Just returned >from the 2002 International Jewish Genealogical
Conference in Toronto, Canada. Gained some invaluable insights
including some that may be of special interest to individuals in
the UK whose ancestors either immigrated into Canada or the
U.S.A. There were lectures on Ellis Island, ship manifests,
immigration into Canada >from Europe and elsewhere, and passenger
crossings (i.e., of immigrants crossing the Canadian border into
the U.S.), etc., etc.

One thing I learned even before going to the conference was that
immigration records in Canada are available, at this time at least,
only up to 1935. This leaves me out in the cold, since my father's
cousin Willie KIJAWSKI/KUJAWSKI and his wife Regina would not have
arrived in Canada (if not the U.S.) >from Poland via England until
just before the war.

The Reference Library in Toronto (on Yong Street - 4th Floor,
Special Collections) has an excellent, if distinctly dog-eared,
collection of city (as well as phone) books for major towns in
Canada dating back to at least the turn of the 20th century.
Fortunately some of the earlier city directories have been preserved
on microfiche and are available to the public. I plowed through
the records for the years 1938 - 1946 looking the surname
KUJAWSKI/KYJAWSKI, unfortunately without avail. But it was a good
"learning experience," as Americans like to say!

Apparently Ontario received the highest proportion of Holocaust
survivors after the war. The Ontario Jewish Archives (in Toronto)
is an excellent resource on immigration into Canada. Offerings
include Volumes I - VII of Immigration Case Files. In the back of
Volumes IV - VII at least (I didn't have time to review the other
volumes) include an inventory of all of the immigration files by
individual, i.e., by Case File No. and name of the immigrant's
sponsor. This is a little discouraging for the eager genealogist
looking for the name of an ancestor! If, however, if one knows
(or suspects) that one's ancestor had a relative of the same surname
in Canada, then the likelihood of being able to trace his/her
records is more promising. While scanning through thousands of
entries (indices) I came across two for a sponsor with the same
name as the woman sitting next to me at the table! (I should be
so lucky!) For e.g., I came across one entry as follows:

File #2838: Schorr, Marjem, FELDER, Rabbi Gordon

A Morris SHORN (or SCHORR, or variants thereof) was witness to
my maternal grandmother Sarah Rachel ROSE (nee SAFIRSTEIN) who
is buried in the Western Cemetery in North London.

All of the actual case files are housed at the Canadian Jewish
Congress National Archives, 1590 Avenue, Docteur Penfield,
Montreal, Quebec H3G1C5: www.cjc.ca. I've been informed that
most of our ancestors who arrived at ports on the Eastern Seaboard
of Canada settled in Montreal, Toronto, Quebec, and Ottawa, the
latter having gained the largest Jewish population since the
1940's. (I assumed >from that somewhat ambiguous remark meaning
since 1945).

The Robarts Library (also in Toronto) has a collection of ghetto
lists, including those >from Lodz. These are contained in several
volumes. The tour-sponsored visit to this library was short so
I was not able to take advantage of its other resources for the
Jewish genealogist.

While on the subject of Lodz, JRI-Poland, one of the chief
presenters at the conference, is calling for volunteers to input
the thousands of names and particulars of the Lodz ghetto residents.
This will be a valuable resource for Jewish genealogists in the UK
and elsewhere whose ancestors may have been in the Lodz ghetto.
(If interested in participating, check the Lodz (LARG) SIG list.)

What I've written is just a sampling of what I, as a 2nd generation
Anglo-Polish Jew, learned at the conference in Toronto.

One thing that was stressed at the conference was that nothing we
may have been told by well-meaning relatives about our ancestors

from "The Old Country" was necessarily true -- including their names

(first, middle and last); age, marital status, or place of birth
(domicile). Our ancestors sometimes "acquired" passports or exit
visas >from other Jews in the Old Country before emigrating thereby
assuming someone else's identity. In addition, his/her age may
have been given as older or younger, for different reasons (to
obtain employment, improve marriage prospects, or out of vanity,
etc.). So don't believe what you read on a marriage or death
certificate or even tombstone! In addition, stories that still
circulate about the names of our ancestors being changed by
immigration officials at the port of entry (to the U.S., at least)
are not true (boobameise - old wives' tales). Passenger lists were
prepared by the ship's captain prior to embarkation. These were
given to immigration officials by the ship's captain at the port
of entry and used to identify and record the names of arriving
passengers.

