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Re: emigration from the US #ukraine

Sarah L Meyer
 

Henry, Unfortunately those records don't generally exist or if they do, they
are not readily available. If the person left the US and went to the UK
first and then back to Poland, the Ukraine etc, then there would be
immigration records of people arriving in the UK. But short of going to
England first, it is my understanding that these records generally do not
exist.
Sarah
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Subject: Re: Immigration to USA
From: henrygruder@hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 14:49:36 +0000

I am struggling with a non-typical issue of re-emigration >from USA. Some of
my ancestors in late XIX century arrived >from Ukraine to NY. I know that my
grandfather returned back to Ukraine, since my Mom was born there in the
early XX century, but what about the other family members? Did they return
as well? Ellis Island manifestos of immigrants ARRIVING are available. What
about those returning? Did anybody encounter such an information?
I really appreciate any help,

Henry Gruder,
Ottawa
Investigating families of: LITWAK (LITVAK), DASHEV (ADASHEV), LOYEV, GRUDER,
DANCHES, KANDEL, ZELNIK, all >from Ukraine and Poland.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: emigration from the US #ukraine

Sarah L Meyer
 

Henry, Unfortunately those records don't generally exist or if they do, they
are not readily available. If the person left the US and went to the UK
first and then back to Poland, the Ukraine etc, then there would be
immigration records of people arriving in the UK. But short of going to
England first, it is my understanding that these records generally do not
exist.
Sarah
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Subject: Re: Immigration to USA
From: henrygruder@hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 14:49:36 +0000

I am struggling with a non-typical issue of re-emigration >from USA. Some of
my ancestors in late XIX century arrived >from Ukraine to NY. I know that my
grandfather returned back to Ukraine, since my Mom was born there in the
early XX century, but what about the other family members? Did they return
as well? Ellis Island manifestos of immigrants ARRIVING are available. What
about those returning? Did anybody encounter such an information?
I really appreciate any help,

Henry Gruder,
Ottawa
Investigating families of: LITWAK (LITVAK), DASHEV (ADASHEV), LOYEV, GRUDER,
DANCHES, KANDEL, ZELNIK, all >from Ukraine and Poland.


Re: ukraine digest: October 20, 2018 #ukraine

Phyllis Kramer
 

Just to set the record straight...when an immigrant's entry on a
manifest is crossed out, it means that the immigrant did not get on
that steamship. Depending on which index you view, the name may be
listed anyway.

Major steamship lines completed the manifests in advance, but if the
immigrant did not board the ship he was intended to it was typically
because of medical issues with himself or his family.

Once an immigrant arrived, if he did not meet US requirements he could
be deported. In that case there would be an entry by his name.

One of the best resources is Marian Smith's Manifest Markings - A
Guide to Interpreting Passenger List Notations, an infofile, here:
https://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/Manifests/

Happy Hunting
Phyllis Kramer, New York City, Palm Beach Gardens, Fla
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc: https://www.JewishGen.org/education

Researching (all Galicia) ...KRAMER, BEIM >from Jasienica Rosielna
...SCHEINER, KANDEL >from Strzyzow & Dubiecko ...LINDNER, EICHEL from
Rohatyn, Burstyn ...STECHER, TRACHMAN >from Nowy Zmigrod, Dukla
family web site: https://KehilaLinks.JewishGen.org/Krosno/Kramer.htm


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: ukraine digest: October 20, 2018 #ukraine

Phyllis Kramer
 

Just to set the record straight...when an immigrant's entry on a
manifest is crossed out, it means that the immigrant did not get on
that steamship. Depending on which index you view, the name may be
listed anyway.

Major steamship lines completed the manifests in advance, but if the
immigrant did not board the ship he was intended to it was typically
because of medical issues with himself or his family.

Once an immigrant arrived, if he did not meet US requirements he could
be deported. In that case there would be an entry by his name.

