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1919 Ohio Death Certificate Questions! #general

buffmufin
 

I just received in the mail a death certificate for a stillborn baby
born in Toledo, Ohio in 1919. In the space indicated for "Place of Burial,
cremation or removal" it is typed "Eagle Point" The undertaker is listed as
the father of the infant (who, in fact, was not an undertaker).

I cannot find any listings for an Eagle Point Cemetery, or any place
called Eagle Point in Ohio. If this is/was not a cemetery, does this mean
the deceased infant's remains were given to his father? And what is, or
what was, Eagle's Point?

Thanks in advance for any help!



Carol Kunkis Cohn
Newport Beach, CA

Searching:
KOSSOI/KOSSOY/KOSOFF - Vetka, Chechersk, Zagor'ye, Belarus;
SKOLNIKOF (and alternate) - Vetka, Belarus
KUNKIS - Glubokoye, Belarus
SCHRIER, PACHTER - Yarmolinits, Kam-Podolsk, Ukraine
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 1919 Ohio Death Certificate Questions! #general

buffmufin
 

I just received in the mail a death certificate for a stillborn baby
born in Toledo, Ohio in 1919. In the space indicated for "Place of Burial,
cremation or removal" it is typed "Eagle Point" The undertaker is listed as
the father of the infant (who, in fact, was not an undertaker).

I cannot find any listings for an Eagle Point Cemetery, or any place
called Eagle Point in Ohio. If this is/was not a cemetery, does this mean
the deceased infant's remains were given to his father? And what is, or
what was, Eagle's Point?

Thanks in advance for any help!



Carol Kunkis Cohn
Newport Beach, CA

Searching:
KOSSOI/KOSSOY/KOSOFF - Vetka, Chechersk, Zagor'ye, Belarus;
SKOLNIKOF (and alternate) - Vetka, Belarus
KUNKIS - Glubokoye, Belarus
SCHRIER, PACHTER - Yarmolinits, Kam-Podolsk, Ukraine
Name changes and Posting #ukraine

mjssds@...
 

A. We have a moderator who can make the call if the post is wasteful or
not. I believe we should welcome new searchers and help them along as has
been the case on this site As I expand my search to my wife's family I
have found the other sites really cooperative, Romanaia for example,
where I am starting fresh.
I for one have made contact a cousin's brother in law and he has been a
truly great resource in teaming with me in my search.

B. This is not a flame but my grandfather's name and my father and GMs
names were spelled differently on their respective ship's manifests of
which I have copies. So at a minimum we know the shipping companies were
not models of consistency and certainly did not have standard approaches.
In the USA people registering our ancestors as you have said did not have
the "authority" to change names and according to what I was told were
often immigrants themselves. If you think there weren't misspellings and
mistakes, bad copying etc., purposeful or not,and if you think that the
average immigrant was going to challenge authority that could send them
back, it is simply not the case. So, bottom line, you're right no
authority to do so, but somehow it happened nevertheless, I'll blame
fatigue and human error. Sort of like what happens when you count votes
manaually:-).

Stephen Sperman
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Name changes and Posting #ukraine

mjssds@...
 

A. We have a moderator who can make the call if the post is wasteful or
not. I believe we should welcome new searchers and help them along as has
been the case on this site As I expand my search to my wife's family I
have found the other sites really cooperative, Romanaia for example,
where I am starting fresh.
I for one have made contact a cousin's brother in law and he has been a
truly great resource in teaming with me in my search.

B. This is not a flame but my grandfather's name and my father and GMs
names were spelled differently on their respective ship's manifests of
which I have copies. So at a minimum we know the shipping companies were
not models of consistency and certainly did not have standard approaches.
In the USA people registering our ancestors as you have said did not have
the "authority" to change names and according to what I was told were
often immigrants themselves. If you think there weren't misspellings and
mistakes, bad copying etc., purposeful or not,and if you think that the
average immigrant was going to challenge authority that could send them
back, it is simply not the case. So, bottom line, you're right no
authority to do so, but somehow it happened nevertheless, I'll blame
fatigue and human error. Sort of like what happens when you count votes
manaually:-).

Stephen Sperman
Re: Questions posted here #ukraine

JGLois@...
 

Cheryl Kantor wrote:> "How about taking advantage of everything,
including throwing out the names on the net just to see what happens?"


Cheryl, (and others who are new to Jewish genealogy)

Of course you are correct. But, you will notice that I prefaced my
message by saying "If you are serious about finding your family
history." . . . As we both know, this pursuit is more intense than
a casual "fishing" expedition. The postings to which I made comment
are the ones that are tantamount to the request for "my file" . . . . .
which reminds me.

You might get a kick out of "A Jewish Genealogic Fable" posted to
Jewishgen by one of it's great contributors, Dan Leeson, way back
in it's formative years.

http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/dlfable.txt

Enjoy!
Lois Sernoff <JGLois@aol.com>
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Questions posted here #ukraine

JGLois@...
 

Cheryl Kantor wrote:> "How about taking advantage of everything,
including throwing out the names on the net just to see what happens?"