Two lectures at the conference pertaining to naming conventions
and how to read/interpret inscriptions (in Hebrew) on tombstones
were also of particular interest.

Hats off to all of the good (talented, tireless and hard-working)
people who put together this wonderful convention!

Naidia Woolf
San Francisco, CA (formerly >from Birmingham, England)
rnwoolf@earthlink.net

Researching: KIJAWSKI/KUJAWSKI, Lodz, Poland; DROZDIAS/DROSDASH/
RAUS, Karczew, Poland; SAFIRSTEIN (or variants), Karczew, Poland;
ISAACS (family of Solomon and Sarah of Birmingham, England),
formerly Poland, town unknown; SHORN/SHORR/SCHORR (family of
Morris and Yetta of London, England), formerly Poland, town unknown

Just returned >from the 2002 International Jewish Genealogical
Conference in Toronto, Canada. Gained some invaluable insights
including some that may be of special interest to individuals in
the UK whose ancestors either immigrated into Canada or the
U.S.A. There were lectures on Ellis Island, ship manifests,
immigration into Canada >from Europe and elsewhere, and passenger
crossings (i.e., of immigrants crossing the Canadian border into
the U.S.), etc., etc.

One thing I learned even before going to the conference was that
immigration records in Canada are available, at this time at least,
only up to 1935. This leaves me out in the cold, since my father's
cousin Willie KIJAWSKI/KUJAWSKI and his wife Regina would not have
arrived in Canada (if not the U.S.) >from Poland via England until
just before the war.

The Reference Library in Toronto (on Yong Street - 4th Floor,
Special Collections) has an excellent, if distinctly dog-eared,
collection of city (as well as phone) books for major towns in
Canada dating back to at least the turn of the 20th century.
Fortunately some of the earlier city directories have been preserved
on microfiche and are available to the public. I plowed through
the records for the years 1938 - 1946 looking the surname
KUJAWSKI/KYJAWSKI, unfortunately without avail. But it was a good
"learning experience," as Americans like to say!

Apparently Ontario received the highest proportion of Holocaust
survivors after the war. The Ontario Jewish Archives (in Toronto)
is an excellent resource on immigration into Canada. Offerings
include Volumes I - VII of Immigration Case Files. In the back of
Volumes IV - VII at least (I didn't have time to review the other
volumes) include an inventory of all of the immigration files by
individual, i.e., by Case File No. and name of the immigrant's
sponsor. This is a little discouraging for the eager genealogist
looking for the name of an ancestor! If, however, if one knows
(or suspects) that one's ancestor had a relative of the same surname
in Canada, then the likelihood of being able to trace his/her
records is more promising. While scanning through thousands of
entries (indices) I came across two for a sponsor with the same
name as the woman sitting next to me at the table! (I should be
so lucky!) For e.g., I came across one entry as follows:

File #2838: Schorr, Marjem, FELDER, Rabbi Gordon

A Morris SHORN (or SCHORR, or variants thereof) was witness to
my maternal grandmother Sarah Rachel ROSE (nee SAFIRSTEIN) who
is buried in the Western Cemetery in North London.

All of the actual case files are housed at the Canadian Jewish
Congress National Archives, 1590 Avenue, Docteur Penfield,
Montreal, Quebec H3G1C5: www.cjc.ca. I've been informed that
most of our ancestors who arrived at ports on the Eastern Seaboard
of Canada settled in Montreal, Toronto, Quebec, and Ottawa, the
latter having gained the largest Jewish population since the
1940's. (I assumed >from that somewhat ambiguous remark meaning
since 1945).

The Robarts Library (also in Toronto) has a collection of ghetto
lists, including those >from Lodz. These are contained in several
volumes. The tour-sponsored visit to this library was short so
I was not able to take advantage of its other resources for the
Jewish genealogist.

