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Giving thanks for ..... our newsletter editor and contributors! #belarus

Sfingold
 

Let's give thanks to our wonderful newsletter editor,
Fran Bock, who keeps posting new articles for us to
read. She has been our editor for quite some, at
least since 2002!!!

Let's also thank all the contributors over the years
who share their stories or information they've
discovered with all of us.

When is the last time you've looked at the newsletter?
You can find articles at
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/newsletter/bnl_index.htm.


The latest articles are very moving stories of life in
Belarus during various periods >from 1900 to after
WWII. the 20th century.

If you have a story to share--family history, travels
in Belarus, or information you uncovered while doing
your research--please contact Fran and let her know.

A gentle reminder: All articles published in our
online newsletter are copyrighted and should not be
copied unless you have the permission of the copyright
holder. Contact Fran if you have any questions. If
you find an article you want to share with people
outside of the SIG, send them the link and they can
view it on our website.

Wishing you all the best. Thanks again to our editor
and contributors!

Sharon Fingold
Co-Coordinator of the JewishGen Belarus SIG
Belarus SIG #Belarus Giving thanks for ..... our newsletter editor and contributors! #belarus

Sfingold
 

Let's give thanks to our wonderful newsletter editor,
Fran Bock, who keeps posting new articles for us to
read. She has been our editor for quite some, at
least since 2002!!!

Let's also thank all the contributors over the years
who share their stories or information they've
discovered with all of us.

When is the last time you've looked at the newsletter?
You can find articles at
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/newsletter/bnl_index.htm.


The latest articles are very moving stories of life in
Belarus during various periods >from 1900 to after
WWII. the 20th century.

If you have a story to share--family history, travels
in Belarus, or information you uncovered while doing
your research--please contact Fran and let her know.

A gentle reminder: All articles published in our
online newsletter are copyrighted and should not be
copied unless you have the permission of the copyright
holder. Contact Fran if you have any questions. If
you find an article you want to share with people
outside of the SIG, send them the link and they can
view it on our website.

Wishing you all the best. Thanks again to our editor
and contributors!

Sharon Fingold
Co-Coordinator of the JewishGen Belarus SIG
Re: Bessarabia vs Bazar #general

Naomi Fatouros
 

I did a quick google search to look for possibilities
for Channah inquiry concerning "Bazar" and its
whereabouts.
I turned up one site which said that a place called "
"Novi Bazar" which is a strip lying between Serbia and
Montenegro. See:

http://www.bartleby.com/67/1108.html

and another site which talked about the town of
Jaslowiec, known as "Armenian town" and its
inhabitants who would hold large trade fairs in a
nearby village with the "tell tale" name "Bazar." See:

http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/w/x/wxk116/sjk/jazch4.html

Whether either of these places(if they are separate
places) were inhabited by Jews, I did not investigate,
but given the fact that many Jews were engaged in
peddling and trading I would expect that they would
have had connections with either or both of these
places.

On Nov. 22, 2006 "ms nodrog" wrote:
Dear Genners,
On my grandmother's and mother's manifest it
states that they came >from "BAZAR." Is this the
same place as "BESSARABIA?" Is Bazar in the
Ukraine?
Please respond to msnodrog@yahoo.com

Thanks in advance,
Channah
Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@sbcglobal.net
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/
SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.
Sokiryany's shochet #ukraine

Abrahao <435.gavea@...>
 

Hi all,
I learned today after talking personally with Michael Stivelman, who
was born in Sokiryany and emigrated to Brazil at the age of 13, that
mentioning "Schechtman" alone is not the same thing as mentioning
"Moishe Shochet", Z"L, as my great-grandfather >from there. For anyone
who have lived there and heard about him, please share with me what
you've heard, privately.

Kol tuv,
Avrum
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Bessarabia vs Bazar #ukraine

Naomi Fatouros
 

I did a quick google search to look for possibilities
for Channah inquiry concerning "Bazar" and its
whereabouts.
I turned up one site which said that a place called "
"Novi Bazar" which is a strip lying between Serbia and
Montenegro. See:

http://www.bartleby.com/67/1108.html

and another site which talked about the town of
Jaslowiec, known as "Armenian town" and its
inhabitants who would hold large trade fairs in a
nearby village with the "tell tale" name "Bazar." See:

http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/w/x/wxk116/sjk/jazch4.html

Whether either of these places(if they are separate
places) were inhabited by Jews, I did not investigate,
but given the fact that many Jews were engaged in
peddling and trading I would expect that they would
have had connections with either or both of these
places.

