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Poland During Holy Week #poland

Jacob D. Goldstein <jake@...>
 

Next year, the spring school vacation happens to include the
Christian Holy Week. It is also one of those unusual years when the
astronomical conditions are such that Pesach and the Christian Holy
Week are a month apart. In fact, the Spring Equinox and a full
moon occur on Good Friday.

My sister and I were thinking of visiting Poland during that
week. This would be our first visit. What are the pros and cons of
visiting Poland that week? Are the archives closed? Are the camp
memorials accessible? Are cemeteries generally guarded and perhaps
inaccessible that week? Is it easier or more difficult to get around?

Any advice you have will be gratefully appreciated.
Jake Goldstein


JRI Poland #Poland Poland During Holy Week #poland

Jacob D. Goldstein <jake@...>
 

Next year, the spring school vacation happens to include the
Christian Holy Week. It is also one of those unusual years when the
astronomical conditions are such that Pesach and the Christian Holy
Week are a month apart. In fact, the Spring Equinox and a full
moon occur on Good Friday.

My sister and I were thinking of visiting Poland during that
week. This would be our first visit. What are the pros and cons of
visiting Poland that week? Are the archives closed? Are the camp
memorials accessible? Are cemeteries generally guarded and perhaps
inaccessible that week? Is it easier or more difficult to get around?

Any advice you have will be gratefully appreciated.
Jake Goldstein


Translation of Polish Death Registration VM10634 #general

lthorpe883@...
 

Hi All-

I have posted a death registration in Polish on Viewmate and would
appreciate it if someone could translate it for me.
I believe that the widow might be my great-grandfather's sister.
The direct link is:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=10634

If the image is too small to be read, I will gladly send a larger image
directly to you. Please respond to me, not to the list.

Many thanks in advance for your help.

Linda Thorpe Caciola
lthorpe883@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Translation of Polish Death Registration VM10634 #general

lthorpe883@...
 

Hi All-

I have posted a death registration in Polish on Viewmate and would
appreciate it if someone could translate it for me.
I believe that the widow might be my great-grandfather's sister.
The direct link is:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=10634

If the image is too small to be read, I will gladly send a larger image
directly to you. Please respond to me, not to the list.

Many thanks in advance for your help.

Linda Thorpe Caciola
lthorpe883@...


Re: planning a trip #austria-czech

Julie Doochin <jdoochin@...>
 

After doing some initial research, my mother and I have decided to
visit Vienna, Sopron, Budapest and Prague to meet with a few
relatives and do more intensive familial research on site,
particularly in Vienna. We were thinking of going on Dec. 26 through
the new year and were concerned that museums, archives and cemetaries
might be closed. Does anyone know if this is true? Also, we are
novices at this and would like to do as much pre-trip preparation as
possible. For example, we definitely would like to make an appt at
the Jewish community in Vienna to look at the archives and also might
be interested in hiring a private tour guide and/or translator at
various times during the trip. Do any of you have any advice about
how we should approach and prepare for this trip?

thank you,

Julie Doochin
Nashville, TN USA


Searching for BLUM and HAHN #austria-czech

Thomas Anninger <tanninger@...>
 

Hello to the group:

I am starting to search for information on my mother's family, BLUM and
HAHN, >from southern Moravia, including Velke Mezirici, Jihlava, Dacice and
Jemnice. I am particularly interested in finding descendents of the third
generation below. Here is an outline of what I have so far:

(1) Moritz (Moses) BLUM, born ca. 1834 in Gross-Meseritsch (Velké Mezirici),
married Lina Blum, born SALZER 2 Sep 1841 in Jamnitz (Jemnice). Later she
moved to Iglau (Jihlava) to live with her daughter, Hermine. They had at
least three children.

(2) Children of Moritz and Lina BLUM
(i) Hermine BLUM, born 1 Jan 1870 in Gross-Meseritsch; married Ludwig
HAHN, born ca. 1863, son of Josef and Josefa HAHN >from Datshitz (Dacice);
Ludwig died 1912 in Jihlava.
(ii) Emil BLUM born 187? (probably in Gross-Mereritsch); Jurist und
Hofrat in Vienna. Was he in Theresianstadt during the war? There is an Emil
Blum who was cremated on 13 July 1960 in the Simmering Feuerhalle, Vienna.
Is that the same Emil? And a Grete Blum who was cremated in Simmering on 11
May 1940. Was that his wife?
(iii) Philipp (Filipp) BLUM born 2 July 1875 in Gross-Meseritsch;
schneidermeister in Vienna and died in Sao Paulo, Brazil ca. 1962

