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Thank You Susan #general

LEONARD MARKOWITZ
 

Susan:

It has been my privilege to know you for the past 15 years. You were a
never-ending source of help and encouragement when we founded the
Yizkor Book SIG back in the mid-1990s. As a former member of the JewishGen
Board, I was constantly impressed by your capabilities as director of
JewishGen, which you helped grow >from an idea to a worldwide organization.
You have helped untold numbers people to research their families and
ancestors. Your legacy will continue to be a shining beacon to all of us,
who have benefited >from your efforts as well as those who will benefit >from
them in the future.

Yasher Koach Susan

Leonard Markowitz
Past President, JGSGP


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thank You Susan #general

LEONARD MARKOWITZ
 

Susan:

It has been my privilege to know you for the past 15 years. You were a
never-ending source of help and encouragement when we founded the
Yizkor Book SIG back in the mid-1990s. As a former member of the JewishGen
Board, I was constantly impressed by your capabilities as director of
JewishGen, which you helped grow >from an idea to a worldwide organization.
You have helped untold numbers people to research their families and
ancestors. Your legacy will continue to be a shining beacon to all of us,
who have benefited >from your efforts as well as those who will benefit >from
them in the future.

Yasher Koach Susan

Leonard Markowitz
Past President, JGSGP


Re: mtDNA Test & Family Mystery #dna

DonnDevine@...
 

On 2008.04.03, Robin Altwarg <robin@...> asked:

[...]If my
cousin and I had our mtDNA tested would we be able to confirm or
disconfirm whether we share a great-grandmother? If so, do we have
to take a particular type of test?
Robin, if both you and your cousin are descended through all-female
maternal lines >from either one of your great-grandfather's wives,
the mtDNA test will make the distinction you're seeking. You can use
any of the basic mtDNA tests offered by commecial laboratories, or
by the non-profit National Geographic Society Genographic Project.

If your samples don't match, you'll know for sure you had different
great grandmothers. If they match exactly, you probably share same
great gfrandmother, but there's an outside possibility you had
different ones, each descended in a separate all-maternal line from
a more distant common ancestor. The basic mtDNA test can't eliminte
that possibility.

Donn Devine
Wilmington Delaware


DNA Research #DNA Re: mtDNA Test & Family Mystery #dna

DonnDevine@...
 

On 2008.04.03, Robin Altwarg <robin@...> asked:

[...]If my
cousin and I had our mtDNA tested would we be able to confirm or
disconfirm whether we share a great-grandmother? If so, do we have
to take a particular type of test?
Robin, if both you and your cousin are descended through all-female
maternal lines >from either one of your great-grandfather's wives,
the mtDNA test will make the distinction you're seeking. You can use
any of the basic mtDNA tests offered by commecial laboratories, or
by the non-profit National Geographic Society Genographic Project.

If your samples don't match, you'll know for sure you had different
great grandmothers. If they match exactly, you probably share same
great gfrandmother, but there's an outside possibility you had
different ones, each descended in a separate all-maternal line from
a more distant common ancestor. The basic mtDNA test can't eliminte
that possibility.

Donn Devine
Wilmington Delaware


Re: Kellner family in Gyongyos, Hungary ca.1880 #hungary

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

Dear Warren;

I would strongly urge you to list your interest in Gyongyos in the JewishGen
Family Finder database (http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/) , so others can find
you and the names you are researching. I didn't check to see if you were in
the JGFF for Miskolc, but my suggestion would apply to there as well.

We are currently transcribing vital records for both Gyongyos and Miskolc,
which cover roughly 1855-1895 and you could volunteer to help with that
effort. Had you previously registered with the JGFF, we would have contacted
you months ago about the records for both towns.

Generally, transcribing these records is both a help to others, as well as
yourself, and also an opportunity to learn more about these records, where
they are and how to access them.

Sam Schleman
Hungarian Vital Records Project

Dear List: I am still trying to locate facts about Ancestor: Hermione
Kellner(or variant) in Gyongyos, Hungary ca.1880 who later married Laos
Schwartz of Miskolcs, Hungary. They had several kids in or near Miskolcs
and migrated to Chicago, Illinois, ca. 1903. If someone could point me in
the direction of any data I would be most grateful. Yours sincerely,
Warren Fishbaugh
wfish1@...


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Kellner family in Gyongyos, Hungary ca.1880 #hungary

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

Dear Warren;

I would strongly urge you to list your interest in Gyongyos in the JewishGen
Family Finder database (http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/) , so others can find
you and the names you are researching. I didn't check to see if you were in
the JGFF for Miskolc, but my suggestion would apply to there as well.

