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Allenstein in Israel--request for help #poland

Marty Meyers <meyers01@...>
 

I was recently told that an Ester Mlaver Allenstein was living in
Tel Aviv in 1986.

She was born in Poland in 1907. I would like to get in contact with
her or someone >from her family. My gggggg-grandfather was Zelek
Allenstein who died in Przasnysz in 1817 at the age of 80. I also
have Mlaver family connections in Przasnysz.

Thanks,

Marty Meyers

researching:
ZYLBERMAN/SILVERMAN/ALLENSZTEJN/BRZYSKIER >from Przasnysz/Chorzele
BORDOWITZ/(WICZ) >from Przasnysz/Mlawa/Ciechanow/Makow/Pultusk/Wyszkow
MEYEROWITZ/POROSHKIN >from Bolshaya Berestovitsa (Belarus)
KIRSHNER/SIDMAN/BAILIN >from Slavuta/Volhynia/Ukraine
LANDSMAN/FINBERG/PEANEN >from Vilna
ZELMANOVICH/ROZENSZTEIN >from Poland (Przasnysz/Mlawa/Janowo area)

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


JRI Poland #Poland Allenstein in Israel--request for help #poland

Marty Meyers <meyers01@...>
 

I was recently told that an Ester Mlaver Allenstein was living in
Tel Aviv in 1986.

She was born in Poland in 1907. I would like to get in contact with
her or someone >from her family. My gggggg-grandfather was Zelek
Allenstein who died in Przasnysz in 1817 at the age of 80. I also
have Mlaver family connections in Przasnysz.

Thanks,

Marty Meyers

researching:
ZYLBERMAN/SILVERMAN/ALLENSZTEJN/BRZYSKIER >from Przasnysz/Chorzele
BORDOWITZ/(WICZ) >from Przasnysz/Mlawa/Ciechanow/Makow/Pultusk/Wyszkow
MEYEROWITZ/POROSHKIN >from Bolshaya Berestovitsa (Belarus)
KIRSHNER/SIDMAN/BAILIN >from Slavuta/Volhynia/Ukraine
LANDSMAN/FINBERG/PEANEN >from Vilna
ZELMANOVICH/ROZENSZTEIN >from Poland (Przasnysz/Mlawa/Janowo area)

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Uzlany/Mt.Skrill/Skriloff Circle #belarus

Deborah Fox <debfox@...>
 

I am researching Uzlany (Uzlian, Uzlyany, Yuslan) south of Minsk. I have
traced the FOX/FUCHS and SKRILOFF families there to the 1700's. Family
stories claim that a SKRILOFF ancestor was a draft dodger >from another area
and needed a new name. He named himself Skriloff, after Mount Skrill, which
was nearby. I cannot find a Mount Skrill anywhere near Minsk, or in nearby
Poland, Russia, etc. I am also looking for a group called the Skriloff
Circle, members of that family who used to meet in NYC. I have heard that
they still meet occasionally.
Deborah Fox
Brigantine, NJ


Belarus SIG #Belarus Uzlany/Mt.Skrill/Skriloff Circle #belarus

Deborah Fox <debfox@...>
 

I am researching Uzlany (Uzlian, Uzlyany, Yuslan) south of Minsk. I have
traced the FOX/FUCHS and SKRILOFF families there to the 1700's. Family
stories claim that a SKRILOFF ancestor was a draft dodger >from another area
and needed a new name. He named himself Skriloff, after Mount Skrill, which
was nearby. I cannot find a Mount Skrill anywhere near Minsk, or in nearby
Poland, Russia, etc. I am also looking for a group called the Skriloff
Circle, members of that family who used to meet in NYC. I have heard that
they still meet occasionally.
Deborah Fox
Brigantine, NJ


Play on names, Searching ?ICKLER, ?ICHLER, ?ISLER #belarus

Rachelle <rlberliner@...>
 

This may be a longshot for the JACOBS family search for the original
surname. However, it also may bring some answers. I would appreciate your
thoughts on this. Please answer me privately.



Since our English cousin was unsure of the original surname of our
grandfather, I am curious whether or not Ellis Island or any departure port
could have also been unsure of spelling. For example: Any letter preceding
the "I" in ICKLER/ICHLER/or ISLER would have changed the name completely. I
have searched both FTJP and JGFF, using the D-M soundex.



