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VM 2101, 2102, 2103, 2106 #general

Peter Zimmer <Zimmer-Luedinghausen@...>
 

Dear List,

I have posted four differnt Hebrew/yiddish text.
2101 and 2102 are old tombstone incriptions frrom Prague of my BRANDEIS
ancestors >from Prague. I hope the quality is good enough to read them..
2103 is a tombstone incription printed in a book. 2106 are a number of
yiddish names >from a text >from Austria around 1740.
They are to be found under this address.
Please answer directly and not to the list.
Thank you very much for helping me.
Ple

MODERATOR NOTE: The direct URLs for the above are:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2101
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2102
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2103
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2106

VM 2104 #general

Peter Zimmer <Zimmer-Luedinghausen@...>
 

Dear list,
I have posted an old German text >from 1748. It gives information about
Jews being sent away >from Prague under the rule of Maria Theresia.
Please reply privately.

This is where you find the text:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2104

Thank you for your help,

Peter Zimmer
Germany

Obtaining mental health records #general

suzecrazy@...
 

Hi Genners,
I'm glad someone mentioned this subject. I'm very interested to know how
easy or difficult it is to get ahold of a Grandparent's mental health
records. It never dawned on me to attempt this, and it's a great idea. My
PG has been gone since 1979 so I assume her file is no more. She died at
Mercy Hospital in Nassau County, Long Island. I will look into this, and
if any of you hear something in the meantime..please share!
Thanks again,
Susan Stock
Agoura Hills, Ca

Re: Seeemingly un-Jewish names in Jewish usage #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 1/26/2003 3:19:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,
yonatan@... writes:

<< >from various people, primarily orthodox whom I have met over theyears
I have found that German orthodox jews gave their children very christian
first names (Paul, peter etc). I came across very few eastern european
jews who would give their children such names. >>

==Yonatan has become a good friend and source of information for me >from
the jewishgen list. I think as an Israeli I can understand him. Many Jews
around the world, especially where the Jews have a low national profile
and the ambient culture is Christian, tend to a frequent confusion
between "Gentile" or "civil" and "Christian." Add the confusion
that "christian name" is the common English-language term for first-name . . .

==I've come across a lot of German Orthodox Jews in my life, having grown
up in that millieu, attended school with them, living in German emigree
communities in England, and currently some years researching genealogy.

In my family there were males called Julius, Manfred, Albert, Leopold,
Heinrich, Alfred, Georg, Fritz. I knew Siegfrieds, Herberts (many!),
Herman, Leopol, Rudolph, Walter. Earlier generations had Maxilillians,
Ignatz, Isidore. We should remember, too, that American immigrants took
Murray, Sheldon, Irving etc and turned them into virtual Jewish names. It
wasn't too smart then to have an obvious Jewish name if you were looking
for a job or acccomodations. At the same time, Jewish organizations
generally dropped the word Jewish >from their organizations and their
houses of worship. We had the Hebrew Institute, the Judaic Club and the
Israelite Organization. In Germany, still, ther Jewish community is
termed officially Israelitische Kulrtusgemeinde, and gentiles in many
countries belief that the word "Jew" is taboo.

I think it wasn't until 1967, when there was both a surge of Jewish pride,
at the same time as ethnic minorities in the USA became more confident in
their heritage, that Jews in America comfortable started using clearly
Hebrew names and kinnuyim when registering a birth.

Unless you call Joseph a Christian name, there wasn't one Orthodox German
male I knew of who had a "Christian" name. I once heard of a Peter, and
my parents tut-tutted and said, "well, what do you expect, the family's
not really Orthodox, and they were relieved to learn his Hebrew name was
really Peretz. [Actually the Biblical Peretz, son of Judah and Tamar,
was so called because he "burst" his way >from the womb, and the first born
of humans and animals is termed in the Bible "peter rechem," (>from a
different verb) so Peter is actually a very good equivalent for Peretz.]

