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UK Voters list #general

David Kravitz
 

I have received a response to my query >from Matt Pitcher, an Electoral
Services Officer, Law & Corporate Governance regarding electoral
registration in the UK. To summarize:

1. The law still requires a householder to make an annual return of all
occupants of a house. They will send postal reminders and make a home visit
if they get no response. But, if the register remains unchanged, they *will
now* accept a telephone call or email/Internet registration.

2. There are two versions of the register, a full version with restricted
usage for voting, credit checking and crime prevention, and an edited
version freely available for purchase and no restriction on usage. Anybody
on the full list can *now* ask to be removed >from the full version for any
reason.

3. British citizens can now apply to be included on a register for 15 years
after emigration in their last registration constituency.

4. Voters' lists can "now" be alterred monthly for nine months of the year
to minimize the need to travel distances to vote caused by moving home.

Only today, a woman has been charged with making false entries on registers.

Thus >from a genealogical viewpoint, UK electoral registers are no more
valuable than telephone directories given the growing number of unlisted
numbers. But people who have moved or died should not be on the register at
a specific address >from year to year, as previously suggested.

David Kravitz
Netanya, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen UK Voters list #general

David Kravitz
 

I have received a response to my query >from Matt Pitcher, an Electoral
Services Officer, Law & Corporate Governance regarding electoral
registration in the UK. To summarize:

1. The law still requires a householder to make an annual return of all
occupants of a house. They will send postal reminders and make a home visit
if they get no response. But, if the register remains unchanged, they *will
now* accept a telephone call or email/Internet registration.

2. There are two versions of the register, a full version with restricted
usage for voting, credit checking and crime prevention, and an edited
version freely available for purchase and no restriction on usage. Anybody
on the full list can *now* ask to be removed >from the full version for any
reason.

3. British citizens can now apply to be included on a register for 15 years
after emigration in their last registration constituency.

4. Voters' lists can "now" be alterred monthly for nine months of the year
to minimize the need to travel distances to vote caused by moving home.

Only today, a woman has been charged with making false entries on registers.

Thus >from a genealogical viewpoint, UK electoral registers are no more
valuable than telephone directories given the growing number of unlisted
numbers. But people who have moved or died should not be on the register at
a specific address >from year to year, as previously suggested.

David Kravitz
Netanya, Israel


.... Questions about Naturalization Distric #2 #general

JEF BARNETT <JBarnett@...>
 

Ilya Zeldes of Fort Myers, Florida wrote (by the way -get rid of your spam
blocker or you will never get any responses)
"2x-148658 1/28/43" is a handwritten notation on a passenger record. It
means that a Certificate of Arrival was sent to the Naturalization District
#2 on January 28, 1943. According to information available, the District #2
was the INS Naturalization Office in New York, NY. Its boundary and Jurisdiction
were in the Southern NY.May someone please tell me where this office was and
where it is now (the street address)? I mean, where should I write to and ask for
records?
.................


Having just gone thru the process of trying to find someone using a similar
notation, it is not as easy as would be hoped>
The cert of arrival number is NOT something that is indexed anywhere. I just
means that the petition for naturalization was applied for in the Southern
District of NY (hence the #2-) but as the people at the US naturalization
office in Manhattan told me (that's were the original records for that
district are held), the person may never have completed the process, or gone
to another district to get naturalized. May even been naturalized at a city
court not federal!.
The federal records are on the http://italiangen.org site and indexed by
name. You need to try to find the person by name and a date after the
1/28/1943 date on the notation. You may want to check the site for the other
NY districts to see if they filed there.
Once you get the Petition number >from the site, you can follow the
directions for getting a copy. (by the way, the actual original file
contains the cert of arrival form with the number you have already so you
can verify it is the right person)
Jef Barnett
Bensalem, PA

BANDRYMER (Bandrimer or Bandremer) -Serock, Pultusk, Rozan Poland
KRASHA - Serock, Krasnosielc Poland
NOWAK (Novak, Nowack) -Serock, Krasnosielc Poland
BULMAN- Poland
SOLARZ- Serock, Krasnosielc Poland
SILVERBERG- Serock, Krasnosielc Poland


: Emigrants from Romania to Egypt #romania

Ivor <morway@...>
 

Dear all,
Do not forget the Romanian Jews who arrived in Egypt, a generation later,
after settling in Palestine.
My own family was a good case. The EPSTEINs left Galati aboard the
"Thetis" ( a Danubian riverboat) and eventually disembarked in Haifa in
August 1882. They were part of the Bilu movement, and hence help found
Zichron Yaacov. Their origins are obscure. Research has revealed that
they changed their original name of SADOWSKY to the Bilu name of EPSTEIN
after leaving Tulcea in 1882, bound for disembarkation in Galati. The
family settled in Tulcea in 1878. >from where they came before this (which
country???) is anyone's guess!!!
During the late 1890's or early 1900's my grandfather Avraham Epstein and
his brother Shmuel Epstein were sent as young men to live with Romanian
relatives in Alexandria, Egypt. Eventually, the family (living in poverty
and hunger) in Zichron Yaacov was thus split in three: One third was sent
to Egypt, one third sailed for Fremantle in Western Australia and one
third remained in Zichron Yaacov. Hence I was born in Egypt, but migrated
to Australia in 1950.