On Nov. 22, 2006 "ms nodrog" wrote:
Dear Genners,
On my grandmother's and mother's manifest it
states that they came >from "BAZAR." Is this the
same place as "BESSARABIA?" Is Bazar in the
Ukraine?
Please respond to msnodrog@yahoo.com

Thanks in advance,
Channah
Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@sbcglobal.net
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/
SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Sokiryany's shochet #ukraine

Abrahao <435.gavea@...>
 

Hi all,
I learned today after talking personally with Michael Stivelman, who
was born in Sokiryany and emigrated to Brazil at the age of 13, that
mentioning "Schechtman" alone is not the same thing as mentioning
"Moishe Shochet", Z"L, as my great-grandfather >from there. For anyone
who have lived there and heard about him, please share with me what
you've heard, privately.

Kol tuv,
Avrum
Needed-Synopsis of a 2 documents from Belarus -written in 1) today's Russian ) and 2) Spanish #general

Joyce Oshrin <joshrin@...>
 

This Spring a relative (who was born in Domachevo and left when he was 9)
revisited Domachevo. He came back with many pages in Russian pertaining to
the town. When WW2 ended, Stalin ordered every town in Russia to write a
report of what happened to the town while the Nazis were there and who was
killed etc. He came back with those reports but they are in Russian. It's
not Old Russian but I can't translate it. I do have all the pages on a CD.
Could someone read it and tell me what it says?

The other pages that he brought back was about 40+ pages of a book written
by a Domachevo survivor. It tells the entire history of Domachevo, plus the
war years, etc.It has many names in it. It was in Russian. I told him I
couldn't read Russian so he said he'd get it translated for me. I received
the translation a few weeks ago but it's in Spanish.I can't read Spanish
either. I'm going to put the pages on a CD. Could someone read it and not
translate it but just give me the gist of the contents if I sent them the
CD? Tell me what it says about the names mentioned.

Thank you,,
Joyce Oshrin
joshrin@att.net

I've done JRI indexing for years but translating a document is easy
compared to try and translate pages of a manuscript..

Please answer privately
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Needed-Synopsis of a 2 documents from Belarus -written in 1) today's Russian ) and 2) Spanish #general

Joyce Oshrin <joshrin@...>
 

This Spring a relative (who was born in Domachevo and left when he was 9)
revisited Domachevo. He came back with many pages in Russian pertaining to
the town. When WW2 ended, Stalin ordered every town in Russia to write a
report of what happened to the town while the Nazis were there and who was
killed etc. He came back with those reports but they are in Russian. It's
not Old Russian but I can't translate it. I do have all the pages on a CD.
Could someone read it and tell me what it says?

The other pages that he brought back was about 40+ pages of a book written
by a Domachevo survivor. It tells the entire history of Domachevo, plus the
war years, etc.It has many names in it. It was in Russian. I told him I
couldn't read Russian so he said he'd get it translated for me. I received
the translation a few weeks ago but it's in Spanish.I can't read Spanish
either. I'm going to put the pages on a CD. Could someone read it and not
translate it but just give me the gist of the contents if I sent them the
CD? Tell me what it says about the names mentioned.

Thank you,,
Joyce Oshrin
joshrin@att.net

I've done JRI indexing for years but translating a document is easy
compared to try and translate pages of a manuscript..

Please answer privately
Re: When the Soviets allowed in tourists from Israel after WWII #general

A. R. <atedege@...>
 

Elan <elanc@comcast.net> wrote:
In 1953 Golda Meir was the Israeli ambassador to the Soviet Union. She
enraged the Soviets by attending High Holy Days prayers at the Moscow synagogue
and drawing a huge Jewish crowd to the place. As a result, I believe, the
Soviets broke off relations, but resumed them not too long after.<<

=====I believe this isn't accurate.
Golda Meir was sent to Moscow not in 1953 but in September 1948 and stayed there
until April 1949. Soviet Russia was one of the first countries to recognize
Israel so they exchanged ambassadors. Stalin did not break off diplomatic
relations with Israel as a result of the gathering of thousands of Moscow Jews
outside the Great Synagogue during Rosh Hashana services in 1948 just to see
Golda Meir. At that point in time he chose to do something much more cruel: the
Yiddish theater in Moscow, Yiddish newspapers, the Yiddish publishing house
"Emes" were all closed down a couple of months later; the brilliant actor
Salomon Mikhoels was murdered, eminent Yiddish writers as Dovid Bergelson,
Peretz Markish, Der Nister, Yitsik Fefer and others were accused of pro-Israel
sympathies, jailed, "tried", and executed. He made Russian Jewry pay the price
for the interest they had taken in Israel.
Aida Rauch [Belgium]

MODERATOR NOTE: Further postings on this subject need to have a genealogy thread.
Daniel BENEVET - N.Y. Death Index + Obit lookup #general

O.M.
 