Among women the phenomenon was equally prominent: Just >from my immediate
family: Gella, Betty, Trude, Lotte, Erna, Else, Edith, Alisse, Bertha,
Therese, Rosa, Mathilde--and all in Orthodox families. Probably not more
than 20% and possibly considerably fewer Jewish woman in Germany over the
last eight centuries had names that were actually Hebrew or Biblical such
as Rachel, Ruth, Esther

You wouldn't call Joseph or Miriam "Christian" names just because these
were the names of the parents of Jesus of Nazareth. Many other New
Testament names derive >from perfectly correct Hebrew names--John >from
Yochanan, Lazarus >from Elazar, James >from Yaakov. Mark/Marks/Marx was
from the Latin Marcus--a name used by Jews in Eretz Yisrael and in Rome
from a century or two BCE. Matthew is the Hebrew name Matittyahu (name of
the Hasmonean Priestly patriarch). My neighbor in schul in the USA (very
traditional conservative) is named Paul, {and named Pesach when called to
the Torah}, and his family is >from East Europe. (Pa'ul, incidentally is a
Hebrew name and means "[one of God's]creation").

There are some names among Jews that appear to relate to other religions,
Phoebus, for instance, a name not unknown among quite famous Eastern
European rabbis--but it is really a corruption of Vives, French for
Chaim. Then there's the Melchior family of rabbis >from Denmark (Melchior
is the name of one of the three wise kings, I believe) but that is
probably total coincidence. And lest we forget, our Biblical Esther was
named after the heathen goddess Ashtarte, and her guardian Mordecai after
the Persian god Marduch.

Additionally, in the 18th and 19th centuries there were various laws laws
in certain countries and at certain times that forced Jews to declare an
"acceptably German" name (my Yomtov ancestors became Jonathan, Naftali
became Hirsch, Yekuthiel became Suessel) but nary a "Christian" name
anywhere except those who opted out of Judaism (one actually became an
Episcopalian bishop, another converted to Islam).

I want to add that some of the names I mentioned were of very orthodox
rabbis or their families; some with names like Arnold and Adolf achieved
high prominence in the Haredi "Agudat Yisrael" movement, including the
designation of "Gadol haTorah."

Michael Bernet,
New York

Ship Manifest Numbers #general

Joel Weintraub <jweintraub@...>
 

Group,
The JewishGen Info file on notations on the ship manifest sheets does
discuss numbers associated with Certificates of Arrivals. Those numbers
were put on the manifest sheets well after the arrival of the immigrant,
and indicate that a request had been made >from a court (?) for proof of
arrival into the country as part of the naturalization application. I'm
not sure when that practice started, but it might have been after 1925.
The Certificate of Arrival is often part of the naturalization papers of
the court for an applicant. The first 2 digits of the number on the Ship
Manifest should signify the naturalization district making the request (and
therefore the place where the researcher should search for the record),
while the last digits might indicate the year of the request. The other
numbers are no longer usable to search for a record. There is no guarantee
that the person in question actually became a citizen. The Info file does
have what the codes mean, and they changed over the years. However, I've
found it isn't easy to find them on the Info File. One has to look in the
occupation code information to find the Naturalization District codes. See:

http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/manifests/occ/

Joel Weintraub, Dana Point, CA

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen VM 2101, 2102, 2103, 2106 #general

Peter Zimmer <Zimmer-Luedinghausen@...>
 

Dear List,

I have posted four differnt Hebrew/yiddish text.
2101 and 2102 are old tombstone incriptions frrom Prague of my BRANDEIS
ancestors >from Prague. I hope the quality is good enough to read them..
2103 is a tombstone incription printed in a book. 2106 are a number of
yiddish names >from a text >from Austria around 1740.
They are to be found under this address.
Please answer directly and not to the list.
Thank you very much for helping me.
Ple

MODERATOR NOTE: The direct URLs for the above are:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2101
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2102
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2103
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2106

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen VM 2104 #general

Peter Zimmer <Zimmer-Luedinghausen@...>
 

Dear list,
I have posted an old German text >from 1748. It gives information about
Jews being sent away >from Prague under the rule of Maria Theresia.
Please reply privately.

This is where you find the text:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2104

Thank you for your help,

Peter Zimmer
Germany

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Obtaining mental health records #general

suzecrazy@...
 