(3) Children of Ludwig and Hermine HAHN
(i) Margarethe (Grete) HAHN born 28 Nov 1892 in Iglau (Jihlava). Grete
married her uncle, Philipp Blum. Two children, Hans and Lily Blum. Grete
died in Vienna on 27 June 1939 (probable suicide).
(ii) Paul HAHN born 8 Jun 1894 in Jihlava, died 19 Mar 1907
(iii) Fritz HAHN born 30 Jan 1898 in Jihlava, merchant, died 8 Apr 1944
in Auschwitz (Osvetim); wife Jindriska, born Hausner, 12 Apr 1908 in Cvrcov
u Tovacova
(iv) Gertrude HAHN, born 27 Oct 1903 in Jihlava, died in Auschwitz;
husband Bedrich Kubín, born 24 May 1901, died Auschwitz
(v) Mariane HAHN born 27 Oct 1903 in Jihlava

I am planning to visit Jihlava in November to look for headstones. Thanks
to Jiri Fiedler?s Jewish Sights Guide Book, I have directions to the
cemeteries in Velke Mezirici and Jihlava, but I would appreciate it if any
of you know where the cemeteries in Dacice and Jemnice are located. I
wonder whether there is any listing, indexing or database that might help me
locate the stones.

I would be very grateful for any information or advice.

With thanks,
Thomas Anninger
Cambridge, MA


Ivanovice na Hane/Eiwanowitz, Southern Moravia - Jewish cemetery #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

When Harold Chipman and I were on our way to Holesov/Holleschau, Moravia to
research his LOEFF/LOFF family, we stopped behind a petrol station just outside
Vyskov. Whilst Harold went in to buy a sandwich, I stared out of the window and
realised I was looking at the sad remnants of a Jewish cemetery.

We decided to spend some time there and photograph whatever we could. The
cemetery was in a terrible state. This was already noted in the report of the
International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies - Cemetery Project


http://www.jewishgen.org/cemetery/e-europe/czechg-l.html

If the local community were to spend a few hours on it, it would look much
better. My Czech is non-existent, but I believe I made out that the current
population of Ivanovice is under 3,000 and has actually declined in the last 40
years. The following makes fascinating reading especially if you are interested
in the genealogy of Bavarian Royalty and Wagnerian names:
http://www.jacobite.ca/gazetteer/Czech/Ivanovice.htm

but it does suggest that Ivanovice has seen better days.

The result of this short, unplanned visit on Thursday 20 Sept 2007, is a small
online photographic site which you can all look at: "Ivanovice na
Hane/Eiwanowitz, Moravia - Jewish cemetery, photographed and researched by
Harold Chipman & Celia Male.":

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/sets/72157602200754142/

I checked the Austria-Czech message archives and found no-one connected with
Vyskov or Ivanovice na Hane. There were no links for either place in the JGFF
either. Hugo Gold appears to ignore them too in his book on the Jewish
Communities of Moravia. Have we no links at all to these places on our SIG?

Celia Male [U.K.]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech re: planning a trip #austria-czech

Julie Doochin <jdoochin@...>
 

After doing some initial research, my mother and I have decided to
visit Vienna, Sopron, Budapest and Prague to meet with a few
relatives and do more intensive familial research on site,
particularly in Vienna. We were thinking of going on Dec. 26 through
the new year and were concerned that museums, archives and cemetaries
might be closed. Does anyone know if this is true? Also, we are
novices at this and would like to do as much pre-trip preparation as
possible. For example, we definitely would like to make an appt at
the Jewish community in Vienna to look at the archives and also might
be interested in hiring a private tour guide and/or translator at
various times during the trip. Do any of you have any advice about
how we should approach and prepare for this trip?

thank you,

Julie Doochin
Nashville, TN USA


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Ivanovice na Hane/Eiwanowitz, Southern Moravia - Jewish cemetery #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

When Harold Chipman and I were on our way to Holesov/Holleschau, Moravia to
research his LOEFF/LOFF family, we stopped behind a petrol station just outside
Vyskov. Whilst Harold went in to buy a sandwich, I stared out of the window and
realised I was looking at the sad remnants of a Jewish cemetery.

