martha Lev-Zion
Israel


On 30 Nov 2007, at 1:50 PM, Howard Lewis wrote:

Martha - Does the name KALMAN appear in your database?

With all good wishes - Howard Lewis (London)


NADELMAN: Mitau, Latvia -> Warsaw, Russia 1870 #courland #latvia

Gordon Clark <Gordon.Clark40@...>
 

I believe my wife's father's family moved >from Mitau, Latvia to Warsaw
around 1870. Philip and Sara Nadelman would have been 35 and 25 years old
in 1870 and had one or two young children (eventually having 7, their last
being Elie Nadelman the US sculptor). Philip was a jeweller. I'm not sure
of the correct phrase, but they were "non-practising" Jews; seem to have
been reasonably well off; and spoke several languages, with a preference for
German at home. They are buried in the Warsaw Jewish Cemetary.

I have a number of questions to which I would really appreciate any help
from the group:
- can anyone trace any records of the Nadelmans in Mitau? (I am in touch
with most other Nadelmans on the internet - to no avail!)
- how might I go about finding records for them in Latvia?
- why might a family such as this have made such a move at this time?
- what can we tell >from the family name? Tailor? Am I right in thinking
this might have been "given to them" in the first half of the nineteenth
century?

Any help very much appreciated. I have been stuck for too long.

Gordon Clark
London


Courland SIG #Courland #Latvia Re: DORA JACOBSON ---> KALMAN #courland #latvia

Jean Shaffer
 

Dear Harold,
I came upon your correspondence with Martha late so maybe she already
told you that there are some Kalman names that we found in connection with
our Courland Himelhoch family. Ask her about Hyman Kalman and daughter
Alice. Some famiy members remember visiting with this family who were
fabulously wealthy so the date would be something like the 1930's. I think
this famiy had settled in South Africa. Jean Shaffer

--- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Lewis" <howard.lewis@...>
To: "Courland Area Research Group" <courland@...>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 6:40 AM
Subject: RE: [courland] DORA JACOBSON ---> KALMAN


Martha - It may have been abbreviated when they came to the UK. I should
be very interested to see any information on these variants. I am
specifically concerned with my greatgrandmother, Celia Kalman(?), born c
1865 and originating, so I understand, >from Vilnius.

WAGW - Howard

-----Original Message-----
From: Martha Lev-Zion [mailto:martha@...]
Sent: 01 December 2007 06:19
To: Courland Area Research Group
Subject: Re: [courland] DORA JACOBSON

Shalom, Howard! I have both KALMANOVITZ and KALMANSO[H]N but no
family name of just plain KALMAN.

Martha Lev-Zion
Israel


On 30 Nov 2007, at 1:50 PM, Howard Lewis wrote:

Martha - Does the name KALMAN appear in your database?

With all good wishes - Howard Lewis (London)


Courland SIG #Courland #Latvia NADELMAN: Mitau, Latvia -> Warsaw, Russia 1870 #courland #latvia

Gordon Clark <Gordon.Clark40@...>
 

I believe my wife's father's family moved >from Mitau, Latvia to Warsaw
around 1870. Philip and Sara Nadelman would have been 35 and 25 years old
in 1870 and had one or two young children (eventually having 7, their last
being Elie Nadelman the US sculptor). Philip was a jeweller. I'm not sure
of the correct phrase, but they were "non-practising" Jews; seem to have
been reasonably well off; and spoke several languages, with a preference for
German at home. They are buried in the Warsaw Jewish Cemetary.

I have a number of questions to which I would really appreciate any help
from the group:
- can anyone trace any records of the Nadelmans in Mitau? (I am in touch
with most other Nadelmans on the internet - to no avail!)
- how might I go about finding records for them in Latvia?
- why might a family such as this have made such a move at this time?
- what can we tell >from the family name? Tailor? Am I right in thinking
this might have been "given to them" in the first half of the nineteenth
century?

Any help very much appreciated. I have been stuck for too long.

Gordon Clark
London


Springs Cemetery query #southafrica

Bernard Lowe
 

Thanks a million to the lightening fast replies to my query about the
Springs cemetery.
I have passed on the info to the friends who will be traveling there
soon.

Many thanks to y'all.


Bernie


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Springs Cemetery query #southafrica

Bernard Lowe
 

Thanks a million to the lightening fast replies to my query about the
Springs cemetery.
I have passed on the info to the friends who will be traveling there
soon.

Many thanks to y'all.


Bernie


Re: Harry Hart #southafrica

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

The best source for an article on Harry Hart on the Queen's New Year's
Honours List of 1965 is the Jewish Chronicle Archives.

www.thejc.com

The short piece can be found by searching for Harry Hart, 1965, and is
located in the January 29, 1965 issue.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


Rhodesia Herald #southafrica

Hazel Dakers
 

Phil

Try the National Library of Australia Catalogue where I believe you'll find
it. Unfortunately for you the State Library of Victoria does not. Canberra
is nearer than Africa or Europe!

