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Re: SILVERSTEIN in London in 1923 #unitedkingdom

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Thomas Hauck >from France asks: I am looking for information regarding my great
grandparents, Jacob and Rose SILVERSTEIN (her maiden name was Gilbert). Their
daughter, my grandmother (Muriel SILVERSTEIN) was born in London in 1923. Their
occupations were tailor (Jacob) and worker. I know nothing else about them and
I hope that you can help me in my search.

The problem here is that SILVERSTEIN is a common Jewish family name and GILBERT
is a common non-Jewish family name, so it is very hard to pin these families
down in the last census we have, namely 1901. It is also possible that Jacob
SILVERSTEIN and Rose GILBERT arrived after 1901, so we would never find them.
Jacob and Rose's ages are also missing - this would provide more clues.

With the barest of data, here is my guess - but it is a stab in the dark:
Jacob could be the son of Woolf [35] and Fanny [28] SILVERSTEIN of Mile End -
Woolf was a tailor >from Poland. The eldest daughter Annie was born in Poland in
1890. The other children were all born in London: Solomon 9 months; David 2;
Esther 3; Jacob 6; Isaac 7; Rebecca 8.

There are three other Jacob SILVERSTEIN already in London at that time - born
1867, 77 and 86 - all unmarried.

As for GILBERT - this would be a good match - Simmon and Annie GILBERT 31 >from
Russia; Simmon is a tailor living in Kensington with a large family all born in
London: Rachael 1; Davis 3; Sarah 5; Rebecca 7; Jessie 9

Rebecca or Rachael could be Rose GILBERT.

I have arranged an ideal cyber marriage - but is it the right one?
I have found Muriel born April-June quarter 1923, Whitechapel, but have yet to
find the marriage of her parents so the above cyber-match is, I fear, a
marriage made in cyber-space, until we receive more clues!

Celia Male [U.K.]


Chaim freedman
 

Further to comments on the Sieff/Ziv family, Lord Sieff was descended >from
Rabbi Yissakhar Ber Klatzki (c1721 - 1807) brother of the Vilna Gaon.


Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@zahav.net.il
http://au.geocities DOT com/chaimjan2003/Chaim_Freedman.html
Blog: http://chfreedman.blogspot.com/


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom re: SILVERSTEIN in London in 1923 #unitedkingdom

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Thomas Hauck >from France asks: I am looking for information regarding my great
grandparents, Jacob and Rose SILVERSTEIN (her maiden name was Gilbert). Their
daughter, my grandmother (Muriel SILVERSTEIN) was born in London in 1923. Their
occupations were tailor (Jacob) and worker. I know nothing else about them and
I hope that you can help me in my search.

The problem here is that SILVERSTEIN is a common Jewish family name and GILBERT
is a common non-Jewish family name, so it is very hard to pin these families
down in the last census we have, namely 1901. It is also possible that Jacob
SILVERSTEIN and Rose GILBERT arrived after 1901, so we would never find them.
Jacob and Rose's ages are also missing - this would provide more clues.

With the barest of data, here is my guess - but it is a stab in the dark:
Jacob could be the son of Woolf [35] and Fanny [28] SILVERSTEIN of Mile End -
Woolf was a tailor >from Poland. The eldest daughter Annie was born in Poland in
1890. The other children were all born in London: Solomon 9 months; David 2;
Esther 3; Jacob 6; Isaac 7; Rebecca 8.

There are three other Jacob SILVERSTEIN already in London at that time - born
1867, 77 and 86 - all unmarried.

As for GILBERT - this would be a good match - Simmon and Annie GILBERT 31 >from
Russia; Simmon is a tailor living in Kensington with a large family all born in
London: Rachael 1; Davis 3; Sarah 5; Rebecca 7; Jessie 9

Rebecca or Rachael could be Rose GILBERT.

I have arranged an ideal cyber marriage - but is it the right one?
I have found Muriel born April-June quarter 1923, Whitechapel, but have yet to
find the marriage of her parents so the above cyber-match is, I fear, a
marriage made in cyber-space, until we receive more clues!