One of the best resources is Marian Smith's Manifest Markings - A
Guide to Interpreting Passenger List Notations, an infofile, here:
https://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/Manifests/

Happy Hunting
Phyllis Kramer, New York City, Palm Beach Gardens, Fla
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc: https://www.JewishGen.org/education

Researching (all Galicia) ...KRAMER, BEIM >from Jasienica Rosielna
...SCHEINER, KANDEL >from Strzyzow & Dubiecko ...LINDNER, EICHEL from
Rohatyn, Burstyn ...STECHER, TRACHMAN >from Nowy Zmigrod, Dukla
family web site: https://KehilaLinks.JewishGen.org/Krosno/Kramer.htm


Re: Immigration (and re-immigration) to USA #ukraine

swerner@...
 

Records were not kept of people leaving the USA, nor have I ever been
successful in finding records of people arriving in European countries from
the US.

There are two things I've found useful that may help in your case:

1) If your grandfather became a US citizen before he returned to the
Ukraine, he would have applied for a passport. His passport application may
give more application as to the reason for his return, how long he intended
to stay, etc.

2) If your grandfather returned to the States before 1925 and went through
Ellis Island, he would have been asked if he'd been in the States previously
and if so, for what period.

Good luck!

SarahRose Werner
Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada
RABINOWITZ: Chepovichi


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Immigration (and re-immigration) to USA #ukraine

swerner@...
 

Records were not kept of people leaving the USA, nor have I ever been
successful in finding records of people arriving in European countries from
the US.

There are two things I've found useful that may help in your case:

1) If your grandfather became a US citizen before he returned to the
Ukraine, he would have applied for a passport. His passport application may
give more application as to the reason for his return, how long he intended
to stay, etc.

2) If your grandfather returned to the States before 1925 and went through
Ellis Island, he would have been asked if he'd been in the States previously
and if so, for what period.

Good luck!

SarahRose Werner
Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada
RABINOWITZ: Chepovichi


Re: ukraine digest: October 20, 2018 #ukraine

Sally Bruckheimer
 

People crossed out on passenger lists missed the sailing. They didn't
arrive in the US on that ship at all but usually took another ship at
a slightly later time.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

"Sometimes (as in the case of my great-grandmother), the immigrants
arrives in New York, but had some medical or financial issue, and were
crossed off the list. The crossed out entries have been micofilmed but
not indexed. My family ended up going to relatives in Canada, and
eventually entered the U.S. by train through St. Albans"


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: ukraine digest: October 20, 2018 #ukraine

Sally Bruckheimer
 

People crossed out on passenger lists missed the sailing. They didn't
arrive in the US on that ship at all but usually took another ship at
a slightly later time.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

"Sometimes (as in the case of my great-grandmother), the immigrants
arrives in New York, but had some medical or financial issue, and were
crossed off the list. The crossed out entries have been micofilmed but
not indexed. My family ended up going to relatives in Canada, and
eventually entered the U.S. by train through St. Albans"


Searching KABAKOV #general

David Goldman
 

Greetings, Jewishgenners. Additional research has yielded the names of the
siblings I didn't know about before of my great-grandmother, Leah Kabakov
Shapiro (1865-1935). Perhaps there are people out there who are descended
from them. I know about descendants of Leah's siblings Ethel and Moshe.
Other siblings were Liba, Bunya, Kushel, Vita, Yossel and Shmerlo.
They were all the children of Avraham and Pessya Kabakov who lived in
Kanichi on the border today of Belarus with Russia, but the parents
originated apparently in Igumen.

Also, I assume Kushel = Yekusiel, Shmerlo = Shmaryahu, Vita = ?? and Bunya =
[I was told it is a Yiddish form of TOVA, though possibly with a Spanish
connection to Buena, but what about the male name "Bunim"]. Perhaps Vita =
Chaim [Life/Vida]
I am beginning to think that the Kabakovs had originally been Sephardim
either >from Spain or the Turkish empire who moved into the Belarus area.
However, this did not show up in my FTDNA or Ancestry test, which I would
think it should have!

