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Oradea Nagy Arad censuses during WWII #subcarpathia

elran.dvir@...
 

Hello all,
As can be seen here:
https://www.yadvashem.org/yv/he/research/ghettos_encyclopedia/ghetto_details.asp?cid=635
(alternate link: https://tinyurl.com/yywtv2vr )
(the page is in Hebrew), there were two censuses in Oradea: on 1941 and on 1944.
Does anyone know if these censuses data can be accessed online or otherwise?
If so, how and where?

Thanks.


Subcarpathia SIG #Subcarpathia Oradea Nagy Arad censuses during WWII #subcarpathia

elran.dvir@...
 

Hello all,
As can be seen here:
https://www.yadvashem.org/yv/he/research/ghettos_encyclopedia/ghetto_details.asp?cid=635
(alternate link: https://tinyurl.com/yywtv2vr )
(the page is in Hebrew), there were two censuses in Oradea: on 1941 and on 1944.
Does anyone know if these censuses data can be accessed online or otherwise?
If so, how and where?

Thanks.


Re: this new group

Chuck Weinstein
 

Sally,
This is the upcoming replacement for the JewishGen Discussion Groups. It has nothing to do with Facebook. 

Chuck Weinstein 


On Jul 27, 2019, at 2:13 PM, Sally Bruckheimer via Groups.Io <sallybruc@...> wrote:

Is this a Facebook product? Is Jewishgen intending to use Facebook?

I doubt I'll get an answer,

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


Re: Logging in / replying

Hank Mishkoff
 

This is my first post here. I'm replying to a digest, and I have not logged in. Having said that: It knows who I am (my "from" address was automatically filled in), so perhaps I'm still logged in from the last session?


Svencionys BOF #belarus

Rhoda Miller
 

If you are attending the IAJGS Conference in Cleveland next week, I
look forward to seeing you at the annual Svencionys District BOF
meeting:
Wednesday, July 31 3:15 PM - 4:30 PM, Veterans C

The towns in the Svencionys District are:
Adutiskis
Ignalina
Kaltanenai
Kamelishki (Belarus)
Kobyiniki (Naroch, Bel.)
Komai (Belarus)
Linkmenys
Lyntupy (Belarus)
Mielagenai
Naujasis Daugeliskis
Pabrade
Smalvos
Stajetiske
Svencioneliai
Svencionys
Svir (Belarus)
Zhodzishki (Belarus) and nearby villages.

Rhoda Miller, Ed.D., CG
Svencionys District Coordinator
Litvak SIG


Belarus SIG #Belarus Svencionys BOF #belarus

Rhoda Miller
 

If you are attending the IAJGS Conference in Cleveland next week, I
look forward to seeing you at the annual Svencionys District BOF
meeting:
Wednesday, July 31 3:15 PM - 4:30 PM, Veterans C

The towns in the Svencionys District are:
Adutiskis
Ignalina
Kaltanenai
Kamelishki (Belarus)
Kobyiniki (Naroch, Bel.)
Komai (Belarus)
Linkmenys
Lyntupy (Belarus)
Mielagenai
Naujasis Daugeliskis
Pabrade
Smalvos
Stajetiske
Svencioneliai
Svencionys
Svir (Belarus)
Zhodzishki (Belarus) and nearby villages.

Rhoda Miller, Ed.D., CG
Svencionys District Coordinator
Litvak SIG


Romanian events at the IAJGS Conference #romania

Barbara Hershey <barbara.hershey@...>
 

Time is almost here for the IAJGS Conference in Cleveland. I'd like to
point out a few sessions of interest to those with Romanian ancestry. The
JewishGen Romania SIG will have some events at the IAJGS conference that I
hope will interest you.

SHARE Fair Sunday >from 11:30-2:30 in Hope A B and C: Please stop by to say
hello and to have the opportunity to speak with members of the SIG leadership
team to learn more about what the SIG offers to genealogists. We welcome
your questions and participation.

