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Re: ViewMate translation request #hungary

Raphael Thurm
 

Hello,

I've posted three vital records on ViewMate and I need translations for them.

Death record for Josef TOREM, in Russian:
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71239

Marriage record of Necha TOREM and Moshe GLICK in Polish:
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=70827

Marriage record of Matla TOREM and Nojech LUSTYKMAN in Russian:
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71240

I would be very grateful if anyone can please help me out with this.

Many thanks,
Raphael Thurm


JRI Poland #Poland re: ViewMate translation request #poland

Raphael Thurm
 

Hello,

I've posted three vital records on ViewMate and I need translations for them.

Death record for Josef TOREM, in Russian:
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71239

Marriage record of Necha TOREM and Moshe GLICK in Polish:
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=70827

Marriage record of Matla TOREM and Nojech LUSTYKMAN in Russian:
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71240

I would be very grateful if anyone can please help me out with this.

Many thanks,
Raphael Thurm


Of Testimonies and Brick Walls and JewishGen Success stories #general

J G
 

Hello All.

I have found over the years reaching out to this community to solve the most
obscure puzzles, more often than not, there is someone who has a special
knowledge and rises to solve the unsolvable problem. So, I am now reaching
out as many have before me.

A person contacted me because of my interest in the town of Subacius Lithuania
vis a vis Jewish Gen. They had reached their own brick wall in their family
research.

I had been far "luckier" in so far as there have been records for my family
branch taking my journey back to the late 1700s in Lithuania. I say lucky
because as many of you Litvak researchers know, Lithuanian records can be
sparse just at the moment when you need them most.

After some weeks we determined we might be just one generation away >from
linking her family to mine, i.e. our common branch.

I proposed she take a DNA test. So she did and the results indicated we were
indeed related to the degree where we thought our common link might be. Her
two brothers then took the test.

Her father was born in Subacius Lithuania in 1911. In that same year his
father passed away. The story goes, he had gone to America hoping to
eventually bring the rest of the family over, but he fell ill and died. There
is no found record for him yet in the United States.

After the outbreak of the first world war the family was expelled >from
Lithuania and did not return until the early 1920's and when Lithuania became
a sovereign state. Through passport records that still exist, we learned her
father with his mother's help and witnesses >from their town had to appeal for
and prove his citizenship. He was eventually successful and received his
internal passport papers.

In 1939 Lithuania lost its short lived sovereignty, becoming a vassal state
under the Soviet Union vis a vis the signing of the Hitler-Stalin pact. By
the summer of 1941, German forces arrived in Lithuania and her father was
forced into the Kowno Ghetto with his wife and young daughter. They had
married in 1935. (There is a record for that) (There is no record yet found
for the birth of the daughter). Through all of the horror that was the Kowno
Ghetto, they survived.

In the summer of 1944 her father was placed on a transport with his wife and
now 8/9 year old daughter. The transport stopped at KZ-Stutthof where his
wife, and we presume also his daughter, were detained along with 280 other
Jews >from Kowno. After Stutthof, her father was transported to Dachau and
specifically the sub camp Kaufering I. In the summer of 1945, her father was
free again. Approximately one month after her arrival at Stuffhof, his wife
was sent to Auschwitz, where thus far, there is no record of her there. At
this moment we presume she went straight to her death upon arrival. Of the
daughter, still no record.

While recovering at the DP Hospital in the St. Otillien monastery near
Landsberg am Lech, Germany, her father met his second wife, also a survivor
of Dachau, originally >from Poland. They had their first child who died a
few days after birth and is buried at St. Otillien. They then had a second
child, a boy. Though their first choice was to go to Palestine, they were,
in 1949, resettled in Australia. After resettlement they had two more
children, a girl and a boy. It is the girl who has become my correspondent
in this story vis a vis Jewish gen and our common town Subacious.

So, for the lack of a record, she and her brothers take a DNA test. Her
results come back first indicating we are indeed cousins of a kind.
Strangely though, we share as a common cluster, DNA relationships with some
of my "other" cousins >from another family branch (also originally Lithuanian)
and also with a dear friend of hers >from childhood in Australia. Her dear
friend's father, also resettled after the war, lived with her parents for a
time, then went to Israel where he married and then returned to Australia.
The results for her brothers come back and they show she is the half sibling
of one, her brother born as she was in Australia, and between the two of them
show they are not related to their older brother, the one born in Germany at
St. Otillien.