We decided to spend some time there and photograph whatever we could. The
cemetery was in a terrible state. This was already noted in the report of the
International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies - Cemetery Project


http://www.jewishgen.org/cemetery/e-europe/czechg-l.html

If the local community were to spend a few hours on it, it would look much
better. My Czech is non-existent, but I believe I made out that the current
population of Ivanovice is under 3,000 and has actually declined in the last 40
years. The following makes fascinating reading especially if you are interested
in the genealogy of Bavarian Royalty and Wagnerian names:
http://www.jacobite.ca/gazetteer/Czech/Ivanovice.htm

but it does suggest that Ivanovice has seen better days.

The result of this short, unplanned visit on Thursday 20 Sept 2007, is a small
online photographic site which you can all look at: "Ivanovice na
Hane/Eiwanowitz, Moravia - Jewish cemetery, photographed and researched by
Harold Chipman & Celia Male.":

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/sets/72157602200754142/

I checked the Austria-Czech message archives and found no-one connected with
Vyskov or Ivanovice na Hane. There were no links for either place in the JGFF
either. Hugo Gold appears to ignore them too in his book on the Jewish
Communities of Moravia. Have we no links at all to these places on our SIG?

Celia Male [U.K.]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Searching for BLUM and HAHN #austria-czech

Thomas Anninger <tanninger@...>
 

Hello to the group:

I am starting to search for information on my mother's family, BLUM and
HAHN, >from southern Moravia, including Velke Mezirici, Jihlava, Dacice and
Jemnice. I am particularly interested in finding descendents of the third
generation below. Here is an outline of what I have so far:

(1) Moritz (Moses) BLUM, born ca. 1834 in Gross-Meseritsch (Velké Mezirici),
married Lina Blum, born SALZER 2 Sep 1841 in Jamnitz (Jemnice). Later she
moved to Iglau (Jihlava) to live with her daughter, Hermine. They had at
least three children.

(2) Children of Moritz and Lina BLUM
(i) Hermine BLUM, born 1 Jan 1870 in Gross-Meseritsch; married Ludwig
HAHN, born ca. 1863, son of Josef and Josefa HAHN >from Datshitz (Dacice);
Ludwig died 1912 in Jihlava.
(ii) Emil BLUM born 187? (probably in Gross-Mereritsch); Jurist und
Hofrat in Vienna. Was he in Theresianstadt during the war? There is an Emil
Blum who was cremated on 13 July 1960 in the Simmering Feuerhalle, Vienna.
Is that the same Emil? And a Grete Blum who was cremated in Simmering on 11
May 1940. Was that his wife?
(iii) Philipp (Filipp) BLUM born 2 July 1875 in Gross-Meseritsch;
schneidermeister in Vienna and died in Sao Paulo, Brazil ca. 1962

(3) Children of Ludwig and Hermine HAHN
(i) Margarethe (Grete) HAHN born 28 Nov 1892 in Iglau (Jihlava). Grete
married her uncle, Philipp Blum. Two children, Hans and Lily Blum. Grete
died in Vienna on 27 June 1939 (probable suicide).
(ii) Paul HAHN born 8 Jun 1894 in Jihlava, died 19 Mar 1907
(iii) Fritz HAHN born 30 Jan 1898 in Jihlava, merchant, died 8 Apr 1944
in Auschwitz (Osvetim); wife Jindriska, born Hausner, 12 Apr 1908 in Cvrcov
u Tovacova
(iv) Gertrude HAHN, born 27 Oct 1903 in Jihlava, died in Auschwitz;
husband Bedrich Kubín, born 24 May 1901, died Auschwitz
(v) Mariane HAHN born 27 Oct 1903 in Jihlava

I am planning to visit Jihlava in November to look for headstones. Thanks
to Jiri Fiedler?s Jewish Sights Guide Book, I have directions to the
cemeteries in Velke Mezirici and Jihlava, but I would appreciate it if any
of you know where the cemeteries in Dacice and Jemnice are located. I
wonder whether there is any listing, indexing or database that might help me
locate the stones.

I would be very grateful for any information or advice.

With thanks,
Thomas Anninger
Cambridge, MA


Re: Stow-aways & Passenger Manifests #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

"STEPHEN LASSER" <lasser909@...> wrote
[snip]

1) Is it possible or likely that these two teenagers >from Luknik/Luoke
could have
successfully stowed-away on a vessel?
Perhaps more likely for the journey to England than for the Transatlantic
voyage. Another possibility is that they traveled under the names of other
people as members of another family. This was sometimes done as amatter of
convenience when someone was unable to travel. It is possible that such an
arrangement might later be described as "stowing away."

