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The cost of systematic screening for obituaries in "Die Neue Freie Presse" #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I have made a very approximate cost estimate for this project as follows: Die
Neue Freie Presse was founded in 1864 and ceased publication in 1938 - ie 74
years. That makes a total of about 4,000 weeks. Assuming it takes one hour to
screen a week and record the data [and that is a very optimistic estimate] - we
now require about 4,000 hours to scan all the editions. The minimum wage in the
UK, for an unskilled labourer is currently 5.35 GBP/hour - ie the most basic
cost for this work would be 21,000 GBP. We have to add transport and overheads
for at least a year and then the costs of the digitisation and indexing. As we
would be using a skilled person, the cost will probably double to 40,000 GBP,
ie 80,000 dollars. As I have never been to the Osterreichische
Nationalbibliothek in Vienna to screen newspapers, this estimate is tentative.
I have no idea how many obituaries we would find in total, but the cost per
obituary will inevitably be very high.

In the meantime, I have written to ANNO* as follows: "Have you any plans to
digitise *Die Neue Freie Presse* in the near future? I am also interested in
Pressburg newspapers. What hope is there in this area?"

As soon as I receive a reply, I will let you know.

As for selecting obituaries for Zentralfriedhof Tor 1 and Tor IV only, I should
add that many Jewish burials took place in Doblingerfriedhof and in the 1900s
in the Feuerhalle, Simmering [crematorium]. Before Wahringerfriedhof closed in
about 1878, we must not forget this cemetery, which overlapped the early years
of Die Neue Freie Presse. And there are other cemeteries too, inc.
Baden-bei-Wien, Klosterneuburg, Floridsdorf etc. In addition, completely to
ignore converted Jews, will inevitably result in genealogical gaps.
That is why I said we could never use someone with no experience, who is on a
basic wage!

I noted the comment of Ann Jensen that she does not understand German;
fortunately there are only a few words which appear on these Partezettel
constantly - they are mainly associated with family relationships. All our
Austria-Czech members, would have no trouble at all after an hour or so of
practice. We definitely do not need to translate them individually. That would
make costs soar even higher.

Celia Male [U.K.]

*ANNO: http://anno.onb.ac.at/


More on Vienna obituaries #austria-czech

Henry Wellisch <henry.kelwel@...>
 

I received a couple of messages where it was suggested that it would
be good idea to establish a database. I think that this would be
quite impracticable, since it would involve very high costs. Just the
two most important Viennese papers were published between the 1860s
and the Anschluss, and during this period there would probably have
appeared thousands of Christian and Jewish obituaries. I think even a
specialist would not be able to separate one >from the other, unless
there is a clear indication, such as the cemetery. I did check some of
the Austrian papers and not all Christian obituaries have a cross.
Regarding "Jewish" names, what about WEISS, SCHWARTZ, SCHUSTER,
SCHNEIDER etc.?
I would however suggest that the management of this group contact the
Austrian genealogical society and find out what exactly they have, and
whether it would be possible to get copies of obituaries >from their
collection on an individual basis and what the cost would be.
I also understand that one our most active participants has tried to
find out if the Austrian National Library intends to place additional
papers on their website.
Henry Wellisch
Toronto


Bremen Passenger Lists - a possible source for Kindertransport research #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Jacob Rosen, a genner who does not belong to our SIG, has asked me to post this
message which hopefully might help you if you are researching Kindertransport

The Israeli website www.myheritage.com has added more databases including the
Bremen Passenger lists which is very helpful for those who are tracing the
KINDER. Jacob found his KOENIGSBUCH relatives on the 13 June 1939 list:

http://www.myheritage.com/FP/Company/myheritage-research.php?restore=category=4

One can register free of charge and enjoy limitless opportunities.

I found the correct *route* via Advanced Search - 6. Sources - select Bremen
Passenger Lists 1920-1939. Under 5. Classification - I chose immigration.

I had trouble downloading a component required for better viewing and my
computer froze. And as yet, I have not found anyone. I do hope some of you will
have better luck.

Celia Male [U.K.]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech The cost of systematic screening for obituaries in "Die Neue Freie Presse" #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I have made a very approximate cost estimate for this project as follows: Die
Neue Freie Presse was founded in 1864 and ceased publication in 1938 - ie 74
years. That makes a total of about 4,000 weeks. Assuming it takes one hour to
screen a week and record the data [and that is a very optimistic estimate] - we
now require about 4,000 hours to scan all the editions. The minimum wage in the
UK, for an unskilled labourer is currently 5.35 GBP/hour - ie the most basic
cost for this work would be 21,000 GBP. We have to add transport and overheads
for at least a year and then the costs of the digitisation and indexing. As we
would be using a skilled person, the cost will probably double to 40,000 GBP,
ie 80,000 dollars. As I have never been to the Osterreichische
Nationalbibliothek in Vienna to screen newspapers, this estimate is tentative.
I have no idea how many obituaries we would find in total, but the cost per
obituary will inevitably be very high.

