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Re: Two immigrants, same name: one real, one fake #general

Susan&David
 

If you look up two immigrants on Ancestry.com. (One is indexed as Elie
LITKOWECKY, 1906, the other as Elie SITKOWETZKY) you will see one
recorded in the Rosenbaum Bank and the other in the Blitztein Bank.
These two Philadelphia banks served as places where steamship tickets
could be purchased in the US for the use of immigrants.
See: the Pennsylvania section under Jewishgen>Databases>United States

I believe that the sponsor, Dr, Fischer, bought the 1906 ticket for the
real Elie who, for some reason, was unable to travel at that time. Since
he was married when he arrived 1907, it may have been that he needed an
additional ticket for his wife. The ticket, under his name, would have
been available for someone else to use.

Dr. Fischer then used the other immigrant bank in 1907 to finance the
real Elie and his wife.

David Rosen
Boston, MA

On 7/10/2016 11:19 PM, Adam Goodheart adamgoodh@gmail.com wrote:
Can anyone clarify the circumstances that might cause an immigrant to
travel fraudulently using someone else's name and identity?
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Two immigrants, same name: one real, one fake #general

Susan&David
 

If you look up two immigrants on Ancestry.com. (One is indexed as Elie
LITKOWECKY, 1906, the other as Elie SITKOWETZKY) you will see one
recorded in the Rosenbaum Bank and the other in the Blitztein Bank.
These two Philadelphia banks served as places where steamship tickets
could be purchased in the US for the use of immigrants.
See: the Pennsylvania section under Jewishgen>Databases>United States

I believe that the sponsor, Dr, Fischer, bought the 1906 ticket for the
real Elie who, for some reason, was unable to travel at that time. Since
he was married when he arrived 1907, it may have been that he needed an
additional ticket for his wife. The ticket, under his name, would have
been available for someone else to use.

Dr. Fischer then used the other immigrant bank in 1907 to finance the
real Elie and his wife.

David Rosen
Boston, MA

On 7/10/2016 11:19 PM, Adam Goodheart adamgoodh@gmail.com wrote:
Can anyone clarify the circumstances that might cause an immigrant to
travel fraudulently using someone else's name and identity?
Search baby from Miskolcz killed in 1944 #general

דוד נ.א.
 

Hello
I'm looking for the name of the baby, who lived in the town Miskolcz, and
killed about age 2 in 1944.

Is it practical?

Is there a way to get birth records dating back to 1942? There were those
records? They survived? They are protected by privacy?
Is there could be other records (census registration Holocaust victims) of
these years - include babies?

Of course I know her parents' names and other details about the family. I
just do not know her name - I know it was there and was killed.

It has a chance?

Many thanks in advance
David Nesher
Israel
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Search baby from Miskolcz killed in 1944 #general

דוד נ.א.
 

Hello
I'm looking for the name of the baby, who lived in the town Miskolcz, and
killed about age 2 in 1944.

Is it practical?

Is there a way to get birth records dating back to 1942? There were those
records? They survived? They are protected by privacy?
Is there could be other records (census registration Holocaust victims) of
these years - include babies?

Of course I know her parents' names and other details about the family. I
just do not know her name - I know it was there and was killed.

It has a chance?

Many thanks in advance
David Nesher
Israel
Still time to register for the IAJGS conference Aug 7-12 #germany

Janette Silverman <cochairs@...>
 

The annual IAJGS conference has become more of than just your run of the
mill conference. There are no longer merely lectures and workshops.
There are:
- Up to seven concurrent lectures and workshops during each time period
- A track on "Genealogy for Jewish Educators"
- Computer Workshops
- Special Interest Group Luncheons
- Gala Banquet
- Vendor exhibits
- The play, >from Door to Door, by the Seattle Jewish Theater Company.
- Film Festival
- Pre- and post-conference cruises
- Tours during the conference

Events stretch >from 7:30am to at least 10:00pm. There is a morning
minyan (religious service) at 7:10. It is truly an international
conference because there will be attendees >from more than 20 countries.
In addition, it is becoming more common for lecturers to be >from outside
the U.S.

Finally, if you cannot attend, but wish you could, there is LIVE!! This
allows the subscriber to watch some of the best programs on his/her
computer, tablet, or smartphone. LIVE! is, as the name suggests, live
streaming, but it is also available to subscribers for 90 days after the
end of the conference, "on-demand".