Celia Male [U.K.]


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Sieff #unitedkingdom

Chaim freedman
 

Further to comments on the Sieff/Ziv family, Lord Sieff was descended >from
Rabbi Yissakhar Ber Klatzki (c1721 - 1807) brother of the Vilna Gaon.


Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@zahav.net.il
http://au.geocities DOT com/chaimjan2003/Chaim_Freedman.html
Blog: http://chfreedman.blogspot.com/


The Name Dora #general

Richard Gilbert
 

Dear Genners,

In England & Wales it has long been the case that a person is know by their name of
reputation. Since there was no requirement to prove who you were, you were simply
known by the name you had by reputation. This of course was very useful to our
immigrant ancestors. Where people just changed their first names they didn't bother
to execute Deed Polls or Change of Name Deeds.

So in my family my great grandmother Perel Vandt became Polly. My grandmother was
called Toby (Schreiber) after her first cousin Tobias Schreiber who died the year
she was born after a footballing injury. She hated the name and took the name
Betty (after Betty Boop). However, all her official documents were always in the
name Toby because she never officially changed her name. Her grandfather Igodah
Schaffler, became Julius Schaffler in the USA - it was just something people did to
fit in.

These days, because of money laundering etc, organisations and financial
institutions need to ensure that if a person says they are "John Smith" that this
is the case. Were our ancestors living today, they could not be so cavalier with
their names as they once were.

Richard Gilbert
Bushey Heath, Hertfordshire
(GILBERT, GINSBURG, CHARNAS London, Minsk, Irkutsk - Lambert (London), Lempert
(Kletzk) - Morley (London), MALINSKY (Lodz) - WAND (London), VANDT/WAND (Plock),
LUSTIG (London, Sokal, Zolkiew, Lviv), Schreiber (London)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The Name Dora #general

Richard Gilbert
 

Dear Genners,

In England & Wales it has long been the case that a person is know by their name of
reputation. Since there was no requirement to prove who you were, you were simply
known by the name you had by reputation. This of course was very useful to our
immigrant ancestors. Where people just changed their first names they didn't bother
to execute Deed Polls or Change of Name Deeds.

So in my family my great grandmother Perel Vandt became Polly. My grandmother was
called Toby (Schreiber) after her first cousin Tobias Schreiber who died the year
she was born after a footballing injury. She hated the name and took the name
Betty (after Betty Boop). However, all her official documents were always in the
name Toby because she never officially changed her name. Her grandfather Igodah
Schaffler, became Julius Schaffler in the USA - it was just something people did to
fit in.

These days, because of money laundering etc, organisations and financial
institutions need to ensure that if a person says they are "John Smith" that this
is the case. Were our ancestors living today, they could not be so cavalier with
their names as they once were.

Richard Gilbert
Bushey Heath, Hertfordshire
(GILBERT, GINSBURG, CHARNAS London, Minsk, Irkutsk - Lambert (London), Lempert
(Kletzk) - Morley (London), MALINSKY (Lodz) - WAND (London), VANDT/WAND (Plock),
LUSTIG (London, Sokal, Zolkiew, Lviv), Schreiber (London)


Re: Finding a synagogue in Bronx from 1930 #general

Joy Rich <joyrichny@...>
 

Marie, use the free website "Remembrance of Synagogues Past: The Lost Civilization
of the Jewish South Bronx" at http://www.bronxsynagogues.org .

On the home page, click "Search," which is on the left side of the page. >from the
drop-down menu under "Street" on the "Synagogue Buildings Search Form," choose
"Bronx River." Click "search." The one result of the search is "1272 Bronx River."
Click on that address. That'll show you that the name of the synagogue was
Congregation Zehuth Arabim, it was organized in 1928, it was by E. 172nd Street,
and it's now used as a business.

The various pages on the website are well worth reading. The website was created by
Dr. Seymour J. Perlin. He and his wife, Dr. Rita Perlin, gave a presentation about
the website and how he gathered the information for it at the JGS New York monthly
meeting last March. He also wrote an article for the spring 2006 issue of our
publication "Dorot."

