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Those Searching for GENDELMAN Family #ukraine

ABoumel@...
 

Though my own research and search for family are completed (the story of my
search... and how I was able to locate and be reunited with my grandfather's
entire family... are posted at the Ukraine SIG under "Stories") I enjoy
subscribing to this mailing list because it keeps me "in touch" with others
going through the same thing. It makes me realize the enormity of the
numbers of families separated during the last century because of war and
political strife.

I have not saved back copies of this mailing list, but I did note that there
were recently several postings by somebody researching the GENDELMAN family
name. Perhaps we could share information. My husband's mother was born a
GENDELMAN , and I have some minimal information on her family history that may
be of help. Whoever you were, please feel free to contact me for further
information.

Regards,
Arlene Gorewitz Boumel
Coral Springs, FL
aboumel@cs.com


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Those Searching for GENDELMAN Family #ukraine

ABoumel@...
 

Though my own research and search for family are completed (the story of my
search... and how I was able to locate and be reunited with my grandfather's
entire family... are posted at the Ukraine SIG under "Stories") I enjoy
subscribing to this mailing list because it keeps me "in touch" with others
going through the same thing. It makes me realize the enormity of the
numbers of families separated during the last century because of war and
political strife.

I have not saved back copies of this mailing list, but I did note that there
were recently several postings by somebody researching the GENDELMAN family
name. Perhaps we could share information. My husband's mother was born a
GENDELMAN , and I have some minimal information on her family history that may
be of help. Whoever you were, please feel free to contact me for further
information.

Regards,
Arlene Gorewitz Boumel
Coral Springs, FL
aboumel@cs.com


Re: The origin mystery #ukraine

Dmitry Abramson <dmitry_abramson@...>
 

Hi,

You mention Yelizavetgrad (Elizabethgrad) and
Kirovograd in your research. I just wanted to let you
know that it is the same city. Yelizavetgrad was
renamed to Kirovograd during the Soviet Union. My
grandmother's family (LIVERGANT & ZOLOTAREVSKY) is
from Yelizavetgrad.
Dmitry

BRONSTEIN (KIROVOGRAD, UKRAINE OR STEPIVKA) ; SOLL (
aka SLOBITKER) >from
SLOBODA (NEAR KRIVOYE OZER, UKRAINE) SILK
(ELIZABETHGRAD) ; LAMB
(ELIZABETHGRAD,STEPIVKA,UKRAINE; ROLOF (UKRAINE);
MELNICOVE ( ODESSA) LINDENBAUM (POLAND)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: The origin mystery #ukraine

Dmitry Abramson <dmitry_abramson@...>
 

Hi,

You mention Yelizavetgrad (Elizabethgrad) and
Kirovograd in your research. I just wanted to let you
know that it is the same city. Yelizavetgrad was
renamed to Kirovograd during the Soviet Union. My
grandmother's family (LIVERGANT & ZOLOTAREVSKY) is
from Yelizavetgrad.
Dmitry

BRONSTEIN (KIROVOGRAD, UKRAINE OR STEPIVKA) ; SOLL (
aka SLOBITKER) >from
SLOBODA (NEAR KRIVOYE OZER, UKRAINE) SILK
(ELIZABETHGRAD) ; LAMB
(ELIZABETHGRAD,STEPIVKA,UKRAINE; ROLOF (UKRAINE);
MELNICOVE ( ODESSA) LINDENBAUM (POLAND)


Re: Berdichev book #belarus

Rafi Guber
 

Dear Claire

I would be happy to do what you requested.

Rafael Guber


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Berdichev book #ukraine

Rafi Guber
 

Dear Claire

I would be happy to do what you requested.

Rafael Guber


Re: Chicago Yiddish #general

Chuck Weinstein <cweinstein@...>
 

Interesting thesis. My name rhymes with "fine wine". I have been told
that Weinsteins >from Chicago all pronounce it that way and Weinsteins
from New York pronounce it to rhyme with "fine bean". Everyone I have
ever met >from New York mispronounces my name. Don't know if this adds to
Scott Meyer's thesis, but some of our linguistic readers might have an
idea.