While on the subject of Lodz, JRI-Poland, one of the chief
presenters at the conference, is calling for volunteers to input
the thousands of names and particulars of the Lodz ghetto residents.
This will be a valuable resource for Jewish genealogists in the UK
and elsewhere whose ancestors may have been in the Lodz ghetto.
(If interested in participating, check the Lodz (LARG) SIG list.)

What I've written is just a sampling of what I, as a 2nd generation
Anglo-Polish Jew, learned at the conference in Toronto.

One thing that was stressed at the conference was that nothing we
may have been told by well-meaning relatives about our ancestors

from "The Old Country" was necessarily true -- including their names

(first, middle and last); age, marital status, or place of birth
(domicile). Our ancestors sometimes "acquired" passports or exit
visas >from other Jews in the Old Country before emigrating thereby
assuming someone else's identity. In addition, his/her age may
have been given as older or younger, for different reasons (to
obtain employment, improve marriage prospects, or out of vanity,
etc.). So don't believe what you read on a marriage or death
certificate or even tombstone! In addition, stories that still
circulate about the names of our ancestors being changed by
immigration officials at the port of entry (to the U.S., at least)
are not true (boobameise - old wives' tales). Passenger lists were
prepared by the ship's captain prior to embarkation. These were
given to immigration officials by the ship's captain at the port
of entry and used to identify and record the names of arriving
passengers.

Two lectures at the conference pertaining to naming conventions
and how to read/interpret inscriptions (in Hebrew) on tombstones
were also of particular interest.

Hats off to all of the good (talented, tireless and hard-working)
people who put together this wonderful convention!

Naidia Woolf
San Francisco, CA (formerly >from Birmingham, England)
rnwoolf@earthlink.net

Researching: KIJAWSKI/KUJAWSKI, Lodz, Poland; DROZDIAS/DROSDASH/
RAUS, Karczew, Poland; SAFIRSTEIN (or variants), Karczew, Poland;
ISAACS (family of Solomon and Sarah of Birmingham, England),
formerly Poland, town unknown; SHORN/SHORR/SCHORR (family of
Morris and Yetta of London, England), formerly Poland, town unknown

Hi!

I am currently looking for the following names in both
the north and the south of England!

REUBEN (all spellings) Mile End, Bethnal Green, St
George in the East, and Manchester (Crumpsal) The main
occupation was a Tailor.

WEINER, Fulham, Chelsea, Eastbourne, Manchester
(Crumpsal) Occupation of Cigarette maker.

ISAACSON (all spellings) Places as Reuben.

LEVIN, Places as Weiner.

Many Thank

Annette Reilly

=====
REUBEN (All spellings)= Latvia, Whitechapel,Hackney (London)
ISAACSON = Kuldiga (Latvia), Whitechapel,Hackney (London)
WEINER = Krakow, South Africa, Eastbourne, Chelsea (London)
LEVIN = Eastbourne, Chelsea (London)

Reply to: reillytribe@yahoo.com

Hi!

I am currently looking for the following names in both
the north and the south of England!

REUBEN (all spellings) Mile End, Bethnal Green, St
George in the East, and Manchester (Crumpsal) The main
occupation was a Tailor.

WEINER, Fulham, Chelsea, Eastbourne, Manchester
(Crumpsal) Occupation of Cigarette maker.

ISAACSON (all spellings) Places as Reuben.

LEVIN, Places as Weiner.

Many Thank

Annette Reilly

=====
REUBEN (All spellings)= Latvia, Whitechapel,Hackney (London)
ISAACSON = Kuldiga (Latvia), Whitechapel,Hackney (London)
WEINER = Krakow, South Africa, Eastbourne, Chelsea (London)
LEVIN = Eastbourne, Chelsea (London)

Reply to: reillytribe@yahoo.com

On behalf of the hundreds of people who contributed translations of
yizkor material, those who translated the material, and those who
volunteered their services to staff the Yizkor Book Project, I wish
to thank IAJGS for presenting the Yizkor Book Project the award of
outstanding contribution to Jewish genealogy at the Toronto
conference. To Leonard Markowitz, Susannah Juni, and Martin Kessel,
who dreamed the dream, we also extend our thanks. To the
landsmanschaftn who gave us permission to post translations on the
web, we also extend our thanks. To Harriet Brown, who has helped in
many functions, and the wonderful html staff, we extend our thanks.
And to Lance Ackerfeld, who has volunteered since the beginning of
the Project, our very special thanks.