Joy Rich
Brooklyn, NY

Mjn519@aol.com wrote:
How does one go about in finding a synagogue in Bronx during the 1930's?...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Finding a synagogue in Bronx from 1930 #general

Joy Rich <joyrichny@...>
 

Marie, use the free website "Remembrance of Synagogues Past: The Lost Civilization
of the Jewish South Bronx" at http://www.bronxsynagogues.org .

On the home page, click "Search," which is on the left side of the page. >from the
drop-down menu under "Street" on the "Synagogue Buildings Search Form," choose
"Bronx River." Click "search." The one result of the search is "1272 Bronx River."
Click on that address. That'll show you that the name of the synagogue was
Congregation Zehuth Arabim, it was organized in 1928, it was by E. 172nd Street,
and it's now used as a business.

The various pages on the website are well worth reading. The website was created by
Dr. Seymour J. Perlin. He and his wife, Dr. Rita Perlin, gave a presentation about
the website and how he gathered the information for it at the JGS New York monthly
meeting last March. He also wrote an article for the spring 2006 issue of our
publication "Dorot."

Joy Rich
Brooklyn, NY

Mjn519@aol.com wrote:
How does one go about in finding a synagogue in Bronx during the 1930's?...


re Translation of Hebrew word #general

Bea <blspabas@...>
 

many thanks to everyone who emailed me with the translation of exactly/precise!

B. Shiel blspabas@btinternet.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re Translation of Hebrew word #general

Bea <blspabas@...>
 

many thanks to everyone who emailed me with the translation of exactly/precise!

B. Shiel blspabas@btinternet.com


Max and Henriette WOLFFBERG, Stettin #general

George J. Fogelson
 

Searching for the family of Max and Henriette WOLFFBERG (geb. FREUNDLICH). They
lived in Stettin and were deported in 1940 to Glusk Ghetto where he died in 1940
and she in 1942.

George Fogelson
Redondo Beach, CA

fogelson@alum.calberkeley.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Max and Henriette WOLFFBERG, Stettin #general

George J. Fogelson
 

Searching for the family of Max and Henriette WOLFFBERG (geb. FREUNDLICH). They
lived in Stettin and were deported in 1940 to Glusk Ghetto where he died in 1940
and she in 1942.

George Fogelson
Redondo Beach, CA

fogelson@alum.calberkeley.org


Suffix "feld/feldt" on surnames #general

RBellis <bellisgenealogy@...>
 

Hello,

I was told by a fellow BELLIS/BOELLESFELDT researcher (.who was told by a cousin.)
that the suffix "feld/feldt" on a surname is an indication that that surname has
Jewish heritage; that there was a practice in Germany in the past to append this
suffix to surnames precisely to distinguish Jews >from Christians to help with tax
collection. I have no idea what timeframe this might have been but it's a point
I've never heard before but would like to get it either confirmed or refuted.

My BELLIS ancestors, who immigrated to America circa 1730/1740, came >from an area
northeast of Koblenz (Selters near Nordhofen) and before Selters the previous
generation had been living near Uckerath (east of Bonn) at least as early as 1640.
While looking up Uckerath on Mapquest a few years ago, I stumbled upon a small
dorf just outside of Uckerath named Buellesfeld and as luck would have it located a
website for the dorf. Through the webmaster, I managed to connect with a
descendant of the man, Theis BUELLESFELD, who built the first hof in Buellesfeld
sometime in the 1500's and was told that "boelles" was archaic German for
"mushroom" and of course "feldt" meant field so the surname meant "field of
mushrooms". I figured Theis either already had his surname by the time he built
his hof there or later assumed that moniker as his surname when surnames began
being utilized (i.e., Theis von boellesfeldt became Theis Boellesfeldt).

While residing in Selters, the BOELLESFELDs were apparently of the Reformed faith
as they appear in the baptismal records of the Reformed church in Nordhofen, and
they also attended church in Parish Uckerath which I am fairly certain was Reformed
or maybe Catholic circa 1640. I have simply assumed this family was pagan prior to
becoming Christian. Now with this new twist on the suffix "feld/feldt", I'm
wondering whether that's a new avenue I need to investigate.

