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Re: St. Albans Records #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

The border crossing used by the NY & Hudson River RR for the route between
Montreal and NYC was Rouse's Point. This was a relatively small border
station. I suspect Canadian citizens were not subject to the Manifest
requirements, thus the short list for a train load. Immigrants traveling
directly >from their ships would have been listed on the ship's manifest and
so not on this RR manifest. The probably carried some sort of clearance
ticket >from the ship-side inspection, although I have no confirmation of that.

The old RR station at the Rouse's Point crossing was built about 1905.
Although no longer used by the railroads, it was standing, abandoned, when I
visited there about 1994. It was one of those handsome red brick buildings
with turrets and round pointed-roofed towers for decoration, but relatively
small with only about 3 ground floor rooms. I could imaging the train
stopping there for 30 minutes while customs staff checked people against the
manifest as well as dealt with cargo. (The Amtrak station there was a
small, undistinguished, house-like structure a few hundred feet north of the
old station building.)

--
Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY

"Lynne R Shapiro" <lynneshap@juno.com> wrote

"My" St. Albans record, >from January, 1905, does look almost exactly like
a record >from a ship's manifest, but is >from the Hudson River RR,
Montreal to NYC. The only thing "different" is that only the first seven
lines of a 30 line form are filled in with names and info.; the rest are
actually stamped "not used". The title on the top is "List or Manifest
of Alien Passengers Applying for Admission to the United States from
Foreign Contiguous Territory". When my grandfather came to the United
States, he first entered through New York, and there is an Ellis Island
record for him. But, according to the family lore, he did not have
enough money to be admitted. HIAS saw to it that he was sent to
Montreal. When he was there, he "blackmailed" his wife's brother, an
earlier immigrant to New York, by threatening to leave the wife without
divorcing her if the brother would not vouch for him (put up enough
money?) so he could re-enter the U.S. It worked; a few weeks later, he
was on a train headed for NYC, and the St. Albans records back up this
story. The relative he was going to join was indeed that brother-in-law.
(He sent for his wife late that same year.)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: St. Albans Records #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

The border crossing used by the NY & Hudson River RR for the route between
Montreal and NYC was Rouse's Point. This was a relatively small border
station. I suspect Canadian citizens were not subject to the Manifest
requirements, thus the short list for a train load. Immigrants traveling
directly >from their ships would have been listed on the ship's manifest and
so not on this RR manifest. The probably carried some sort of clearance
ticket >from the ship-side inspection, although I have no confirmation of that.

The old RR station at the Rouse's Point crossing was built about 1905.
Although no longer used by the railroads, it was standing, abandoned, when I
visited there about 1994. It was one of those handsome red brick buildings
with turrets and round pointed-roofed towers for decoration, but relatively
small with only about 3 ground floor rooms. I could imaging the train
stopping there for 30 minutes while customs staff checked people against the
manifest as well as dealt with cargo. (The Amtrak station there was a
small, undistinguished, house-like structure a few hundred feet north of the
old station building.)

--
Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY

"Lynne R Shapiro" <lynneshap@juno.com> wrote

"My" St. Albans record, >from January, 1905, does look almost exactly like
a record >from a ship's manifest, but is >from the Hudson River RR,
Montreal to NYC. The only thing "different" is that only the first seven
lines of a 30 line form are filled in with names and info.; the rest are
actually stamped "not used". The title on the top is "List or Manifest
of Alien Passengers Applying for Admission to the United States from
Foreign Contiguous Territory". When my grandfather came to the United
States, he first entered through New York, and there is an Ellis Island
record for him. But, according to the family lore, he did not have
enough money to be admitted. HIAS saw to it that he was sent to
Montreal. When he was there, he "blackmailed" his wife's brother, an
earlier immigrant to New York, by threatening to leave the wife without
divorcing her if the brother would not vouch for him (put up enough
money?) so he could re-enter the U.S. It worked; a few weeks later, he
was on a train headed for NYC, and the St. Albans records back up this
story. The relative he was going to join was indeed that brother-in-law.
(He sent for his wife late that same year.)


Re: St. Alban's Canadian-US border crossings #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

<hoenig@vims.edu> wrote in part

The US Government convinced ships entering Canadian ports to prepare a
separate ship's manifest for travellers who intended to continue on to the US.
These manifests look just like what you see on the Ellis Island website.

