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Re: Female name - Nutta ? (Update) #ukraine

Don Solomon
 

At 6:54 PM -0500 11/30/01, Don Solomon wrote:

It might well be the same as my grandmother's name, Nessie (or
Nessa) -- which was changed to Genessa in Russian and Nettie in
English. I don't have the Hebrew/Yiddish spelling available at the
moment.
Update: I found the tombstone photo and it shows
"nun-vav-samech-aleph." Not a match, unless whoever placed the
tombstone order was a bad speller.

--
--
Don Solomon <dsolomon@post.harvard.edu>
Boston, MA USA
Searching: NIMOY, DRUTIN, KATZ (Izyaslav, Volhynia Gub., Ukr.)
SOLOMON, JOSEPH, CAHANE, SEGAL (Iasi, Rom.)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Female name - Nutta ? (Update) #ukraine

Don Solomon
 

At 6:54 PM -0500 11/30/01, Don Solomon wrote:

It might well be the same as my grandmother's name, Nessie (or
Nessa) -- which was changed to Genessa in Russian and Nettie in
English. I don't have the Hebrew/Yiddish spelling available at the
moment.
Update: I found the tombstone photo and it shows
"nun-vav-samech-aleph." Not a match, unless whoever placed the
tombstone order was a bad speller.

--
--
Don Solomon <dsolomon@post.harvard.edu>
Boston, MA USA
Searching: NIMOY, DRUTIN, KATZ (Izyaslav, Volhynia Gub., Ukr.)
SOLOMON, JOSEPH, CAHANE, SEGAL (Iasi, Rom.)


Re: Very good book on Ukraine #ukraine

Larry Katkin <larryk@...>
 

Hi Sandra:
It looks like a really great book. After reading your e-mail I went to
Amazon.com and purchased one for $19.95. They also had two used copies for
12.95.
Larry

----- Original Message -----
Having researched many books on the pogroms in the Ukraine, I have yet to
find information on the shtetl Ratno. >snip< I would
like to share information on one published in 1999: that I found very
informative. "A Prayer for the Government: Ukrainian and Jews in
Revolutionary Times 1917-1920" by Henry Abramson, Harvard Un. Press.
Unlike
the earlier books, this has an index and a very extensive bibliography.
With the passage of some 80 years, the book gives a much broader
interpretation of the events following the WWI. Again, I was able to get
the book on an interlibrary loan.

Sandra G. Shapiro, Wilsonville, OR


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Very good book on Ukraine #ukraine

Larry Katkin <larryk@...>
 

Hi Sandra:
It looks like a really great book. After reading your e-mail I went to
Amazon.com and purchased one for $19.95. They also had two used copies for
12.95.
Larry

----- Original Message -----
Having researched many books on the pogroms in the Ukraine, I have yet to
find information on the shtetl Ratno. >snip< I would
like to share information on one published in 1999: that I found very
informative. "A Prayer for the Government: Ukrainian and Jews in
Revolutionary Times 1917-1920" by Henry Abramson, Harvard Un. Press.
Unlike
the earlier books, this has an index and a very extensive bibliography.
With the passage of some 80 years, the book gives a much broader
interpretation of the events following the WWI. Again, I was able to get
the book on an interlibrary loan.

Sandra G. Shapiro, Wilsonville, OR


Re: A city in Ukraine #general

Jo Schwartz <joschwartz@...>
 

Daniel,

Although it doesn't match the letters, I'd go with the town of Rafalowka,
which when pronounced, had that Rach sound in the beginning. I can't
explain what looks like a "y" near the end, but perhaps that was a variant
for the town. I know that town name is a difficult one to hear and
transcribe, since my ancestors are >from there. It took me a year before the
few people who had hear the older generation pronounce it told me I had come
pretty close.

One problem with my guess is that Rafalowka is not very near Kiev.

jo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Kazez" <dkazez@mail.wittenberg.edu>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 01:06 PM
Subject: [ukraine] A city in Ukraine

A town in Ukraine has me stumped. I have 5 examples of it written by
hand (New York City passenger arrivals):

http://www.kazez.com/~dan/1129-erdal/1130.rach.gif

Family lore says it is "near Kiev."