Can anyone help me on this suffix question and whether or not it was practiced in
Germany sometime prior to 1640?

Thank you,

Rosalyn BELLIS
Alexandria VA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Suffix "feld/feldt" on surnames #general

RBellis <bellisgenealogy@...>
 

Hello,

I was told by a fellow BELLIS/BOELLESFELDT researcher (.who was told by a cousin.)
that the suffix "feld/feldt" on a surname is an indication that that surname has
Jewish heritage; that there was a practice in Germany in the past to append this
suffix to surnames precisely to distinguish Jews >from Christians to help with tax
collection. I have no idea what timeframe this might have been but it's a point
I've never heard before but would like to get it either confirmed or refuted.

My BELLIS ancestors, who immigrated to America circa 1730/1740, came >from an area
northeast of Koblenz (Selters near Nordhofen) and before Selters the previous
generation had been living near Uckerath (east of Bonn) at least as early as 1640.
While looking up Uckerath on Mapquest a few years ago, I stumbled upon a small
dorf just outside of Uckerath named Buellesfeld and as luck would have it located a
website for the dorf. Through the webmaster, I managed to connect with a
descendant of the man, Theis BUELLESFELD, who built the first hof in Buellesfeld
sometime in the 1500's and was told that "boelles" was archaic German for
"mushroom" and of course "feldt" meant field so the surname meant "field of
mushrooms". I figured Theis either already had his surname by the time he built
his hof there or later assumed that moniker as his surname when surnames began
being utilized (i.e., Theis von boellesfeldt became Theis Boellesfeldt).

While residing in Selters, the BOELLESFELDs were apparently of the Reformed faith
as they appear in the baptismal records of the Reformed church in Nordhofen, and
they also attended church in Parish Uckerath which I am fairly certain was Reformed
or maybe Catholic circa 1640. I have simply assumed this family was pagan prior to
becoming Christian. Now with this new twist on the suffix "feld/feldt", I'm
wondering whether that's a new avenue I need to investigate.

Can anyone help me on this suffix question and whether or not it was practiced in
Germany sometime prior to 1640?

Thank you,

Rosalyn BELLIS
Alexandria VA


"How to Make Shtetlinks Web Pages" class to begin in February #general

phylliskramer1 <phylliskramer1@...>
 

We are delighted to announce an on-line class in how to make Shtetlinks web
pages, taught by Mark Heckman and beginning Sunday, February 24, 2008. This
course is designed for those who have a lot of genealogical material to share
and want to put it on the JewishGen Shtetlinks web site, but don’t know how.

Course description:

Have you waited for someone to create a Shtetlinks site for your town, but no
one has? Do it yourself! In this 6 week class you will learn how to create web
pages for Shtetlinks. Creating web pages is not difficult: if you are
comfortable creating documents in a word processing program like Microsoft
Word or WordPerfect, know how to click on hyperlinks and how to "copy and
paste" text using a computer mouse, then you can create ShtetLinks web pages.
The specially reduced fee for this course is only $36.

For a full description, requirements and enrollment please go to
www.JewishGen.org/education . For questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, V.P. Education, JewishGen Inc
Mark Heckman, Instructor
Susana Leistner Bloch, ShtetLinks Coordinator


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "How to Make Shtetlinks Web Pages" class to begin in February #general

phylliskramer1 <phylliskramer1@...>
 

We are delighted to announce an on-line class in how to make Shtetlinks web
pages, taught by Mark Heckman and beginning Sunday, February 24, 2008. This
course is designed for those who have a lot of genealogical material to share
and want to put it on the JewishGen Shtetlinks web site, but don’t know how.

Course description:

Have you waited for someone to create a Shtetlinks site for your town, but no
one has? Do it yourself! In this 6 week class you will learn how to create web
pages for Shtetlinks. Creating web pages is not difficult: if you are
comfortable creating documents in a word processing program like Microsoft
Word or WordPerfect, know how to click on hyperlinks and how to "copy and
paste" text using a computer mouse, then you can create ShtetLinks web pages.
The specially reduced fee for this course is only $36.

