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Re: Naturalization #general

romasi3@...
 

Robert and fellow researchers,

If you go to the following website, run by the now U.S.
Citizenship and Immigration Service,
http://uscis.gov/graphics/aboutus/history/mar1790.htm
it states:
"After passage of an Act of February 10, 1855, immigrant women
were able to acquire U.S. citizenship without naturalization.
They became citizens upon marriage to a U.S. citizen husband,
or upon their husband’s naturalization. Like children, who
since 1790 acquired citizenship upon the naturalization of a
parent, women derived citizenship >from their husbands. A 1907
law took this concept further by providing that all U.S.-born
women who married aliens would lose their U.S. citizenship
upon marriage. It was not until 1922 that women’s citizenship
was separated >from that of their husbands. For more details,
see the history of women and naturalization on the Website of
the National Archives and Records Administration."

Bob Bogash wrote in part:

"Regarding this thread, could a wife be required to be naturalized under
her husband even if native born?..........
Could a wife lose her citizenship by marrying an alien?".........

Robert Silverstein
Aurora, CO

Researching: BROCKMAN, FLAMENDORF/FLOMENDORF, HOFFNUNG, FRIEDLANDER,
SILVERSTEIN


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Naturalization #ukraine

romasi3@...
 

Robert and fellow researchers,

If you go to the following website, run by the now U.S.
Citizenship and Immigration Service,
http://uscis.gov/graphics/aboutus/history/mar1790.htm
it states:
"After passage of an Act of February 10, 1855, immigrant women
were able to acquire U.S. citizenship without naturalization.
They became citizens upon marriage to a U.S. citizen husband,
or upon their husband’s naturalization. Like children, who
since 1790 acquired citizenship upon the naturalization of a
parent, women derived citizenship >from their husbands. A 1907
law took this concept further by providing that all U.S.-born
women who married aliens would lose their U.S. citizenship
upon marriage. It was not until 1922 that women’s citizenship
was separated >from that of their husbands. For more details,
see the history of women and naturalization on the Website of
the National Archives and Records Administration."

Bob Bogash wrote in part:

"Regarding this thread, could a wife be required to be naturalized under
her husband even if native born?..........
Could a wife lose her citizenship by marrying an alien?".........

Robert Silverstein
Aurora, CO

Researching: BROCKMAN, FLAMENDORF/FLOMENDORF, HOFFNUNG, FRIEDLANDER,
SILVERSTEIN


Re: Naturalization #general

Doug Cohen
 

Anyone born in the US, even if to aliens, is a US citizen, automatically.
Prior to a date I don't know (but I thought it was pre-1910), citizenship
followed the husband. A native US born citizen who married an alien lost
her US citizenship, and would become naturalized when (if) her husband was
naturalized. But that changed early in the 20th century. After 1922, a
wife was no longer automatically naturalized when her husband was -- she had
to pursue her own naturalization. Hope that helps.

Doug Cohen
Lexington, MA
DMC@dmcohen.com

Original Message From: "Robert Bogash" <rbogash@centurytel.net> writes in part:

Regarding this thread, could a wife be required to be naturalized under
her husband even if native born? ....... My aunt claims her mother
(my grandmother) had to become naturalized when my grandfather was,
even tho she was U.S. born, and she has seen paperwork to that effect.
I have found nothing in my research............
Could a wife lose her citizenship by marrying an alien?...........

Bob Bogash
Hansville, Washington


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Naturalization #ukraine

Doug Cohen
 

Anyone born in the US, even if to aliens, is a US citizen, automatically.
Prior to a date I don't know (but I thought it was pre-1910), citizenship
followed the husband. A native US born citizen who married an alien lost
her US citizenship, and would become naturalized when (if) her husband was
naturalized. But that changed early in the 20th century. After 1922, a
wife was no longer automatically naturalized when her husband was -- she had
to pursue her own naturalization. Hope that helps.

Doug Cohen
Lexington, MA
DMC@dmcohen.com

Original Message From: "Robert Bogash" <rbogash@centurytel.net> writes in part:

Regarding this thread, could a wife be required to be naturalized under
her husband even if native born? ....... My aunt claims her mother
(my grandmother) had to become naturalized when my grandfather was,
even tho she was U.S. born, and she has seen paperwork to that effect.
I have found nothing in my research............
Could a wife lose her citizenship by marrying an alien?...........

Bob Bogash
Hansville, Washington


Re: Jews working on farms near Maids Moreton and Buckingham ... #unitedkingdom

HPOLLINS@...
 