In recent years there was a ceremony held at St. Otillien celebrating the
many babies born there to Jewish parents after the war. When the first Jewish
baby was born it is said that Jewish American soldiers came to the bris and
wept over both the sadness and the joy. 100's of Jewish babies were born at
St. Otillien, so much life coming after so much death. On this occasion, the
son of a good family friend who was also born at St. Otillien, invited the
oldest brother in this family to go with him to attend this ceremony. Their
expenses were paid by St. Otillien such was the importance of the occasion.
There is a picture of her father and this family friend taken at St. Otillien.
The friend has a remarkable resemblance to her older brother. She doesn't
see it, but somehow I do.

You can imagine quite easily the difficulties these results have created. I
theorize that some time between her father's time in the Kowno Ghetto and
his eventual release >from the work camps at Dachau, he became sterile. He
met his wife at the displaced persons camp and a very special place called
St. Otillien where weekly a new birth was celebrated in a long list of
births numbering well over 400 Jewish babies after the horrors suffered by
their parents during the Shoah. My theory is, her father and mother wanted
a family and willingly sought a surrogate, first at St. Otillien and then
again in Australia. Making such a thing public today would not be unusual,
but in the late 1940's and early 1950's, one can only guess how unusual that
might have been. More DNA tests are being performed.

However, the one fact that needs the most finding is: some proof, her father
was made sterile either by the Nazi's or in some other way. I have found
over the years now that I became a Genealogy researcher, there is always the
general story, like the story of the Shoah in all of its chapters and
versions, but it is not until one digs down into an archive with a tweezer
that the real story emerges in the way of pulling a needle >from a haystack.
So, perhaps there is at least one person on this email list who has
encountered an archive as yet not discovered by me, that will have that
needle to answer this question regarding my cousin's father's sterility,
and for that family, bring them peace regarding this question. They will
never lose the true family they had or their growing up with the parents
who parented them, but there is now something missing for them, and maybe
this is the thing that can make them whole as well as do service to the
heroic couple they knew as mom and dad. So, if **you** are out there and
can help with this brick wall of mine, please then reach out to me. I
will be grateful, as will they, for the help.

Regards

Joe Glass

MODERATOR NOTE: This story brings up many questions about evaluating DNA results.
Please keep discussion on this discussion group to other types of genealogical
records. For further discussion of DNA testing, please carry on at the DNA
testing list.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Of Testimonies and Brick Walls and JewishGen Success stories #general

J G
 

Hello All.

I have found over the years reaching out to this community to solve the most
obscure puzzles, more often than not, there is someone who has a special
knowledge and rises to solve the unsolvable problem. So, I am now reaching
out as many have before me.

A person contacted me because of my interest in the town of Subacius Lithuania
vis a vis Jewish Gen. They had reached their own brick wall in their family
research.

I had been far "luckier" in so far as there have been records for my family
branch taking my journey back to the late 1700s in Lithuania. I say lucky
because as many of you Litvak researchers know, Lithuanian records can be
sparse just at the moment when you need them most.

After some weeks we determined we might be just one generation away >from
linking her family to mine, i.e. our common branch.

I proposed she take a DNA test. So she did and the results indicated we were
indeed related to the degree where we thought our common link might be. Her
two brothers then took the test.

Her father was born in Subacius Lithuania in 1911. In that same year his
father passed away. The story goes, he had gone to America hoping to
eventually bring the rest of the family over, but he fell ill and died. There
is no found record for him yet in the United States.

After the outbreak of the first world war the family was expelled >from
Lithuania and did not return until the early 1920's and when Lithuania became
a sovereign state. Through passport records that still exist, we learned her
father with his mother's help and witnesses >from their town had to appeal for
and prove his citizenship. He was eventually successful and received his
internal passport papers.

In 1939 Lithuania lost its short lived sovereignty, becoming a vassal state
under the Soviet Union vis a vis the signing of the Hitler-Stalin pact. By
the summer of 1941, German forces arrived in Lithuania and her father was
forced into the Kowno Ghetto with his wife and young daughter. They had
married in 1935. (There is a record for that) (There is no record yet found
for the birth of the daughter). Through all of the horror that was the Kowno
Ghetto, they survived.

In the summer of 1944 her father was placed on a transport with his wife and
now 8/9 year old daughter. The transport stopped at KZ-Stutthof where his
wife, and we presume also his daughter, were detained along with 280 other
Jews >from Kowno. After Stutthof, her father was transported to Dachau and
specifically the sub camp Kaufering I. In the summer of 1945, her father was
free again. Approximately one month after her arrival at Stuffhof, his wife
was sent to Auschwitz, where thus far, there is no record of her there. At
this moment we presume she went straight to her death upon arrival. Of the
daughter, still no record.