ROM Sig Meeting >from 3:15-4:30 on Monday in Center Street C. Michael
Moritz will speak about the major Iasi project underway and his experiences
to date. There will be ample opportunity for questions, comments and
opportunities to let us know of your research interests. We will offer
several volunteer opportunities and will speak of the status of our other
projects.

A second meeting, listed as the Jewishgen ROM Sig Board Meeting is really not
a board meeting (we don't have a Board) but an opportunity for follow-up
to any items >from the first meeting, to continue discussion and meet people
who were unable to make the first meeting. That is scheduled on Tuesday at
1:45 in room Center Street B.

On Thursday, at 4:45 in Center Street D, Teven Laxer has a program re
witnesses to the Shoah Highlight Search for Family in Three Countries that
includes his experiences in Romania doing personal research and encountering
eyewitnesses to the events relevant to his history. While not specifically
a Romanian discussion, he anticipates that it would be of great interest to
those researching Romania.

You are also invited to work on KehilaLinks pages commemorating your family's
Jewish communities. Their history and way of life should be recorded,
preserved and memorialized for future generations. The KehilaLinks BOF on
Thursday >from 1:45 in Veterans A will be time to hear >from others and to ask
questions about creating or adding to pages for your communities. Barbara
Ellman is the technical coordinator for KehilaLinks and will chair this session.
from that team, if you do not have the necessary technical skills we
have a team of dedicated volunteers who will create a webpage with the
material provided.

Welcome and enjoy the Conference!

Barbara Hershey
Co-Coordinator of the Jewishgen ROM Sig

Researching in Romania, Iasi area, HERSCOVICI, HAIMOVICI and LOWENTHAL


Romania SIG #Romania Romanian events at the IAJGS Conference #romania

Barbara Hershey <barbara.hershey@...>
 

Time is almost here for the IAJGS Conference in Cleveland. I'd like to
point out a few sessions of interest to those with Romanian ancestry. The
JewishGen Romania SIG will have some events at the IAJGS conference that I
hope will interest you.

SHARE Fair Sunday >from 11:30-2:30 in Hope A B and C: Please stop by to say
hello and to have the opportunity to speak with members of the SIG leadership
team to learn more about what the SIG offers to genealogists. We welcome
your questions and participation.

ROM Sig Meeting >from 3:15-4:30 on Monday in Center Street C. Michael
Moritz will speak about the major Iasi project underway and his experiences
to date. There will be ample opportunity for questions, comments and
opportunities to let us know of your research interests. We will offer
several volunteer opportunities and will speak of the status of our other
projects.

A second meeting, listed as the Jewishgen ROM Sig Board Meeting is really not
a board meeting (we don't have a Board) but an opportunity for follow-up
to any items >from the first meeting, to continue discussion and meet people
who were unable to make the first meeting. That is scheduled on Tuesday at
1:45 in room Center Street B.

On Thursday, at 4:45 in Center Street D, Teven Laxer has a program re
witnesses to the Shoah Highlight Search for Family in Three Countries that
includes his experiences in Romania doing personal research and encountering
eyewitnesses to the events relevant to his history. While not specifically
a Romanian discussion, he anticipates that it would be of great interest to
those researching Romania.

You are also invited to work on KehilaLinks pages commemorating your family's
Jewish communities. Their history and way of life should be recorded,
preserved and memorialized for future generations. The KehilaLinks BOF on
Thursday >from 1:45 in Veterans A will be time to hear >from others and to ask
questions about creating or adding to pages for your communities. Barbara
Ellman is the technical coordinator for KehilaLinks and will chair this session.
from that team, if you do not have the necessary technical skills we
have a team of dedicated volunteers who will create a webpage with the
material provided.

Welcome and enjoy the Conference!