I know that the following does not answer this specific question but the
Jewish Chronicle of 4 August 1939 contained an article which referred to about
125 German-Jewish refugees who were cultivating Foxhill Farm in Oxfordshire.
They were based at Tythrop House, Kingsey-near-Thame. A further note in the JC of
29 September 1939 stated that 'The weekly meetings of the Habonim group, which
consisted mainly of uyoung German-Jews working on Oxfordshire and Berkshire farms,
have had to be suspended, as the members can no longer travel to and >from Oxford.'
If Berkshire perhaps also Buckinghamshire.
They were presumably a Hachsharah (preparation) group, preparing to go to Palestine
to live on kibbutzim. I suppose the Buckinghamshire group were similar.

Harold Pollins
Oxford

In a message dated 24/12/2004 08:11:49 GMT Standard Time, Laurence@LizLo.com writes:
The Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain has received the following
interesting query:

When my brother and I were children, he was born in 1940 and I was born 5
years earlier, we lived in a village called Maids Moreton, one mile north of
Buckingham. During the war, on the road between Maids Moreton and
Buckingham, was established what we called “The Jews Hostel”. Many of the
Jewish people there worked on local farms and we sometimes saw their wedding
and other religious ceremonies (but >from the road). They lived in a series
of Nissen huts and kept themselves very much to themselves. The Nissen huts
have been removed and the site has been built on. Does the Society know
anything more about this Jewish community?

If anyone has any information about this community, the Nissen huts or "The
Jew's Hostel", could they please either post it to this discussion group, or
alternatively to me using enquiries@jgsgb.org.uk , and I shall pass on the
relevant details.

By the way, the enquirer has offered to provide the Society's library with a
plan of the site showing the huts and where people lived.

Laurence Harris
Enquiries Officer JGSGB


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: Jews working on farms near Maids Moreton and Buckingham ... #unitedkingdom

HPOLLINS@...
 

I know that the following does not answer this specific question but the
Jewish Chronicle of 4 August 1939 contained an article which referred to about
125 German-Jewish refugees who were cultivating Foxhill Farm in Oxfordshire.
They were based at Tythrop House, Kingsey-near-Thame. A further note in the JC of
29 September 1939 stated that 'The weekly meetings of the Habonim group, which
consisted mainly of uyoung German-Jews working on Oxfordshire and Berkshire farms,
have had to be suspended, as the members can no longer travel to and >from Oxford.'
If Berkshire perhaps also Buckinghamshire.
They were presumably a Hachsharah (preparation) group, preparing to go to Palestine
to live on kibbutzim. I suppose the Buckinghamshire group were similar.

Harold Pollins
Oxford

In a message dated 24/12/2004 08:11:49 GMT Standard Time, Laurence@LizLo.com writes:
The Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain has received the following
interesting query:

When my brother and I were children, he was born in 1940 and I was born 5
years earlier, we lived in a village called Maids Moreton, one mile north of
Buckingham. During the war, on the road between Maids Moreton and
Buckingham, was established what we called “The Jews Hostel”. Many of the
Jewish people there worked on local farms and we sometimes saw their wedding
and other religious ceremonies (but >from the road). They lived in a series
of Nissen huts and kept themselves very much to themselves. The Nissen huts
have been removed and the site has been built on. Does the Society know
anything more about this Jewish community?

If anyone has any information about this community, the Nissen huts or "The
Jew's Hostel", could they please either post it to this discussion group, or
alternatively to me using enquiries@jgsgb.org.uk , and I shall pass on the
relevant details.

By the way, the enquirer has offered to provide the Society's library with a
plan of the site showing the huts and where people lived.

Laurence Harris
Enquiries Officer JGSGB


Closure on Yad Vashem Pages of Testimony Submitter #general

Howard Orenstein
 

With the help of various people in Israel and elsewhere on this listserv,
I was given some leads to pursue concerning the location of a person
who submitted Pages of Testimony to Yad Vashem for members of my
family who perished. I sent letters to such leads, and one person wrote
back. She was not the person for whom I was searching, but she offered
to contact all of the others. Unfortunately, she discovered that not only
did everyone pass away, but no one had any children or other relatives
whom I could contact. So, although I did not find the person for whom
I was searching, and feel a bit disappointed, at least now, I have some
closure on that chapter of our family's history. I want to thank everyone
on this list who offered his/her help to me.