Regards

Hazel

Hazel Dakers, The Cedars, 2 Upper Butts, Brentford, Middx, TW8 8DA
Tel: 020-8568 2209



Subject: Rhodesia Herald Archive
From: "Phil Lipshut" <plipshut@...>
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:15:55 +1100

Harry Hart Esq. of Salisbury was awarded a Queen's Honour in the New Year
Honours List of 1965 for his services to sport, particularly bowls, in
Southern Rhodesia.

It has been suggested to me that the Rhodesia Herald of the day was likely
to have carried an article about Harry Hart and his honour, possibly with a
photograph.

Does anyone on the list know where The Rhodesia Herald of 1965 could be
viewed?

Phil Lipshut
Melbourne, Australia

researching Goldhill, Joseph, Levy, Miron/Myron, Moses, Moss, Myers,
Solomons (all England), Lipschitz, Miron/Myron (Vilnius, Lithuania),
Nettleberg (Posen, Prussia)


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica RE: Harry Hart #southafrica

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

The best source for an article on Harry Hart on the Queen's New Year's
Honours List of 1965 is the Jewish Chronicle Archives.

www.thejc.com

The short piece can be found by searching for Harry Hart, 1965, and is
located in the January 29, 1965 issue.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Rhodesia Herald #southafrica

Hazel Dakers
 

Phil

Try the National Library of Australia Catalogue where I believe you'll find
it. Unfortunately for you the State Library of Victoria does not. Canberra
is nearer than Africa or Europe!

Regards

Hazel

Hazel Dakers, The Cedars, 2 Upper Butts, Brentford, Middx, TW8 8DA
Tel: 020-8568 2209



Subject: Rhodesia Herald Archive
From: "Phil Lipshut" <plipshut@...>
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:15:55 +1100

Harry Hart Esq. of Salisbury was awarded a Queen's Honour in the New Year
Honours List of 1965 for his services to sport, particularly bowls, in
Southern Rhodesia.

It has been suggested to me that the Rhodesia Herald of the day was likely
to have carried an article about Harry Hart and his honour, possibly with a
photograph.

Does anyone on the list know where The Rhodesia Herald of 1965 could be
viewed?

Phil Lipshut
Melbourne, Australia

researching Goldhill, Joseph, Levy, Miron/Myron, Moses, Moss, Myers,
Solomons (all England), Lipschitz, Miron/Myron (Vilnius, Lithuania),
Nettleberg (Posen, Prussia)


Noah Stern in London #unitedkingdom

Mike Stern <mike@...>
 

Noah Stern , originally of Poland , left his children in an orphanage
in the UK, and went out to Bechuanaland , to set up business as a
trader, somewhere around 1890-1900. He later sent for two of his
children, but several remained in the orphanage, and grew up in the UK.
Descendents of one of these children is a Mrs. Shrieberg (or similar name)
who lived in London.
Can anyone help me locate the London branch of the family?

Mike Stern
Petah Tikva, Israel

Researching BERSIN of Rezekne, Latvia, KOPMAN of Rezekne,
STERN of Poland, UK, Zimbabwe


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Noah Stern in London #unitedkingdom

Mike Stern <mike@...>
 

Noah Stern , originally of Poland , left his children in an orphanage
in the UK, and went out to Bechuanaland , to set up business as a
trader, somewhere around 1890-1900. He later sent for two of his
children, but several remained in the orphanage, and grew up in the UK.
Descendents of one of these children is a Mrs. Shrieberg (or similar name)
who lived in London.
Can anyone help me locate the London branch of the family?

Mike Stern
Petah Tikva, Israel

Researching BERSIN of Rezekne, Latvia, KOPMAN of Rezekne,
STERN of Poland, UK, Zimbabwe


Re: different first names for the same person #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

ellieweld@... (ellieweld) writes:
At least two genners have been wondering why their ancestors seem to have used
different first names interchangeably (Samuel and Simon, Joseph and Jonas)
especially when both names are Jewish. My grandfather's name was
incontrovertibly Isaac Aaron RUBINSTEIN; yet on his marriage certificate (London,
1890) his name is given as Isidore Arthur (or perhaps Arthur Isidore, I can't
remember which). I know for certain that it is the same person; and isn't
Isidore a Jewish name also even though Arthur isn't? It may have been an
attempt at Anglicisation, though not a very successful one, and he later reverted
to his proper name. Alas, that our ancestors aren't around to explain to us why
they did these baffling things!
Isidore is about as far as you can get >from a "Jewish" name by origin: it's Greek,
meaning "gift of Isis" (the Egyptian goddess), and there were several saints of
that name, including the rabidly anti-Jewish Isidore of Seville. Like Irving and
Milton, this is a "non-Jewish" name that was adopted by so many North American
Jews that the non-Jews stopped using it.
--
Robert Israel
Vancouver, BC, Canada
israel@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: different first names for the same person #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