Thanks,
David Goldman
NYC

MODERATOR NOTE: Only surnames should be written in all uppercase letters. First
names and places should be typed in normal title case.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching KABAKOV #general

David Goldman
 

Greetings, Jewishgenners. Additional research has yielded the names of the
siblings I didn't know about before of my great-grandmother, Leah Kabakov
Shapiro (1865-1935). Perhaps there are people out there who are descended
from them. I know about descendants of Leah's siblings Ethel and Moshe.
Other siblings were Liba, Bunya, Kushel, Vita, Yossel and Shmerlo.
They were all the children of Avraham and Pessya Kabakov who lived in
Kanichi on the border today of Belarus with Russia, but the parents
originated apparently in Igumen.

Also, I assume Kushel = Yekusiel, Shmerlo = Shmaryahu, Vita = ?? and Bunya =
[I was told it is a Yiddish form of TOVA, though possibly with a Spanish
connection to Buena, but what about the male name "Bunim"]. Perhaps Vita =
Chaim [Life/Vida]
I am beginning to think that the Kabakovs had originally been Sephardim
either >from Spain or the Turkish empire who moved into the Belarus area.
However, this did not show up in my FTDNA or Ancestry test, which I would
think it should have!

Thanks,
David Goldman
NYC

MODERATOR NOTE: Only surnames should be written in all uppercase letters. First
names and places should be typed in normal title case.


Re: Searching for Shliome Yankel GOROSH in U.S. #general

Phyllis Kramer
 

Rochelle Gershenow posted...
"Shlioma Yankel Gorosh was born in 1880 in Latvia. He lived with his parents
and siblings in Rezhitza (now Rezekne), Latvia. On July 15, 1902,
Shlioma and his wife, Genesa, arrived in New York......to brother in
law? Berl Brucker. I have tried, with no success, to find Shlioma and
his wife beyond the ship manifest. Since I don't know what first name he
adopted in the U.S. I searched on his surname, Gorosh, and variations of the
name. Any help or suggestions would be welcome."

I expect the name was Americanized...and presents many possibilities...I began
looking for Sam/samuel Gr*h in New York, born circa 1880 in Russia. Found these:
1920census: Sam GRESUCH 33 (1886) alien, immigrated 1907, painter,
with Rose and children. One clue is that BIL Ben Brucker is also a
painter, living in Brooklyn.
1930census:a second possibility is Sam and Fanny GRUSH in 1930 Bronx,
immigrated 1900 naturalized; Sam is 50 (born 1880) Russian.
Also found
1930census Samuel GRATCH 51(1879)Russia immigrated 1902, undertaker
and Ida Gratch; also a naturalization for this couple: Sam Gratch,
born April 1879Russia, immigrated 1901New York, naturalized 1906 in
Chicago. In 1921 daughter Mollie married Arthur Mandel.

All are worth following up on...especially looking for the tombstones
for their Hebrew names...and while you are doing that, have you
contacted the 'genner on JewishGen's Family Finder... Gerosh from
Rezekne...

Happy Hunting
Phyllis Kramer, New York City, Palm Beach Gardens, Fla
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc: https://www.JewishGen.org/education
Researching (all Galicia) ...KRAMER, BEIM >from Jasienica Rosielna
...SCHEINER, KANDEL >from Strzyzow & Dubiecko ...LINDNER, EICHEL from
Rohatyn, Burstyn ...STECHER, TRACHMAN >from Nowy Zmigrod, Dukla
family web site: https://KehilaLinks.JewishGen.org/Krosno/Kramer.htm


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Searching for Shliome Yankel GOROSH in U.S. #general

Phyllis Kramer
 

Rochelle Gershenow posted...
"Shlioma Yankel Gorosh was born in 1880 in Latvia. He lived with his parents
and siblings in Rezhitza (now Rezekne), Latvia. On July 15, 1902,
Shlioma and his wife, Genesa, arrived in New York......to brother in
law? Berl Brucker. I have tried, with no success, to find Shlioma and
his wife beyond the ship manifest. Since I don't know what first name he
adopted in the U.S. I searched on his surname, Gorosh, and variations of the
name. Any help or suggestions would be welcome."