2) If the stow-aways were discovered en-route, would their names have been
added
to a manifest of any sort?
Yes, as far as the voyage to America is concerned. I can't speak for the
shorter voyages to England, but those passenger lists no longer exist so it
does not matter much.


3) If stow-aways were discovered, would they have been "deported" and
returned to
their point of origin or what?
Probably not, as long as they met US entry requirements of the day. Stowing
away was an imposition on the shipping company (failing to pay the passage
charges), not a violation of US laws or regulations. If they were returned
to point of origin, that would have been an additional expense to the
shipping coupany. They had to do that if the passenger was rejected at the
inspection station, and by the late 19th century they had to do it at no
additional charge. So that would not have happened without government
requirement.

Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY
PZAVON@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Stow-aways & Passenger Manifests #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

"STEPHEN LASSER" <lasser909@...> wrote
[snip]

1) Is it possible or likely that these two teenagers >from Luknik/Luoke
could have
successfully stowed-away on a vessel?
Perhaps more likely for the journey to England than for the Transatlantic
voyage. Another possibility is that they traveled under the names of other
people as members of another family. This was sometimes done as amatter of
convenience when someone was unable to travel. It is possible that such an
arrangement might later be described as "stowing away."

2) If the stow-aways were discovered en-route, would their names have been
added
to a manifest of any sort?
Yes, as far as the voyage to America is concerned. I can't speak for the
shorter voyages to England, but those passenger lists no longer exist so it
does not matter much.


3) If stow-aways were discovered, would they have been "deported" and
returned to
their point of origin or what?
Probably not, as long as they met US entry requirements of the day. Stowing
away was an imposition on the shipping company (failing to pay the passage
charges), not a violation of US laws or regulations. If they were returned
to point of origin, that would have been an additional expense to the
shipping coupany. They had to do that if the passenger was rejected at the
inspection station, and by the late 19th century they had to do it at no
additional charge. So that would not have happened without government
requirement.

Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY
PZAVON@...


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine FW: #ukraine

Warren Epstein <eppygt@...>
 

I am searching for any information and source for vital records regarding
the following family members who came >from the Ukraine prior to their
immigration to the USA. My great-grandfather was Alter Nathan Carlstein,
born 15 June 1858, who immigrated to the USA in 1886. Perhaps his surname in
the Ukraine was spelled Karelstein and his Hebrew name was Nahum ben Tzion.
His parents were Isaac Meyer Carlstein and Miriam Aronowitz Carlstein. His
wife was Baschewe "Bessia" Zolotnitsky, born in 1859, and they married in
1875. Per Alter Nathan Carlstein's death certificate, he was born in Fastov,
Ukraine. Their daughter, Rosa Carlstein ( my grandmother ) who was born 20
December 1878 and her brother, Martin, immigrated to the USA in 1894
arriving at Philadelphia, PA. Per the ship's manifest, she arrived from
Poltava, Ukraine, either the town or the Oblast. To make their place of
origin in the Ukraine more confusing, some family members referred to their
place of origin as being "Charczike" ( spelled phonetically ) which I have
been unable to relate to any existing town in the Ukraine. Other family
members believed that the family may have originated >from Roman, Romania
which may have been part of the Ukraine in the mid-1800's. Therefore, where
or how can I narrow their place of origin, i.e. Fastov, Poltava,
"Charczike", Roman, and can the family names of Carlstein, Aronowitz and
Zolotnitsky be traced to any of those communities? One other item of known
information, Miriam Aronowitz, born in 1836, was the daughter of Rabbi Chaim
Toby Aronowitz who died in 1891 and is buried in the Ukraine. Any help or
suggestions for my continuing search would be appreciated.
Warren Epstein, Atlanta, Georgia, USA


My new family tree webpage #general

Elaine Bush <erbush@...>
 

Hello everyone,

I'd like to invite you all to visit my new family tree
webpage. You will be able to see some info, but not
all. If you are interested in seeing more, please
email me for the password.