ellieweld@... (ellieweld) writes:
At least two genners have been wondering why their ancestors seem to have used
different first names interchangeably (Samuel and Simon, Joseph and Jonas)
especially when both names are Jewish. My grandfather's name was
incontrovertibly Isaac Aaron RUBINSTEIN; yet on his marriage certificate (London,
1890) his name is given as Isidore Arthur (or perhaps Arthur Isidore, I can't
remember which). I know for certain that it is the same person; and isn't
Isidore a Jewish name also even though Arthur isn't? It may have been an
attempt at Anglicisation, though not a very successful one, and he later reverted
to his proper name. Alas, that our ancestors aren't around to explain to us why
they did these baffling things!
Isidore is about as far as you can get >from a "Jewish" name by origin: it's Greek,
meaning "gift of Isis" (the Egyptian goddess), and there were several saints of
that name, including the rabidly anti-Jewish Isidore of Seville. Like Irving and
Milton, this is a "non-Jewish" name that was adopted by so many North American
Jews that the non-Jews stopped using it.
--
Robert Israel
Vancouver, BC, Canada
israel@...


updated Guanabacoa Cemetery information and photos #latinamerica

Stephen Denker
 

JewishGen JOWBR website now has a completely updated and expanded set of
gravestone photos, with birth death information, for the United Hebrew
Congregation Cemetery in Guanabacoa Cuba.

Stephen Denker
Brookline, MA 02445

Looking for EPSTEIN, WEINER, DENKER, BREE

MODERATOR NOTE: JOWBR searches are done by searching the surname of the person
interred, not the name of the cemetery. http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/


Latin America #LatinAmerica updated Guanabacoa Cemetery information and photos #latinamerica

Stephen Denker
 

JewishGen JOWBR website now has a completely updated and expanded set of
gravestone photos, with birth death information, for the United Hebrew
Congregation Cemetery in Guanabacoa Cuba.

Stephen Denker
Brookline, MA 02445

Looking for EPSTEIN, WEINER, DENKER, BREE

MODERATOR NOTE: JOWBR searches are done by searching the surname of the person
interred, not the name of the cemetery. http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/


Juniors #general

Michael Friedman <Michael@...>
 

It has always been my understanding the Jews always name for the dead.

In recent trips to Jewish Cemeteries here in the southern United States I have come
across several instances of headstones where the individual was a junior. In each
instance, the individual was born prior to the death of their respective fathers.
All of these are the descendents of western European Jews (mainly Germany, Bavaria
and France) who settled in and around western Tennessee and eastern Arkansas. Can
someone enlighten me as to this practice?

Please respond privately.

Thank you in advance.

Michael Friedman
Memphis, Tennessee
Reply to: Michael@...

Researching: Pereszowsky/Friedman & Derektovich/Finkel (Grodno);
Lechner, Ressler, Reiff & Weitzman (Horodenka); Zimmer &
Kwekselber/Quicksilver (Werenchanka & Chernowitz)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Juniors #general

Michael Friedman <Michael@...>
 

It has always been my understanding the Jews always name for the dead.

In recent trips to Jewish Cemeteries here in the southern United States I have come
across several instances of headstones where the individual was a junior. In each
instance, the individual was born prior to the death of their respective fathers.
All of these are the descendents of western European Jews (mainly Germany, Bavaria
and France) who settled in and around western Tennessee and eastern Arkansas. Can
someone enlighten me as to this practice?

Please respond privately.

Thank you in advance.

Michael Friedman
Memphis, Tennessee
Reply to: Michael@...

Researching: Pereszowsky/Friedman & Derektovich/Finkel (Grodno);
Lechner, Ressler, Reiff & Weitzman (Horodenka); Zimmer &
Kwekselber/Quicksilver (Werenchanka & Chernowitz)


Re: confused about which Kiev archive to contact #ukraine

Bea <blspabas@...>
 

Many thanks to all those who emailed me about the RTR website,
a great help. I have now sent off letters to 2 Kiev archives.

In response to Alan, who asked "Are there UK immigration documents
or ship manifests you could search for that might give you a
better idea of where they came from?" - no, there is absolutely
nothing whatsoever, despite my UK queries over the last year,
nothing exists at all.

Thanks again, keeping them crossed that Kiev will have something
in their archives, however small.

B. Shiel


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: confused about which Kiev archive to contact #ukraine

Bea <blspabas@...>
 

Many thanks to all those who emailed me about the RTR website,
a great help. I have now sent off letters to 2 Kiev archives.

In response to Alan, who asked "Are there UK immigration documents
or ship manifests you could search for that might give you a
better idea of where they came from?" - no, there is absolutely
nothing whatsoever, despite my UK queries over the last year,
nothing exists at all.

Thanks again, keeping them crossed that Kiev will have something
in their archives, however small.

B. Shiel