Cheryl, (and others who are new to Jewish genealogy)

Of course you are correct. But, you will notice that I prefaced my
message by saying "If you are serious about finding your family
history." . . . As we both know, this pursuit is more intense than
a casual "fishing" expedition. The postings to which I made comment
are the ones that are tantamount to the request for "my file" . . . . .
which reminds me.

You might get a kick out of "A Jewish Genealogic Fable" posted to
Jewishgen by one of it's great contributors, Dan Leeson, way back
in it's formative years.

http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/dlfable.txt

Enjoy!
Lois Sernoff <JGLois@aol.com>
Re: Questions posted here #ukraine

JLowenkron@...
 

Dear Deborah,
Please dont get discouraged or feel very hurt by one persons'
response.........we all have to ask very basic questions in the beginning and
I feel that those of us who are more experienced should be more kindly in
our responses to those who are just starting out......sharing information is
the very crux of a discussion group and hurting feelings the very
antithesis........Jane Lowenkron Foss
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Questions posted here #ukraine

JLowenkron@...
 

Dear Deborah,
Please dont get discouraged or feel very hurt by one persons'
response.........we all have to ask very basic questions in the beginning and
I feel that those of us who are more experienced should be more kindly in
our responses to those who are just starting out......sharing information is
the very crux of a discussion group and hurting feelings the very
antithesis........Jane Lowenkron Foss
STOURM #general

samuel kerjbaum <samk080@...>
 

I'm doing some geanological research. The father of my great grand father
came >from Galicia to France in 1880, his name was Jacob STOURM that's the
french spelling . Do someone know what the original one was?
thank you for your help
Surnames and places #general

IRSWED <irswed@...>
 

KOSTETSKY, KOSTEL, KOSS, JOSEPH, WOVCHUCK, YUDKOVSKY,KOFSKY,
EISENBERG,SAVITT,SERVETNICK,SARVETNICK,SARAVETNICK,
PLITNICK,PERELMAN,KISS,BROUDY,KLAVIR,ROMASIH,ROMAISK,EDWARD,SCHALAND,ROSEN.

Places: Kremenec,Shepatevka,Belarus,Sverdlovsk,Shmisk(?).

TIA, Irene Swedroe, IRSWED@aol.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Please list your names in the JGFF at
< http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/ >.
Re: The given name Leyb #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Alexander Sharon wrote:

Leyb is Yiddish for Hebrew Arye (others: Leon, Lion, Lew, Lev). I do not
aware of the direct connection to Yehuda, but this used to be a common
combination in the double name: LeybYuda.

The connection between Leyb and Yehuda is the Lion of Judah-the symbol of
the tribe- so Judah-Yehuda and Lion-Leyb go together.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY
Re: Success with an Indifferent Relative #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

I have often called unknown relatives and had a lot of success. I
always make sure to point out that my grandmother was ...and that is
your brother's wife's whatever-if I know. I also say how I got their
name and phone number-either >from someone they are related to or through
a phonebook. By the time I have given them the information and offered
more, I have never had any problem with people thinking I am stealing
their identity-I make sure that I give them a lot and promise more.

I have sent out many copies of pictures and descendency charts to show
that I know what I am talking about.

I talked to one man near Boston who was a fourth cousin. That branch
had changed the family name, and I mentioned that there were other
family members in a nearby town who had also changed the family name to
something else. The patriarch of that family had an odd first name,
when I mentioned it the first man said he was playing golf with the
second man's son the next day! I said to tell him that they are
cousins!

I have often gotten further people to call >from the first contact, so I
mention that so-and-so said that I should call. People often know of a
relative that knows much more than they themselves do.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY
Re: Nazi era stamp on Austrian marriage #general

Dick Plotz
 

Sally Bruckheimer wrote:

The information stamped on Nazi German "Empire" certificates is a notice
that all Jewish men are named Israel and women are named Sara-it
officially takes away the first names which the people were actually
given.
This is a common misconception, but is not strictly true. The name "Israel"
or "Sara" was given as an "additional" name, and Nazi-era documents dated
after the addition of the name generally include both the original and the
added name, e.g., "Alfred Israel Cohn". I have seen notations of the name
addition on many birth certificates, and in one or two cases the notation
specified the position of the added name, whether as first or second name.
Apparently the order could be and sometimes was interpreted in such a way as
to allow this choice.

These notations are useful for genealogy in that they establish the presence
of the individual, alive and in Germany, on the date of the notation, as the
person had to appear at the original registry office in person to carry out
the order.

The added names were removed upon order of the occupation authorities, and
in some cases the birth record includes a formal notation of the removal.
Unfortunately, these notations, which I have seen dated as late as 1960,
have no genealogical significance at all, as I have seen them on records of
people I know >from family members to have perished.

Dick Plotz
Providence RI USA
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen STOURM #general

samuel kerjbaum <samk080@...>
 

I'm doing some geanological research. The father of my great grand father
came >from Galicia to France in 1880, his name was Jacob STOURM that's the
french spelling . Do someone know what the original one was?
thank you for your help
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Surnames and places #general

IRSWED <irswed@...>
 

KOSTETSKY, KOSTEL, KOSS, JOSEPH, WOVCHUCK, YUDKOVSKY,KOFSKY,
EISENBERG,SAVITT,SERVETNICK,SARVETNICK,SARAVETNICK,
PLITNICK,PERELMAN,KISS,BROUDY,KLAVIR,ROMASIH,ROMAISK,EDWARD,SCHALAND,ROSEN.