Howard B. Orenstein, Ph.D.
Westminster, MD
horenstein@mcdaniel.edu
http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/HIK.html


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Closure on Yad Vashem Pages of Testimony Submitter #general

Howard Orenstein
 

With the help of various people in Israel and elsewhere on this listserv,
I was given some leads to pursue concerning the location of a person
who submitted Pages of Testimony to Yad Vashem for members of my
family who perished. I sent letters to such leads, and one person wrote
back. She was not the person for whom I was searching, but she offered
to contact all of the others. Unfortunately, she discovered that not only
did everyone pass away, but no one had any children or other relatives
whom I could contact. So, although I did not find the person for whom
I was searching, and feel a bit disappointed, at least now, I have some
closure on that chapter of our family's history. I want to thank everyone
on this list who offered his/her help to me.

Howard B. Orenstein, Ph.D.
Westminster, MD
horenstein@mcdaniel.edu
http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/HIK.html


"French Cavewoman" ancestry gets a boost? #dna

howard sachs <hfsachs@...>
 

I have previously speculated about whether my H haplogroup female
ancestry ("Helena" to Bryan Sykes) indicated a likely "mixed
marriage" in Europe with a lonely Jewish traveler, perhaps in Roman
Empire days, or an earlier joining of what became the Jewish people
in the Middle East. It now seems that "French cavewoman" ancestry
may be consistent with both, if there was some "back-migration from
Europe," as a current book suggests. (Stephen Oppenheimer, "The
Real Eve", 2004 paperback, page 145.)

As I understand Oppenheimer, HV, the predecessor of H, may have
taken a great circle tour, starting somewhat East and South of the
Levant, traveling Northward into Central Asia, then Westward into
Europe, and finally migrating backward, to a limited extent, into
the Levant.

With the possible exception of substantial back-migration, this is
probably the line of travel of the male haplogroups R1a and R1b,
according to Oppenheimer. Like Sykes, he is a scientist connected
with Oxford.

I am attracted to the Oppenheimer book as an improvement over Sykes,
in that it seems to avoid oversimplifying the story and is supported
by footnoted sources. As a lay reader I have not abandoned Sykes as
more entertaining and better at introducing the pertinent "popular
science"...

Perhaps the new testing of H subdivisions at Family Tree DNA may
provide more answers for those seeking insight about probable
ancient family history (a further explanation by the sponsors of
that testing would be interesting).

Howard Sachs


DNA Research #DNA "French Cavewoman" ancestry gets a boost? #dna

howard sachs <hfsachs@...>
 

I have previously speculated about whether my H haplogroup female
ancestry ("Helena" to Bryan Sykes) indicated a likely "mixed
marriage" in Europe with a lonely Jewish traveler, perhaps in Roman
Empire days, or an earlier joining of what became the Jewish people
in the Middle East. It now seems that "French cavewoman" ancestry
may be consistent with both, if there was some "back-migration from
Europe," as a current book suggests. (Stephen Oppenheimer, "The
Real Eve", 2004 paperback, page 145.)

As I understand Oppenheimer, HV, the predecessor of H, may have
taken a great circle tour, starting somewhat East and South of the
Levant, traveling Northward into Central Asia, then Westward into
Europe, and finally migrating backward, to a limited extent, into
the Levant.

With the possible exception of substantial back-migration, this is
probably the line of travel of the male haplogroups R1a and R1b,
according to Oppenheimer. Like Sykes, he is a scientist connected
with Oxford.

I am attracted to the Oppenheimer book as an improvement over Sykes,
in that it seems to avoid oversimplifying the story and is supported
by footnoted sources. As a lay reader I have not abandoned Sykes as
more entertaining and better at introducing the pertinent "popular
science"...

Perhaps the new testing of H subdivisions at Family Tree DNA may
provide more answers for those seeking insight about probable
ancient family history (a further explanation by the sponsors of
that testing would be interesting).

Howard Sachs


Jews working on farms near Maids Moreton and Buckingham, during WW2 #unitedkingdom

Laurence Harris <Laurence@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain has received the =
following
interesting query:

When my brother and I were children, he was born in 1940 and I was born =
5
years earlier, we lived in a village called Maids Moreton, one mile =
north of
Buckingham.=A0 During the war, on the road between Maids Moreton and
Buckingham, was established what we called =93The Jews Hostel=94.=A0 =
Many of the
Jewish people there worked on local farms and we sometimes saw their =
wedding
and other religious ceremonies (but >from the road). They lived in a =
series
of Nissen huts and kept themselves very much to themselves. The Nissen =
huts
have been removed and the site has been built on. Does the Society =
know
anything more about this Jewish community?

If anyone has any information about this community, the Nissen huts or =
"The
Jew's Hostel", could they please either post it to this discussion =
group, or
alternatively to me using enquiries@jgsgb.org.uk , and I shall pass on =
the
relevant details.