An "A" or "E" would still make the same sound. However, any consonant (or 2
together, such as St, Sp, etc.) could drastically change the name. If family
came >from Poland, Przasnysz, Posen, Prussia, or anywhere directly to the
U.S. without first living in the UK for awhile, they would not have known to
search their family in the U.S. with our JACOBS name and today, we would not
know how to search for them. Since the family was Orthodox, I assume that
New York and/or Baltimore would be their residence of choice.



Thank you in advance for giving your time and thoughts to this.



Sincerely,

Rachelle Leaf Berliner

Savannah, GA

rlberliner@comcast.net

Searching Joseph Judah & Golda Rachel (or Rachel Golda) JACOBS Family
Connections:

EICHLER/AYKLER/ISLER/EHRLICH/JACOBS/GOLDSTEIN >from Przasnysz, Poland/Russia
to London, England to Baltimore, MD to Atlanta, GA. Families of:: Max
HELLMAN, Simon LEVY, Hyman COHEN, Sam & Raymond,FINE, Aaron KAHANOW, Sam
LEAF


Belarus SIG #Belarus Play on names, Searching ?ICKLER, ?ICHLER, ?ISLER #belarus

Rachelle <rlberliner@...>
 

This may be a longshot for the JACOBS family search for the original
surname. However, it also may bring some answers. I would appreciate your
thoughts on this. Please answer me privately.



Since our English cousin was unsure of the original surname of our
grandfather, I am curious whether or not Ellis Island or any departure port
could have also been unsure of spelling. For example: Any letter preceding
the "I" in ICKLER/ICHLER/or ISLER would have changed the name completely. I
have searched both FTJP and JGFF, using the D-M soundex.



An "A" or "E" would still make the same sound. However, any consonant (or 2
together, such as St, Sp, etc.) could drastically change the name. If family
came >from Poland, Przasnysz, Posen, Prussia, or anywhere directly to the
U.S. without first living in the UK for awhile, they would not have known to
search their family in the U.S. with our JACOBS name and today, we would not
know how to search for them. Since the family was Orthodox, I assume that
New York and/or Baltimore would be their residence of choice.



Thank you in advance for giving your time and thoughts to this.



Sincerely,

Rachelle Leaf Berliner

Savannah, GA

rlberliner@comcast.net

Searching Joseph Judah & Golda Rachel (or Rachel Golda) JACOBS Family
Connections:

EICHLER/AYKLER/ISLER/EHRLICH/JACOBS/GOLDSTEIN >from Przasnysz, Poland/Russia
to London, England to Baltimore, MD to Atlanta, GA. Families of:: Max
HELLMAN, Simon LEVY, Hyman COHEN, Sam & Raymond,FINE, Aaron KAHANOW, Sam
LEAF


Chust (Carpathorus) - a new Yizkor book #yizkorbooks

Uri Jakubovic
 

Dec. 22, 2003

Dear Genners,

A new book was published recently about Chust (read Khust) in Carpathorus,
now in Ukraine. hereby are the bibliographic details of it:

"Kehillat Chust Vehasviva - Sefer Zikaron" = "The Jewish Community in Chust and
its Surrounding Villages". Published by the Association of former Inhabitants of Chust and Its Surrounding Villages. Rehovot, 2000. Its editor is Zvi Menshel.
The book is of 640 pages containings photographs, maps etc. Its price is
150 NIS (including delivery costs). *** The book has an English version and
contains 1043 pages including also indices that are missing in the Hebrew one.
Its price is 270 NIS (including delivery costs).

