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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Trakai 1858 Revision List #lithuania

Howard Margol
 

For those researchers interested in Trakai records, do not expect to find
the 1858 Revision List because it does not exist and probably never did
exist. According to Tsarist law, 1858 was a period during which Jews were
not allowed to live in Trakai.

Howard Margol
homargol@...
www.pusalotas.org

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Howard is referring to the town of Trakai. Translations
of the 1858 revision list for other towns in the Trakai Uezd are available
in the All-Lithuania Database.


Trakai 1858 Revision List #lithuania

Howard Margol
 

For those researchers interested in Trakai records, do not expect to find
the 1858 Revision List because it does not exist and probably never did
exist. According to Tsarist law, 1858 was a period during which Jews were
not allowed to live in Trakai.

Howard Margol
homargol@...
www.pusalotas.org

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Howard is referring to the town of Trakai. Translations
of the 1858 revision list for other towns in the Trakai Uezd are available
in the All-Lithuania Database.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Researching the KREMENSTEIN (KREMENSZSTEJN) family #ukraine

Arnold Kremenstein <akremens@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I am (trying to) research the family of my father, JOSEPH KREMENSTEIN and
set out below all the information that I have:

Per Birth Certificate:
Born January 1898 in ALEXANDRIA (ALEKSANDRIYA), VOLHYNIA oblast.
Father, HAIM-BER GIRARIEVICH KREMENSTEIN, petty bourgeois of KORETSK
NOVOGRADVOLYNSKIJ administrative unit.
Mother, HAJA(KHAYA) ARONOVNA LIBERZON.
Circumcision by Rabbi LEIB YUKELZON (UKELSON)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gf was the manager of a sugar refinery in MIZOCH (MIZOCZ) and lived in
ROVNO(RIVNE).

Father, who was educated at the ODESSA GYMNASIUM(?), went to study and live
in FRANCE in the 1920s. He had an older sister, HELENA who was married to
JACOB GOLDBARG and they two sons, ARIK and .....?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gf had a sister ESTER KREMENSTEIN born in ALEXANDRIA who married HUDEL
BALTZAN and they lived in KISHINEV, LAPUSNA BESSARABIA, ROMANIA. They died
in the KISHINEV GHETTO. They had three children, HAYIM, HANOCH(KHANOKH),
and EMIMA(spelling?). The children emigrated to ISRAEL before the war.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
I found out, by chance, about BERTHA LEIBISHEVNA KREMENSTEIN, a professor
at the GNEISSIN Music Academy, MOSCOW. Her son PAVEL LIBERMAN told me that:
She was born in 1923, father LEIBISH SCHMUL-ITSKOVITCH(LEV ISAAKOVITCH)
KREMENSTEIN lived all his life in KIEV and was a professor of mathematics.
Her gf, ISAAK(SCHMUL-ITSEK)KREMENSTEIN was born in KREMENSTS, married
AGNESSA DAVYDOVNA SPEKTOR and they went to live in STAROKONSTANTINOV in
KHMELNITSKYJ oblast. AGNESSA was shot at BABIJ YAR, KIEV, in September 1941.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
BERTHA K cannot see any connection between the KREMENSTEINs >from ROVNO
oblast and the others.

Thank you in advance for any information, advice, suugestions, etc., etc.,

Yours sincerely

ARNOLD KREMENSTEIN
MAIDENHEAD
ENGLAND


Researching the KREMENSTEIN (KREMENSZSTEJN) family #ukraine

Arnold Kremenstein <akremens@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I am (trying to) research the family of my father, JOSEPH KREMENSTEIN and
set out below all the information that I have:

Per Birth Certificate:
Born January 1898 in ALEXANDRIA (ALEKSANDRIYA), VOLHYNIA oblast.
Father, HAIM-BER GIRARIEVICH KREMENSTEIN, petty bourgeois of KORETSK
NOVOGRADVOLYNSKIJ administrative unit.
Mother, HAJA(KHAYA) ARONOVNA LIBERZON.
Circumcision by Rabbi LEIB YUKELZON (UKELSON)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gf was the manager of a sugar refinery in MIZOCH (MIZOCZ) and lived in
ROVNO(RIVNE).