In the meantime, I have written to ANNO* as follows: "Have you any plans to
digitise *Die Neue Freie Presse* in the near future? I am also interested in
Pressburg newspapers. What hope is there in this area?"

As soon as I receive a reply, I will let you know.

As for selecting obituaries for Zentralfriedhof Tor 1 and Tor IV only, I should
add that many Jewish burials took place in Doblingerfriedhof and in the 1900s
in the Feuerhalle, Simmering [crematorium]. Before Wahringerfriedhof closed in
about 1878, we must not forget this cemetery, which overlapped the early years
of Die Neue Freie Presse. And there are other cemeteries too, inc.
Baden-bei-Wien, Klosterneuburg, Floridsdorf etc. In addition, completely to
ignore converted Jews, will inevitably result in genealogical gaps.
That is why I said we could never use someone with no experience, who is on a
basic wage!

I noted the comment of Ann Jensen that she does not understand German;
fortunately there are only a few words which appear on these Partezettel
constantly - they are mainly associated with family relationships. All our
Austria-Czech members, would have no trouble at all after an hour or so of
practice. We definitely do not need to translate them individually. That would
make costs soar even higher.

Celia Male [U.K.]

*ANNO: http://anno.onb.ac.at/


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech More on Vienna obituaries #austria-czech

Henry Wellisch <henry.kelwel@...>
 

I received a couple of messages where it was suggested that it would
be good idea to establish a database. I think that this would be
quite impracticable, since it would involve very high costs. Just the
two most important Viennese papers were published between the 1860s
and the Anschluss, and during this period there would probably have
appeared thousands of Christian and Jewish obituaries. I think even a
specialist would not be able to separate one >from the other, unless
there is a clear indication, such as the cemetery. I did check some of
the Austrian papers and not all Christian obituaries have a cross.
Regarding "Jewish" names, what about WEISS, SCHWARTZ, SCHUSTER,
SCHNEIDER etc.?
I would however suggest that the management of this group contact the
Austrian genealogical society and find out what exactly they have, and
whether it would be possible to get copies of obituaries >from their
collection on an individual basis and what the cost would be.
I also understand that one our most active participants has tried to
find out if the Austrian National Library intends to place additional
papers on their website.
Henry Wellisch
Toronto


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Bremen Passenger Lists - a possible source for Kindertransport research #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Jacob Rosen, a genner who does not belong to our SIG, has asked me to post this
message which hopefully might help you if you are researching Kindertransport

The Israeli website www.myheritage.com has added more databases including the
Bremen Passenger lists which is very helpful for those who are tracing the
KINDER. Jacob found his KOENIGSBUCH relatives on the 13 June 1939 list:

http://www.myheritage.com/FP/Company/myheritage-research.php?restore=category=4

One can register free of charge and enjoy limitless opportunities.

I found the correct *route* via Advanced Search - 6. Sources - select Bremen
Passenger Lists 1920-1939. Under 5. Classification - I chose immigration.

I had trouble downloading a component required for better viewing and my
computer froze. And as yet, I have not found anyone. I do hope some of you will
have better luck.

Celia Male [U.K.]


LIEBOVITCH #hungary

jcl me <jamgai@...>
 

Greetings;

My great, grandmother was named Zali LIEBOVITCH. I've checked all through t=
he 1828 Hungarian Census and although I've found multiple LIEBOVITCH famili=
es, I've yet to see the first name "Zali".

Can anyone help by suggesting what another name may have been of someone wh=
o'd be referred to as "Zali"?

Thank you, in advance, for any help

Jeffrey Leeds
sherman oaks,CA
USA


Hungary SIG #Hungary LIEBOVITCH #hungary

jcl me <jamgai@...>
 

Greetings;

My great, grandmother was named Zali LIEBOVITCH. I've checked all through t=
he 1828 Hungarian Census and although I've found multiple LIEBOVITCH famili=
es, I've yet to see the first name "Zali".

Can anyone help by suggesting what another name may have been of someone wh=
o'd be referred to as "Zali"?

Thank you, in advance, for any help

Jeffrey Leeds
sherman oaks,CA
USA


Hebrew Translator Needed #galicia

Alan Weiser <alanboy@...>
 

There are 17 pages in Hebrew in the Kolomyia (1972) Yizkor book
on schools in Kolomyia I need translated. If you can help please
contact me for details.

Alan Weiser
alanboy@starpower.net
Silver Spring, MD


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Hebrew Translator Needed #galicia

Alan Weiser <alanboy@...>
 

There are 17 pages in Hebrew in the Kolomyia (1972) Yizkor book
on schools in Kolomyia I need translated. If you can help please
contact me for details.