Chuck Weinstein in San Mateo, CA
cweinstein@jewishgen.org


Re: Berdichev. #ukraine

Joel Bressler <nefesh2@...>
 

Joel Bressler wrote:

Am unable to read Salomon Guerschengorn's message. I just get a blank
screen. Help. Joel

Salomon Guerschengorn wrote:
I still can't read it! Oh well, I give up. Joel--
Joel Bressler and Shirley Waxman
Potomac MD 20854-3250


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Chicago Yiddish #general

Chuck Weinstein <cweinstein@...>
 

Interesting thesis. My name rhymes with "fine wine". I have been told
that Weinsteins >from Chicago all pronounce it that way and Weinsteins
from New York pronounce it to rhyme with "fine bean". Everyone I have
ever met >from New York mispronounces my name. Don't know if this adds to
Scott Meyer's thesis, but some of our linguistic readers might have an
idea.

Chuck Weinstein in San Mateo, CA
cweinstein@jewishgen.org


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Berdichev. #ukraine

Joel Bressler <nefesh2@...>
 

Joel Bressler wrote:

Am unable to read Salomon Guerschengorn's message. I just get a blank
screen. Help. Joel

Salomon Guerschengorn wrote:
I still can't read it! Oh well, I give up. Joel--
Joel Bressler and Shirley Waxman
Potomac MD 20854-3250


Tulchin #ukraine

mhahn <mhahn@...>
 

Perhaps the town you are looking for is Tolochin, Belarus, formerly
Russia. It is west of Orsha. My grandfather ,surname YERMANOK(?) , was
from that town. He emigrated to Bay City, Michigan in 1896. AKA Max
ROMANOFF depending on who filled out the forms. Hope this is helpful.

Myrle Romanoff Hahn

mhahn@accesstoledo.com


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Tulchin #ukraine

mhahn <mhahn@...>
 

Perhaps the town you are looking for is Tolochin, Belarus, formerly
Russia. It is west of Orsha. My grandfather ,surname YERMANOK(?) , was
from that town. He emigrated to Bay City, Michigan in 1896. AKA Max
ROMANOFF depending on who filled out the forms. Hope this is helpful.

Myrle Romanoff Hahn

mhahn@accesstoledo.com


Re: searching Perman & Goldenberg from Kherson #ukraine

Jeff Knisbacher <jknisbac@...>
 

Hi Yoav,
I wonder if your GOLDENBERGs could be connected to the famous actor
Edward (Emanuel) G. (GOLDENBERG) Robinson. Also, we have PERLMANs >from the
Kamenetz area who might be connected to your PERMANs.

Jeff Knisbacher,
Baltimore, MD area

----- Original Message -----
From: Yoav Epelman, CEM, R&D <yoave@nice.com>
To: Ukraine SIG <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 3:51 AM
Subject: searching PERMAN & GOLDENBERG >from Kherson

Hi all
I am searching for the families of my gggrandparents, Yehuda Leib PERMAN
(1856-1942) and Esther (Celia) Zipora GOLDENBERG (1860-1928). They came
from Kherson to Argentina in 1904.
Searching for:
EPELMAN\APPELMAN >from Bessarevia to Entre Rios, Argentina.
HENQUIN\HENKIN >from Bobruisk (Belarus) to Entre Rios, Argentina.
PERMAN >from Kherson, Novopoltavka (Ukraine) to Entre Rios or Santa Fe
(Argentina).
YANKILEVICH\JANKILEVICH >from Kiyev (Ukraine) to Argentina (Entre Rios).


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: searching Perman & Goldenberg from Kherson #ukraine

Jeff Knisbacher <jknisbac@...>
 

Hi Yoav,
I wonder if your GOLDENBERGs could be connected to the famous actor
Edward (Emanuel) G. (GOLDENBERG) Robinson. Also, we have PERLMANs >from the
Kamenetz area who might be connected to your PERMANs.