With kind regards,

Dr Ivor Epstein


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen .... Questions about Naturalization Distric #2 #general

JEF BARNETT <JBarnett@...>
 

Ilya Zeldes of Fort Myers, Florida wrote (by the way -get rid of your spam
blocker or you will never get any responses)
"2x-148658 1/28/43" is a handwritten notation on a passenger record. It
means that a Certificate of Arrival was sent to the Naturalization District
#2 on January 28, 1943. According to information available, the District #2
was the INS Naturalization Office in New York, NY. Its boundary and Jurisdiction
were in the Southern NY.May someone please tell me where this office was and
where it is now (the street address)? I mean, where should I write to and ask for
records?
.................


Having just gone thru the process of trying to find someone using a similar
notation, it is not as easy as would be hoped>
The cert of arrival number is NOT something that is indexed anywhere. I just
means that the petition for naturalization was applied for in the Southern
District of NY (hence the #2-) but as the people at the US naturalization
office in Manhattan told me (that's were the original records for that
district are held), the person may never have completed the process, or gone
to another district to get naturalized. May even been naturalized at a city
court not federal!.
The federal records are on the http://italiangen.org site and indexed by
name. You need to try to find the person by name and a date after the
1/28/1943 date on the notation. You may want to check the site for the other
NY districts to see if they filed there.
Once you get the Petition number >from the site, you can follow the
directions for getting a copy. (by the way, the actual original file
contains the cert of arrival form with the number you have already so you
can verify it is the right person)
Jef Barnett
Bensalem, PA

BANDRYMER (Bandrimer or Bandremer) -Serock, Pultusk, Rozan Poland
KRASHA - Serock, Krasnosielc Poland
NOWAK (Novak, Nowack) -Serock, Krasnosielc Poland
BULMAN- Poland
SOLARZ- Serock, Krasnosielc Poland
SILVERBERG- Serock, Krasnosielc Poland


Romania SIG #Romania : Emigrants from Romania to Egypt #romania

Ivor <morway@...>
 

Dear all,
Do not forget the Romanian Jews who arrived in Egypt, a generation later,
after settling in Palestine.
My own family was a good case. The EPSTEINs left Galati aboard the
"Thetis" ( a Danubian riverboat) and eventually disembarked in Haifa in
August 1882. They were part of the Bilu movement, and hence help found
Zichron Yaacov. Their origins are obscure. Research has revealed that
they changed their original name of SADOWSKY to the Bilu name of EPSTEIN
after leaving Tulcea in 1882, bound for disembarkation in Galati. The
family settled in Tulcea in 1878. >from where they came before this (which
country???) is anyone's guess!!!
During the late 1890's or early 1900's my grandfather Avraham Epstein and
his brother Shmuel Epstein were sent as young men to live with Romanian
relatives in Alexandria, Egypt. Eventually, the family (living in poverty
and hunger) in Zichron Yaacov was thus split in three: One third was sent
to Egypt, one third sailed for Fremantle in Western Australia and one
third remained in Zichron Yaacov. Hence I was born in Egypt, but migrated
to Australia in 1950.

With kind regards,

Dr Ivor Epstein


2 varients of the same name #general

Leah Aharoni
 

In my research I came across a woman listed in family records as Yoora.
When searching Lithuanian revision lists, I found a family with similar
names but there the mother is listed as Yokheved. I have never heard of
a name such as Yoora. What are the chances that this is one and the same
person?


Leah Aharoni
leah25@netvision.net.il


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 2 varients of the same name #general

Leah Aharoni
 

In my research I came across a woman listed in family records as Yoora.
When searching Lithuanian revision lists, I found a family with similar
names but there the mother is listed as Yokheved. I have never heard of
a name such as Yoora. What are the chances that this is one and the same
person?


Leah Aharoni
leah25@netvision.net.il


Re: Conversion #general

Roger Lustig <julierog@...>
 

Well, the first step is to determine what country and, if possible, what
city the person lived in around that time.

Next, share with others (say, this mailing list) the reasons that you
believe this person did or did not convert, along with any other
information you think might be useful--such as the names of relatives,
spouses, etc.

With such information in hand, some of us might be able to give you
assistance.