Hi Genners,
I'm glad someone mentioned this subject. I'm very interested to know how
easy or difficult it is to get ahold of a Grandparent's mental health
records. It never dawned on me to attempt this, and it's a great idea. My
PG has been gone since 1979 so I assume her file is no more. She died at
Mercy Hospital in Nassau County, Long Island. I will look into this, and
if any of you hear something in the meantime..please share!
Thanks again,
Susan Stock
Agoura Hills, Ca

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Seeemingly un-Jewish names in Jewish usage #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 1/26/2003 3:19:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,
yonatan@... writes:

<< >from various people, primarily orthodox whom I have met over theyears
I have found that German orthodox jews gave their children very christian
first names (Paul, peter etc). I came across very few eastern european
jews who would give their children such names. >>

==Yonatan has become a good friend and source of information for me >from
the jewishgen list. I think as an Israeli I can understand him. Many Jews
around the world, especially where the Jews have a low national profile
and the ambient culture is Christian, tend to a frequent confusion
between "Gentile" or "civil" and "Christian." Add the confusion
that "christian name" is the common English-language term for first-name . . .

==I've come across a lot of German Orthodox Jews in my life, having grown
up in that millieu, attended school with them, living in German emigree
communities in England, and currently some years researching genealogy.

In my family there were males called Julius, Manfred, Albert, Leopold,
Heinrich, Alfred, Georg, Fritz. I knew Siegfrieds, Herberts (many!),
Herman, Leopol, Rudolph, Walter. Earlier generations had Maxilillians,
Ignatz, Isidore. We should remember, too, that American immigrants took
Murray, Sheldon, Irving etc and turned them into virtual Jewish names. It
wasn't too smart then to have an obvious Jewish name if you were looking
for a job or acccomodations. At the same time, Jewish organizations
generally dropped the word Jewish >from their organizations and their
houses of worship. We had the Hebrew Institute, the Judaic Club and the
Israelite Organization. In Germany, still, ther Jewish community is
termed officially Israelitische Kulrtusgemeinde, and gentiles in many
countries belief that the word "Jew" is taboo.

I think it wasn't until 1967, when there was both a surge of Jewish pride,
at the same time as ethnic minorities in the USA became more confident in
their heritage, that Jews in America comfortable started using clearly
Hebrew names and kinnuyim when registering a birth.

Unless you call Joseph a Christian name, there wasn't one Orthodox German
male I knew of who had a "Christian" name. I once heard of a Peter, and
my parents tut-tutted and said, "well, what do you expect, the family's
not really Orthodox, and they were relieved to learn his Hebrew name was
really Peretz. [Actually the Biblical Peretz, son of Judah and Tamar,
was so called because he "burst" his way >from the womb, and the first born
of humans and animals is termed in the Bible "peter rechem," (>from a
different verb) so Peter is actually a very good equivalent for Peretz.]

Among women the phenomenon was equally prominent: Just >from my immediate
family: Gella, Betty, Trude, Lotte, Erna, Else, Edith, Alisse, Bertha,
Therese, Rosa, Mathilde--and all in Orthodox families. Probably not more
than 20% and possibly considerably fewer Jewish woman in Germany over the
last eight centuries had names that were actually Hebrew or Biblical such
as Rachel, Ruth, Esther

You wouldn't call Joseph or Miriam "Christian" names just because these
were the names of the parents of Jesus of Nazareth. Many other New
Testament names derive >from perfectly correct Hebrew names--John >from
Yochanan, Lazarus >from Elazar, James >from Yaakov. Mark/Marks/Marx was
from the Latin Marcus--a name used by Jews in Eretz Yisrael and in Rome
from a century or two BCE. Matthew is the Hebrew name Matittyahu (name of
the Hasmonean Priestly patriarch). My neighbor in schul in the USA (very
traditional conservative) is named Paul, {and named Pesach when called to
the Torah}, and his family is >from East Europe. (Pa'ul, incidentally is a
Hebrew name and means "[one of God's]creation").