Barbara Hershey
Co-Coordinator of the Jewishgen ROM Sig

Researching in Romania, Iasi area, HERSCOVICI, HAIMOVICI and LOWENTHAL


New Records on the All Galicia Database and Progress Report #galicia

Gesher Galicia SIG
 

New vital records and Jewish taxpayer records are now available for
all to search on the All Galicia Database:
https://search.geshergalicia.org

Vital records
- Stanislawow (Stanislav, Stanislau, Ivano-Frankivsk). Jewish
marriages, 1934, 1935, 1937 (611 records)
- Zborow (Zboriv). Jewish marriage banns, 1878-1920 (330 records)
- Tarnopol (Ternopil). Jewish births (index books), 1924, 1927 (593 records)

Tarnopol is the most recent town whose Jewish vital records and
censuses held in western Ukrainian archives have been completely
indexed and uploaded to the All Galicia Database. The first records
indexed >from Tarnopol were the set of death records >from the Holocaust
period, July 1941- September 1942, which were worked on in 2011 by an
independent indexing group. The last records, the transcriptions
mentioned above of two index books of births, >from 1924 and 1927, were
uploaded on July 21, 2019.

The Vital Records project in 2018-2019
In the 12-month period July 2018-July 2019, Gesher Galicia has indexed
about 33,000 vital records, >from 17 towns: Klasno-Podgorze (Wieliczka),
Lwow, Mielnica, Mikulince, Mosciska, Nowy Wisnicz, Podwoloczyska,
Radziechow, Rzeszow, Sambor, Sokolow Malopolski, Stanislawow,
Szczurowa, Tarnopol, Zbaraz, and Zborow. For the rest of the 2019 Vital
Records project, we have records to index from: Kroscienko, Mikulince,
Mosciska, Nowy Targ, Podhajce, Stanislawow, and Tartakow.

Vital records coming soon:
- Stanislawow. Jewish deaths, 1845-1863 and 1927-1931
- Podhajce. Jewish births, 1854-1881, 1884, 1886-1889


Jewish taxpayers project
- Tarnopol (Ternopil). Jewish taxpayers, 1936 (1,054 records).
We have now completed indexing six of the 10 Tarnopol-region Jewish
taxpayer files >from 1930s projected for this year's project, of which
the one for the town of Tarnopol was by far the largest set. Close to
4,500 taxpayer records have been uploaded to the database in 2019.
The remaining four files, >from Skala, Trembowla, Zbaraz, and Zloczow,
should follow soon - and possibly more.

Thanks as always to Mark Jacobson and Eddy Mitelsbach for their
continuing work on the Taxpayers project.


For more information, please contact: info@...
Please do NOT reply to this email.


Tony Kahane
Research Coordinator and Board Member, Gesher Galicia
https://www.geshergalicia.org/

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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia New Records on the All Galicia Database and Progress Report #galicia

Gesher Galicia SIG
 

New vital records and Jewish taxpayer records are now available for
all to search on the All Galicia Database:
https://search.geshergalicia.org

Vital records
- Stanislawow (Stanislav, Stanislau, Ivano-Frankivsk). Jewish
marriages, 1934, 1935, 1937 (611 records)
- Zborow (Zboriv). Jewish marriage banns, 1878-1920 (330 records)
- Tarnopol (Ternopil). Jewish births (index books), 1924, 1927 (593 records)

Tarnopol is the most recent town whose Jewish vital records and
censuses held in western Ukrainian archives have been completely
indexed and uploaded to the All Galicia Database. The first records
indexed >from Tarnopol were the set of death records >from the Holocaust
period, July 1941- September 1942, which were worked on in 2011 by an
independent indexing group. The last records, the transcriptions
mentioned above of two index books of births, >from 1924 and 1927, were
uploaded on July 21, 2019.

The Vital Records project in 2018-2019
In the 12-month period July 2018-July 2019, Gesher Galicia has indexed
about 33,000 vital records, >from 17 towns: Klasno-Podgorze (Wieliczka),
Lwow, Mielnica, Mikulince, Mosciska, Nowy Wisnicz, Podwoloczyska,
Radziechow, Rzeszow, Sambor, Sokolow Malopolski, Stanislawow,
Szczurowa, Tarnopol, Zbaraz, and Zborow. For the rest of the 2019 Vital
Records project, we have records to index from: Kroscienko, Mikulince,
Mosciska, Nowy Targ, Podhajce, Stanislawow, and Tartakow.