Father, who was educated at the ODESSA GYMNASIUM(?), went to study and live
in FRANCE in the 1920s. He had an older sister, HELENA who was married to
JACOB GOLDBARG and they two sons, ARIK and .....?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gf had a sister ESTER KREMENSTEIN born in ALEXANDRIA who married HUDEL
BALTZAN and they lived in KISHINEV, LAPUSNA BESSARABIA, ROMANIA. They died
in the KISHINEV GHETTO. They had three children, HAYIM, HANOCH(KHANOKH),
and EMIMA(spelling?). The children emigrated to ISRAEL before the war.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
I found out, by chance, about BERTHA LEIBISHEVNA KREMENSTEIN, a professor
at the GNEISSIN Music Academy, MOSCOW. Her son PAVEL LIBERMAN told me that:
She was born in 1923, father LEIBISH SCHMUL-ITSKOVITCH(LEV ISAAKOVITCH)
KREMENSTEIN lived all his life in KIEV and was a professor of mathematics.
Her gf, ISAAK(SCHMUL-ITSEK)KREMENSTEIN was born in KREMENSTS, married
AGNESSA DAVYDOVNA SPEKTOR and they went to live in STAROKONSTANTINOV in
KHMELNITSKYJ oblast. AGNESSA was shot at BABIJ YAR, KIEV, in September 1941.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
BERTHA K cannot see any connection between the KREMENSTEINs >from ROVNO
oblast and the others.

Thank you in advance for any information, advice, suugestions, etc., etc.,

Yours sincerely

ARNOLD KREMENSTEIN
MAIDENHEAD
ENGLAND


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Zloczow Nigun Sought #rabbinic

Nachum Tuchman
 

On 2006.07.13, Joyce Field <jfield@...> wrote:

I have been asked by Meylakh Sheykhet >from Lviv, Ukraine, to inquire
about a Nigun. This is his message to me:

The niggun sought is probably the one that the Baal Shem Tov loved,
and asked R' Yechiel Michel to sing to him on his deathbed.

I too would love to learn it. I did hear it once, and wasn't
especially moved by it, but I only heard a few seconds of the nigun.
I know that Chabadnikim sing the nigun. Perhaps Joyce can ask at the
closest Chabad house to teach it to her, or help her find a recording
of it.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel


Re: Zloczow Nigun Sought #rabbinic

Nachum Tuchman
 

On 2006.07.13, Joyce Field <jfield@...> wrote:

I have been asked by Meylakh Sheykhet >from Lviv, Ukraine, to inquire
about a Nigun. This is his message to me:

The niggun sought is probably the one that the Baal Shem Tov loved,
and asked R' Yechiel Michel to sing to him on his deathbed.

I too would love to learn it. I did hear it once, and wasn't
especially moved by it, but I only heard a few seconds of the nigun.
I know that Chabadnikim sing the nigun. Perhaps Joyce can ask at the
closest Chabad house to teach it to her, or help her find a recording
of it.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel


Re: questioning the "cohen gene" #dna

susana mead <shofar-1@...>
 

On 2006.07.14, Debbie Katz <dkbk@...> wrote:

As it happens, I have three lineages (one J1f and two J2*) with
the CMH... although only one retained a tradition of cohanim descent.
(one of the J2*s)
Shabbat shalom, Debbie,

Could you clarify for me how can one have two haplogroups? I was under
the impression one only have one (mine is J for instance). You mentioned
having J1 and J2. Also, is the CMH only found among the J?

Shoshana Mead
Sender: Susana Mead <shofar-1@...>


DNA Research #DNA RE: questioning the "cohen gene" #dna

susana mead <shofar-1@...>
 

On 2006.07.14, Debbie Katz <dkbk@...> wrote:

As it happens, I have three lineages (one J1f and two J2*) with
the CMH... although only one retained a tradition of cohanim descent.
(one of the J2*s)
Shabbat shalom, Debbie,

Could you clarify for me how can one have two haplogroups? I was under
the impression one only have one (mine is J for instance). You mentioned
having J1 and J2. Also, is the CMH only found among the J?