This has truly been a team effort. No one could achieve this level
of accomplishment alone. I am humbled by all the people who shared
the dream, by the unfailing support of JewishGen, and by IAJGS for
recognizing the Yizkor Book Project.

Thanks to all of you.

Joyce Field
JewishGen Yizkor Book Project Manager
jfield@jewishgen.org

On behalf of the hundreds of people who contributed translations of
yizkor material, those who translated the material, and those who
volunteered their services to staff the Yizkor Book Project, I wish
to thank IAJGS for presenting the Yizkor Book Project the award of
outstanding contribution to Jewish genealogy at the Toronto
conference. To Leonard Markowitz, Susannah Juni, and Martin Kessel,
who dreamed the dream, we also extend our thanks. To the
landsmanschaftn who gave us permission to post translations on the
web, we also extend our thanks. To Harriet Brown, who has helped in
many functions, and the wonderful html staff, we extend our thanks.
And to Lance Ackerfeld, who has volunteered since the beginning of
the Project, our very special thanks.

This has truly been a team effort. No one could achieve this level
of accomplishment alone. I am humbled by all the people who shared
the dream, by the unfailing support of JewishGen, and by IAJGS for
recognizing the Yizkor Book Project.

Thanks to all of you.

Joyce Field
JewishGen Yizkor Book Project Manager
jfield@jewishgen.org

My grandmother's name was Fanny Greenberg. She was born in Leeds in 1890 and married my grandfather, Isaac Joseph (Kuczynski) in 1914. They emigrated to South Africa in 1921.

Jonny Joseph
Los Angeles, California (formerly Johannesburg, South Africa)

My grandmother's name was Fanny Greenberg. She was born in Leeds in 1890 and married my grandfather, Isaac Joseph (Kuczynski) in 1914. They emigrated to South Africa in 1921.

Jonny Joseph
Los Angeles, California (formerly Johannesburg, South Africa)

Dear SIG Members - [*For best results, read >from beginning to end! <g> ]

I'm still on a cloud of elation >from the Conference in Toronto. I wish all
of you had been able to share this extraordinarily well-organized event with
me. Toronto's JGS did an amazing job. For those who attended, it was a
wonderful time to put faces to the names we see so often on JewishGen, & to
learn, learn, & learn!!! It was so gratifying to see the large turnout at
both our general meeting & SIG luncheon. We had close to a hundred on both
occasions. Olga Musychuk graciously answered everyone's questions &
explained many of the problems that make it difficult (but not totally
impossible) to find records in the
Ukrainian archives. Hopefully, much will improve with time.

So much was accomplished. First & foremost, the question of our targeted
borders arose at our general meeting & I promised to get back to you with a
definitive answer. Our Volhynia border was the bone of "contention" as we
were originally avoiding the area once under Poland. Well ...............
good news folks! "New treaty"! At a private meeting after our SIG gathered,
our borders were reviewed & as a result, we will be covering all & any towns
that fall within the Russian-Ukrainian borders of 1914. That includes ALL of
Volhynia. (It's too bad countries can't negotiate as peacefully!! <g>) The
Ukraine map of this era will shortly be put up on our website to keep this
question clarified.

Of even more interest to all of you, there are some very crucial
behind-the-scene talks underway that promise to yield an amazing
breakthrough of unforseen information never before made public. It's an
incredible find! I'm biting my lips not to say more. All I can say at this
time, is that I'm sitting on pins & needles as I hear more about the
negotiations. I know that it will be a thrilling revelation to our Ukraine
researchers as more can be said. Again, your assistance as volunteers will
be essential.

And ... speaking of volunteers (& you are so appreciated for your spirit to
help out & make our data available to each other), we have TWO more
gubernias that will be very active now. Many thanks to the enthusiasm of
Andrea Massion who has untaken to be the coordinator of Kherson Gubernia
(towns include Odessa, Alexandriya, Ananyev, Elisavetgrad, Kherson,
Tirashpol), & to Sharen Hogarth who has stepped forward to coordinate
Chernigov Gubernia (towns include Borzna, Chernigov, Glukhov, Gorodnya,
Konotop, Kozelets, Krolevets, Mglin, Nezhin, Novogorod Severskiy,
Norozybkov, Oster,
Sosnitsa, Starodub & Surazh). They are wonderful, capable people & I know
we'll be seeing some exciting things soon!