It may be worth noting that this was not a matter of persuasion. The US
developed an agreement with Canada around 1895 that permitted US Customs (
and later Immigration) to inspect those passengers who arrived by ship at
Montreal or Halifax with the stated intention of continuing on to the US.
This was the inspection that would have been conducted at Ellis Island had
they landed at the Port of New York, and that is why the forms look the
same. (In many cases the people would have purchased combined sea and land
travel before leaving Europe.)

So it was not a matter of the ships being persuaded, but rather a matter of
Canadian and US requirements that the ships officers complied with.

--
Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: St. Alban's Canadian-US border crossings #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

<hoenig@vims.edu> wrote in part

The US Government convinced ships entering Canadian ports to prepare a
separate ship's manifest for travellers who intended to continue on to the US.
These manifests look just like what you see on the Ellis Island website.

It may be worth noting that this was not a matter of persuasion. The US
developed an agreement with Canada around 1895 that permitted US Customs (
and later Immigration) to inspect those passengers who arrived by ship at
Montreal or Halifax with the stated intention of continuing on to the US.
This was the inspection that would have been conducted at Ellis Island had
they landed at the Port of New York, and that is why the forms look the
same. (In many cases the people would have purchased combined sea and land
travel before leaving Europe.)

So it was not a matter of the ships being persuaded, but rather a matter of
Canadian and US requirements that the ships officers complied with.

--
Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY


The Auschwitz Album at the Field Museum #general

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

For thouse of you in the Chicago area or who will be visiting by
mid-October, there is a temporary exhibit there called: The Auschwitz Album.
On the day American forces liberated her concentration camp, a young
prisoner named Lili found a photo album in one of the SS barracks. These images
are now on display through October 15 at The Field Museum in Chicago. This
exhibition was created by Yad Vashem, The Holocaust Martyrs, and Heroes,
Remembrance Authority in Israel. The Field Museum presentation is made possible
by the American Society for Yad Vashem.

For more information the link is:
http://www.fieldmuseum.org/exhibits/aus_tempexhib.htm

Best Regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272)
Corona, California
FISHER/FISCHER/FISZER,FISZEL (Warszawa& Bedzin,Poland),S(Z)PRINGER,HERSZLIKOWICZ,
HAMBURGER (Bedzin, Lagiza, Zarki, Poland), GERSTEN (Obertyn Galacia) BARSKA/BARSKY
BARSKIY(Odessa), GOLDBERG (Sokolka?), FELDMAN (Veliuona,Kaunas), CAHN (Koln),
FRIEDSAM (Bodendorf, Coln? Germany, Pittsburgh, PA), NEWHAN/NEUHAN/NEUHAHN
(Hesse Cassel, Meimbressen, Germany, Baltimore, MD), BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty,
Ukraine), LEVINE, BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ, ABRAMS,RABINOWITZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The Auschwitz Album at the Field Museum #general

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

For thouse of you in the Chicago area or who will be visiting by
mid-October, there is a temporary exhibit there called: The Auschwitz Album.
On the day American forces liberated her concentration camp, a young
prisoner named Lili found a photo album in one of the SS barracks. These images
are now on display through October 15 at The Field Museum in Chicago. This
exhibition was created by Yad Vashem, The Holocaust Martyrs, and Heroes,
Remembrance Authority in Israel. The Field Museum presentation is made possible
by the American Society for Yad Vashem.

For more information the link is:
http://www.fieldmuseum.org/exhibits/aus_tempexhib.htm

Best Regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272)
Corona, California
FISHER/FISCHER/FISZER,FISZEL (Warszawa& Bedzin,Poland),S(Z)PRINGER,HERSZLIKOWICZ,
HAMBURGER (Bedzin, Lagiza, Zarki, Poland), GERSTEN (Obertyn Galacia) BARSKA/BARSKY
BARSKIY(Odessa), GOLDBERG (Sokolka?), FELDMAN (Veliuona,Kaunas), CAHN (Koln),
FRIEDSAM (Bodendorf, Coln? Germany, Pittsburgh, PA), NEWHAN/NEUHAN/NEUHAHN
(Hesse Cassel, Meimbressen, Germany, Baltimore, MD), BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty,
Ukraine), LEVINE, BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ, ABRAMS,RABINOWITZ


Wealthy in Hildesheim, Germany? #general

Elodee Gates <egates@...>
 

Does anyone know how common it was for a Jewish family to have a maid in
19th century Germany? I am researching POPPER, NACHTIGAL, APPEL and
SILBER families in Hildesheim, Germany between 1800 and 1880. A few of
them had maids listed in the census. Since only moneyed families had
wills and real estate, I'd like to know if having household help
indicated wealth before I pay a researcher to study Wills and Court
Records in Hildesheim.