Shoshana Mead
Sender: Susana Mead <shofar-1@...>


Parents' DNA Tests #dna

L A <lisala7366@...>
 

Is there any easy answer to the type of genealogic
information I will learn by having my parents DNA
checked?

Thank You
Lisa Arnett


DNA Research #DNA Parents' DNA Tests #dna

L A <lisala7366@...>
 

Is there any easy answer to the type of genealogic
information I will learn by having my parents DNA
checked?

Thank You
Lisa Arnett


Re: questioning the "cohen gene" #dna

Joan Hartman <joanhartman@...>
 

Thanks for responding. Just to clarify, currently, Jews are mostly found
in haplogroup J. As I understand it, a haplogroup is defined as a pattern
of Y chromosomes that shares a unique mutation(s) but varies in the number
of copies of short sequences of bases that are inherited together. As I
understand it (and I am no scientist), haplogroup J is differentiated >from
other haplogroups by one mutation ("M304") . Haplogroup J is in turn
divided into two sub-haplogroups, J1 and J2. Sub-haplogroup J1 is defined
by another mutation ("M267"). Subhaplogroup J2 is defined by yet a third
mutation ("M172") Apparently the current thinking is that J1 and J2
separated well over 10,000 years ago. What I am trying to understand is
how, >from a scientific and genetic perspective, the cohen modal haplotype
-- which is just a pattern of six defined regions of DNA containing a set
number of copies of short sequences of bases which are inherited together
-- could have independently developed among a tribe of proto-priests who
fall into two completely different sub-haplogroups, J1 and J2, each of
which is over 10,000 years old. Unless I completely misunderstand the
science, the odds of this happening seem very small. (And if the cohen
modal haplotype predates the J1/J2 split, wouldn't we find it more widely
distributed in the population?) Even if you were to assume that this
random pattern could have arisen at the same time, 3500 years ago, in two
such men among the group of proto-priests of which Aaron was a member, how
could we then explain the fact that a far greater percentage of the
population of a region of southern Anatolia (12%) has the cohen modal
haplotype than do Jews?

Joan Hartman
Sender: Joan Hartman <joanhartman@...>


DNA Research #DNA Re: questioning the "cohen gene" #dna

Joan Hartman <joanhartman@...>
 

Thanks for responding. Just to clarify, currently, Jews are mostly found
in haplogroup J. As I understand it, a haplogroup is defined as a pattern
of Y chromosomes that shares a unique mutation(s) but varies in the number
of copies of short sequences of bases that are inherited together. As I
understand it (and I am no scientist), haplogroup J is differentiated >from
other haplogroups by one mutation ("M304") . Haplogroup J is in turn
divided into two sub-haplogroups, J1 and J2. Sub-haplogroup J1 is defined
by another mutation ("M267"). Subhaplogroup J2 is defined by yet a third
mutation ("M172") Apparently the current thinking is that J1 and J2
separated well over 10,000 years ago. What I am trying to understand is
how, >from a scientific and genetic perspective, the cohen modal haplotype
-- which is just a pattern of six defined regions of DNA containing a set
number of copies of short sequences of bases which are inherited together
-- could have independently developed among a tribe of proto-priests who
fall into two completely different sub-haplogroups, J1 and J2, each of
which is over 10,000 years old. Unless I completely misunderstand the
science, the odds of this happening seem very small. (And if the cohen
modal haplotype predates the J1/J2 split, wouldn't we find it more widely
distributed in the population?) Even if you were to assume that this
random pattern could have arisen at the same time, 3500 years ago, in two
such men among the group of proto-priests of which Aaron was a member, how
could we then explain the fact that a far greater percentage of the
population of a region of southern Anatolia (12%) has the cohen modal
haplotype than do Jews?

Joan Hartman
Sender: Joan Hartman <joanhartman@...>


Re: questioning the "cohen gene" #dna

CherylSimani <cherylsimani@...>
 

Have you read this article?
http://www.jogg.info/11/coffman.htm
It is an interesting summary. However, keep in mind
that this a new and dynamic field of study.