I expect the name was Americanized...and presents many possibilities...I began
looking for Sam/samuel Gr*h in New York, born circa 1880 in Russia. Found these:
1920census: Sam GRESUCH 33 (1886) alien, immigrated 1907, painter,
with Rose and children. One clue is that BIL Ben Brucker is also a
painter, living in Brooklyn.
1930census:a second possibility is Sam and Fanny GRUSH in 1930 Bronx,
immigrated 1900 naturalized; Sam is 50 (born 1880) Russian.
Also found
1930census Samuel GRATCH 51(1879)Russia immigrated 1902, undertaker
and Ida Gratch; also a naturalization for this couple: Sam Gratch,
born April 1879Russia, immigrated 1901New York, naturalized 1906 in
Chicago. In 1921 daughter Mollie married Arthur Mandel.

All are worth following up on...especially looking for the tombstones
for their Hebrew names...and while you are doing that, have you
contacted the 'genner on JewishGen's Family Finder... Gerosh from
Rezekne...

Happy Hunting
Phyllis Kramer, New York City, Palm Beach Gardens, Fla
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc: https://www.JewishGen.org/education
Researching (all Galicia) ...KRAMER, BEIM >from Jasienica Rosielna
...SCHEINER, KANDEL >from Strzyzow & Dubiecko ...LINDNER, EICHEL from
Rohatyn, Burstyn ...STECHER, TRACHMAN >from Nowy Zmigrod, Dukla
family web site: https://KehilaLinks.JewishGen.org/Krosno/Kramer.htm


Re: Rabbis of Bereznitz - correction to previous post #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

Further to my posting regarding identity and confirmation of a Rabbi
Yosef of Breznitz whose wife was a descendant of Sprintze, daughter of
Rav Naftali KATZ , (a.k.a. the Smichat Chachamim) great grandson of
the Mahara"l.
I had written that other descendants of Sprintze who seem to be
siblings of the above Yosef's unnamed wife, are the TIKTIN rabbinical
family. I should have written the TAUBES and GUTSTEIN families.

Rav Yosef of Breznitz's son seems to have gone under the name
ROSENBAUM (or variant of). The son, my direct ancestor was a Rav.
Yisrael of Ostrov. One of his sons, also Yosef married into the family
of the Chassidic dynasties of Karlin-Stolin and Lechowitz.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Rabbis of Bereznitz - correction to previous post #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

Further to my posting regarding identity and confirmation of a Rabbi
Yosef of Breznitz whose wife was a descendant of Sprintze, daughter of
Rav Naftali KATZ , (a.k.a. the Smichat Chachamim) great grandson of
the Mahara"l.
I had written that other descendants of Sprintze who seem to be
siblings of the above Yosef's unnamed wife, are the TIKTIN rabbinical
family. I should have written the TAUBES and GUTSTEIN families.

Rav Yosef of Breznitz's son seems to have gone under the name
ROSENBAUM (or variant of). The son, my direct ancestor was a Rav.
Yisrael of Ostrov. One of his sons, also Yosef married into the family
of the Chassidic dynasties of Karlin-Stolin and Lechowitz.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


Rabbis of Bereznitz #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

In my ancestral to the Mahara"l and the Maharsha"l there is
,supposedly a certain Rabbi in the city(town?) of Breznitz , I don't
think it the town in Czchoslovakia but further east, first name
probably Yosef. He seems to be the husband of an unnamed descendant
of Rav Naftali KATZ (a.k.a. The Smichat Chachamim) who was a
descendant of the Mahara"l. Published trees have Rabbi Yosef (or his
wife's) siblings listed (a Shmuel of Rava Ruska and the TIKTIN
rabbinical family) but our line does not appear in published sources.
My time estimate is the latter part of the 18th cent. and possibly
early 19th.

I am trying to identify and confirm who the above couple are (Rabbi
Yosef and/or his wife) and if they were actually descendants of the
Mahara"l and Naftali KATZ as our family lore states.