If you cannot make this year's conference, plan to attend the one next
year which will be in Orlando, Florida, July 23 - 28, 2017. It can
include pre- or post-conference visits to Disneyworld, which is just a
few miles away.

The conference website is at http://www.iajgs2016.org. Registration is
being accepted on-line until July 24. After July 24, if you'd like to
attend, you can register at the door. See you in Seattle!

Conference Co-Chairs: Janette Silverman, Chuck Weinstein, Phyllis Grossman
German SIG #Germany Still time to register for the IAJGS conference Aug 7-12 #germany

Janette Silverman <cochairs@...>
 

The annual IAJGS conference has become more of than just your run of the
mill conference. There are no longer merely lectures and workshops.
There are:
- Up to seven concurrent lectures and workshops during each time period
- A track on "Genealogy for Jewish Educators"
- Computer Workshops
- Special Interest Group Luncheons
- Gala Banquet
- Vendor exhibits
- The play, >from Door to Door, by the Seattle Jewish Theater Company.
- Film Festival
- Pre- and post-conference cruises
- Tours during the conference

Events stretch >from 7:30am to at least 10:00pm. There is a morning
minyan (religious service) at 7:10. It is truly an international
conference because there will be attendees >from more than 20 countries.
In addition, it is becoming more common for lecturers to be >from outside
the U.S.

Finally, if you cannot attend, but wish you could, there is LIVE!! This
allows the subscriber to watch some of the best programs on his/her
computer, tablet, or smartphone. LIVE! is, as the name suggests, live
streaming, but it is also available to subscribers for 90 days after the
end of the conference, "on-demand".

If you cannot make this year's conference, plan to attend the one next
year which will be in Orlando, Florida, July 23 - 28, 2017. It can
include pre- or post-conference visits to Disneyworld, which is just a
few miles away.

The conference website is at http://www.iajgs2016.org. Registration is
being accepted on-line until July 24. After July 24, if you'd like to
attend, you can register at the door. See you in Seattle!

Conference Co-Chairs: Janette Silverman, Chuck Weinstein, Phyllis Grossman
INTRO - researching Zwikler Poland/Germany #germany

Anita Berk <nwsgrp@...>
 

Hello GerSig,

I just joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for 30 years,
mostly in Belarus and Lithuania. I consider myself to be an expert in general,
however a beginner in doing German Jewish Genealogy research. I live in
Colorado. My native and only language is English. I consider myself expert
in using a computer. My experience in using the Internet is extensive.
My primary research goals now are to translate the German documents I
found in the US Holocaust Museum and to learn what records may exist
in Germany.

I just located family who left Poland and went to Germany, or maybe the
records are >from German occupied Poland.

Documents will be posted on viewmate. Your help would be much appreciated.

Thank you, Anita Berk in Colorado nwsgrp@mac.com
German SIG #Germany INTRO - researching Zwikler Poland/Germany #germany

Anita Berk <nwsgrp@...>
 

Hello GerSig,

I just joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for 30 years,
mostly in Belarus and Lithuania. I consider myself to be an expert in general,
however a beginner in doing German Jewish Genealogy research. I live in
Colorado. My native and only language is English. I consider myself expert
in using a computer. My experience in using the Internet is extensive.
My primary research goals now are to translate the German documents I
found in the US Holocaust Museum and to learn what records may exist
in Germany.

I just located family who left Poland and went to Germany, or maybe the
records are >from German occupied Poland.

Documents will be posted on viewmate. Your help would be much appreciated.

Thank you, Anita Berk in Colorado nwsgrp@mac.com
Just Joined #germany

Anne Prince <laidlaw1@...>
 

Hello GerSig,
My sister in law and I have been working on our family genealogy for while
now and just completed it however I am continuing my research. Our cousin
had done the family genealogy some years ago so we were able to use her
findings. I am computer literate and able to do research but have run
0ut of places to look.

We have most relative dates but not always dates of birth going right back
to the beginning.

My primary goal now is to track down our Jewish connection which has been
difficult as I have so little information, particularly on my Grandmothers
side and the Patriarch of our family.