We are currently transcribing vital records for both Gyongyos and Miskolc,
which cover roughly 1855-1895 and you could volunteer to help with that
effort. Had you previously registered with the JGFF, we would have contacted
you months ago about the records for both towns.

Generally, transcribing these records is both a help to others, as well as
yourself, and also an opportunity to learn more about these records, where
they are and how to access them.

Sam Schleman
Hungarian Vital Records Project

Dear List: I am still trying to locate facts about Ancestor: Hermione
Kellner(or variant) in Gyongyos, Hungary ca.1880 who later married Laos
Schwartz of Miskolcs, Hungary. They had several kids in or near Miskolcs
and migrated to Chicago, Illinois, ca. 1903. If someone could point me in
the direction of any data I would be most grateful. Yours sincerely,
Warren Fishbaugh
wfish1@...


LOEWENTHAL - LOEWENTAL #germany

Hansmartin Unger <hansmartin.unger@...>
 

I would like to inform you that I received the information about FALK I was
looking for.

As Jonas FALK of Wronke( Pommeria) born 1825 and died 1884 was married to a
Amalia LOEWENTHAL I would ask for the dates of this women. Maybe is the name
written down in any list for the family name LOEWENTHAL. Kind regards

Hansmartin Unger, St. Gallen, Switzerland <hansmartin.unger@...>


German SIG #Germany LOEWENTHAL - LOEWENTAL #germany

Hansmartin Unger <hansmartin.unger@...>
 

I would like to inform you that I received the information about FALK I was
looking for.

As Jonas FALK of Wronke( Pommeria) born 1825 and died 1884 was married to a
Amalia LOEWENTHAL I would ask for the dates of this women. Maybe is the name
written down in any list for the family name LOEWENTHAL. Kind regards

Hansmartin Unger, St. Gallen, Switzerland <hansmartin.unger@...>


Kellner family in Gyongyos, Hungary ca.1880 #hungary

wfish1 <wfish1@...>
 

Dear List: I am still trying to locate facts about Ancestor: Hermione Kellner(or variant) in Gyongyos, Hungary ca.1880 who later married Laos Schwartz of Miskolcs, Hungary. They had several kids in or near Miskolcs and migrated to Chicago, Illinois, ca. 1903. If someone could point me in the direction of any data I would be most grateful. Yours sincerely,
Warren Fishbaugh
wfish1@...


Re: The letter "S" in Hungarian (SEFFER) #hungary

tom
 

hungarian spelling is always completely phonetic, with the exception of foreign words or names, which are sometimes left in the original, or not. "habsburg" would be, but "parizs" would not. (my FISCHLOVITS family is a strange example of both: "fischl" is more or less standard german spelling for a yiddish name, whereas the slavic patronymic "ovits" follows hungarian spelling. and all in one name!)

"s" is always pronounced like the english "sh", and "sz" is always pronounced as the english "s". (the exact opposite of polish.) SEFFER would be pronounced "shef-fer". but the name was originally germanic and probably written as SCHAFFER (or with an umlaut over the "a") or SCHAEFFER, and then "hungarianized" to SEFFER. (it's still not a "hungarian" name.)

more than likely, they were told by some helpful soul that this was the "proper" spelling of their name in america. (which, of course, is wrong, because "sch" is only used in german loan-words, and their name should have been spelled SHEFFER, or possibly SHEAFFER, like the famous pen.)



....... tom klein, toronto

Amos Israel Zezmer <amos.zezmer@...> wrote:

I am curious as to whether the letter "S" in Hungarian is ALWAYS
pronounced as "sh" or whether it can also be pronounced as "s" in
certain words.

I have a Hungarian cousin whose original surname was SEFFER and then
became SCHAFFER upon immigrating to the U.S. Would this be because the
cousin wanted to maintain the original "sh" of the Hungarian surname?


Hungary SIG #Hungary Kellner family in Gyongyos, Hungary ca.1880 #hungary

wfish1 <wfish1@...>
 

Dear List: I am still trying to locate facts about Ancestor: Hermione Kellner(or variant) in Gyongyos, Hungary ca.1880 who later married Laos Schwartz of Miskolcs, Hungary. They had several kids in or near Miskolcs and migrated to Chicago, Illinois, ca. 1903. If someone could point me in the direction of any data I would be most grateful. Yours sincerely,
Warren Fishbaugh
wfish1@...


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: The letter "S" in Hungarian (SEFFER) #hungary

tom
 

hungarian spelling is always completely phonetic, with the exception of foreign words or names, which are sometimes left in the original, or not. "habsburg" would be, but "parizs" would not. (my FISCHLOVITS family is a strange example of both: "fischl" is more or less standard german spelling for a yiddish name, whereas the slavic patronymic "ovits" follows hungarian spelling. and all in one name!)