TIA

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rabbis of Bereznitz #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

In my ancestral to the Mahara"l and the Maharsha"l there is
,supposedly a certain Rabbi in the city(town?) of Breznitz , I don't
think it the town in Czchoslovakia but further east, first name
probably Yosef. He seems to be the husband of an unnamed descendant
of Rav Naftali KATZ (a.k.a. The Smichat Chachamim) who was a
descendant of the Mahara"l. Published trees have Rabbi Yosef (or his
wife's) siblings listed (a Shmuel of Rava Ruska and the TIKTIN
rabbinical family) but our line does not appear in published sources.
My time estimate is the latter part of the 18th cent. and possibly
early 19th.

I am trying to identify and confirm who the above couple are (Rabbi
Yosef and/or his wife) and if they were actually descendants of the
Mahara"l and Naftali KATZ as our family lore states.

TIA

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


Prime Minister of Moldova Pavel Philip demanded a plan to restore the Jewish cemetery in Kishinev! #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan
 

Hi everybody,

I got an interesting information >from Kishinev that Prime Minister of Moldova Pavel Philip visited
Kishinev Jewish cemetery and demanded(!) a plan to restore the Jewish cemetery in Kishinev.
You can see the website, and translate it >from Russian:

https://m.point.md/ru/novosti/obschestvo/pavel-filip-potreboval-razrabotat-plan-po-vosstanovleniiu-evreiskogo-kladbishcha

At first value it looks great, finally the Moldovan government thinks about the Jewish cemetery, Jewish
Heritage, Jewish Museum, etc. even if the goal is to get more tourists, visitors, business to the town.

Let's see what is going to come >from it, and not celebrate it yet.

Here is site about Prime Minister Pavel Philip: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Filip

You may also know that there is United States Commission for the Preservation of America's
Heritage Abroad I think that according to the document of that commission:
https://www.jewishgen.org/bessarabia/files/cemetery/JDCHeritageSitesInMoldova.pdf
and according to the document about the Government of Moldova had to think about it long
time ago?!

Let me know what do you think about it... Do we have any politicians in our group? anyone
who is close to United States Commission for the Preservation of America's Heritage Abroad
who can explain what that Commission is doing since 2010 when the document was written?

all the best,
Yefim Kogan
JewishGen Bessarabia SIG Leader and Coordinator


Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia Prime Minister of Moldova Pavel Philip demanded a plan to restore the Jewish cemetery in Kishinev! #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan
 

Hi everybody,

I got an interesting information >from Kishinev that Prime Minister of Moldova Pavel Philip visited
Kishinev Jewish cemetery and demanded(!) a plan to restore the Jewish cemetery in Kishinev.
You can see the website, and translate it >from Russian:

https://m.point.md/ru/novosti/obschestvo/pavel-filip-potreboval-razrabotat-plan-po-vosstanovleniiu-evreiskogo-kladbishcha

At first value it looks great, finally the Moldovan government thinks about the Jewish cemetery, Jewish
Heritage, Jewish Museum, etc. even if the goal is to get more tourists, visitors, business to the town.

Let's see what is going to come >from it, and not celebrate it yet.

Here is site about Prime Minister Pavel Philip: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Filip

You may also know that there is United States Commission for the Preservation of America's
Heritage Abroad I think that according to the document of that commission:
https://www.jewishgen.org/bessarabia/files/cemetery/JDCHeritageSitesInMoldova.pdf
and according to the document about the Government of Moldova had to think about it long
time ago?!

Let me know what do you think about it... Do we have any politicians in our group? anyone
who is close to United States Commission for the Preservation of America's Heritage Abroad
who can explain what that Commission is doing since 2010 when the document was written?

all the best,
Yefim Kogan
JewishGen Bessarabia SIG Leader and Coordinator


JGSGW October 28, 2018 Program & Workshop Announcement #general

N. Kotz
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington will host our
October Meeting and Program on Sunday, October 23 at B'nai Israel
Congregation in Rockville, Maryland.:

10:00 AM - 12:00 Noon
Members Only Beginners and Intermediate Workshops (advance
registration required)

Beginners Workshop:
If you're new to Jewish genealogy, new to JGSGW, or just need to jump
start your research, this workshop is for you. The workshop starts
with an introduction to Jewish genealogy and includes basic
guidelines and strategies, online resources, and the holdings of the
JGSGW library at B'nai Israel.