1: SCHUHMACHER Heinrich arrived in Cape Town South Africa in 1724 from
Bosau Holstein Germany where he changed his name to Hendrik SCHOEMAN . He
was married twice. Wife no 1: Martha OLIVIER, Wife no 2: Johanna BOTHA .


2.: SCHOEMAN Marthinus Gerhardus b 20 April 1876 d 9 August 1947. (My
direct Grandfather 6th Generation) ( I have found photos of their
gravestones on eGGSA)

3: SCHOEMAN Elizabeth Gertruida (nee VENTER) b 6 June 1884 d 8 April 1958.
(My Grandmother.) They passed away in Potchefstroom, South Africa.

I am South African born and bred now living in Perth Western Australia. My
native language is English but I speak fluent Afrikaans as well.

Kindest regards, Anne Prince, Perth, Western Australia laidlaw1@iinet.net.au
German SIG #Germany Just Joined #germany

Anne Prince <laidlaw1@...>
 

Hello GerSig,
My sister in law and I have been working on our family genealogy for while
now and just completed it however I am continuing my research. Our cousin
had done the family genealogy some years ago so we were able to use her
findings. I am computer literate and able to do research but have run
0ut of places to look.

We have most relative dates but not always dates of birth going right back
to the beginning.

My primary goal now is to track down our Jewish connection which has been
difficult as I have so little information, particularly on my Grandmothers
side and the Patriarch of our family.

1: SCHUHMACHER Heinrich arrived in Cape Town South Africa in 1724 from
Bosau Holstein Germany where he changed his name to Hendrik SCHOEMAN . He
was married twice. Wife no 1: Martha OLIVIER, Wife no 2: Johanna BOTHA .


2.: SCHOEMAN Marthinus Gerhardus b 20 April 1876 d 9 August 1947. (My
direct Grandfather 6th Generation) ( I have found photos of their
gravestones on eGGSA)

3: SCHOEMAN Elizabeth Gertruida (nee VENTER) b 6 June 1884 d 8 April 1958.
(My Grandmother.) They passed away in Potchefstroom, South Africa.

I am South African born and bred now living in Perth Western Australia. My
native language is English but I speak fluent Afrikaans as well.

Kindest regards, Anne Prince, Perth, Western Australia laidlaw1@iinet.net.au
How to find records for female relatives #ukraine

Herbert Lazerow
 

<Does anyone know if there is a way to find marriage records or birth
records that include girls and women or any other records?>
The official marriage records compiled by the court rabbis of the
Jewish communities will give the full name of the bride which will
include the name of her father, his status (usually townsperson) and
the town in which he is registered.
Birth records provide he mother's married name, including her
father's given name and patronymic. They do not show the mother's
maiden name. The same is true of death records. A woman's death record
will often include her husband's given name and patronymic.
To the extent that those records have survived, they should be in
the appropriate oblast archive. Miriam Weiner in her book Jewish Roots
in Ukraine and Moldova lists surviving Bershad marriage records for
1845 in the archive in Vinnitsa, and for 1855-58 in the archive in
Kamenets-Podolskii.
As to whether the sister might have perished in World War II,
given life expectancies then, it is unlikely that she would have lived
that long, and even less likely that her mother would have. But it is
certainly possible. Many Jews fled east in front of the Nazi armies
and survived the war in places like Tashkent.
Bert
--
Herbert Lazerow
Professor of Law, University of San Diego
5998 Alcala Park, San Diego CA 92110 U.S.A.
lazer@sandiego.edu
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Fwd: How to find records for female relatives #ukraine

Herbert Lazerow
 

<Does anyone know if there is a way to find marriage records or birth
records that include girls and women or any other records?>
The official marriage records compiled by the court rabbis of the
Jewish communities will give the full name of the bride which will
include the name of her father, his status (usually townsperson) and
the town in which he is registered.
Birth records provide he mother's married name, including her
father's given name and patronymic. They do not show the mother's
maiden name. The same is true of death records. A woman's death record
will often include her husband's given name and patronymic.
To the extent that those records have survived, they should be in
the appropriate oblast archive. Miriam Weiner in her book Jewish Roots
in Ukraine and Moldova lists surviving Bershad marriage records for
1845 in the archive in Vinnitsa, and for 1855-58 in the archive in
Kamenets-Podolskii.
As to whether the sister might have perished in World War II,
given life expectancies then, it is unlikely that she would have lived
that long, and even less likely that her mother would have. But it is
certainly possible. Many Jews fled east in front of the Nazi armies
and survived the war in places like Tashkent.
Bert
--
Herbert Lazerow
Professor of Law, University of San Diego
5998 Alcala Park, San Diego CA 92110 U.S.A.
lazer@sandiego.edu
Bershad #ukraine

Ruth <rchernia@...>
 

Lucy Hooberman wrote: "There is also a book I have found called Bershad by Nahmen Huberman
which only exists in Hebrew. I would love to see a translation of
this book or know if would contain any information about life in
Bershad."