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA

RUP29@aol.com wrote:

How can I find out if someone converted to Judaisim in about 1924
V.Gold
Watford
_RUP29@AOL.COM_ (mailto:RUP29@AOL.COM)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Conversion #general

Roger Lustig <julierog@...>
 

Well, the first step is to determine what country and, if possible, what
city the person lived in around that time.

Next, share with others (say, this mailing list) the reasons that you
believe this person did or did not convert, along with any other
information you think might be useful--such as the names of relatives,
spouses, etc.

With such information in hand, some of us might be able to give you
assistance.

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA

RUP29@aol.com wrote:

How can I find out if someone converted to Judaisim in about 1924
V.Gold
Watford
_RUP29@AOL.COM_ (mailto:RUP29@AOL.COM)


Re: Replies from MacUsers with Reunion 8 Software #general

bud484bg@...
 

Dear Mac and Reunion -JewishGen users:

I stopped counting after the first 50 replies. I was unaware that there
were so many of you using l) Macs and 2) Reunion software program.
Although I have thanked most of you individually, this is a thank you
to all who offered their generous time and effort in trying to help -
After six years of fairly successful research - I am not too speedy
with the computer and am in awe at the information so many of you came
up with in so little time.

At any rate, in my followup to most of you, asking for help sending a
Reunion descendant chart as an Email attachment, it seems that the
large size of the chart (18MB) was a deterring factor and I have not
found the solution as yet.

I'm putting this aside for now.

Again, my appreciation and thanks to all of you very very kind people.

Beatrice Markel
Redondo Beach, California


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Replies from MacUsers with Reunion 8 Software #general

bud484bg@...
 

Dear Mac and Reunion -JewishGen users:

I stopped counting after the first 50 replies. I was unaware that there
were so many of you using l) Macs and 2) Reunion software program.
Although I have thanked most of you individually, this is a thank you
to all who offered their generous time and effort in trying to help -
After six years of fairly successful research - I am not too speedy
with the computer and am in awe at the information so many of you came
up with in so little time.

At any rate, in my followup to most of you, asking for help sending a
Reunion descendant chart as an Email attachment, it seems that the
large size of the chart (18MB) was a deterring factor and I have not
found the solution as yet.

I'm putting this aside for now.

Again, my appreciation and thanks to all of you very very kind people.

Beatrice Markel
Redondo Beach, California


Russian to English translation of POT for Leyb Sheinkman #general

avatom@...
 

Genners,
I have posted a POT on Viewmate. I need a Russian to English translation of a
Page of Testimony for Leyb Sheinkman which was submitted by Vladimir Zbenovich.
The PoT can be found at
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7764

I am particularly looking for a translation of Zbenovich's address and phone
number so that I may contact him as I believe we could be related. Please respond
privately to me at AvaTom@comcast.net. As always, thank you.

Ava Cohn
Long Grove, IL

Searching: SHENKMAN/SHEINKMAN (Volyntsy, Vitebsk gubernia; Kiev; Riga);
COHN (Botosani,Bucharesti, Romania, Montreal, Philadelphia);
HANDELMAN (Spivak/Shpikov, Ukraine); ABRAMS/ABRAMOVICH (Odessa);
FRIEDMAN/FRIDMAN (Vitebsk gubernia); STERIN (Ukraine); HAMMER
(Chernivitsi, Montreal)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Russian to English translation of POT for Leyb Sheinkman #general

avatom@...
 

Genners,
I have posted a POT on Viewmate. I need a Russian to English translation of a
Page of Testimony for Leyb Sheinkman which was submitted by Vladimir Zbenovich.
The PoT can be found at
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7764

I am particularly looking for a translation of Zbenovich's address and phone
number so that I may contact him as I believe we could be related. Please respond
privately to me at AvaTom@comcast.net. As always, thank you.

Ava Cohn
Long Grove, IL

Searching: SHENKMAN/SHEINKMAN (Volyntsy, Vitebsk gubernia; Kiev; Riga);
COHN (Botosani,Bucharesti, Romania, Montreal, Philadelphia);
HANDELMAN (Spivak/Shpikov, Ukraine); ABRAMS/ABRAMOVICH (Odessa);
FRIEDMAN/FRIDMAN (Vitebsk gubernia); STERIN (Ukraine); HAMMER
(Chernivitsi, Montreal)


Re: A marriage document for two people with childen born twenty years before #warsaw #poland

Hadassah Lipsius <kesher@...>
 

I have seen this occur many times. For some reason, perhaps legal, the
marriage is registered officially many years after the actual event. One =
of
my favorite cases is the Civil Marriage record of Gerrer Rebbe's, Rabbi
Yehudah Aryeh Leib Alter. It took place many years the actual event and
listed several of his children's names in the record. =20