By the way, the enquirer has offered to provide the Society's library =
with a
plan of the site showing the huts and where people lived.

Laurence Harris
Enquiries Officer JGSGB


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Jews working on farms near Maids Moreton and Buckingham, during WW2 #unitedkingdom

Laurence Harris <Laurence@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain has received the =
following
interesting query:

When my brother and I were children, he was born in 1940 and I was born =
5
years earlier, we lived in a village called Maids Moreton, one mile =
north of
Buckingham.=A0 During the war, on the road between Maids Moreton and
Buckingham, was established what we called =93The Jews Hostel=94.=A0 =
Many of the
Jewish people there worked on local farms and we sometimes saw their =
wedding
and other religious ceremonies (but >from the road). They lived in a =
series
of Nissen huts and kept themselves very much to themselves. The Nissen =
huts
have been removed and the site has been built on. Does the Society =
know
anything more about this Jewish community?

If anyone has any information about this community, the Nissen huts or =
"The
Jew's Hostel", could they please either post it to this discussion =
group, or
alternatively to me using enquiries@jgsgb.org.uk , and I shall pass on =
the
relevant details.

By the way, the enquirer has offered to provide the Society's library =
with a
plan of the site showing the huts and where people lived.

Laurence Harris
Enquiries Officer JGSGB


Re: Women & naturalization #belarus

Gladys Friedman Paulin <gp21603@...>
 

In 1907, the U.S. Congress passed a law stating that women derived their
citizenship >from their father, if single, and >from their husband, if married.
The law stated that a female who married an alien lost her American citizenship
and derived her citizenship >from her alien husband. If that husband became a
naturalized citizen before 1922, when women had to take out their own
naturalization papers, then the woman regained her citizenship >from her
husband's naturalization. If the husband did not become a naturalized citizen
by 1922, the woman could file for her own naturalizationbeginning in 1922
(regardless of her birthplace). In 1936, the government finally passed a law
permitting women who had lost their citizenship and not gone thru the
naturalization process to mearely file their oath and restore their citizenship
which had been lost.

Please read Marian L. Smith's article in "Prologue" which is on-line at
<http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/summer_1998_women_and_naturalization_1.html>

The history of naturalization and the laws are available on-line at:
<http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/aboutus/history/index.htm>

Gladys
Gladys Friedman Paulin, CGRS
Winter Springs, FL
MODERATOR NOTE: This thread is now closed.


Belarus SIG #Belarus RE:RE:Women & naturalization #belarus

Gladys Friedman Paulin <gp21603@...>
 

In 1907, the U.S. Congress passed a law stating that women derived their
citizenship >from their father, if single, and >from their husband, if married.
The law stated that a female who married an alien lost her American citizenship
and derived her citizenship >from her alien husband. If that husband became a
naturalized citizen before 1922, when women had to take out their own
naturalization papers, then the woman regained her citizenship >from her
husband's naturalization. If the husband did not become a naturalized citizen
by 1922, the woman could file for her own naturalizationbeginning in 1922
(regardless of her birthplace). In 1936, the government finally passed a law
permitting women who had lost their citizenship and not gone thru the
naturalization process to mearely file their oath and restore their citizenship
which had been lost.

Please read Marian L. Smith's article in "Prologue" which is on-line at
<http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/summer_1998_women_and_naturalization_1.html>

The history of naturalization and the laws are available on-line at:
<http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/aboutus/history/index.htm>

Gladys
Gladys Friedman Paulin, CGRS
Winter Springs, FL
MODERATOR NOTE: This thread is now closed.


Kalvarija vital records #lithuania

cindygerstl@juno.com <cindygerstl@...>
 

Regarding Marie Lubman's comments on not being able to find her town's
vital records, I'd like to suggest that she look at the Warsaw Archives.
Surprisingly, I have found some of my Lithuanian records in Warsaw. I
assume the changing of political borders influenced where records are
currently stored. An important thing to remember is that cities that
never changed hands might have had their records stored in a city whose
archives did change hands. Consequently, records >from Lithuanian cities
that were never part of Poland (for example) might be found in Polish
archives.

Cindy Gerstl

Dr. Cynthia Koren Gerstl researching:
Levitt, Koren, Schaudinisky, Bablowsky >from Virbalis, Lithuania (Suvalk)

Jacobs, Weinstein >from Svir, Byel. and North Adams MA USA

Koren, Bayarsky >from Lida, Zheludok, Orlya in Byel.