For more details and orders, address to the book editor Mr. Zvi Menshel
[Moderator Note: Please contact Uri for Mr. Menshel's email address if you
are interested]

Uri Jakubovic
Israel


Yizkor Books #YizkorBooks Chust (Carpathorus) - a new Yizkor book #yizkorbooks

Uri Jakubovic
 

Dec. 22, 2003

Dear Genners,

A new book was published recently about Chust (read Khust) in Carpathorus,
now in Ukraine. hereby are the bibliographic details of it:

"Kehillat Chust Vehasviva - Sefer Zikaron" = "The Jewish Community in Chust and
its Surrounding Villages". Published by the Association of former Inhabitants of Chust and Its Surrounding Villages. Rehovot, 2000. Its editor is Zvi Menshel.
The book is of 640 pages containings photographs, maps etc. Its price is
150 NIS (including delivery costs). *** The book has an English version and
contains 1043 pages including also indices that are missing in the Hebrew one.
Its price is 270 NIS (including delivery costs).

For more details and orders, address to the book editor Mr. Zvi Menshel
[Moderator Note: Please contact Uri for Mr. Menshel's email address if you
are interested]

Uri Jakubovic
Israel


Thanks for Benveniste/Epstein Resend #belarus

Jack R. Braverman <jbraverman1@...>
 

I want to thank each and every kind soul who either sent me a copy of the=

original Beveniniste msg., or who sent along other comments about the
surname Epstein.

I'm grateful to you all for your kindness.

I always say that genealogists are the most generous of all peoples.

Happy New Year. May you have success, good health, and breakthroughs in
your genealogy efforts!

Jack Braverman


Belarus SIG #Belarus Thanks for Benveniste/Epstein Resend #belarus

Jack R. Braverman <jbraverman1@...>
 

I want to thank each and every kind soul who either sent me a copy of the=

original Beveniniste msg., or who sent along other comments about the
surname Epstein.

I'm grateful to you all for your kindness.

I always say that genealogists are the most generous of all peoples.

Happy New Year. May you have success, good health, and breakthroughs in
your genealogy efforts!

Jack Braverman


Kulianu Litvaks #belarus

lbert <alic99@...>
 

Thanks to Jack R. Braverman for the interesting question.
I completely agree with Larry Gaom with geographical definition for Litvaks.
In the mentioned context, I think, mind special character of Litvaks.
Briefly, Litvaks are assiduous and moderate in display of the feelings.
In that Litvaks differ, for example, >from the Ukrainian Jews.

Albert Kaganovich,
PhD of Hebrew University


Belarus SIG #Belarus Kulianu Litvaks #belarus

lbert <alic99@...>
 

Thanks to Jack R. Braverman for the interesting question.
I completely agree with Larry Gaom with geographical definition for Litvaks.
In the mentioned context, I think, mind special character of Litvaks.
Briefly, Litvaks are assiduous and moderate in display of the feelings.
In that Litvaks differ, for example, >from the Ukrainian Jews.

Albert Kaganovich,
PhD of Hebrew University


Re: Litvaks & Grodno #belarus

les evenchick
 

Jack wrote:
One of the family stories passed down was that
a certain family living in
Grodno >from before 1860 past 1900 _always_
insisted that they were Litvaks.

Of course they were Litvaks.

My father was born in Koidanov near Minsk and
always referred to himself as a Litvak.

It was common when I was young to hear the adults
talk of Litvaks and Galizaners(Jews >from Galicia)

Apparently their was a major cultural difference
between Jews >from the 2 different regions but I
don't remember what they were.

Keep in mind that our Litvak ancestors lived
under Lithuanian rule much longer and much freer
than under Polish and Russian rule.

Perhaps some historians among us can give a more
detailed history.

Les Evenchick
New Orleans

Searching: EVENCHICK,EVENCHIK,CHERCHES,HELLER all
from KOIDANOV(Kurdanov,Kaidanov)
Searching:PASTERNAK >from ODESSA(Odesa)


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Litvaks & Grodno #belarus

les evenchick
 

Jack wrote:
One of the family stories passed down was that
a certain family living in
Grodno >from before 1860 past 1900 _always_
insisted that they were Litvaks.

Of course they were Litvaks.

My father was born in Koidanov near Minsk and
always referred to himself as a Litvak.

It was common when I was young to hear the adults
talk of Litvaks and Galizaners(Jews >from Galicia)

Apparently their was a major cultural difference
between Jews >from the 2 different regions but I
don't remember what they were.

Keep in mind that our Litvak ancestors lived
under Lithuanian rule much longer and much freer
than under Polish and Russian rule.

Perhaps some historians among us can give a more
detailed history.