Last but definitely not least, we welcome Michael Jaron as our new Database
Coordinator for the Ukraine SIG. Michael has an impressive background with
computers, & it will be Mike who will work with Warren Blatt & Michael
Tobias & see to it that our data goes online as quickly as possible in the
appropriate format. With your help, we hope he'll have a lot of interesting
material so that he's kept busy.

We still need:
1) Book Review Coordinator - to find publications of interest & assign
volunteers to review them for uploading on our Book Review site.
2) SIG Research Coordinator - to discover sources of data, initiate
projects, delegate leadership of these projects & encourage volunteer
activity.
3) Coordinators for Taurida Gubernia & Poltava Gubernia;
assistant-Coordinator for Volhynia Gubernia.

I'm also hoping to be able to announce soon that we have a Coordinator for
our FHL Metric Records Projects!!

A suggestion was made by one of our members that we organize a group trip to
the Ukraine. For all those who would like to be a part of an exploratory
adventure to the Ukraine, please contact Joanna Fletcher at JewishGen
ShtetlSchleppers shtetlschleppers@jewishgen.org.
[site URL -http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSchleppers/]. She would be
delighted to organize & facilitate the arrangements for such an opportune
excursion. Groups of no larger than 20 participants each, accompanied by an
experienced guide/translator, will be taken on three days of guided tours of
important Jewish sites in and around the hub city followed by four days of
visits in your ancestral shtetls, customized just for you! A knowledgeable
JewishGen volunteer serving as your Group Leader will work with you to plan
your personal research activities and will be available to help throughout
the trip. The following trips are now being offered:
Ukraine-Kiyev August 28 & October 16, 2002
Ukraine-Kiyev September 17 2003
Ukraine-Odessa October 9, 2002
Ukraine-Odessa August 27, 2003

All the best,
Florence Elman
Ukraine SIG Coordinator
haflo@shaw.ca

Dear SIG Members - [*For best results, read >from beginning to end! <g> ]

I'm still on a cloud of elation >from the Conference in Toronto. I wish all
of you had been able to share this extraordinarily well-organized event with
me. Toronto's JGS did an amazing job. For those who attended, it was a
wonderful time to put faces to the names we see so often on JewishGen, & to
learn, learn, & learn!!! It was so gratifying to see the large turnout at
both our general meeting & SIG luncheon. We had close to a hundred on both
occasions. Olga Musychuk graciously answered everyone's questions &
explained many of the problems that make it difficult (but not totally
impossible) to find records in the
Ukrainian archives. Hopefully, much will improve with time.

So much was accomplished. First & foremost, the question of our targeted
borders arose at our general meeting & I promised to get back to you with a
definitive answer. Our Volhynia border was the bone of "contention" as we
were originally avoiding the area once under Poland. Well ...............
good news folks! "New treaty"! At a private meeting after our SIG gathered,
our borders were reviewed & as a result, we will be covering all & any towns
that fall within the Russian-Ukrainian borders of 1914. That includes ALL of
Volhynia. (It's too bad countries can't negotiate as peacefully!! <g>) The
Ukraine map of this era will shortly be put up on our website to keep this
question clarified.

Of even more interest to all of you, there are some very crucial
behind-the-scene talks underway that promise to yield an amazing
breakthrough of unforseen information never before made public. It's an
incredible find! I'm biting my lips not to say more. All I can say at this
time, is that I'm sitting on pins & needles as I hear more about the
negotiations. I know that it will be a thrilling revelation to our Ukraine
researchers as more can be said. Again, your assistance as volunteers will
be essential.