While recovering at the DP Hospital in the St. Otillien monastery near
Landsberg am Lech, Germany, her father met his second wife, also a survivor
of Dachau, originally >from Poland. They had their first child who died a
few days after birth and is buried at St. Otillien. They then had a second
child, a boy. Though their first choice was to go to Palestine, they were,
in 1949, resettled in Australia. After resettlement they had two more
children, a girl and a boy. It is the girl who has become my correspondent
in this story vis a vis Jewish gen and our common town Subacious.

So, for the lack of a record, she and her brothers take a DNA test. Her
results come back first indicating we are indeed cousins of a kind.
Strangely though, we share as a common cluster, DNA relationships with some
of my "other" cousins >from another family branch (also originally Lithuanian)
and also with a dear friend of hers >from childhood in Australia. Her dear
friend's father, also resettled after the war, lived with her parents for a
time, then went to Israel where he married and then returned to Australia.
The results for her brothers come back and they show she is the half sibling
of one, her brother born as she was in Australia, and between the two of them
show they are not related to their older brother, the one born in Germany at
St. Otillien.

In recent years there was a ceremony held at St. Otillien celebrating the
many babies born there to Jewish parents after the war. When the first Jewish
baby was born it is said that Jewish American soldiers came to the bris and
wept over both the sadness and the joy. 100's of Jewish babies were born at
St. Otillien, so much life coming after so much death. On this occasion, the
son of a good family friend who was also born at St. Otillien, invited the
oldest brother in this family to go with him to attend this ceremony. Their
expenses were paid by St. Otillien such was the importance of the occasion.
There is a picture of her father and this family friend taken at St. Otillien.
The friend has a remarkable resemblance to her older brother. She doesn't
see it, but somehow I do.

You can imagine quite easily the difficulties these results have created. I
theorize that some time between her father's time in the Kowno Ghetto and
his eventual release >from the work camps at Dachau, he became sterile. He
met his wife at the displaced persons camp and a very special place called
St. Otillien where weekly a new birth was celebrated in a long list of
births numbering well over 400 Jewish babies after the horrors suffered by
their parents during the Shoah. My theory is, her father and mother wanted
a family and willingly sought a surrogate, first at St. Otillien and then
again in Australia. Making such a thing public today would not be unusual,
but in the late 1940's and early 1950's, one can only guess how unusual that
might have been. More DNA tests are being performed.

However, the one fact that needs the most finding is: some proof, her father
was made sterile either by the Nazi's or in some other way. I have found
over the years now that I became a Genealogy researcher, there is always the
general story, like the story of the Shoah in all of its chapters and
versions, but it is not until one digs down into an archive with a tweezer
that the real story emerges in the way of pulling a needle >from a haystack.
So, perhaps there is at least one person on this email list who has
encountered an archive as yet not discovered by me, that will have that
needle to answer this question regarding my cousin's father's sterility,
and for that family, bring them peace regarding this question. They will
never lose the true family they had or their growing up with the parents
who parented them, but there is now something missing for them, and maybe
this is the thing that can make them whole as well as do service to the
heroic couple they knew as mom and dad. So, if **you** are out there and
can help with this brick wall of mine, please then reach out to me. I
will be grateful, as will they, for the help.

Regards

Joe Glass

MODERATOR NOTE: This story brings up many questions about evaluating DNA results.
Please keep discussion on this discussion group to other types of genealogical
records. For further discussion of DNA testing, please carry on at the DNA
testing list.


ViewMate translation requests - Polish #poland

Steven A. Zedeck <steven@...>
 

Hi,

I've posted two vital records in Polish for which I'd like a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following addresses:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71249
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71248

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thanks in advance,
Steven Zedeck


JRI Poland #Poland ViewMate translation requests - Polish #poland

Steven A. Zedeck <steven@...>
 

Hi,

I've posted two vital records in Polish for which I'd like a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following addresses:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71249
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71248

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thanks in advance,
Steven Zedeck


Re: Aliyah to Israel in the 1920s #general

Rose Feldman
 

The first place is to look in the IGRA collection - Israel Genealogy Research
Association collection.

We work with various archives around the country. We have the 1922 census for
Tel Aviv and Petach Tikva. We have voters lists through out the British Mandate
Period. We have some lists of those making aliyah.