Les Evenchick
New Orleans

Searching: EVENCHICK,EVENCHIK,CHERCHES,HELLER all
from KOIDANOV(Kurdanov,Kaidanov)
Searching:PASTERNAK >from ODESSA(Odesa)


Hamburg Database update success #belarus

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

Thanks to Gary Mokotoff's heads-up in "Nu? What's New?" on the updated
Hamburg Emigration database, I tried again.
A major success was scored.

We've been looking for Samuel and Anna (ESTRIN) TALALAY of Mogilev, Belarus
for at least five years. Nothing shows. We know they followed, about 1901-2,
Samuel's two brothers to England, the brothers went on to America and
disappeared.
Anna was sick and they stayed in the UK for a year, then went to Berlin, she
died, he remarried and they and their children went to pre-state Israel in
1933. We found Samuel's 1948 burial record in Israel, but with no father's
name or any other clues.

We know they are definitely TALALAY of Mogilev (only one family), but no way
to plug them into a "real" spot on our chart.

Last night, I checked Hamburg again, and using TAL with % wildcard, up
popped TALOLOG Anna and Schmul. Now I've ordered the records, and we hope
some additional clues may emerge.

The happy results showed the couple as going to Leeds UK, a new one for us.
I am wondering now, if there were ESTRIN relatives in Leeds; we have no
indication of any TALALAY in Leeds. Any Leeds experts out there?

And for those who also have interesting names: Variations on the name in the
Hamburg database include TALELEL, TALLALEI, TALLALLE, TALLELSY, TOLALEY,
TULEJA, TULLILA.
I also looked under TOL%, TUL%, TIL%, TEL% to make sure I caught some of the
more esoteric known variants of TALALAY.

And my ggm Riwe, great-uncle Leib (here Leo) and gm Chaje also popped up on
the Hamburg update, on their 1905 journey.

Good luck.

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net


Belarus SIG #Belarus Hamburg Database update success #belarus

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

Thanks to Gary Mokotoff's heads-up in "Nu? What's New?" on the updated
Hamburg Emigration database, I tried again.
A major success was scored.

We've been looking for Samuel and Anna (ESTRIN) TALALAY of Mogilev, Belarus
for at least five years. Nothing shows. We know they followed, about 1901-2,
Samuel's two brothers to England, the brothers went on to America and
disappeared.
Anna was sick and they stayed in the UK for a year, then went to Berlin, she
died, he remarried and they and their children went to pre-state Israel in
1933. We found Samuel's 1948 burial record in Israel, but with no father's
name or any other clues.

We know they are definitely TALALAY of Mogilev (only one family), but no way
to plug them into a "real" spot on our chart.

Last night, I checked Hamburg again, and using TAL with % wildcard, up
popped TALOLOG Anna and Schmul. Now I've ordered the records, and we hope
some additional clues may emerge.

The happy results showed the couple as going to Leeds UK, a new one for us.
I am wondering now, if there were ESTRIN relatives in Leeds; we have no
indication of any TALALAY in Leeds. Any Leeds experts out there?

And for those who also have interesting names: Variations on the name in the
Hamburg database include TALELEL, TALLALEI, TALLALLE, TALLELSY, TOLALEY,
TULEJA, TULLILA.
I also looked under TOL%, TUL%, TIL%, TEL% to make sure I caught some of the
more esoteric known variants of TALALAY.

And my ggm Riwe, great-uncle Leib (here Leo) and gm Chaje also popped up on
the Hamburg update, on their 1905 journey.

Good luck.

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net


Slome, Levin, or Gundersheimer #general

Nancy Slome <nancy.s@...>
 

I have hit some roadblocks (again) in the search for my great-grandfather, ?
SLOMOWITZ >from Russia, arriving in America about 1890 with his wife ?, and
daughter Minnie. They settled in Trenton and later moved to Philadelphia.
There is a Samuel Slomovich listed in the 1900 Trenton New Jersey City
Directory that may be a match, as I heard ggf was had a store, later on...

Great-grandfather's children were Nathan SLOME (my grandfather), Harry
Slome, Robert Slome, and Minnie (Slome) LEVIN.