There are some names among Jews that appear to relate to other religions,
Phoebus, for instance, a name not unknown among quite famous Eastern
European rabbis--but it is really a corruption of Vives, French for
Chaim. Then there's the Melchior family of rabbis >from Denmark (Melchior
is the name of one of the three wise kings, I believe) but that is
probably total coincidence. And lest we forget, our Biblical Esther was
named after the heathen goddess Ashtarte, and her guardian Mordecai after
the Persian god Marduch.

Additionally, in the 18th and 19th centuries there were various laws laws
in certain countries and at certain times that forced Jews to declare an
"acceptably German" name (my Yomtov ancestors became Jonathan, Naftali
became Hirsch, Yekuthiel became Suessel) but nary a "Christian" name
anywhere except those who opted out of Judaism (one actually became an
Episcopalian bishop, another converted to Islam).

I want to add that some of the names I mentioned were of very orthodox
rabbis or their families; some with names like Arnold and Adolf achieved
high prominence in the Haredi "Agudat Yisrael" movement, including the
designation of "Gadol haTorah."

Michael Bernet,
New York

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ship Manifest Numbers #general

Joel Weintraub <jweintraub@...>
 

Group,
The JewishGen Info file on notations on the ship manifest sheets does
discuss numbers associated with Certificates of Arrivals. Those numbers
were put on the manifest sheets well after the arrival of the immigrant,
and indicate that a request had been made >from a court (?) for proof of
arrival into the country as part of the naturalization application. I'm
not sure when that practice started, but it might have been after 1925.
The Certificate of Arrival is often part of the naturalization papers of
the court for an applicant. The first 2 digits of the number on the Ship
Manifest should signify the naturalization district making the request (and
therefore the place where the researcher should search for the record),
while the last digits might indicate the year of the request. The other
numbers are no longer usable to search for a record. There is no guarantee
that the person in question actually became a citizen. The Info file does
have what the codes mean, and they changed over the years. However, I've
found it isn't easy to find them on the Info File. One has to look in the
occupation code information to find the Naturalization District codes. See:

http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/manifests/occ/

Joel Weintraub, Dana Point, CA

Recognize Russ/Germ doc? VM2100 #ukraine

Debbie Pomerance <dpomeran@...>
 

Hi List -

My GF Michail (sp?) HAUPTMAN emigrated >from Radomsko, Poland (south of
Lodz) in 1904. This document is half in German and half in Russian.

Is it a travel doc? Permission to cross Germany? Can there be additional
meaningful facts to be gleaned >from it? Is it worth my while to get it
translated, or is it boilerplate? Is the boilerplate important?

The direct url for Viewmate VM2100 is:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2100

Alternatively you can get to it via the main Viewmate (To View) section at
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Please respond to me privately at
mailto: dpomeran@...

Debbie Pomerance

Searching:
Radomsk, Poland HAUPTMAN HOPTMAN DICKERMAN DYKERMAN EPPLEBAUM APPLEBAUM
GLICKE GLIKA GLICKSMAN
Kremenchug, Krylow, Ukraine POMERANCE POMERANZ ROSSMAN KOSLOVSKY
SHARINOW MACHLIS
Hotin, Ukraine BRAUNSTEIN GOLDMAN

Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Recognize Russ/Germ doc? VM2100 #ukraine

Debbie Pomerance <dpomeran@...>
 

Hi List -

My GF Michail (sp?) HAUPTMAN emigrated >from Radomsko, Poland (south of
Lodz) in 1904. This document is half in German and half in Russian.

Is it a travel doc? Permission to cross Germany? Can there be additional
meaningful facts to be gleaned >from it? Is it worth my while to get it
translated, or is it boilerplate? Is the boilerplate important?

The direct url for Viewmate VM2100 is:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2100

Alternatively you can get to it via the main Viewmate (To View) section at
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Please respond to me privately at
mailto: dpomeran@...

Debbie Pomerance

Searching:
Radomsk, Poland HAUPTMAN HOPTMAN DICKERMAN DYKERMAN EPPLEBAUM APPLEBAUM
GLICKE GLIKA GLICKSMAN
Kremenchug, Krylow, Ukraine POMERANCE POMERANZ ROSSMAN KOSLOVSKY
SHARINOW MACHLIS
Hotin, Ukraine BRAUNSTEIN GOLDMAN

ALK #ukraine

Barbara Meyers
 

I am researching Yitzok ALK who I believe may have settled in Berdichev,
coming >from Krynki. He was probably born in the 1820's or 1830's. If the
surname ALK is in anyone's tree or research, please contact me.