http://elainebush.tribalpages.com

Elaine Bush
Pleasant Hill CA
REST, BLUSHINSKI, BUSH, SHANIN, FRUMHOFF, DAVIS


FW: #ukraine

Warren Epstein <eppygt@...>
 

I am searching for any information and source for vital records regarding
the following family members who came >from the Ukraine prior to their
immigration to the USA. My great-grandfather was Alter Nathan Carlstein,
born 15 June 1858, who immigrated to the USA in 1886. Perhaps his surname in
the Ukraine was spelled Karelstein and his Hebrew name was Nahum ben Tzion.
His parents were Isaac Meyer Carlstein and Miriam Aronowitz Carlstein. His
wife was Baschewe "Bessia" Zolotnitsky, born in 1859, and they married in
1875. Per Alter Nathan Carlstein's death certificate, he was born in Fastov,
Ukraine. Their daughter, Rosa Carlstein ( my grandmother ) who was born 20
December 1878 and her brother, Martin, immigrated to the USA in 1894
arriving at Philadelphia, PA. Per the ship's manifest, she arrived from
Poltava, Ukraine, either the town or the Oblast. To make their place of
origin in the Ukraine more confusing, some family members referred to their
place of origin as being "Charczike" ( spelled phonetically ) which I have
been unable to relate to any existing town in the Ukraine. Other family
members believed that the family may have originated >from Roman, Romania
which may have been part of the Ukraine in the mid-1800's. Therefore, where
or how can I narrow their place of origin, i.e. Fastov, Poltava,
"Charczike", Roman, and can the family names of Carlstein, Aronowitz and
Zolotnitsky be traced to any of those communities? One other item of known
information, Miriam Aronowitz, born in 1836, was the daughter of Rabbi Chaim
Toby Aronowitz who died in 1891 and is buried in the Ukraine. Any help or
suggestions for my continuing search would be appreciated.
Warren Epstein, Atlanta, Georgia, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen My new family tree webpage #general

Elaine Bush <erbush@...>
 

Hello everyone,

I'd like to invite you all to visit my new family tree
webpage. You will be able to see some info, but not
all. If you are interested in seeing more, please
email me for the password.

http://elainebush.tribalpages.com

Elaine Bush
Pleasant Hill CA
REST, BLUSHINSKI, BUSH, SHANIN, FRUMHOFF, DAVIS


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Tuchin/Torchin #ukraine

David R. Brill
 

Limited records exist for Tuchin. The Rovno Regional State Archives holds
copies of the revision lists (Fond 27, Opis 3) for the 7th through 10th
revisions (1815 - 1857) and this is the best overall resource for that
period. There are miscellaneous records in the State Archive of Zhitomir
Oblast (Fond 118) but it is hit or miss. Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any
existing B/M/D records, which leaves a big gap in useful records >from the
1860's up to WWI.

Make sure it is really Tuchin (Polish spelling Tuczyn) you want, as there is
a separate town called Torchin in the former Volin Gub., about 50-60 miles W
of Tuchin.

David R. Brill
Cherry Hill, NJ USA
brilldr@...
Researching: ZEITCHIK, LIKHTER in Tuchin

----- Original Message -----
Does anyone know of a source for vital records for
Tuchin?


LESEM, Hannibal, MO/Quincy, IL/Kansas City #general

Linda Lee Holmes <lindalee@...>
 

I am hoping to make contact with anyone who researching or has
researched the LESEM family who were located in Hannibal, MO in the
late 1860s to early 1870s and then migrated in two directions to Quincy, IL,
and Kansas City, MO. My ggg grandmother Lena LESEM ORNSTEIN and her
sister Mary LESEM WASSERMAN were part of this family, but I have been
unable to determine the relationship and who their parents or other
siblings might be.


Re: Tuchin/Torchin #ukraine

David R. Brill
 

Limited records exist for Tuchin. The Rovno Regional State Archives holds
copies of the revision lists (Fond 27, Opis 3) for the 7th through 10th
revisions (1815 - 1857) and this is the best overall resource for that
period. There are miscellaneous records in the State Archive of Zhitomir
Oblast (Fond 118) but it is hit or miss. Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any
existing B/M/D records, which leaves a big gap in useful records >from the
1860's up to WWI.

Make sure it is really Tuchin (Polish spelling Tuczyn) you want, as there is
a separate town called Torchin in the former Volin Gub., about 50-60 miles W
of Tuchin.

David R. Brill
Cherry Hill, NJ USA
brilldr@...
Researching: ZEITCHIK, LIKHTER in Tuchin

----- Original Message -----
Does anyone know of a source for vital records for
Tuchin?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen LESEM, Hannibal, MO/Quincy, IL/Kansas City #general

Linda Lee Holmes <lindalee@...>
 

I am hoping to make contact with anyone who researching or has
researched the LESEM family who were located in Hannibal, MO in the
late 1860s to early 1870s and then migrated in two directions to Quincy, IL,
and Kansas City, MO. My ggg grandmother Lena LESEM ORNSTEIN and her
sister Mary LESEM WASSERMAN were part of this family, but I have been
unable to determine the relationship and who their parents or other
siblings might be.