Elodee Gates
Boulder, Colorado
USA
elodeegates@msn.com


Re: NYC marriage certificates #germany

Denise Azbill <famaz1@...>
 

I would like to thank everyone who responded to my query about where to find
NYC marriage certificates. I learned a lot!

Denise Weidenfeld Azbill
Las Vegas, NV


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Wealthy in Hildesheim, Germany? #general

Elodee Gates <egates@...>
 

Does anyone know how common it was for a Jewish family to have a maid in
19th century Germany? I am researching POPPER, NACHTIGAL, APPEL and
SILBER families in Hildesheim, Germany between 1800 and 1880. A few of
them had maids listed in the census. Since only moneyed families had
wills and real estate, I'd like to know if having household help
indicated wealth before I pay a researcher to study Wills and Court
Records in Hildesheim.

Elodee Gates
Boulder, Colorado
USA
elodeegates@msn.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: NYC marriage certificates #general

Denise Azbill <famaz1@...>
 

I would like to thank everyone who responded to my query about where to find
NYC marriage certificates. I learned a lot!

Denise Weidenfeld Azbill
Las Vegas, NV


Re: The name Yale (Yale EPSTEIN) #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

One of my 16 gtgtgt grandfathers was named Yechiel
BIACH. He was born in Moravia in the late 1700s and
moved to Pressburg where his family lived before
moving to Vienna in the mid-1800s. I was wondering
what he might have called himself had he moved to the
USA and I think Yale is a very likely choice -
suitably "anglo", befitting his new home - academic,
neat and sound-alike.

In case, you think this is fancyful see:

http://www.ethelea.org/YaleRE56.html

and

http://tinyurl.com/f6dcj

Celia Male [U.K.]

MODERATOR NOTE: With this, we are closing this thread. Thank you.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The name Yale (Yale EPSTEIN) #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

One of my 16 gtgtgt grandfathers was named Yechiel
BIACH. He was born in Moravia in the late 1700s and
moved to Pressburg where his family lived before
moving to Vienna in the mid-1800s. I was wondering
what he might have called himself had he moved to the
USA and I think Yale is a very likely choice -
suitably "anglo", befitting his new home - academic,
neat and sound-alike.

In case, you think this is fancyful see:

http://www.ethelea.org/YaleRE56.html

and

http://tinyurl.com/f6dcj

Celia Male [U.K.]

MODERATOR NOTE: With this, we are closing this thread. Thank you.


Re: Given name 'Yale' #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:11:23 UTC, Suprlmn@aol.com opined:

In a JewishGen message dated 6/12/2006, Michael Herzlich
mherzlich@yahoo.com writes:

<< Does anybody have any comments about the given named Yale in the very
early 19th century for someone most likely in modern day Belarus. >>

My mother always referred to an older brother as 'Yale' but since there
doesn't seem to be such a name in Yiddish, I wondered about that. When
I started concentrating on her pronunciation, I realized that her brother's
name was probably JOEL, because of the way she pronounced other words with
that vowel sound. Perhaps it's a local thing; she was born in Bialystok.

B'shalom, Susan Pearlman
Nee Szejna-Dwera SZEJNMAN-KOSLOWSKY in Bialystok, Poland
To illustrate to doubters, if any remail: your own name is a perfect example
of the phonetic phenomenon you describe. "Dwera" is what Yiddish does to
"Dvora"; exactly what is done to "Yoel" in order to produce "Yale". Notice
another example in my list of surnames below in the first "O":
Noachowicz>Neachowicz. It is not peculiar to the neighborhood of Bialystok,
but is characteristic of Yiddish in a much larger area.

The friendly "B'shalom", by the way, although it fits well into the habits
of English speakers, is a greeting entirely unknown in places where Hebrew
is actually spoken.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form there.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Given name 'Yale' #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:11:23 UTC, Suprlmn@aol.com opined:

In a JewishGen message dated 6/12/2006, Michael Herzlich
mherzlich@yahoo.com writes:

<< Does anybody have any comments about the given named Yale in the very
early 19th century for someone most likely in modern day Belarus. >>

My mother always referred to an older brother as 'Yale' but since there
doesn't seem to be such a name in Yiddish, I wondered about that. When
I started concentrating on her pronunciation, I realized that her brother's
name was probably JOEL, because of the way she pronounced other words with
that vowel sound. Perhaps it's a local thing; she was born in Bialystok.