My eyes tell me it is one of these towns:

Rashwelowke
Rachualowka
Rachvebalovke
Rachwalenka
Rachwalewke
Rachwalinke
Rachwalowka
Rachwalowka
Rachwalowke
Rachwalufka
Racherlawby

Can you help read this town, and figure out where it is?

Daniel
Daniel Kazez <dkazez@mail.wittenberg.edu


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: A city in Ukraine #ukraine

Jo Schwartz <joschwartz@...>
 

Daniel,

Although it doesn't match the letters, I'd go with the town of Rafalowka,
which when pronounced, had that Rach sound in the beginning. I can't
explain what looks like a "y" near the end, but perhaps that was a variant
for the town. I know that town name is a difficult one to hear and
transcribe, since my ancestors are >from there. It took me a year before the
few people who had hear the older generation pronounce it told me I had come
pretty close.

One problem with my guess is that Rafalowka is not very near Kiev.

jo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Kazez" <dkazez@mail.wittenberg.edu>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 01:06 PM
Subject: [ukraine] A city in Ukraine

A town in Ukraine has me stumped. I have 5 examples of it written by
hand (New York City passenger arrivals):

http://www.kazez.com/~dan/1129-erdal/1130.rach.gif

Family lore says it is "near Kiev."

My eyes tell me it is one of these towns:

Rashwelowke
Rachualowka
Rachvebalovke
Rachwalenka
Rachwalewke
Rachwalinke
Rachwalowka
Rachwalowka
Rachwalowke
Rachwalufka
Racherlawby

Can you help read this town, and figure out where it is?

Daniel
Daniel Kazez <dkazez@mail.wittenberg.edu


Re: Female name - Nutta ? #galicia

Don Solomon
 


From: "Fran Segall" <Fran_Segall@netzero.net>


I've heard of the name Nuta or Nutta, but only for a male (often winds up
as something like Nathan).

Any thoughts on what this female Yiddish/Hebrew name could be, or what it
might have become in English?

It might well be the same as my grandmother's name, Nessie (or Nessa)
-- which was changed to Genessa in Russian and Nettie in English. I
don't have the Hebrew/Yiddish spelling available at the moment.


--
--
Don Solomon <dsolomon@post.harvard.edu>
Boston, MA USA
Searching: NIMOY, DRUTIN, KATZ (Izyaslav, Volhynia Gub., Ukr.)
SOLOMON, JOSEPH, CAHANE, SEGAL (Iasi, Rom.)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Female name - Nutta ? #ukraine

Don Solomon
 


From: "Fran Segall" <Fran_Segall@netzero.net>


I've heard of the name Nuta or Nutta, but only for a male (often winds up
as something like Nathan).

Any thoughts on what this female Yiddish/Hebrew name could be, or what it
might have become in English?

It might well be the same as my grandmother's name, Nessie (or Nessa)
-- which was changed to Genessa in Russian and Nettie in English. I
don't have the Hebrew/Yiddish spelling available at the moment.


--
--
Don Solomon <dsolomon@post.harvard.edu>
Boston, MA USA
Searching: NIMOY, DRUTIN, KATZ (Izyaslav, Volhynia Gub., Ukr.)
SOLOMON, JOSEPH, CAHANE, SEGAL (Iasi, Rom.)


Re: Book "A Prayer for the Government" by Abramson Henry #ukraine

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

It can be found in Israel at the following university libraries -
Tel-Aviv, Haif, Hebrew U and the National Library and I think the original
PhD thesis >from 1995 is at Bar-Ilan.