Jeff Knisbacher,
Baltimore, MD area

----- Original Message -----
From: Yoav Epelman, CEM, R&D <yoave@nice.com>
To: Ukraine SIG <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 3:51 AM
Subject: searching PERMAN & GOLDENBERG >from Kherson

Hi all
I am searching for the families of my gggrandparents, Yehuda Leib PERMAN
(1856-1942) and Esther (Celia) Zipora GOLDENBERG (1860-1928). They came
from Kherson to Argentina in 1904.
Searching for:
EPELMAN\APPELMAN >from Bessarevia to Entre Rios, Argentina.
HENQUIN\HENKIN >from Bobruisk (Belarus) to Entre Rios, Argentina.
PERMAN >from Kherson, Novopoltavka (Ukraine) to Entre Rios or Santa Fe
(Argentina).
YANKILEVICH\JANKILEVICH >from Kiyev (Ukraine) to Argentina (Entre Rios).


Kreminshok, Lida uezd of Belarus #general

Stephen A. Cohen
 

Name: Stephen A. Cohen (JewishGen #12106)
East Meadow NY (Long Island) - USA
E-mail: <gen@optonline.net> formerly <gen@nassau.cv.net>

A success story of what Jewishgen really means, warmth & cooperation!

In 1992, when I first started researching my families, I didn't even know
my original paternal family names of BASIST & SHEINHOUSE. Today I'm in
contact with over two hundred cousins many of whom, I know, my father never
knew.

Five years ago, I began searching for a town that my BASIST family
called Kremenshaw. My paternal grandmother Sophie, who settled in New York
City and her brother Samuel (who settled in Memphis, TN) told their
children that it was near Vilna which is now called Vilnius and is the
capital of Lithuania.

After frustrating searches through the available Jewishgen databases and
major libraries, inquiries were sent to Jewishgen's digest. Members
responded that they thought that it was in Poland, Ukraine, even Germany.

Listings in the JGFF (family finder) established contact with two
members Alma Cahn & Steve Sherman who were distant cousins to each other,
both researching GERMANSKY.

Steve had uncovered a very interesting fact that in the building that
the first GERMANSKI family lived in Brooklyn NY, also lived the family
of Wolf & Dora BASIST (Wolf was another brother). Since Steve knew that
his great grandmother's maiden name was Annie BASSIST, he naturally
assumed that they might be related. To this day we are still not positive
of that relationship.

However Steve also had evidence that the GERMANSKI family came from
Voronova in the Lida District of Belaus. As I had still not located my
much sought Kremenshaw, I joined the Lida Research group headed by Ellen
Sadove Renck.

The Vornova yizkor book listed several BASIST families as did several
other towns in that area. Then in 1998, Ellen made a startling find in the
1929 Business Directory - Nowogrodek Province.

This Polish business directory (Lida was part of the Grodno Gubernia
1919-1940) listed a previously unknown town Kreminshok at Latitude:
54 08'Longitude: 25 22'. Voronova was 2.3 miles WNW. This town was not
listed in Where Once We Walked.

What was even more startling was that the town was also called
Germanishki,which was so similar to Steve & Alma's family name of
GERMANSKI.

Recently after an exhausted search for his family town of Kreminchaw David
Harris, researching UMANSKY, found my original inquiry about Kremenshaw by
searching the Jewishgen digest archives.

Dave has since located a 1900 map at the Library of Congress that listed
the town as Kreminzow and on the map as Hermaniszki.

Genealogy may be a difficult hobby for those who do not like working at
it, but I have found that through the warmth of our membership, it to be a
very rewarding past time.

Best regards,

Stephen A. Cohen
East Meadow NY

PS: I am researching the following families:

Germany: BAUM in Bosen; EISENKRAMER, MARX & LEFEVRE,
LEFEBRE: in Rhineland Palat//Belarus:BASIST in Lida Dist; SHINHAUS,
SHEINHOUS, SHEINHAUS,SHEINGAUS in Radoshkovichi, Molodechno
& Smorgon// Galicia: BIRNBAUM,GOLDBERG,LEINKRAM in Krakow;
SCHNEPS,SHNEPS,SZNEPS in Dembitz,Tarnow; GELLER:in Mielec; KREINDLER;
ECKSTEIN;


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kreminshok, Lida uezd of Belarus #general

Stephen A. Cohen
 

Name: Stephen A. Cohen (JewishGen #12106)
East Meadow NY (Long Island) - USA
E-mail: <gen@optonline.net> formerly <gen@nassau.cv.net>

A success story of what Jewishgen really means, warmth & cooperation!

In 1992, when I first started researching my families, I didn't even know
my original paternal family names of BASIST & SHEINHOUSE. Today I'm in
contact with over two hundred cousins many of whom, I know, my father never
knew.