B'shalom, Susan Pearlman
Nee Szejna-Dwera SZEJNMAN-KOSLOWSKY in Bialystok, Poland
To illustrate to doubters, if any remail: your own name is a perfect example
of the phonetic phenomenon you describe. "Dwera" is what Yiddish does to
"Dvora"; exactly what is done to "Yoel" in order to produce "Yale". Notice
another example in my list of surnames below in the first "O":
Noachowicz>Neachowicz. It is not peculiar to the neighborhood of Bialystok,
but is characteristic of Yiddish in a much larger area.

The friendly "B'shalom", by the way, although it fits well into the habits
of English speakers, is a greeting entirely unknown in places where Hebrew
is actually spoken.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form there.


Re: Yale also is Eyal #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

At 7:47 AM -0400 6/14/06, Stephen Gaffin wrote:
My Uncle Yale's Hebrew name is Eyal, not Yoel.

Steve Grace Jaffe Gaffin

Dear Steve,

That may be so, but we need to bear in mind that culturally speaking,
the name "Eyal" is not a long-established Hebrew name like those
traditionally bestowed down the ages. It is a modern Israeli name (I
myself have a teen-age great-nephew in Israel named Eyal -- with no
Yo'els in his ancestry!)

In the context of Jewish genealogy today, it would be overstating
the case to claim that "Yale is also Eyal." This is highly unlikely
to be true of Yales born earlier than the mid-20th century; and when
discussing traditional Hebrew names, that earlier time period is
what we have in mind.

I would bet that virtually every Jew named "Yale" now living or
already deceased either has the Hebrew name Yo'el or had an ancestor
with that Hebrew name.

Judith Romney Wegner


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Yale also is Eyal #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

At 7:47 AM -0400 6/14/06, Stephen Gaffin wrote:
My Uncle Yale's Hebrew name is Eyal, not Yoel.

Steve Grace Jaffe Gaffin

Dear Steve,

That may be so, but we need to bear in mind that culturally speaking,
the name "Eyal" is not a long-established Hebrew name like those
traditionally bestowed down the ages. It is a modern Israeli name (I
myself have a teen-age great-nephew in Israel named Eyal -- with no
Yo'els in his ancestry!)

In the context of Jewish genealogy today, it would be overstating
the case to claim that "Yale is also Eyal." This is highly unlikely
to be true of Yales born earlier than the mid-20th century; and when
discussing traditional Hebrew names, that earlier time period is
what we have in mind.

I would bet that virtually every Jew named "Yale" now living or
already deceased either has the Hebrew name Yo'el or had an ancestor
with that Hebrew name.

Judith Romney Wegner


IAJGS Conference Resource Room #general

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
 

The Resource Room at the 26th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy will provide a wide range of electronic, print, microfilm, and
human resources to assist attendees with their research.

Computer services and databases will include....

* access to Ancestry.com, HeritageQuest census records, the New York
Times(1857-2000) and newspaper archives and Godfrey Library's collection of
online databases

* U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum Database - (three million records normally
available only at the Museum) and the Shoah Foundation's Visual History Archive
search tool and testimony catalog

* Manhattan Brides Index (the data entered so far in the Genealogy
Federation of Long Island project to index 1,400,000 marriage licenses by
bride's name)

* Memorial Database of Jewish Soldiers, Partisans and Workers Killed in
Action during Nazism (a searchable database of Jews in the Russian army
killed and missing in action during WWII)

Among the 100-plus books and other print materials on hand will be...

* dozens of reference books on general and Jewish genealogy, Jewish and New
York history, immigration, translation, cemetery research, rabbinic
research, the Holocaust and a large collection of volumes on Jewish Bialystok

* large scale insurance maps of New York's old Lower East Side and a variety
of historical and modern maps of Europe

* the Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute Fact Sheets

* individual research projects

We are also delighted to offer...

* a large collection of microfilm of Jewish interest usually housed at the
Woodside (Queens) Family History Center - including the Hamburg Emigration
Lists - and 10 microfilm readers on which to view the them

Plus we welcome the participation in the Resource Room of...