Intermediate Workshop:
This session is for members who know the basics, but want to take
their research to the next level. It will cover more in-depth online
searching, DNA, a case study, and a question-and-answer session.

These workshops are offered concurrently, so participants may only
register for one session on this date. Registration is limited to 20
members per workshop. Workshops will be repeated March 24, 2019, at
Beth El Hebrew Congregation in Alexandria, VA.

Join JGSGW now and participate in these activities at no additional
cost. Go to jgsgw.org and click "Membership" on left to join.

To register, please email jgsgw@jgsgw.org after you have joined JGSGW
and specify which workshop you would like to attend including your
name and phone number.

1:00 - 1:30 PM Member discussion tables with topics about Poland

1:30 PM -- JGSGW PANEL
What I Did During My Summer Vacation: Reports >from the IAJGS
Conference in Warsaw
Join us at our program meeting for a panel discussion featuring
several JGSGW members describing how discoveries made during the IAJGS
Conference in Warsaw, or on pre- or post-conference trips, moved their
research forward. You will hear how new techniques, research tips, or
on-site document searches resulted in ah-ha! moments, and proven or
disproven theories.

JGSGW Guest Attendance Policy:
Meetings and most events are free to JGSGW members. Non-members may
attend for a fee of $5. If they decide to join JGSGW at the meeting or
event, the $5 will be applied toward membership. Members who require
personal assistance due to a health condition or disability may bring
an assistant at no charge.

Nancy C. Kotz
VP Communications, JGSGW
http://www.jgsgw.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGSGW October 28, 2018 Program & Workshop Announcement #general

N. Kotz
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington will host our
October Meeting and Program on Sunday, October 23 at B'nai Israel
Congregation in Rockville, Maryland.:

10:00 AM - 12:00 Noon
Members Only Beginners and Intermediate Workshops (advance
registration required)

Beginners Workshop:
If you're new to Jewish genealogy, new to JGSGW, or just need to jump
start your research, this workshop is for you. The workshop starts
with an introduction to Jewish genealogy and includes basic
guidelines and strategies, online resources, and the holdings of the
JGSGW library at B'nai Israel.

Intermediate Workshop:
This session is for members who know the basics, but want to take
their research to the next level. It will cover more in-depth online
searching, DNA, a case study, and a question-and-answer session.

These workshops are offered concurrently, so participants may only
register for one session on this date. Registration is limited to 20
members per workshop. Workshops will be repeated March 24, 2019, at
Beth El Hebrew Congregation in Alexandria, VA.

Join JGSGW now and participate in these activities at no additional
cost. Go to jgsgw.org and click "Membership" on left to join.

To register, please email jgsgw@jgsgw.org after you have joined JGSGW
and specify which workshop you would like to attend including your
name and phone number.

1:00 - 1:30 PM Member discussion tables with topics about Poland

1:30 PM -- JGSGW PANEL
What I Did During My Summer Vacation: Reports >from the IAJGS
Conference in Warsaw
Join us at our program meeting for a panel discussion featuring
several JGSGW members describing how discoveries made during the IAJGS
Conference in Warsaw, or on pre- or post-conference trips, moved their
research forward. You will hear how new techniques, research tips, or
on-site document searches resulted in ah-ha! moments, and proven or
disproven theories.

JGSGW Guest Attendance Policy:
Meetings and most events are free to JGSGW members. Non-members may
attend for a fee of $5. If they decide to join JGSGW at the meeting or
event, the $5 will be applied toward membership. Members who require
personal assistance due to a health condition or disability may bring
an assistant at no charge.

Nancy C. Kotz
VP Communications, JGSGW
http://www.jgsgw.org

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