Hadassah Lipsius
Kew Gardens Hills, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rose Feldman [mailto:rosef@post.tau.ac.il]=20
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 7:52 PM
To: Warszawa Research Group
Subject: [warszawa] A marriage document for two people with childen born
twenty years before

Has this happend to anyone else? Two days ago, I received a marriage=20
registration >from 1874 in Warsaw. It states that the groom is 60, as is =
the=20
bride and that they have children born in 1853 and 1857. I am assuming =
that=20
is the formal state registration of their marriage (which actually took=20
place somewhere before 1837, because I have another document for the =
birth=20
of a daughter in 1838).
Rose Feldman


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland RE: A marriage document for two people with childen born twenty years before #warsaw #poland

Hadassah Lipsius <kesher@...>
 

I have seen this occur many times. For some reason, perhaps legal, the
marriage is registered officially many years after the actual event. One =
of
my favorite cases is the Civil Marriage record of Gerrer Rebbe's, Rabbi
Yehudah Aryeh Leib Alter. It took place many years the actual event and
listed several of his children's names in the record. =20


Hadassah Lipsius
Kew Gardens Hills, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rose Feldman [mailto:rosef@post.tau.ac.il]=20
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 7:52 PM
To: Warszawa Research Group
Subject: [warszawa] A marriage document for two people with childen born
twenty years before

Has this happend to anyone else? Two days ago, I received a marriage=20
registration >from 1874 in Warsaw. It states that the groom is 60, as is =
the=20
bride and that they have children born in 1853 and 1857. I am assuming =
that=20
is the formal state registration of their marriage (which actually took=20
place somewhere before 1837, because I have another document for the =
birth=20
of a daughter in 1838).
Rose Feldman


Re: How often were people not counted in the census? #general

Rich Lowenthal <richlowenthal@...>
 

I too have relatives I have never found in the census. In some cases it
turned out their names were so imaginatively misspelled that it was only
luck and wildcards that allowed me to find them at all. If you are using a
service that allows searches on other criteria try using their ages,
birthplaces, or first names.

Knowing the address helps, although not always--in the 1910 census, my
grandmother's entire apartment building is missing. I guess the census
taker quit early that day.

Rich Lowenthal

North Bennington, VT

Searching REFOWICH, DRITZ, MALKIEL, ZUROFSKY

"Yehudh bn Shlmo" <ybs1207@yahoo.com> wrote
At 5:57 PM -0700 4/24/06, Debbie Skolnik wrote:

My maternal grandparents lived in Chicago. Try as
I might, I cannot find them in the online census of
1920, although I know they were in Chicago at the time.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: How often were people not counted in the census? #general

Rich Lowenthal <richlowenthal@...>
 

I too have relatives I have never found in the census. In some cases it
turned out their names were so imaginatively misspelled that it was only
luck and wildcards that allowed me to find them at all. If you are using a
service that allows searches on other criteria try using their ages,
birthplaces, or first names.

Knowing the address helps, although not always--in the 1910 census, my
grandmother's entire apartment building is missing. I guess the census
taker quit early that day.

Rich Lowenthal

North Bennington, VT

Searching REFOWICH, DRITZ, MALKIEL, ZUROFSKY

"Yehudh bn Shlmo" <ybs1207@yahoo.com> wrote
At 5:57 PM -0700 4/24/06, Debbie Skolnik wrote:

My maternal grandparents lived in Chicago. Try as
I might, I cannot find them in the online census of
1920, although I know they were in Chicago at the time.


volunteers needed for Published by JewishGen Project #yiddish

Carol W. Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

Dear JewishGenner's
We have need for volunteers with very specific skills and experience.
Please review this list of
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Yiddish Theatre and Vadeville #YiddishTheatre volunteers needed for Published by JewishGen Project #yiddish

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Dear JewishGenner's
We have need for volunteers with very specific skills and experience.
Please review this list of
"help wanted" and let us know if you would like to offer your time to the
Published by JewishGen project.

1. Editor and proofreader : This requires previous experience as an
editor because the role can be challenging. It involves editing material
originally written in another language and then translated into English.
The end goal is to come up with a document that maintains the integrity
and style of the writer, but observes basic English grammar. Is this
something you can do while working in a word processing program that
will ultimately be converted to a pdf file for delivery to the printer?

2. Layout editor who can take the above described material and convert it
to a pdf file following the requirements for printing.

3. Graphics editor who will take on the responsibility of designing the
cover of a book, selection of font and style and "look" of the finished product

4. Experienced advertising writer who can provide messages promoting the
finished product, not only to our own constituency but to libraries
that maintain collections relating to the topics of our publications.

If you have an interest and previous experience, please let us hear >from
you.

Carol

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Vice President, JewishGen Special Projects