I'm now looking for any information on Minnie (Slome) Levin, married to
Herman Levin; their children -- Saul, Charlotte and Renee (Slome)
GUNDERSHEIMER. Perhaps this side of the family (whom I've never met) may
have some helpful info!

Have tried the usual resources -- this site, NYC Archives for records,
Trenton cemeteries, but without proper spelling, it's been quite difficult.
Open to all suggestions.

Please respond privately.


Thanks,
Nancy Slome

New York, NY

nancy.s@1to1interactive.net

SLOME/SLOMOVITZ (and spelling variations)/?,Russia to NYC around 1890, then
Trenton, Phila, and Cleveland
TRATTNER and FREIREICH/Austria, Hungary to York, PA
SEFF/Spocinc, Lithuania to Omaha, NE
BRODKEY/BEZBORODKO/Slutzk, Belarus to Omaha, NE
SHERMAN/Moskova, Russia to Souix City, IA
ELLMAN, RABINOVITZ/Odessa to Chicago


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Slome, Levin, or Gundersheimer #general

Nancy Slome <nancy.s@...>
 

I have hit some roadblocks (again) in the search for my great-grandfather, ?
SLOMOWITZ >from Russia, arriving in America about 1890 with his wife ?, and
daughter Minnie. They settled in Trenton and later moved to Philadelphia.
There is a Samuel Slomovich listed in the 1900 Trenton New Jersey City
Directory that may be a match, as I heard ggf was had a store, later on...

Great-grandfather's children were Nathan SLOME (my grandfather), Harry
Slome, Robert Slome, and Minnie (Slome) LEVIN.

I'm now looking for any information on Minnie (Slome) Levin, married to
Herman Levin; their children -- Saul, Charlotte and Renee (Slome)
GUNDERSHEIMER. Perhaps this side of the family (whom I've never met) may
have some helpful info!

Have tried the usual resources -- this site, NYC Archives for records,
Trenton cemeteries, but without proper spelling, it's been quite difficult.
Open to all suggestions.

Please respond privately.


Thanks,
Nancy Slome

New York, NY

nancy.s@1to1interactive.net

SLOME/SLOMOVITZ (and spelling variations)/?,Russia to NYC around 1890, then
Trenton, Phila, and Cleveland
TRATTNER and FREIREICH/Austria, Hungary to York, PA
SEFF/Spocinc, Lithuania to Omaha, NE
BRODKEY/BEZBORODKO/Slutzk, Belarus to Omaha, NE
SHERMAN/Moskova, Russia to Souix City, IA
ELLMAN, RABINOVITZ/Odessa to Chicago


1858 Vilna District Revision Lists #general

Joel Ratner
 

Revision Lists for the year 1858 are available for the following towns:

Antokol, Boguslaviskis, Ciobiskis, Gedrovitz, Gelvan, Mikhalishok, Moletai,
Musnik, Nemencine, Novygorod, Shirvint, Snipishok, Vilna

To date, our group has purchased the entire 1858 Vilna city RL [for which
the translation is now 70% complete] and is working on raising money for
the Moletai records. We have the Moletai 1834, 1850, 1851-57 Additional RLs
and the 1858 RL as well. These are in line for translation and we are seeking
earlier records as well.

Anyone interested in learning how to become eligible to receive translations
of these Revision Lists should contact me at Joelrat1@hotmail.com.


Joel Ratner
Coordinator, Vilna District Research Group


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 1858 Vilna District Revision Lists #general

Joel Ratner
 

Revision Lists for the year 1858 are available for the following towns:

Antokol, Boguslaviskis, Ciobiskis, Gedrovitz, Gelvan, Mikhalishok, Moletai,
Musnik, Nemencine, Novygorod, Shirvint, Snipishok, Vilna

To date, our group has purchased the entire 1858 Vilna city RL [for which
the translation is now 70% complete] and is working on raising money for
the Moletai records. We have the Moletai 1834, 1850, 1851-57 Additional RLs
and the 1858 RL as well. These are in line for translation and we are seeking
earlier records as well.

Anyone interested in learning how to become eligible to receive translations
of these Revision Lists should contact me at Joelrat1@hotmail.com.


Joel Ratner
Coordinator, Vilna District Research Group