Thank you.
Barbara Meyers
babycat3@...

Ukraine SIG #Ukraine ALK #ukraine

Barbara Meyers
 

I am researching Yitzok ALK who I believe may have settled in Berdichev,
coming >from Krynki. He was probably born in the 1820's or 1830's. If the
surname ALK is in anyone's tree or research, please contact me.

Thank you.
Barbara Meyers
babycat3@...

Grodno Archives #belarus

Michael Kaplan <Michael-kaplan@...>
 

I have come across David Fox's posting "Jewish Holdings at the Grodno
Archives". There are several items there that I would like to know more
about, or ideally to see.

How can I do this?


Michael Kaplan

Princeton, New Jersey

Michael-kaplan@...

Belarus SIG #Belarus Grodno Archives #belarus

Michael Kaplan <Michael-kaplan@...>
 

I have come across David Fox's posting "Jewish Holdings at the Grodno
Archives". There are several items there that I would like to know more
about, or ideally to see.

How can I do this?


Michael Kaplan

Princeton, New Jersey

Michael-kaplan@...

Recognize Germ/Russ doc? VM2100 #general

Debbie Pomerance <dpomeran@...>
 

Hi -

My GG Michail (sp?) HAUPTMAN emigrated >from Radomsko, Poland (south of
Lodz) in 1904. This document is half in German and half in Russian.

Is it a travel doc? Permission to cross Germany? Can there be additional
meaningful facts to be gleaned >from it? Is it worth my while to get it
translated, or is it boilerplate? Is the boilerplate important?

The direct url for Viewmante VM2100 is:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2100

Alternatively you can get to it via the main Viewmate (To View) section at
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Please respond to me privately at
mailto:dpomeran@...

Debbie
Debbie Pomerance / mailto:dpomeran@...

Searching:
Radomsk, Poland HAUPTMAN HOPTMAN DICKERMAN DYKERMAN EPPLEBAUM APPLEBAUM
GLICKE GLIKA GLICKSMAN
Kremenchug, Krylow, Ukraine POMERANCE POMERANZ ROSSMAN KOSLOVSKY
SHARINOW MACHLIS
Hotin, Ukraine BRAUNSTEIN GOLDMAN

Records from Central Islip. #general

Ellen Lee <ellie2@...>
 

I apologize for not making it clear that Central Islip Psychiatric
Center was located in Long, Island, New York, USA. Thanks again to
all who responded.
--
Ellen Lee
ellie2@...

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Recognize Germ/Russ doc? VM2100 #general

Debbie Pomerance <dpomeran@...>
 

Hi -

My GG Michail (sp?) HAUPTMAN emigrated >from Radomsko, Poland (south of
Lodz) in 1904. This document is half in German and half in Russian.

Is it a travel doc? Permission to cross Germany? Can there be additional
meaningful facts to be gleaned >from it? Is it worth my while to get it
translated, or is it boilerplate? Is the boilerplate important?

The direct url for Viewmante VM2100 is:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=2100

Alternatively you can get to it via the main Viewmate (To View) section at
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Please respond to me privately at
mailto:dpomeran@...

Debbie
Debbie Pomerance / mailto:dpomeran@...

Searching:
Radomsk, Poland HAUPTMAN HOPTMAN DICKERMAN DYKERMAN EPPLEBAUM APPLEBAUM
GLICKE GLIKA GLICKSMAN
Kremenchug, Krylow, Ukraine POMERANCE POMERANZ ROSSMAN KOSLOVSKY
SHARINOW MACHLIS
Hotin, Ukraine BRAUNSTEIN GOLDMAN

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Records from Central Islip. #general

Ellen Lee <ellie2@...>
 

I apologize for not making it clear that Central Islip Psychiatric
Center was located in Long, Island, New York, USA. Thanks again to
all who responded.
--
Ellen Lee
ellie2@...