"s" is always pronounced like the english "sh", and "sz" is always pronounced as the english "s". (the exact opposite of polish.) SEFFER would be pronounced "shef-fer". but the name was originally germanic and probably written as SCHAFFER (or with an umlaut over the "a") or SCHAEFFER, and then "hungarianized" to SEFFER. (it's still not a "hungarian" name.)

more than likely, they were told by some helpful soul that this was the "proper" spelling of their name in america. (which, of course, is wrong, because "sch" is only used in german loan-words, and their name should have been spelled SHEFFER, or possibly SHEAFFER, like the famous pen.)



....... tom klein, toronto

Amos Israel Zezmer <amos.zezmer@...> wrote:

I am curious as to whether the letter "S" in Hungarian is ALWAYS
pronounced as "sh" or whether it can also be pronounced as "s" in
certain words.

I have a Hungarian cousin whose original surname was SEFFER and then
became SCHAFFER upon immigrating to the U.S. Would this be because the
cousin wanted to maintain the original "sh" of the Hungarian surname?


Czech Army Publication #hungary

John Berkeley <john.berkeley@...>
 

H-SIG,

As part of my family research, I am collecting information on the
Czechoslovak Army, in particular the 1st Infantry Regiment in which my
father Jakub Berkovic and his brother Josef both served here in
England. My father joined the first Czech division at Agde in the South
of France in January 1940, having travelled >from Palestine. They fought
their way north until the Fall of France in June and were then
evacuated to England, arriving at Liverpool and setting up camp at
Cholmondeley Castle near Chester.

I have a copy of a publication "Czechoslovakia Fights For Freedom -
Part One", compiled by five members of the 1st Czechoslovak Infantry
Regiment and published by the 1st Infantry Battalion on March 15th
1941. 3000 copies, plus 100 numbered copies in special covers, were
printed by Bonner & Co Ltd, 92 Fleet Street, London and there is a
record of one being presented to Churchill.

The clear inference is that there would be a Part Two but my efforts
to discover whether one was published and to find a copy have so far
proved unsuccessful. Can anyone help?

John Berkeley

Researching BERKOVIC, GLUCK (Chust and surrounding area)

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Hungary SIG #Hungary Czech Army Publication #hungary

John Berkeley <john.berkeley@...>
 

H-SIG,

As part of my family research, I am collecting information on the
Czechoslovak Army, in particular the 1st Infantry Regiment in which my
father Jakub Berkovic and his brother Josef both served here in
England. My father joined the first Czech division at Agde in the South
of France in January 1940, having travelled >from Palestine. They fought
their way north until the Fall of France in June and were then
evacuated to England, arriving at Liverpool and setting up camp at
Cholmondeley Castle near Chester.

I have a copy of a publication "Czechoslovakia Fights For Freedom -
Part One", compiled by five members of the 1st Czechoslovak Infantry
Regiment and published by the 1st Infantry Battalion on March 15th
1941. 3000 copies, plus 100 numbered copies in special covers, were
printed by Bonner & Co Ltd, 92 Fleet Street, London and there is a
record of one being presented to Churchill.

The clear inference is that there would be a Part Two but my efforts
to discover whether one was published and to find a copy have so far
proved unsuccessful. Can anyone help?

John Berkeley

Researching BERKOVIC, GLUCK (Chust and surrounding area)

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A new research aide by the Israel Genealogical Society #courland #latvia

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

The Israel Genealogical Society has just posted an index of the publication
Lakarov V'larahok, which appeared between 1945 and 1947. The publication
contains hundreds of lists of Holocaust survivors. The index, which covers
the 73 issues of the publication, is not an index of names but is a listing
of articles and places where Holocaust survivors were located. To get a
better understanding of what it contains, see the Avotaynu article as it
provides a detailed description with examples. At some future date, Lakarov
V'larahok will be scanned making the index a useful tool in navigating the
publication. To view the index and a reprint of the article on Lakarov
V'larahok that appeared in Avotaynu vol. XIV, No. 2 Summer 1998 go to the
IGS website
http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/Research/Aides.html
On 30 April the IGS-Negev Branch will devote its meeting to a lecture and
discussion of Lakarov V'larahok. You are all cordially invited to attend.

Shalom Bronstein, Jerusalem
Martha Lev-Zion


Re: The letter "S" in Hungarian #hungary

Gábor Hirsch <g_hirsch@...>
 

Probably yes, may be she wanted to restore the original spelling of the
Austrian/German original spelling the Hungarian s corresponds to the Englisch sh or the German sch or the Polish sz.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch
Switzerland

----- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -----
Von: Amos Israel Zezmer
Gesendet: 03.04.08 23:54 Uhr
An: H-SIG
Betreff: [h-sig] The letter "S" in Hungarian

I am curious as to whether the letter "S" in Hungarian is ALWAYS
pronounced as "sh" or whether it can also be pronounced as "s" in
certain words.