Shalom,

Need help - lookup at Death Index + Obit of Daniel BENEVET (possible
alternative spelling - BENEVETT or BENAVET).

Born about 1886 in Izmir (Turkey).
According to SSD: died at Feb 1923; SSN - 060-20-3547; Last Residence
- Brooklyn, Kings, NY.

According to the 1930 U.S. federal census, he had a wife called Ester.
They lived in Bronx, NY and had 3 children: Victoria (born at 1915),
David (1916) and Rose (1921).

According to the New York Groom Index, Daniel and Ester were married at 1912.

Thanks,

Oded Mann,
Israel
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: When the Soviets allowed in tourists from Israel after WWII #general

A. R. <atedege@...>
 

Elan <elanc@comcast.net> wrote:
In 1953 Golda Meir was the Israeli ambassador to the Soviet Union. She
enraged the Soviets by attending High Holy Days prayers at the Moscow synagogue
and drawing a huge Jewish crowd to the place. As a result, I believe, the
Soviets broke off relations, but resumed them not too long after.<<

=====I believe this isn't accurate.
Golda Meir was sent to Moscow not in 1953 but in September 1948 and stayed there
until April 1949. Soviet Russia was one of the first countries to recognize
Israel so they exchanged ambassadors. Stalin did not break off diplomatic
relations with Israel as a result of the gathering of thousands of Moscow Jews
outside the Great Synagogue during Rosh Hashana services in 1948 just to see
Golda Meir. At that point in time he chose to do something much more cruel: the
Yiddish theater in Moscow, Yiddish newspapers, the Yiddish publishing house
"Emes" were all closed down a couple of months later; the brilliant actor
Salomon Mikhoels was murdered, eminent Yiddish writers as Dovid Bergelson,
Peretz Markish, Der Nister, Yitsik Fefer and others were accused of pro-Israel
sympathies, jailed, "tried", and executed. He made Russian Jewry pay the price
for the interest they had taken in Israel.
Aida Rauch [Belgium]

MODERATOR NOTE: Further postings on this subject need to have a genealogy thread.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Daniel BENEVET - N.Y. Death Index + Obit lookup #general

O.M.
 

Shalom,

Need help - lookup at Death Index + Obit of Daniel BENEVET (possible
alternative spelling - BENEVETT or BENAVET).

Born about 1886 in Izmir (Turkey).
According to SSD: died at Feb 1923; SSN - 060-20-3547; Last Residence
- Brooklyn, Kings, NY.

According to the 1930 U.S. federal census, he had a wife called Ester.
They lived in Bronx, NY and had 3 children: Victoria (born at 1915),
David (1916) and Rose (1921).

According to the New York Groom Index, Daniel and Ester were married at 1912.

Thanks,

Oded Mann,
Israel
Bessarabia vs Bazar #ukraine

ms nodrog
 

Dear Genners,
On my grandmother's and mother's manifest it
states that they came >from "BAZAR." Is this the
same place as "BESSARABIA?" Is Bazar in the
Ukraine?
Please respond to msnodrog@yahoo.com

Thanks in advance,
Channah



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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Bessarabia vs Bazar #ukraine

ms nodrog
 

Dear Genners,
On my grandmother's and mother's manifest it
states that they came >from "BAZAR." Is this the
same place as "BESSARABIA?" Is Bazar in the
Ukraine?
Please respond to msnodrog@yahoo.com

Thanks in advance,
Channah



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30/15 yr fixed, reduce debt
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Re: How Long To Receive 1931 N.Y.C . Marriage Record With Known Certificate No. & Date From Health Dept.? #general

Ira Leviton
 

Dear Cousins,

Richard May asked, "How long should it take to get a copy of a 1931
marriage record, with both certificate number and date known, >from the New
York City Department of Public Health (not the Municipal Archives)?"

I answer: Richard is getting trapped in the New York City bureaucracy.
The Department of Health has given *all* their marriage records to the
Department of Records and Information Services, which has given them to
the Municipal Archives, which in turn makes them available via microfilm.

Health no longer has *any* marriage records. At best, they'll direct
Richard, or his request, to the proper place. At worst, they'll send
him/it to the wrong place, or tell him that no records exist.

There used to be two sets of marriage records, one set recorded at the
Dept. of Health, and the other at the Office of the City Clerk. The
latter is still there, for marriages recorded during 1930 and afterward.
City Clerk records >from 1929 and prior are at the Municipal Archives, just
like all the Health records.

But there is a way out of the bureaucracy. Write to the Municipal
Archives or make the request on line, both ways using the information at
http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/vitalrecords/marriage.shtml, which
states that the turnaround time is 4 to 6 weeks. )It's usually a little
shorter.)