Rose Feldman

rosef@post.tau.ac.il
EPSTEIN/BOYARSKY Amstiveva, Mstibov or Mstibovo or Mscibow (Belarus);
Ruzhany or maybe Rozhno; Petach Tikvah, Chicago, Argentine
GITNER/LULKIN/REZNIK Litin (Lityn) Ukraine,Kalinovka Ukraine, Israel,
Chicago
ILEWICKI/ILIWITSKY/ELEVITSKY Kusava Grodno Belarus
TREPMAN/SOJCHER/SLOVIK Warsaw, Israel
FELDMAN/LICHT Warsaw, Israel


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Book "A Prayer for the Government" by Abramson Henry #ukraine

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

It can be found in Israel at the following university libraries -
Tel-Aviv, Haif, Hebrew U and the National Library and I think the original
PhD thesis >from 1995 is at Bar-Ilan.

Rose Feldman

rosef@post.tau.ac.il
EPSTEIN/BOYARSKY Amstiveva, Mstibov or Mstibovo or Mscibow (Belarus);
Ruzhany or maybe Rozhno; Petach Tikvah, Chicago, Argentine
GITNER/LULKIN/REZNIK Litin (Lityn) Ukraine,Kalinovka Ukraine, Israel,
Chicago
ILEWICKI/ILIWITSKY/ELEVITSKY Kusava Grodno Belarus
TREPMAN/SOJCHER/SLOVIK Warsaw, Israel
FELDMAN/LICHT Warsaw, Israel


Where Is Yazov? #ukraine

Harvey & Helen Levin <helenharv@...>
 

Greetings Genners:
I came across an obituary notice (written some years ago) related to my
paternal grandmother. It stated that she came >from an area of the Pale that
was listed as "Yazov colony." I gather that the author of the notice
probably was referring to a particular shtetl. I tried inputting Yazov in
the Shtetl-Finder and the closest name it gave was Zahshkov. Somehow I
don't believe that answer is correct. If anyone is able to shed additional
light on my query, I would appreciate a communication. You can respond
privately:
HelenHarv@hotmail.com

Thank you,
Harvey Levin
Huntington Beach,CA

Searching: CHANSON, LEVIN, LEVINE, LEWIN, SASLOW, SASLOVSKY, TORGOVITSKY,
and NOZICK


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Where Is Yazov? #ukraine

Harvey & Helen Levin <helenharv@...>
 

Greetings Genners:
I came across an obituary notice (written some years ago) related to my
paternal grandmother. It stated that she came >from an area of the Pale that
was listed as "Yazov colony." I gather that the author of the notice
probably was referring to a particular shtetl. I tried inputting Yazov in
the Shtetl-Finder and the closest name it gave was Zahshkov. Somehow I
don't believe that answer is correct. If anyone is able to shed additional
light on my query, I would appreciate a communication. You can respond
privately:
HelenHarv@hotmail.com

Thank you,
Harvey Levin
Huntington Beach,CA

Searching: CHANSON, LEVIN, LEVINE, LEWIN, SASLOW, SASLOVSKY, TORGOVITSKY,
and NOZICK


Calling all Khersonites! #ukraine

Bob <rjalexand@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I've been reading messages on this board for many months and do not recall
anyone but myself whose ancestors came >from Kherson or Cherson which is a
Black Sea port city located at the mouth of the Dnieper River.

I conclude >from this that the Jewish population of the city at the turn of
the 20th century was small. My mother, SADA MEHLMAN, was about 8 or ten when
she left there in 1903-5 with her mother, DORA BELSKY MEHLMAN, and older
siblings ANNA and JACK [or ISAAC] for Germany >from where they emigrated to
Detroit and later Toledo, Ohio.

Her father, MORRIS or MOSES MEHLMAN, had emigrated to Detroit a year or two
earlier >from the Mediterranean port of Trieste--according to a kind Genner
who found his name for me recently on the Ellis Island data base.

I am thinking that if there were so few Jews in Kherson in those days, they
must have all either known one another well or even been related.

So I would like to hear the family stories of any Genners who trace their
ancestors there.