Registration is free and allows you to search. I suggest searching in English as
that gives you a phonetic search. If you want the details and to download scans
if they are available you will have to become a member.

Good luck,

Rose Feldman
Israel Genealogy Research Association
Winner of 2017 IAJGS Award for Volunteer of the Year
http://genealogy.org.il
http:/facebook.com/israelgenealogy


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Aliyah to Israel in the 1920s #general

Rose Feldman
 

The first place is to look in the IGRA collection - Israel Genealogy Research
Association collection.

We work with various archives around the country. We have the 1922 census for
Tel Aviv and Petach Tikva. We have voters lists through out the British Mandate
Period. We have some lists of those making aliyah.

Registration is free and allows you to search. I suggest searching in English as
that gives you a phonetic search. If you want the details and to download scans
if they are available you will have to become a member.

Good luck,

Rose Feldman
Israel Genealogy Research Association
Winner of 2017 IAJGS Award for Volunteer of the Year
http://genealogy.org.il
http:/facebook.com/israelgenealogy


Re: Aliyah to Israel in the 1920's #general

Carol Hoffman
 

Dear Yehuda,

Start with searching the AID All Israel Database. It included over one
million lines of records including many immigration files. The database is
searchable in English and Hebrew. Go to the Israel Genealogy Research
Association https://genealogy.org.il/ IGRA register for the site (it's
free) and then start using the database.

Carol Hoffman
Tel Aviv


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Aliyah to Israel in the 1920's #general

Carol Hoffman
 

Dear Yehuda,

Start with searching the AID All Israel Database. It included over one
million lines of records including many immigration files. The database is
searchable in English and Hebrew. Go to the Israel Genealogy Research
Association https://genealogy.org.il/ IGRA register for the site (it's
free) and then start using the database.

Carol Hoffman
Tel Aviv


Chicago late 1940's info - death record? #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley
 

If you got in a car accident in middle to late 40's in Chicago and were pregnant
and lost the baby. Where would the records be or not be recorded? The person was
not married. What happened in those days? Of course it would deepened how far
along you the person would be.

Maybe death record of a child of Jackie Levine daughter of Sam. Thanks for the
help.

Gayle Riley of San Gabriel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Chicago late 1940's info - death record? #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley
 

If you got in a car accident in middle to late 40's in Chicago and were pregnant
and lost the baby. Where would the records be or not be recorded? The person was
not married. What happened in those days? Of course it would deepened how far
along you the person would be.

Maybe death record of a child of Jackie Levine daughter of Sam. Thanks for the
help.

Gayle Riley of San Gabriel


Re: WWI Military Records #hungary

ericalishahn@...
 

I recently wrote to an Austrian genealogist with a specialty in the military archives, Johann Hammer, about attempting to locate the WW I military service record of my grandfather who was >from Szabadka Hungary (now Serbia.) I had heard all of the records were in the Austrian military Archives in Vienna. The genealogist wrote back.This is his response. Â
The Austrian War Archives hold personnel files only for soldiers who are born after 1865 in the territory of present-day Austria.
Files of soldiers born after 1865 outside the territory of present-day Austria remained in the successor states of the Monarchy. Unfortunately, most of those files were destroyed after WWI.

EErica Hahn

On Wednesday, January 16, 2019, 11:10:24 AM PST, Rivka Horowitz horowitzrs@... <h-sig@...> wrote:





To H-SIG members:
I am requesting help and resources that might help me uncover details
of my great-uncle's military service during WWI. I have no idea where
in the Austro-Hungarian Empire he may have served, but I know he was
living in Fiume (Rijeka) at the time of his conscription and served in
the army >from 1914-1919. I have been told by other family members that
he died in 1922 of wounds originally sustained in the war. I was
wondering if Austro-Hungarian military records >from that time and
place are available to researchers and if there may be hospital
records that were kept >from that period.

Thank you.
Rivka Horowitz
Connecticut, US

PS Many thanks to Traude Triebel for getting me started with www.genteam.at


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: WWI Military Records #hungary

ericalishahn@...
 

I recently wrote to an Austrian genealogist with a specialty in the military archives, Johann Hammer, about attempting to locate the WW I military service record of my grandfather who was >from Szabadka Hungary (now Serbia.) I had heard all of the records were in the Austrian military Archives in Vienna. The genealogist wrote back.This is his response. Â
The Austrian War Archives hold personnel files only for soldiers who are born after 1865 in the territory of present-day Austria.
Files of soldiers born after 1865 outside the territory of present-day Austria remained in the successor states of the Monarchy. Unfortunately, most of those files were destroyed after WWI.