Five years ago, I began searching for a town that my BASIST family
called Kremenshaw. My paternal grandmother Sophie, who settled in New York
City and her brother Samuel (who settled in Memphis, TN) told their
children that it was near Vilna which is now called Vilnius and is the
capital of Lithuania.

After frustrating searches through the available Jewishgen databases and
major libraries, inquiries were sent to Jewishgen's digest. Members
responded that they thought that it was in Poland, Ukraine, even Germany.

Listings in the JGFF (family finder) established contact with two
members Alma Cahn & Steve Sherman who were distant cousins to each other,
both researching GERMANSKY.

Steve had uncovered a very interesting fact that in the building that
the first GERMANSKI family lived in Brooklyn NY, also lived the family
of Wolf & Dora BASIST (Wolf was another brother). Since Steve knew that
his great grandmother's maiden name was Annie BASSIST, he naturally
assumed that they might be related. To this day we are still not positive
of that relationship.

However Steve also had evidence that the GERMANSKI family came from
Voronova in the Lida District of Belaus. As I had still not located my
much sought Kremenshaw, I joined the Lida Research group headed by Ellen
Sadove Renck.

The Vornova yizkor book listed several BASIST families as did several
other towns in that area. Then in 1998, Ellen made a startling find in the
1929 Business Directory - Nowogrodek Province.

This Polish business directory (Lida was part of the Grodno Gubernia
1919-1940) listed a previously unknown town Kreminshok at Latitude:
54 08'Longitude: 25 22'. Voronova was 2.3 miles WNW. This town was not
listed in Where Once We Walked.

What was even more startling was that the town was also called
Germanishki,which was so similar to Steve & Alma's family name of
GERMANSKI.

Recently after an exhausted search for his family town of Kreminchaw David
Harris, researching UMANSKY, found my original inquiry about Kremenshaw by
searching the Jewishgen digest archives.

Dave has since located a 1900 map at the Library of Congress that listed
the town as Kreminzow and on the map as Hermaniszki.

Genealogy may be a difficult hobby for those who do not like working at
it, but I have found that through the warmth of our membership, it to be a
very rewarding past time.

Best regards,

Stephen A. Cohen
East Meadow NY

PS: I am researching the following families:

Germany: BAUM in Bosen; EISENKRAMER, MARX & LEFEVRE,
LEFEBRE: in Rhineland Palat//Belarus:BASIST in Lida Dist; SHINHAUS,
SHEINHOUS, SHEINHAUS,SHEINGAUS in Radoshkovichi, Molodechno
& Smorgon// Galicia: BIRNBAUM,GOLDBERG,LEINKRAM in Krakow;
SCHNEPS,SHNEPS,SZNEPS in Dembitz,Tarnow; GELLER:in Mielec; KREINDLER;
ECKSTEIN;


Re: Name Changes before emigration from Ukraine... #ukraine

Jeff Knisbacher <jknisbac@...>
 

David,
Sorry for the late reply. I've been away for most of the last 5 weeks.
Interestingly our TISSENBAUM family was largely standardized to that
spelling here in the US. In Bedford, England, however, the more
Yiddish/Russian sounding TISINBOM was maintained. I do think that German
spelling was more prestigious over here, but am not sure about the
perception in Britain.

Jeff Knisbacher, Baltimore area

----- Original Message -----
From: David Goldman <davic@pop.erols.com>
To: Ukraine SIG <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 9:37 AM
Subject: Name Changes before emigration >from Ukraine...


In my research, it has come to my attention that my great-grandfather,
Elyokum Zvi GROBERMAN, had the original last name of KRASINSKY before the
family left Ukraine for Manchester England in 1891. Evidently, GRUBERMAN
(which later became GROBERMAN)was the last name of a relative. >from what I
understand, Jews specifically wanted to switch their last names from
Russian-sounding ones to German-sounding ones at a time when Britain and
Germany were allies against Russia. How frequent did this situation occur,
and do others have this tradition also about German and Russian-sounding
names?