And ... speaking of volunteers (& you are so appreciated for your spirit to
help out & make our data available to each other), we have TWO more
gubernias that will be very active now. Many thanks to the enthusiasm of
Andrea Massion who has untaken to be the coordinator of Kherson Gubernia
(towns include Odessa, Alexandriya, Ananyev, Elisavetgrad, Kherson,
Tirashpol), & to Sharen Hogarth who has stepped forward to coordinate
Chernigov Gubernia (towns include Borzna, Chernigov, Glukhov, Gorodnya,
Konotop, Kozelets, Krolevets, Mglin, Nezhin, Novogorod Severskiy,
Norozybkov, Oster,
Sosnitsa, Starodub & Surazh). They are wonderful, capable people & I know
we'll be seeing some exciting things soon!

Last but definitely not least, we welcome Michael Jaron as our new Database
Coordinator for the Ukraine SIG. Michael has an impressive background with
computers, & it will be Mike who will work with Warren Blatt & Michael
Tobias & see to it that our data goes online as quickly as possible in the
appropriate format. With your help, we hope he'll have a lot of interesting
material so that he's kept busy.

We still need:
1) Book Review Coordinator - to find publications of interest & assign
volunteers to review them for uploading on our Book Review site.
2) SIG Research Coordinator - to discover sources of data, initiate
projects, delegate leadership of these projects & encourage volunteer
activity.
3) Coordinators for Taurida Gubernia & Poltava Gubernia;
assistant-Coordinator for Volhynia Gubernia.

I'm also hoping to be able to announce soon that we have a Coordinator for
our FHL Metric Records Projects!!

A suggestion was made by one of our members that we organize a group trip to
the Ukraine. For all those who would like to be a part of an exploratory
adventure to the Ukraine, please contact Joanna Fletcher at JewishGen
ShtetlSchleppers shtetlschleppers@jewishgen.org.
[site URL -http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSchleppers/]. She would be
delighted to organize & facilitate the arrangements for such an opportune
excursion. Groups of no larger than 20 participants each, accompanied by an
experienced guide/translator, will be taken on three days of guided tours of
important Jewish sites in and around the hub city followed by four days of
visits in your ancestral shtetls, customized just for you! A knowledgeable
JewishGen volunteer serving as your Group Leader will work with you to plan
your personal research activities and will be available to help throughout
the trip. The following trips are now being offered:
Ukraine-Kiyev August 28 & October 16, 2002
Ukraine-Kiyev September 17 2003
Ukraine-Odessa October 9, 2002
Ukraine-Odessa August 27, 2003

All the best,
Florence Elman
Ukraine SIG Coordinator
haflo@shaw.ca

For M. Yves Goulnik, (Yves Goulnik@roche.com):

Because M. Goulnik may have misssed it here is a repeat of a message I
sent to the Ukraine group on April 15, 2002 in response to another Ternovka
inquiry which had been posted by Joe Murray.


<<On Apr.14/02 Joe Murray(cq015@freenet.carleton.ca) wrote in part
:
<<Am looking for any information on/about Ternovka and so am asking if
there'll be others who can assist me in searching my roots.
Are there any tentative plans to have any program/activities on
Ternovka?
Am I the only one looking for Ternovka details?
Any assistance will be greatly appreciated by a number of people who
have come to a dead-end in family trees.>>

Although I am not genealogically interested in Ternovka, I exchanged a few
messages with Mr. Murray about "Ternifka" in 1998.

The town's name can also be spelled as "Ternifka" or "Ternivka" and there
are least seven and perhaps as many as nine towns which bear this name! One
is near Uman, another is in the coal-mining region of Dnipropetrovsk. I
haven't tried hard to find where the others are located.

There is a yizkor book for a "Ternovka" and if he hasn't already done so,
Mr. Murray should check Jewishgen's Yizkor book project to see whether all or
any part of it has been translated. Also the Family Finder at Jewishgen
should also be searched.

A search using the google search engine will turn up a bit more about the
Ternovka that in the Dnipropetrovsk region. According to:

http://jew.dp.ua/english/news.htm

a Purim celebration was recently held in Ternovka.

Also, at Ancestry.com a "DavidCaveat (@aol.com)" left a message about a
town bearing the name in the Vinnitsya oblast and gave the name of the Yizkor
book as:

Bar-Avi, G., ed. "Avaratenu Ternovka" ("Our Town Ternovka"). Tel Aviv:
Ternovka Society 1972>>

Alan Shefman's response today (Aug.12/02) to Mr. Goulnik regarding archival
information available at Miram Weiner's Roots to Roots Foundation should also prove helpful to other Ternovka researchers.