I have a Hungarian cousin whose original surname was SEFFER and then
became SCHAFFER upon immigrating to the U.S. Would this be because the
cousin wanted to maintain the original "sh" of the Hungarian surname?

Thank you.

Amos Zezmer
Yerres, France

Researching SPIEGEL, ROTH, BLEIER, SCHLANGER and ACKERMAN in the
Zemplin, Uzhgorod and Mukacheve region

--
GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen!
Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx


A new research aide by the Israel Genealogical Society #southafrica

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

The Israel Genealogical Society has just posted an index of the publication
Lakarov V'larahok, which appeared between 1945 and 1947. The publication
contains hundreds of lists of Holocaust survivors. The index, which covers
the 73 issues of the publication, is not an index of names but is a listing
of articles and places where Holocaust survivors were located. To get a
better understanding of what it contains, see the Avotaynu article as it
provides a detailed description with examples. At some future date, Lakarov
V'larahok will be scanned making the index a useful tool in navigating the
publication. To view the index and a reprint of the article on Lakarov
V'larahok that appeared in Avotaynu vol. XIV, No. 2 Summer 1998 go to the
IGS website
http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/Research/Aides.html
On 30 April the IGS-Negev Branch will devote its meeting to a lecture and
discussion of Lakarov V'larahok. You are all cordially invited to attend.

Shalom Bronstein, Jerusalem
Martha Lev-Zion


Courland SIG #Courland #Latvia A new research aide by the Israel Genealogical Society #courland #latvia

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

The Israel Genealogical Society has just posted an index of the publication
Lakarov V'larahok, which appeared between 1945 and 1947. The publication
contains hundreds of lists of Holocaust survivors. The index, which covers
the 73 issues of the publication, is not an index of names but is a listing
of articles and places where Holocaust survivors were located. To get a
better understanding of what it contains, see the Avotaynu article as it
provides a detailed description with examples. At some future date, Lakarov
V'larahok will be scanned making the index a useful tool in navigating the
publication. To view the index and a reprint of the article on Lakarov
V'larahok that appeared in Avotaynu vol. XIV, No. 2 Summer 1998 go to the
IGS website
http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/Research/Aides.html
On 30 April the IGS-Negev Branch will devote its meeting to a lecture and
discussion of Lakarov V'larahok. You are all cordially invited to attend.

Shalom Bronstein, Jerusalem
Martha Lev-Zion


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: The letter "S" in Hungarian #hungary

Gábor Hirsch <g_hirsch@...>
 

Probably yes, may be she wanted to restore the original spelling of the
Austrian/German original spelling the Hungarian s corresponds to the Englisch sh or the German sch or the Polish sz.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch
Switzerland

----- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -----
Von: Amos Israel Zezmer
Gesendet: 03.04.08 23:54 Uhr
An: H-SIG
Betreff: [h-sig] The letter "S" in Hungarian

I am curious as to whether the letter "S" in Hungarian is ALWAYS
pronounced as "sh" or whether it can also be pronounced as "s" in
certain words.

I have a Hungarian cousin whose original surname was SEFFER and then
became SCHAFFER upon immigrating to the U.S. Would this be because the
cousin wanted to maintain the original "sh" of the Hungarian surname?

Thank you.

Amos Zezmer
Yerres, France

Researching SPIEGEL, ROTH, BLEIER, SCHLANGER and ACKERMAN in the
Zemplin, Uzhgorod and Mukacheve region

--
GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen!
Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica A new research aide by the Israel Genealogical Society #southafrica

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

The Israel Genealogical Society has just posted an index of the publication
Lakarov V'larahok, which appeared between 1945 and 1947. The publication
contains hundreds of lists of Holocaust survivors. The index, which covers
the 73 issues of the publication, is not an index of names but is a listing
of articles and places where Holocaust survivors were located. To get a
better understanding of what it contains, see the Avotaynu article as it
provides a detailed description with examples. At some future date, Lakarov
V'larahok will be scanned making the index a useful tool in navigating the
publication. To view the index and a reprint of the article on Lakarov
V'larahok that appeared in Avotaynu vol. XIV, No. 2 Summer 1998 go to the
IGS website
http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/Research/Aides.html
On 30 April the IGS-Negev Branch will devote its meeting to a lecture and
discussion of Lakarov V'larahok. You are all cordially invited to attend.

Shalom Bronstein, Jerusalem
Martha Lev-Zion