I hope that this helps.

Ira
Ira Leviton
New York, N.Y.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: How Long To Receive 1931 N.Y.C . Marriage Record With Known Certificate No. & Date From Health Dept.? #general

Ira Leviton
 

Dear Cousins,

Richard May asked, "How long should it take to get a copy of a 1931
marriage record, with both certificate number and date known, >from the New
York City Department of Public Health (not the Municipal Archives)?"

I answer: Richard is getting trapped in the New York City bureaucracy.
The Department of Health has given *all* their marriage records to the
Department of Records and Information Services, which has given them to
the Municipal Archives, which in turn makes them available via microfilm.

Health no longer has *any* marriage records. At best, they'll direct
Richard, or his request, to the proper place. At worst, they'll send
him/it to the wrong place, or tell him that no records exist.

There used to be two sets of marriage records, one set recorded at the
Dept. of Health, and the other at the Office of the City Clerk. The
latter is still there, for marriages recorded during 1930 and afterward.
City Clerk records >from 1929 and prior are at the Municipal Archives, just
like all the Health records.

But there is a way out of the bureaucracy. Write to the Municipal
Archives or make the request on line, both ways using the information at
http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/vitalrecords/marriage.shtml, which
states that the turnaround time is 4 to 6 weeks. )It's usually a little
shorter.)

I hope that this helps.

Ira
Ira Leviton
New York, N.Y.
Re: Persist #general

david nathan <d.nathan1@...>
 

Marian Brown wrote:

<<With free access to passenger lists on a well-known commercial site
this month, I have spent many hours searching the manifests, page by
page, name by name, and I want to share my experiences.

Looking for my great-grandparents, Rosa and Adolph Lissauer, and their
children who immigrated in 1887, I finally found them as Rosa and Adr
Cirzomer. The "L" in Lissauer was written as a lower case letter and
was magically transformed into a "C" --- The names and ages of the
children were also wierd but somewhat recognizable.

Then, I decided to look for my other great-grandmother, whose manifest I
possess. Her name was Marie Huebschman and Ancestry listed her as Marie
Rubschmann. The children were noted as Tom, a female, written Toni;
Rees, written Resi, and another Marie, very clearly written as Minna.

SO -- even though the index to these records has many, many
inaccuracies, don't give up. When I began, all I really knew was
approximate years of immigration.

Marian Brown
Cincinnati, OH>>

David replies:

What we must all remember is that the person compiling the original;
listings wrote down what they thought they heard. Most of the accents of
the time would have been alien to them, so they made the best guesses
possible. Also, the immigrants themselves may have had only limited - or
even no - English, so they would have been unable to check the spellings.
Thus the errors arose and, in many cases, perpetuated.

David Nathan, London, England
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Persist #general

david nathan <d.nathan1@...>
 

Marian Brown wrote:

<<With free access to passenger lists on a well-known commercial site
this month, I have spent many hours searching the manifests, page by
page, name by name, and I want to share my experiences.

Looking for my great-grandparents, Rosa and Adolph Lissauer, and their
children who immigrated in 1887, I finally found them as Rosa and Adr
Cirzomer. The "L" in Lissauer was written as a lower case letter and
was magically transformed into a "C" --- The names and ages of the
children were also wierd but somewhat recognizable.

Then, I decided to look for my other great-grandmother, whose manifest I
possess. Her name was Marie Huebschman and Ancestry listed her as Marie
Rubschmann. The children were noted as Tom, a female, written Toni;
Rees, written Resi, and another Marie, very clearly written as Minna.

SO -- even though the index to these records has many, many
inaccuracies, don't give up. When I began, all I really knew was
approximate years of immigration.

Marian Brown
Cincinnati, OH>>

David replies:

What we must all remember is that the person compiling the original;
listings wrote down what they thought they heard. Most of the accents of
the time would have been alien to them, so they made the best guesses
possible. Also, the immigrants themselves may have had only limited - or
even no - English, so they would have been unable to check the spellings.
Thus the errors arose and, in many cases, perpetuated.

David Nathan, London, England
GRUNWALD Family from Budapest and Former Austro-Hungarian Empire #general

pollinia@...
 

Dear Genners,

Is any of you researching the GRUNWALD family >from Budapest, who also had
branches in Transylvania and Slovakia as well? If so, please contact in private.


Best Regards,
Shaul Sharoni,
Israel
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen GRUNWALD Family from Budapest and Former Austro-Hungarian Empire #general

pollinia@...
 

Dear Genners,

Is any of you researching the GRUNWALD family >from Budapest, who also had
branches in Transylvania and Slovakia as well? If so, please contact in private.


Best Regards,
Shaul Sharoni,
Israel
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