EErica Hahn

On Wednesday, January 16, 2019, 11:10:24 AM PST, Rivka Horowitz horowitzrs@... <h-sig@...> wrote:





To H-SIG members:
I am requesting help and resources that might help me uncover details
of my great-uncle's military service during WWI. I have no idea where
in the Austro-Hungarian Empire he may have served, but I know he was
living in Fiume (Rijeka) at the time of his conscription and served in
the army >from 1914-1919. I have been told by other family members that
he died in 1922 of wounds originally sustained in the war. I was
wondering if Austro-Hungarian military records >from that time and
place are available to researchers and if there may be hospital
records that were kept >from that period.

Thank you.
Rivka Horowitz
Connecticut, US

PS Many thanks to Traude Triebel for getting me started with www.genteam.at


Looking for volunteers to Index books for Yizkor Books In Print Project #yizkorbooks

Joel Alpert
 

If you can index files in MS Word, please help us with indexing of
newly translated books for the Yizkor Books In Print Project. This is
a JewishGen project.

We would really appreciate the help,

Please email to YBIP@...

Joel Alpert, Coordinator of the Yizkor Books in Print Project


Yizkor Books #YizkorBooks Looking for volunteers to Index books for Yizkor Books In Print Project #yizkorbooks

Joel Alpert
 

If you can index files in MS Word, please help us with indexing of
newly translated books for the Yizkor Books In Print Project. This is
a JewishGen project.

We would really appreciate the help,

Please email to YBIP@...

Joel Alpert, Coordinator of the Yizkor Books in Print Project


Re Need help to find the book: "Juden in Bedburg an der Erft" #germany

Peter Lobbenberg
 

It would be worth your contacting the Bedburg local history society
(Geschichtsverein)

Geschichtsverein Bedburg
Eichenweg 7
50181 Bedburg

to ask if they are able to put you in touch with the author, Gerd Friedt
(born 1945 according to Google), or if they know where a copy of the
book can be sourced (just possibly in a local bookshop?).

GF has also written or co-written a number of books on other Jewish
communities and cemeteries in the area https://tinyurl.com/yaxaykm2.
In case of need you could consider approaching one of the relevant
sister societies, such as that in Bergheim -
www.bergheimer-geschichtsverein.de/

Peter Lobbenberg, London, peterlob@...

Steven Marc Jaron sjaron@... asked for help obtaining a copy of a Jew=
ish Community History book.
"Juden in Bedburg an der Erft" by Gerd Friedt.


German SIG #Germany Re Need help to find the book: "Juden in Bedburg an der Erft" #germany

Peter Lobbenberg
 

It would be worth your contacting the Bedburg local history society
(Geschichtsverein)

Geschichtsverein Bedburg
Eichenweg 7
50181 Bedburg

to ask if they are able to put you in touch with the author, Gerd Friedt
(born 1945 according to Google), or if they know where a copy of the
book can be sourced (just possibly in a local bookshop?).

GF has also written or co-written a number of books on other Jewish
communities and cemeteries in the area https://tinyurl.com/yaxaykm2.
In case of need you could consider approaching one of the relevant
sister societies, such as that in Bergheim -
www.bergheimer-geschichtsverein.de/

Peter Lobbenberg, London, peterlob@...

Steven Marc Jaron sjaron@... asked for help obtaining a copy of a Jew=
ish Community History book.
"Juden in Bedburg an der Erft" by Gerd Friedt.


ViewMate translation request #general

Raphael Thurm
 

Hello,

I've posted three vital records on ViewMate and I need translations for them.

Death record for Josef TOREM, in Russian:
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71239

Marriage record of Necha TOREM and Moshe GLICK in Polish:
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=70827

Marriage record of Matla TOREM and Nojech LUSTYKMAN in Russian:
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71240

I would be very grateful if anyone can please help me out with this.

Many thanks,
Raphael Thurm

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond either on the form within ViewMate or via email
directly to Raphael.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate translation request #general

Raphael Thurm
 

Hello,

I've posted three vital records on ViewMate and I need translations for them.

Death record for Josef TOREM, in Russian:
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71239

Marriage record of Necha TOREM and Moshe GLICK in Polish:
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=70827

Marriage record of Matla TOREM and Nojech LUSTYKMAN in Russian:
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71240

I would be very grateful if anyone can please help me out with this.

Many thanks,
Raphael Thurm

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond either on the form within ViewMate or via email
directly to Raphael.