* translators to interpret documents in Russian, Polish, Spanish, Hebrew,
Yiddish, and other languages

* representatives of Ancestry.com in the Resource Room to assist in using
that site and representatives of the Shoah Foundation, available for consultation

Please check the Resource Room page on the Conference website
(www.jgsny2006.org/resource_room.cfm) for details, additional items, and
updates. If you have material to share, please contact us at
resources@jgsny2006.

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
26th Annual IAJGS Conference Program Committee Chair


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen IAJGS Conference Resource Room #general

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
 

The Resource Room at the 26th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy will provide a wide range of electronic, print, microfilm, and
human resources to assist attendees with their research.

Computer services and databases will include....

* access to Ancestry.com, HeritageQuest census records, the New York
Times(1857-2000) and newspaper archives and Godfrey Library's collection of
online databases

* U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum Database - (three million records normally
available only at the Museum) and the Shoah Foundation's Visual History Archive
search tool and testimony catalog

* Manhattan Brides Index (the data entered so far in the Genealogy
Federation of Long Island project to index 1,400,000 marriage licenses by
bride's name)

* Memorial Database of Jewish Soldiers, Partisans and Workers Killed in
Action during Nazism (a searchable database of Jews in the Russian army
killed and missing in action during WWII)

Among the 100-plus books and other print materials on hand will be...

* dozens of reference books on general and Jewish genealogy, Jewish and New
York history, immigration, translation, cemetery research, rabbinic
research, the Holocaust and a large collection of volumes on Jewish Bialystok

* large scale insurance maps of New York's old Lower East Side and a variety
of historical and modern maps of Europe

* the Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute Fact Sheets

* individual research projects

We are also delighted to offer...

* a large collection of microfilm of Jewish interest usually housed at the
Woodside (Queens) Family History Center - including the Hamburg Emigration
Lists - and 10 microfilm readers on which to view the them

Plus we welcome the participation in the Resource Room of...

* translators to interpret documents in Russian, Polish, Spanish, Hebrew,
Yiddish, and other languages

* representatives of Ancestry.com in the Resource Room to assist in using
that site and representatives of the Shoah Foundation, available for consultation

Please check the Resource Room page on the Conference website
(www.jgsny2006.org/resource_room.cfm) for details, additional items, and
updates. If you have material to share, please contact us at
resources@jgsny2006.

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
26th Annual IAJGS Conference Program Committee Chair


Re: problems w/ Yad Vashem database #ukraine

Hilary Henkin
 

Sharon,
Would you let us know which names you're searching for when you get
the error (and any other parameters you're using), and what browser
you're using? Let us try to duplicate the problem.

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia

At 08:57 PM 6/16/2006, Anita wrote:
Subject: problems w/ Yad Vashem database
From: taxtroll@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:11:31 -0400

I was wondering if someone could help me. I've been trying for
weeks to search the Central Database to finish a summary of records
mentioning Opalin, Ukraine (formerly Poland) but every time I try
to search, I'm directed to a IBM Workplace Service Express window.
I e-mailed Yad Vashem a while ago about the problem but got no
response. I just tried
it again and apparently my e-mail address is on a spam black list.
I was wondering if other people are having this same problem with
the search engine or if there's someone >from Yad Vashem on this
distribution list who can look into the problem and get back to me.

Thanks

Sharon Klein
Acworth, GA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine re:problems w/ Yad Vashem database #ukraine

Hilary Henkin
 

Sharon,
Would you let us know which names you're searching for when you get
the error (and any other parameters you're using), and what browser
you're using? Let us try to duplicate the problem.

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia

At 08:57 PM 6/16/2006, Anita wrote:
Subject: problems w/ Yad Vashem database
From: taxtroll@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:11:31 -0400

I was wondering if someone could help me. I've been trying for
weeks to search the Central Database to finish a summary of records
mentioning Opalin, Ukraine (formerly Poland) but every time I try
to search, I'm directed to a IBM Workplace Service Express window.
I e-mailed Yad Vashem a while ago about the problem but got no
response. I just tried
it again and apparently my e-mail address is on a spam black list.
I was wondering if other people are having this same problem with
the search engine or if there's someone >from Yad Vashem on this
distribution list who can look into the problem and get back to me.

Thanks

Sharon Klein
Acworth, GA