Alan Weiser
alanboy@starpower.net
Silver Spring, MD


Next Basic JewishGen Genealogy Course to begin Jan 1 #general

phylliskramer1 <phylliskramer1@...>
 

Yes indeed, we'll have another one in July, but for now, please accept this
correction of the start date...

Welcome again, to JewishGen. If you are a newcomer to Jewish Gen-ealogy, may we
suggest that you enroll in our online “Basic Genealogy” course. The course consists
of 8 lessons, provided online twice weekly. Topics include genealogy formats,
trees, organizing and tracking information, interviewing, Jewish naming
conventions, U.S. vital records, U.S. Census, Ellis Island passenger manifests, and
the JewishGen website and databases. The course includes computer hints and tips on
how to best use your computer and browse the Internet. All classes offer
individualized help through an online Forum where you can post your family
information and photographs and get suggestions and answers to your questions.

The Basic Genealogy course will be offered quarterly. The tuition for “Basic
Genealogy” is $50, however, if you qualify for JewishGen’s Value Added Services by
virtue of a $100 annual donation, you are welcome to enroll at no additional charge
(to do so, do not enroll, but instead, send a note with your JewishGen ID to
jewishgen-education@lyris.jewishgen.org and you’ll receive instructions for the
waiver).

To enroll and pay online, go to http://www.jewishgen.org/education and select the
Basic Jewish Genealogy Course (registration is limited to 60 students and will
close when the class is filled). Read the details of the course, background of the
instructor and the requirements, then enroll by clicking on the “enroll link”. You
will be able to pay for the course online by credit card at our secure server or by
check drawn on a U.S. Bank

Hope you can join us!

--
Phyllis
phylliskramer1@att.net
VP, Education, JewishGen, Inc.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Next Basic JewishGen Genealogy Course to begin Jan 1 #general

phylliskramer1 <phylliskramer1@...>
 

Yes indeed, we'll have another one in July, but for now, please accept this
correction of the start date...

Welcome again, to JewishGen. If you are a newcomer to Jewish Gen-ealogy, may we
suggest that you enroll in our online “Basic Genealogy” course. The course consists
of 8 lessons, provided online twice weekly. Topics include genealogy formats,
trees, organizing and tracking information, interviewing, Jewish naming
conventions, U.S. vital records, U.S. Census, Ellis Island passenger manifests, and
the JewishGen website and databases. The course includes computer hints and tips on
how to best use your computer and browse the Internet. All classes offer
individualized help through an online Forum where you can post your family
information and photographs and get suggestions and answers to your questions.

The Basic Genealogy course will be offered quarterly. The tuition for “Basic
Genealogy” is $50, however, if you qualify for JewishGen’s Value Added Services by
virtue of a $100 annual donation, you are welcome to enroll at no additional charge
(to do so, do not enroll, but instead, send a note with your JewishGen ID to
jewishgen-education@lyris.jewishgen.org and you’ll receive instructions for the
waiver).

To enroll and pay online, go to http://www.jewishgen.org/education and select the
Basic Jewish Genealogy Course (registration is limited to 60 students and will
close when the class is filled). Read the details of the course, background of the
instructor and the requirements, then enroll by clicking on the “enroll link”. You
will be able to pay for the course online by credit card at our secure server or by
check drawn on a U.S. Bank

Hope you can join us!

--
Phyllis
phylliskramer1@att.net
VP, Education, JewishGen, Inc.


Completeness of Galician Family Data in JRI - only some siblings? #galicia

Matthew Merrill <mattdmerrill@...>
 

Hello folks,

I have just discovered Jewishgen, Gesher Galicia etc. and am having
an amazing time. I have had limited success searching JRI and was
wondering if my experience was common. I was not able to find my
great grandfather's birth record (Hersch RATZ b. 1890 Nizankowice)
or that of his brothers (Moshe b. ? and David b. 1908); however I
did find his two previously unknown siblings (Wolf b. 1892 and Malka
b. 1894) that died very young. Is this lack of completeness normal?

I have sent a similar message to the JRI list serve, but I wanted a
Galician specific view.

Thanks,

I have enjoyed reading past posts and look forward to contributing
more in the future.

Matthew Merrill
Arlington VA USA

Searching...
In Przemysl: RATZ, TRATTNER, BERMAN
In Nizankowice/Nizhankovichi: RATZ, TRATTNER
In Radymno: EHRENBOM, BERMAN
In Rybotycze: BERMAN


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Completeness of Galician Family Data in JRI - only some siblings? #galicia

Matthew Merrill <mattdmerrill@...>
 

Hello folks,

I have just discovered Jewishgen, Gesher Galicia etc. and am having
an amazing time. I have had limited success searching JRI and was
wondering if my experience was common. I was not able to find my
great grandfather's birth record (Hersch RATZ b. 1890 Nizankowice)
or that of his brothers (Moshe b. ? and David b. 1908); however I
did find his two previously unknown siblings (Wolf b. 1892 and Malka
b. 1894) that died very young. Is this lack of completeness normal?