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN,
Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;
SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and
Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.

For M. Yves Goulnik, (Yves Goulnik@roche.com):

Because M. Goulnik may have misssed it here is a repeat of a message I
sent to the Ukraine group on April 15, 2002 in response to another Ternovka
inquiry which had been posted by Joe Murray.


<<On Apr.14/02 Joe Murray(cq015@freenet.carleton.ca) wrote in part
:
<<Am looking for any information on/about Ternovka and so am asking if
there'll be others who can assist me in searching my roots.
Are there any tentative plans to have any program/activities on
Ternovka?
Am I the only one looking for Ternovka details?
Any assistance will be greatly appreciated by a number of people who
have come to a dead-end in family trees.>>

Although I am not genealogically interested in Ternovka, I exchanged a few
messages with Mr. Murray about "Ternifka" in 1998.

The town's name can also be spelled as "Ternifka" or "Ternivka" and there
are least seven and perhaps as many as nine towns which bear this name! One
is near Uman, another is in the coal-mining region of Dnipropetrovsk. I
haven't tried hard to find where the others are located.

There is a yizkor book for a "Ternovka" and if he hasn't already done so,
Mr. Murray should check Jewishgen's Yizkor book project to see whether all or
any part of it has been translated. Also the Family Finder at Jewishgen
should also be searched.

A search using the google search engine will turn up a bit more about the
Ternovka that in the Dnipropetrovsk region. According to:

http://jew.dp.ua/english/news.htm

a Purim celebration was recently held in Ternovka.

Also, at Ancestry.com a "DavidCaveat (@aol.com)" left a message about a
town bearing the name in the Vinnitsya oblast and gave the name of the Yizkor
book as:

Bar-Avi, G., ed. "Avaratenu Ternovka" ("Our Town Ternovka"). Tel Aviv:
Ternovka Society 1972>>

Alan Shefman's response today (Aug.12/02) to Mr. Goulnik regarding archival
information available at Miram Weiner's Roots to Roots Foundation should also prove helpful to other Ternovka researchers.


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN,
Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;
SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and
Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.

Is there a list of New York-area Jewish cemeteries, with their
telephone numbers? I could such.

Thanks.

David Linden
East Williston,NY
itinerantscribe@att.net

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a New York City area cemetery directory. The direct link to this
directory is http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/nycems.txt

Is there a list of New York-area Jewish cemeteries, with their
telephone numbers? I could such.

Thanks.

David Linden
East Williston,NY
itinerantscribe@att.net

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of inquiry. The InfoFiles are organized by topic and country, and a
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on "United States" will take you to a list of InfoFiles that includes
a New York City area cemetery directory. The direct link to this
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Can anyone help me decipher this small ship manifest extract:

- street name in Montreal (? Valley)
- cousin name (Fran?? ??ik)

These were two GULNICK sisters in transit at Ellis Island to
Montreal, Canada (March 1907)

Click the link below for VM document. Please reply in private

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/source/vm1690.html

thanks/Yves GOULNIK

Mulhouse (Alsace), France
yves.goulnik@laposte.net
http://goulniky.free.fr/

researching :
GULNIK / GULNICK / GOULNIK / GOLNIK / GOLNICK >from Ternovka then
Odessa, Ukraine; CHAPOCHNIK / CHLAPOCHNIK / SCHAPOSHNIK / SHLAPOSHNIK
PIKOWSKI

Louis LEBOVITZ died on 28 September, 1945, while on vacation in
Sarasota. His vacation address was xxx South Osprey Avenue.

On the day of his death, his body was shipped to New York City,
his permanent place of residence, for burial. I have been unable
to locate his grave in any of the New York-area Jewish cemeteries;
I know he is buried in one of them.

For some reason, his name is shown on his certificate of death as
Louis LABORITZ ; I will re-call the New York cemeteries for a grave
under that name.

The Sarasota funeral director is listed as C. R. SHAMRAN, or SHERMAN,
or SHERWIN, or ???? It's a hand-written signature, not easily read.