For a full description, requirements and enrollment please go to
www.JewishGen.org/education . For questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, V.P. Education, JewishGen Inc
Mark Heckman, Instructor
Susana Leistner Bloch, ShtetLinks Coordinator


Sieff Family #unitedkingdom

Chaim freedman
 

Further to comments on the Sieff/Ziv family, Lord Sieff was descended >from
Rabbi Yissakhar Ber Klatzki (c1721 - 1807) brother of the Vilna Gaon.


Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@zahav.net.il
http://au.geocities DOT com/chaimjan2003/Chaim_Freedman.html
Blog: http://chfreedman.blogspot.com/


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Sieff Family #unitedkingdom

Chaim freedman
 

Further to comments on the Sieff/Ziv family, Lord Sieff was descended >from
Rabbi Yissakhar Ber Klatzki (c1721 - 1807) brother of the Vilna Gaon.


Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@zahav.net.il
http://au.geocities DOT com/chaimjan2003/Chaim_Freedman.html
Blog: http://chfreedman.blogspot.com/


Novyye Veledniki, Ukraine and WILEDNIK family #ukraine

Shelly Crane
 

Hello,

As previously posted, yesterday I discovered the maiden name of my GG GM
Bessie KWAIT nee WILEDNIK, born 1850 and died 1926 in Johnstown, Pennsylvania.
She was born in Samgarodok and lived in Pliskov Ukraine, before immigrating
to the United States. Some of her family lived in Berdychiv, but they
probably originally came >from Novyye Veledniki. (Veledniki, Wieledniki,
Weledniki), Ukraine.
Coordinates: 51/19 28/28 and is 108 miles NW of Kyyiv.

Other surnames that are part of this tree that I've found so far include:
COUNTER, FINKELSTEIN, GOLDSTEIN, KANTOR, STERNNELD and ZALEDSKY. They
settled in New York, Johstown, Pennsylvania, Dayton Ohio, Chicago, Illinois
and Baltimore, Maryland

Additionally, I am interested in learning more about the following two
people:
Aaron GOLDSTEIN >from Chicago, Illinois. He was the brother-in-law of Leiser
and Mendel WILEDNIK;

Henry GOLDSTEIN, was a witness on Joseph WILEDNIK's naturalization document
and they lived at the same address on Monroe Street in Brooklyn, NY as of
1904.

If you are researching these surnames and/or the town of Novyye Veledniki,
please email me privately

Thank you!
Shelly Levin
USA
crzprncess@aol.com


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Novyye Veledniki, Ukraine and WILEDNIK family #ukraine

Shelly Crane
 

Hello,

As previously posted, yesterday I discovered the maiden name of my GG GM
Bessie KWAIT nee WILEDNIK, born 1850 and died 1926 in Johnstown, Pennsylvania.
She was born in Samgarodok and lived in Pliskov Ukraine, before immigrating
to the United States. Some of her family lived in Berdychiv, but they
probably originally came >from Novyye Veledniki. (Veledniki, Wieledniki,
Weledniki), Ukraine.
Coordinates: 51/19 28/28 and is 108 miles NW of Kyyiv.

Other surnames that are part of this tree that I've found so far include:
COUNTER, FINKELSTEIN, GOLDSTEIN, KANTOR, STERNNELD and ZALEDSKY. They
settled in New York, Johstown, Pennsylvania, Dayton Ohio, Chicago, Illinois
and Baltimore, Maryland

Additionally, I am interested in learning more about the following two
people:
Aaron GOLDSTEIN >from Chicago, Illinois. He was the brother-in-law of Leiser
and Mendel WILEDNIK;

Henry GOLDSTEIN, was a witness on Joseph WILEDNIK's naturalization document
and they lived at the same address on Monroe Street in Brooklyn, NY as of
1904.

If you are researching these surnames and/or the town of Novyye Veledniki,
please email me privately

Thank you!
Shelly Levin
USA
crzprncess@aol.com