Places: Kremenec,Shepatevka,Belarus,Sverdlovsk,Shmisk(?).

TIA, Irene Swedroe, IRSWED@aol.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Please list your names in the JGFF at
< http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/ >.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The given name Leyb #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Alexander Sharon wrote:

Leyb is Yiddish for Hebrew Arye (others: Leon, Lion, Lew, Lev). I do not
aware of the direct connection to Yehuda, but this used to be a common
combination in the double name: LeybYuda.

The connection between Leyb and Yehuda is the Lion of Judah-the symbol of
the tribe- so Judah-Yehuda and Lion-Leyb go together.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Success with an Indifferent Relative #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

I have often called unknown relatives and had a lot of success. I
always make sure to point out that my grandmother was ...and that is
your brother's wife's whatever-if I know. I also say how I got their
name and phone number-either >from someone they are related to or through
a phonebook. By the time I have given them the information and offered
more, I have never had any problem with people thinking I am stealing
their identity-I make sure that I give them a lot and promise more.

I have sent out many copies of pictures and descendency charts to show
that I know what I am talking about.

I talked to one man near Boston who was a fourth cousin. That branch
had changed the family name, and I mentioned that there were other
family members in a nearby town who had also changed the family name to
something else. The patriarch of that family had an odd first name,
when I mentioned it the first man said he was playing golf with the
second man's son the next day! I said to tell him that they are
cousins!

I have often gotten further people to call >from the first contact, so I
mention that so-and-so said that I should call. People often know of a
relative that knows much more than they themselves do.

Sally Bruckheimer
Buffalo, NY
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Nazi era stamp on Austrian marriage #general

Dick Plotz
 

Sally Bruckheimer wrote:

The information stamped on Nazi German "Empire" certificates is a notice
that all Jewish men are named Israel and women are named Sara-it
officially takes away the first names which the people were actually
given.
This is a common misconception, but is not strictly true. The name "Israel"
or "Sara" was given as an "additional" name, and Nazi-era documents dated
after the addition of the name generally include both the original and the
added name, e.g., "Alfred Israel Cohn". I have seen notations of the name
addition on many birth certificates, and in one or two cases the notation
specified the position of the added name, whether as first or second name.
Apparently the order could be and sometimes was interpreted in such a way as
to allow this choice.

These notations are useful for genealogy in that they establish the presence
of the individual, alive and in Germany, on the date of the notation, as the
person had to appear at the original registry office in person to carry out
the order.

The added names were removed upon order of the occupation authorities, and
in some cases the birth record includes a formal notation of the removal.
Unfortunately, these notations, which I have seen dated as late as 1960,
have no genealogical significance at all, as I have seen them on records of
people I know >from family members to have perished.

Dick Plotz
Providence RI USA
Response to Request for Austrian holocaust victim Asset File #hungary

Ed Zwieback <ezwiebac@...>
 

On Dec. 10, 1999, I wrote the suggested form letter to request a copy of the
Austrian holocaust victim Asset File for a cousin who lived in Vienna and
was deported . I never heard anything back. Thanks to recent info from
Randy Schoenberg, I sent an e-mail to Dr. Hubert Steiner
(h.steiner@chello.at) on Nov.11, 2000 repeating my request of Dec. 10,
1999. On Nov. 18, I received a reply as follows:

Dear Mr. Zwieback,
I don't know why I didn't get your letter.
Anyway yesterday I ordered to make copies of the record of Josefine Schwarz
and you'll get them within the next weeks without any charges.
Best regrds >from Vienna.
Yours, Dr. Hubert Steiner

I did receive the file on Dec.5 through the regular mail.
Regards,
Ed Zwieback
Long Beach, CA
ZWIEBACK Family Name Web Site at http://home1.gte.net/ezwiebac/





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Hungary SIG #Hungary Response to Request for Austrian holocaust victim Asset File #hungary

Ed Zwieback <ezwiebac@...>
 

On Dec. 10, 1999, I wrote the suggested form letter to request a copy of the
Austrian holocaust victim Asset File for a cousin who lived in Vienna and
was deported . I never heard anything back. Thanks to recent info from
Randy Schoenberg, I sent an e-mail to Dr. Hubert Steiner
(h.steiner@chello.at) on Nov.11, 2000 repeating my request of Dec. 10,
1999. On Nov. 18, I received a reply as follows:

Dear Mr. Zwieback,
I don't know why I didn't get your letter.
Anyway yesterday I ordered to make copies of the record of Josefine Schwarz
and you'll get them within the next weeks without any charges.
Best regrds >from Vienna.
Yours, Dr. Hubert Steiner

I did receive the file on Dec.5 through the regular mail.
Regards,
Ed Zwieback
Long Beach, CA
ZWIEBACK Family Name Web Site at http://home1.gte.net/ezwiebac/





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