--Bob Alexander

tracing MEHLMAN, SOKOLOV, VOLKHOV in the Ukraine, esp. KHERSON, NIKOLAEV,
KISHINEV and ODESSA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Calling all Khersonites! #ukraine

Bob <rjalexand@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I've been reading messages on this board for many months and do not recall
anyone but myself whose ancestors came >from Kherson or Cherson which is a
Black Sea port city located at the mouth of the Dnieper River.

I conclude >from this that the Jewish population of the city at the turn of
the 20th century was small. My mother, SADA MEHLMAN, was about 8 or ten when
she left there in 1903-5 with her mother, DORA BELSKY MEHLMAN, and older
siblings ANNA and JACK [or ISAAC] for Germany >from where they emigrated to
Detroit and later Toledo, Ohio.

Her father, MORRIS or MOSES MEHLMAN, had emigrated to Detroit a year or two
earlier >from the Mediterranean port of Trieste--according to a kind Genner
who found his name for me recently on the Ellis Island data base.

I am thinking that if there were so few Jews in Kherson in those days, they
must have all either known one another well or even been related.

So I would like to hear the family stories of any Genners who trace their
ancestors there.



--Bob Alexander

tracing MEHLMAN, SOKOLOV, VOLKHOV in the Ukraine, esp. KHERSON, NIKOLAEV,
KISHINEV and ODESSA


Re: chuna #general

Searl, Marjorie <msearl@...>
 

I have another perspective to offer on the name Chuna. My grandfather
was called Chuna - there is some question in the family as to whether or
not he was named for someone named Chana, and this was considered to be
a masculine-enough version. HIs English name was Hyman, but I never
heard a soul refer to him by that name. Growing up in the North End and
West End of Boston, many of his friends were Irish and Italian, and to
them, the name Chuna sounded like Honey. So Honey he became, and was
known and loved by one and all as Honey Manevitch, later Honey Mann.
(Again, Honey is a name that we would assume to be female but in this
case, was male).

Marjorie Searl
msearl@mag.rochester.edu


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: chuna #general

Searl, Marjorie <msearl@...>
 

I have another perspective to offer on the name Chuna. My grandfather
was called Chuna - there is some question in the family as to whether or
not he was named for someone named Chana, and this was considered to be
a masculine-enough version. HIs English name was Hyman, but I never
heard a soul refer to him by that name. Growing up in the North End and
West End of Boston, many of his friends were Irish and Italian, and to
them, the name Chuna sounded like Honey. So Honey he became, and was
known and loved by one and all as Honey Manevitch, later Honey Mann.
(Again, Honey is a name that we would assume to be female but in this
case, was male).

Marjorie Searl
msearl@mag.rochester.edu


Re: Signing Off - Repository for Family Info? #general

Mervin Rosenbaum <mervinr@...>
 

In 1997, I sent a family tree to the American Jewish Archives at 3101
Clifton Avenue, Cincinnati, Ohio 45220-2488. You might check to see
if they still want such informtion.

Jean Rosenbaum
Baytown, TX


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Signing Off - Repository for Family Info? #general

Mervin Rosenbaum <mervinr@...>
 

In 1997, I sent a family tree to the American Jewish Archives at 3101
Clifton Avenue, Cincinnati, Ohio 45220-2488. You might check to see
if they still want such informtion.

Jean Rosenbaum
Baytown, TX


ViewMate 1086: Hebrew-Yiddish Biographical Dictionary Article #general

purple.ice@...
 

I would very much appreciate it if someone could
translate an article about my second cousin David
Pliskin, the Yiddish poet/writer, now on display at
ViewMate:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

The direct address is:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1086.html

Please respond directly to me.

Thanks in advance,
Nancy Maxwell
Grapevine, Texas USA
purple.ice@worldnet.att.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate 1086: Hebrew-Yiddish Biographical Dictionary Article #general

purple.ice@...
 

I would very much appreciate it if someone could
translate an article about my second cousin David
Pliskin, the Yiddish poet/writer, now on display at
ViewMate:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

The direct address is:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1086.html

Please respond directly to me.

Thanks in advance,
Nancy Maxwell
Grapevine, Texas USA
purple.ice@worldnet.att.net