David Goldman


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Name Changes before emigration from Ukraine... #ukraine

Jeff Knisbacher <jknisbac@...>
 

David,
Sorry for the late reply. I've been away for most of the last 5 weeks.
Interestingly our TISSENBAUM family was largely standardized to that
spelling here in the US. In Bedford, England, however, the more
Yiddish/Russian sounding TISINBOM was maintained. I do think that German
spelling was more prestigious over here, but am not sure about the
perception in Britain.

Jeff Knisbacher, Baltimore area

----- Original Message -----
From: David Goldman <davic@pop.erols.com>
To: Ukraine SIG <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 9:37 AM
Subject: Name Changes before emigration >from Ukraine...


In my research, it has come to my attention that my great-grandfather,
Elyokum Zvi GROBERMAN, had the original last name of KRASINSKY before the
family left Ukraine for Manchester England in 1891. Evidently, GRUBERMAN
(which later became GROBERMAN)was the last name of a relative. >from what I
understand, Jews specifically wanted to switch their last names from
Russian-sounding ones to German-sounding ones at a time when Britain and
Germany were allies against Russia. How frequent did this situation occur,
and do others have this tradition also about German and Russian-sounding
names?

David Goldman


Re: SIPERSTEIN - Orinin, Kamenets-Podolsk #ukraine

Jeff Knisbacher <jknisbac@...>
 

Hi Paul,
I have been out of the office for most of the last 5 weeks, which is
the reason for the delay in responding to you. We are very much interested
in SIPERSTEIN/SAPPERSTEIN >from Ukraine and nearbhy Khotin. In fact, I
suspect that I and Laurie Siperstein-Cook on the cc list above are the
people listed in JewishGen that you refer to. Any additional info you can
provide, with regard to either the Minneapolis or Israel connection, will
be greatly appreciated.

Jeff Knisbacher, Baltimore area

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Wolf <pwolf1@san.rr.com>
To: Ukraine SIG <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: SIPERSTEIN - Orinin, Kamenets-Podolsk


My pediatrician in Minneapolis, MN, who also took care of my oldest
daughter was David M. Siperstein. I know very little about his family
other
than he had a daughter, Eleanor, who was a medical researcher in Texas.

At 12:44 PM 9/16/2000 -0600, you wrote:
X-From_: bbrazy@sirius.com Fri Sep 15 22:29:20 2000
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:29:21 -0700
From: Betsy Brazy <bbrazy@sirius.com>
One of my surname researches is my maternal grandmother's branch, the
SIPERSTEINs of Pinsk. Yesterday I received email >from a woman, Suzy, in
Israel asking whether we might be related, as she knows of no other
SIPERSTEINs in Israel. I learned >from her note that she was >from Hotin
Basarabia and survived - along with her brother and parents -
concentration camps in the Ukraine.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: SIPERSTEIN - Orinin, Kamenets-Podolsk #ukraine

Jeff Knisbacher <jknisbac@...>
 

Hi Paul,
I have been out of the office for most of the last 5 weeks, which is
the reason for the delay in responding to you. We are very much interested
in SIPERSTEIN/SAPPERSTEIN >from Ukraine and nearbhy Khotin. In fact, I
suspect that I and Laurie Siperstein-Cook on the cc list above are the
people listed in JewishGen that you refer to. Any additional info you can
provide, with regard to either the Minneapolis or Israel connection, will
be greatly appreciated.

Jeff Knisbacher, Baltimore area

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Wolf <pwolf1@san.rr.com>
To: Ukraine SIG <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: SIPERSTEIN - Orinin, Kamenets-Podolsk


My pediatrician in Minneapolis, MN, who also took care of my oldest
daughter was David M. Siperstein. I know very little about his family
other
than he had a daughter, Eleanor, who was a medical researcher in Texas.

At 12:44 PM 9/16/2000 -0600, you wrote:
X-From_: bbrazy@sirius.com Fri Sep 15 22:29:20 2000
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:29:21 -0700
From: Betsy Brazy <bbrazy@sirius.com>
One of my surname researches is my maternal grandmother's branch, the
SIPERSTEINs of Pinsk. Yesterday I received email >from a woman, Suzy, in
Israel asking whether we might be related, as she knows of no other
SIPERSTEINs in Israel. I learned >from her note that she was >from Hotin
Basarabia and survived - along with her brother and parents -
concentration camps in the Ukraine.