Gerstl, Grossman, Glaser, Hacker >from Vienna Austria

Gerstl, Hacker >from Kobersdorf, Austria (Austria-Hungary)

MODERATOR'S NOTE: To check which archives may hold the records from
your town, search the Archival Database of Miriam Weiner's Routes to
Routes website at www.rtrfoundation.org


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Kalvarija vital records #lithuania

cindygerstl@juno.com <cindygerstl@...>
 

Regarding Marie Lubman's comments on not being able to find her town's
vital records, I'd like to suggest that she look at the Warsaw Archives.
Surprisingly, I have found some of my Lithuanian records in Warsaw. I
assume the changing of political borders influenced where records are
currently stored. An important thing to remember is that cities that
never changed hands might have had their records stored in a city whose
archives did change hands. Consequently, records >from Lithuanian cities
that were never part of Poland (for example) might be found in Polish
archives.

Cindy Gerstl

Dr. Cynthia Koren Gerstl researching:
Levitt, Koren, Schaudinisky, Bablowsky >from Virbalis, Lithuania (Suvalk)

Jacobs, Weinstein >from Svir, Byel. and North Adams MA USA

Koren, Bayarsky >from Lida, Zheludok, Orlya in Byel.

Gerstl, Grossman, Glaser, Hacker >from Vienna Austria

Gerstl, Hacker >from Kobersdorf, Austria (Austria-Hungary)

MODERATOR'S NOTE: To check which archives may hold the records from
your town, search the Archival Database of Miriam Weiner's Routes to
Routes website at www.rtrfoundation.org


Re: Were baby girls ever named for deceased MEN? #lithuania

Arnold Davidson <arnoldbd@...>
 

My grandfather, Avraham Dov, was mashgiach of the Lomza Yeshiva and his
wife was >from the family of the Vilna Gaon so both were Orthodox, observant
and Judaically knowledgeable. My grandfather died in Lomza in 1911, before
his youngest child was born. My grandmother named the girl Bracha
Dova. The Dova was for Avraham Dov and the Bracha was intended to mean
that the baby was a blessing.

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:06:11 +0200 Andi Alpert Ziegelman wrote:

In the Pale of Settlement (Russia, Belarus, Ukraine) were baby girls ever
named for deceased men?
Arnold Davidson
Boynton Beach, FL
arnoldbd@mindspring.com


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re:Were baby girls ever named for deceased MEN? #lithuania

Arnold Davidson <arnoldbd@...>
 

My grandfather, Avraham Dov, was mashgiach of the Lomza Yeshiva and his
wife was >from the family of the Vilna Gaon so both were Orthodox, observant
and Judaically knowledgeable. My grandfather died in Lomza in 1911, before
his youngest child was born. My grandmother named the girl Bracha
Dova. The Dova was for Avraham Dov and the Bracha was intended to mean
that the baby was a blessing.

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:06:11 +0200 Andi Alpert Ziegelman wrote:

In the Pale of Settlement (Russia, Belarus, Ukraine) were baby girls ever
named for deceased men?
Arnold Davidson
Boynton Beach, FL
arnoldbd@mindspring.com


Shilel-Silale-Shilelin Website #lithuania

Lorri <lorrim@...>
 

I would like everyone to know that I am working hard on implementing
the Shilel/Silale/Shilelin website on JewishGen. I should have had it
finished a month ago (my personal timeline), but, unfortunately, my
mother passed away on November 11th. I haven't had the energy or
motivation to get the site running until now. I hope to have it
online and ready to go before the end of January. I will let everyone
know when it is online, up and running, and provide the link to all of
you.

Sincerely,

Lorraine Millings
California
Searching for MILLINGS, SAFFER, SOLOMONS, LEVINE
Shilel, Lithuania; Belarus; Russia; England, Poland, Ukraine

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Our condolences on the loss of your mother. May her
memory be for a blessing.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Shilel-Silale-Shilelin Website #lithuania

Lorri <lorrim@...>
 

I would like everyone to know that I am working hard on implementing
the Shilel/Silale/Shilelin website on JewishGen. I should have had it
finished a month ago (my personal timeline), but, unfortunately, my
mother passed away on November 11th. I haven't had the energy or
motivation to get the site running until now. I hope to have it
online and ready to go before the end of January. I will let everyone
know when it is online, up and running, and provide the link to all of
you.

Sincerely,

Lorraine Millings
California
Searching for MILLINGS, SAFFER, SOLOMONS, LEVINE
Shilel, Lithuania; Belarus; Russia; England, Poland, Ukraine

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Our condolences on the loss of your mother. May her
memory be for a blessing.