The name of the local registrar on the certificate is Alice SEAWELL.

It would help if I could locate the Sarasota funeral director who
shipped his body; there might be a record of to whom it was shipped.

Any and all suggestions would be welcomed.

Please respond privately.

David Linden
East Williston, NY
itinerantscribe@att.net

MODERATOR NOTE: Street address deleted in accordance with JewishGen's
privacy policy.

Can anyone help me decipher this small ship manifest extract:

- street name in Montreal (? Valley)
- cousin name (Fran?? ??ik)

These were two GULNICK sisters in transit at Ellis Island to
Montreal, Canada (March 1907)

Click the link below for VM document. Please reply in private

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/source/vm1690.html

thanks/Yves GOULNIK

Mulhouse (Alsace), France
yves.goulnik@laposte.net
http://goulniky.free.fr/

researching :
GULNIK / GULNICK / GOULNIK / GOLNIK / GOLNICK >from Ternovka then
Odessa, Ukraine; CHAPOCHNIK / CHLAPOCHNIK / SCHAPOSHNIK / SHLAPOSHNIK
PIKOWSKI

Louis LEBOVITZ died on 28 September, 1945, while on vacation in
Sarasota. His vacation address was xxx South Osprey Avenue.

On the day of his death, his body was shipped to New York City,
his permanent place of residence, for burial. I have been unable
to locate his grave in any of the New York-area Jewish cemeteries;
I know he is buried in one of them.

For some reason, his name is shown on his certificate of death as
Louis LABORITZ ; I will re-call the New York cemeteries for a grave
under that name.

The Sarasota funeral director is listed as C. R. SHAMRAN, or SHERMAN,
or SHERWIN, or ???? It's a hand-written signature, not easily read.

The name of the local registrar on the certificate is Alice SEAWELL.

It would help if I could locate the Sarasota funeral director who
shipped his body; there might be a record of to whom it was shipped.

Any and all suggestions would be welcomed.

Please respond privately.

David Linden
East Williston, NY
itinerantscribe@att.net

MODERATOR NOTE: Street address deleted in accordance with JewishGen's
privacy policy.

I just spent a couple of hours, poring over the ships manifest
for the Carmania which came into NY on April 4th, 1906. All 70
pages of it!

My husband's grandmother's (and great-aunt's) application for
citizenship say that they came >from Vilna, Russia out of Antwerp,
Belgium on the ship Carmania, landed in NY April XX, 1906.
Although the Carmania only sailed >from Liverpool, the Cunard web
site mentioned a train >from Antwerp in 1906 - that might explain
that discrepancy.

There are several entries that read ....,.... where I assume
the passenger's name was unreadable, some of which were Hebrew
and Russian, although none say Vilna or Wilna (there are some
people aboard whose town is Wilna). I don't see a woman, about
30, named Katie, traveling with three girls under 10 years old -
Mamie, Lillian, and Rebecca. I was expecting a slightly different
surname >from Fierman - possibly Fireman, but nothing is close.

I need advice! I would very much like to track these people
down, for my mother-in-law, for my husband, and for my daughters.

Thanks,
Nancy

I just spent a couple of hours, poring over the ships manifest
for the Carmania which came into NY on April 4th, 1906. All 70
pages of it!

My husband's grandmother's (and great-aunt's) application for
citizenship say that they came >from Vilna, Russia out of Antwerp,
Belgium on the ship Carmania, landed in NY April XX, 1906.
Although the Carmania only sailed >from Liverpool, the Cunard web
site mentioned a train >from Antwerp in 1906 - that might explain
that discrepancy.

There are several entries that read ....,.... where I assume
the passenger's name was unreadable, some of which were Hebrew
and Russian, although none say Vilna or Wilna (there are some
people aboard whose town is Wilna). I don't see a woman, about
30, named Katie, traveling with three girls under 10 years old -
Mamie, Lillian, and Rebecca. I was expecting a slightly different
surname >from Fierman - possibly Fireman, but nothing is close.

I need advice! I would very much like to track these people
down, for my mother-in-law, for my husband, and for my daughters.

Thanks,
Nancy