Cheryl Simani
Sender: CherylSimani <cherylsimani@...>


DNA Research #DNA Re: questioning the "cohen gene" #dna

CherylSimani <cherylsimani@...>
 

Have you read this article?
http://www.jogg.info/11/coffman.htm
It is an interesting summary. However, keep in mind
that this a new and dynamic field of study.

Cheryl Simani
Sender: CherylSimani <cherylsimani@...>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hebrew/Jewish given names #general

brendajf@...
 

I am totally perplexed and I am sure that a knowledgable JewishGenner will have
the answers.

1. Why are Jewish children (early 20th centure) named Manuel? Is this different
from Emanuel?
2. My "Jewish" name is Pessie Genendel bat Noah. I have three cousins, named for
the same women, with entirely different English names. One is my grandfather's
mother (Genendel) and one was my grandmother's mother (Pessie).

3. I have an uncle whose daughter insists that her father, Benjamin, had the
Jewish names of Pessie Genendel. Now comes the confusion. Genendel (my uncle's
grandmother) was still alive when he was born! My grandmother was Eastern
European (Ukraine) who, I believe, would never name one of her children after
her mother-in-law (Genendel) while the woman was alive.

Benjamin was born in 1911. Genendel died in 1922. In addition, would a man,
Benjamin, be given a woman's name, Pessie, rather than a male equivalent or
kinnui?

Brenda Freedland Pangborn
Bingham Farms, MI

Searching: FREEDLAND - Kiyev, Zhytomir
Mordechai Halevi FAXSTEIN and SHATZKIN- SHATSKY- SHATZKIS - Radomyshl and Zhytomir


Hebrew/Jewish given names #general

brendajf@...
 

I am totally perplexed and I am sure that a knowledgable JewishGenner will have
the answers.

1. Why are Jewish children (early 20th centure) named Manuel? Is this different
from Emanuel?
2. My "Jewish" name is Pessie Genendel bat Noah. I have three cousins, named for
the same women, with entirely different English names. One is my grandfather's
mother (Genendel) and one was my grandmother's mother (Pessie).

3. I have an uncle whose daughter insists that her father, Benjamin, had the
Jewish names of Pessie Genendel. Now comes the confusion. Genendel (my uncle's
grandmother) was still alive when he was born! My grandmother was Eastern
European (Ukraine) who, I believe, would never name one of her children after
her mother-in-law (Genendel) while the woman was alive.

Benjamin was born in 1911. Genendel died in 1922. In addition, would a man,
Benjamin, be given a woman's name, Pessie, rather than a male equivalent or
kinnui?

Brenda Freedland Pangborn
Bingham Farms, MI

Searching: FREEDLAND - Kiyev, Zhytomir
Mordechai Halevi FAXSTEIN and SHATZKIN- SHATSKY- SHATZKIS - Radomyshl and Zhytomir


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jan Meisels Allen - are you there? #general

Israel P
 

Mail to Jan Meisels Allen has been returned as undeliverable.

Jan, if you are out there, please let me know how to reach you with a bit
of a report.

Israel Pickholtz


Jan Meisels Allen - are you there? #general

Israel P
 

Mail to Jan Meisels Allen has been returned as undeliverable.

Jan, if you are out there, please let me know how to reach you with a bit
of a report.

Israel Pickholtz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Likely civil name for Aryeh Pais #general

cecilia <myths@...>
 

I have found a transcription of a Great Synagogue (London) marriage
entry in 1827 for Yehuda Leib son of Aryeh Pais.

Yehuda Leib's civil name was Lewis PHILLIPS.

Are there any obvious civil name possibilities for Aryeh Pais? (And
what is the origin of the name?)

Cecilia Nyleve


Likely civil name for Aryeh Pais #general

cecilia <myths@...>
 

I have found a transcription of a Great Synagogue (London) marriage
entry in 1827 for Yehuda Leib son of Aryeh Pais.

Yehuda Leib's civil name was Lewis PHILLIPS.

Are there any obvious civil name possibilities for Aryeh Pais? (And
what is the origin of the name?)

Cecilia Nyleve