I have sent a similar message to the JRI list serve, but I wanted a
Galician specific view.

Thanks,

I have enjoyed reading past posts and look forward to contributing
more in the future.

Matthew Merrill
Arlington VA USA

Searching...
In Przemysl: RATZ, TRATTNER, BERMAN
In Nizankowice/Nizhankovichi: RATZ, TRATTNER
In Radymno: EHRENBOM, BERMAN
In Rybotycze: BERMAN


Polangen Revision Lists #latvia

Joyaa Antares
 

Dear LatSiggians,

Can anyone tell me whether they are aware of a Revision List or census or
indeed any kind of List surviving for Polangen (which might at that time
have been part of the Grobin district (I'm not sure)) for the year 1834.
Or indeed prior to this date?

(I am also posting this to the Courland and Litvak SIGs).

Thank you

Joyaa Antares
Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia
____________________________
Researching ZAUSMER, ZOUSMER, CHAUSMER, CHOUSMER, TSOUZMER etc etc, MARCUS,
DAVIDOFF in Polangen, Kretinga, Riga, Memel, and there>from to ....
And KEMPNER in Lodz and Warszawa, and there>from to ....


Latvia SIG #Latvia Polangen Revision Lists #latvia

Joyaa Antares
 

Dear LatSiggians,

Can anyone tell me whether they are aware of a Revision List or census or
indeed any kind of List surviving for Polangen (which might at that time
have been part of the Grobin district (I'm not sure)) for the year 1834.
Or indeed prior to this date?

(I am also posting this to the Courland and Litvak SIGs).

Thank you

Joyaa Antares
Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia
____________________________
Researching ZAUSMER, ZOUSMER, CHAUSMER, CHOUSMER, TSOUZMER etc etc, MARCUS,
DAVIDOFF in Polangen, Kretinga, Riga, Memel, and there>from to ....
And KEMPNER in Lodz and Warszawa, and there>from to ....


Polangen Revision Lists #courland #latvia

Joyaa Antares
 

Dear CourSiggians,

Can anyone tell me whether they are aware of a Revision List or census or
indeed any kind of List surviving for Polangen (which might at that time
have been part of the Grobin district (I'm not sure)) for the year 1834. Or
indeed prior to this date?

(I am also posting this to the Latvian & Litviak SIGs).

Thank you

Joyaa Antares
Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia
____________________________
Researching ZAUSMER, ZOUSMER, CHAUSMER, CHOUSMER, TSOUZMER etc etc, MARCUS,
DAVIDOFF in Polangen, Kretinga, Riga, Memel, and there>from to ....
And KEMPNER in Lodz and Warszawa, and there>from to ....


Courland SIG #Courland #Latvia Polangen Revision Lists #courland #latvia

Joyaa Antares
 

Dear CourSiggians,

Can anyone tell me whether they are aware of a Revision List or census or
indeed any kind of List surviving for Polangen (which might at that time
have been part of the Grobin district (I'm not sure)) for the year 1834. Or
indeed prior to this date?

(I am also posting this to the Latvian & Litviak SIGs).

Thank you

Joyaa Antares
Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia
____________________________
Researching ZAUSMER, ZOUSMER, CHAUSMER, CHOUSMER, TSOUZMER etc etc, MARCUS,
DAVIDOFF in Polangen, Kretinga, Riga, Memel, and there>from to ....
And KEMPNER in Lodz and Warszawa, and there>from to ....


Kindertransport-Bremen Passenger Lists 1920-1939 #germany

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Genners and Siggers,
The Israeli website www.myheritage.com has added
more databases including the Bremen Passenger lists
which is very helpful for those who are tracing the
Kinder.I found there my KOENIGSBUCH relatives on the
13 June 1939 list.

http://www.myheritage.com/FP/Company/myheritage-research.php?restore=category=4

you may register free of charge and enjoy limitless opporunities.

Jacob Rosen Amman,Jordan <abuwasta@yahoo.com>


German SIG #Germany Kindertransport-Bremen Passenger Lists 1920-1939 #germany

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Genners and Siggers,
The Israeli website www.myheritage.com has added
more databases including the Bremen Passenger lists
which is very helpful for those who are tracing the
Kinder.I found there my KOENIGSBUCH relatives on the
13 June 1939 list.

http://www.myheritage.com/FP/Company/myheritage-research.php?restore=category=4

you may register free of charge and enjoy limitless opporunities.

Jacob Rosen Amman,Jordan <abuwasta@yahoo.com>