I too would be interested in a translation of this book because my late father-in-law's family came >from there.

Ruth Chernia
Toronto, Canada
searching for
TSCHERNIA of Copenhagen, Denmark, & Genichesk, Kherson Oblast, Ukraine
SHLAMOWITZ/SZLAMOWICZ of London, England, Lodz & Jezow, Poland
SEIDLER/ZAJDLER/LANDAU of Lodz & Sulejow, Poland
ROSENFELD of Rakow, Kielce, Poland
SHKOLNIK/TICKER of Ladyzhyn & Bershad, Vinnytsia, Ukraine
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Bershad #ukraine

Ruth <rchernia@...>
 

Lucy Hooberman wrote: "There is also a book I have found called Bershad by Nahmen Huberman
which only exists in Hebrew. I would love to see a translation of
this book or know if would contain any information about life in
Bershad."

I too would be interested in a translation of this book because my late father-in-law's family came >from there.

Ruth Chernia
Toronto, Canada
searching for
TSCHERNIA of Copenhagen, Denmark, & Genichesk, Kherson Oblast, Ukraine
SHLAMOWITZ/SZLAMOWICZ of London, England, Lodz & Jezow, Poland
SEIDLER/ZAJDLER/LANDAU of Lodz & Sulejow, Poland
ROSENFELD of Rakow, Kielce, Poland
SHKOLNIK/TICKER of Ladyzhyn & Bershad, Vinnytsia, Ukraine
Still time to register for the IAJGS conference Aug 7-12 #belarus

Janette Silverman <cochairs@...>
 

The annual IAJGS conference has become more of than just your run of the
mill conference. There are no longer merely lectures and workshops.
There are:
- Up to seven concurrent lectures and workshops during each time period
- A track on "Genealogy for Jewish Educators"
- Computer Workshops
- Special Interest Group Luncheons
- Gala Banquet
- Vendor exhibits
- The play, >from Door to Door, by the Seattle Jewish Theater Company.
- Film Festival
- Pre- and post-conference cruises
- Tours during the conference

Events stretch >from 7:30am to at least 10:00pm. There is a morning
minyan (religious service) at 7:10. It is truly an international
conference because there will be attendees >from more than 20 countries.
In addition, it is becoming more common for lecturers to be >from outside
the U.S.

Finally, if you cannot attend, but wish you could, there is LIVE!! This
allows the subscriber to watch some of the best programs on his/her
computer, tablet, or smartphone. LIVE! is, as the name suggests, live
streaming, but it is also available to subscribers for 90 days after the
end of the conference, "on-demand".

If you cannot make this year's conference, plan to attend the one next
year which will be in Orlando, Florida, July 23 - 28, 2017. It can
include pre- or post-conference visits to Disneyworld, which is just a
few miles away.

The conference website is at http://www.iajgs2016.org. Registration is
being accepted on-line until July 24. After July 24, if you'd like to
attend, you can register at the door.

See you in Seattle!
Conference Co-Chairs
Janette Silverman
Chuck Weinstein
Phyllis Grossman
Belarus SIG #Belarus Still time to register for the IAJGS conference Aug 7-12 #belarus

Janette Silverman <cochairs@...>
 

The annual IAJGS conference has become more of than just your run of the
mill conference. There are no longer merely lectures and workshops.
There are:
- Up to seven concurrent lectures and workshops during each time period
- A track on "Genealogy for Jewish Educators"
- Computer Workshops
- Special Interest Group Luncheons
- Gala Banquet
- Vendor exhibits
- The play, >from Door to Door, by the Seattle Jewish Theater Company.
- Film Festival
- Pre- and post-conference cruises
- Tours during the conference

Events stretch >from 7:30am to at least 10:00pm. There is a morning
minyan (religious service) at 7:10. It is truly an international
conference because there will be attendees >from more than 20 countries.
In addition, it is becoming more common for lecturers to be >from outside
the U.S.

Finally, if you cannot attend, but wish you could, there is LIVE!! This
allows the subscriber to watch some of the best programs on his/her
computer, tablet, or smartphone. LIVE! is, as the name suggests, live
streaming, but it is also available to subscribers for 90 days after the
end of the conference, "on-demand".

If you cannot make this year's conference, plan to attend the one next
year which will be in Orlando, Florida, July 23 - 28, 2017. It can
include pre- or post-conference visits to Disneyworld, which is just a
few miles away.

The conference website is at http://www.iajgs2016.org. Registration is
being accepted on-line until July 24. After July 24, if you'd like to
attend, you can register at the door.

See you in Seattle!
Conference Co-Chairs
Janette Silverman
Chuck Weinstein
Phyllis Grossman
Re: INTRO - researching Zwikler Poland/Germany #germany

Lin <lin2@...>
 

Hi Anita,
I’m Lin >from Palm Bay, Florida. I’ve only been doing
genealogy since 2011. All of my genealogy is >from Germany. Have you
jointed Jewishgen? I assume with your experience you have. If not,
(pardon me if I’m telling you stuff you know) go to
jewishgen.org and join. Then go to research and scroll to viewmate.
Upload any of your german documents. It will ask you to describe what
you know (place, names etc. if you know them.) Then you will get a note
saying they are ready . I forget their terminology, but they are ready
for public view. then you write GerSIG and give them the URL (s) of your
documents and tell them what you know. People will them go to viewmate
and translate your documents for you. The expertise on GerSIG is unreal.
I can’t begin to tell you how much help they have been to me in
finding more about parts of my “family tree”I knew
nothing about. Also by coincidence found two cousins on GerSIG! One is a
third cousin and one is so far back we can’t figure out exactly
the relationship, but he wrote a German/Jewish surname dictionary and
lives in Germany. The third cousin has introduced me to a bunch of other
third cousins. And it turns out she and my cousin Judy know a lot of
relatives who are mine too (but closer to them) that I didn’t
know or know about.

Anyway, if I can help you in any way, please let me know.

Best wishes, Lin Herz Palm Bay, Florida lin2@cfl.rr.com
Viewmate Zwikler translation #germany

Anita Berk <nwsgrp@...>
 

I posted a letter in German for which I need a translation. It is on
ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM49242
Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.

Anita Berk, Denver, Colorado amberk@mac.com
German SIG #Germany Re: INTRO - researching Zwikler Poland/Germany #germany

Lin <lin2@...>
 

Hi Anita,
I’m Lin >from Palm Bay, Florida. I’ve only been doing
genealogy since 2011. All of my genealogy is >from Germany. Have you
jointed Jewishgen? I assume with your experience you have. If not,
(pardon me if I’m telling you stuff you know) go to
jewishgen.org and join. Then go to research and scroll to viewmate.
Upload any of your german documents. It will ask you to describe what
you know (place, names etc. if you know them.) Then you will get a note
saying they are ready . I forget their terminology, but they are ready
for public view. then you write GerSIG and give them the URL (s) of your
documents and tell them what you know. People will them go to viewmate
and translate your documents for you. The expertise on GerSIG is unreal.
I can’t begin to tell you how much help they have been to me in
finding more about parts of my “family tree”I knew
nothing about. Also by coincidence found two cousins on GerSIG! One is a
third cousin and one is so far back we can’t figure out exactly
the relationship, but he wrote a German/Jewish surname dictionary and
lives in Germany. The third cousin has introduced me to a bunch of other
third cousins. And it turns out she and my cousin Judy know a lot of
relatives who are mine too (but closer to them) that I didn’t
know or know about.

Anyway, if I can help you in any way, please let me know.

Best wishes, Lin Herz Palm Bay, Florida lin2@cfl.rr.com
German SIG #Germany Viewmate Zwikler translation #germany

Anita Berk <nwsgrp@...>
 

I posted a letter in German for which I need a translation. It is on
ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM49242
Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.

Anita Berk, Denver, Colorado amberk@mac.com
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