Vital records coming soon:
- Stanislawow. Jewish deaths, 1845-1863 and 1927-1931
- Podhajce. Jewish births, 1854-1881, 1884, 1886-1889


Jewish taxpayers project
- Tarnopol (Ternopil). Jewish taxpayers, 1936 (1,054 records).
We have now completed indexing six of the 10 Tarnopol-region Jewish
taxpayer files >from 1930s projected for this year's project, of which
the one for the town of Tarnopol was by far the largest set. Close to
4,500 taxpayer records have been uploaded to the database in 2019.
The remaining four files, >from Skala, Trembowla, Zbaraz, and Zloczow,
should follow soon - and possibly more.

Thanks as always to Mark Jacobson and Eddy Mitelsbach for their
continuing work on the Taxpayers project.


For more information, please contact: info@...
Please do NOT reply to this email.


Tony Kahane
Research Coordinator and Board Member, Gesher Galicia
https://www.geshergalicia.org/

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Connection between ENDE and EISEN Famiilies #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

There was/is a well known family in Jerusalem ENDE . An Avigdor ENDE
was already an elderly gentleman in 1960 and seems to have been an
acquaintance of my grandfather, Chaim Yitzchak ABRAMOWITZ in Jerusalem.

After my marriage I learned that Avigdor was somehow connected to my
mother-in-law's father, R' Zvi Hirsch EISEN. yet in Europe. My wife's
grandfather emmigrated to NewYork City >from Zloczow(then Poland) in the 1950s .

Is anyone aware of any connection between the ENDE and EISEN families?

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem

MODERATOR NOTE: Private responses please


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Connection between ENDE and EISEN Famiilies #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

There was/is a well known family in Jerusalem ENDE . An Avigdor ENDE
was already an elderly gentleman in 1960 and seems to have been an
acquaintance of my grandfather, Chaim Yitzchak ABRAMOWITZ in Jerusalem.

After my marriage I learned that Avigdor was somehow connected to my
mother-in-law's father, R' Zvi Hirsch EISEN. yet in Europe. My wife's
grandfather emmigrated to NewYork City >from Zloczow(then Poland) in the 1950s .

Is anyone aware of any connection between the ENDE and EISEN families?

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem

MODERATOR NOTE: Private responses please


New records on the All Galicia Database and progress report #general

Gesher Galicia SIG
 

New vital records and Jewish taxpayer records are now available for
all to search on the All Galicia Database: https://search.geshergalicia.org

Vital records
- Stanislawow (Stanislav, Stanislau, Ivano-Frankivsk). Jewish
marriages, 1934, 1935, 1937 (611 records)
- Zborow (Zboriv). Jewish marriage banns, 1878-1920 (330 records)
- Tarnopol (Ternopil). Jewish births (index books), 1924, 1927 (593 records).

Tarnopol is the most recent town whose Jewish vital records and
censuses held in western Ukrainian archives have been completely
indexed and uploaded to the All Galicia Database. The first records
indexed >from Tarnopol were the set of death records >from the Holocaust
period, July 1941- September 1942, which were worked on in 2011 by an
independent indexing group. The last records, the transcriptions
mentioned above of two index books of births, >from 1924 and 1927, were
uploaded on July 21, 2019.

The Vital Records project in 2018-2019
In the 12-month period July 2018-July 2019, Gesher Galicia has indexed
about 33,000 vital records, >from 17 towns: Klasno-Podgorze
(Wieliczka), Lwow, Mielnica, Mikulince, Mosciska, Nowy Wisnicz,
Podwoloczyska, Radziechow, Rzeszow, Sambor, Sokolow Malopolski,
Stanislawow, Szczurowa, Tarnopol, Zbaraz, and Zborow. For the rest of
the 2019 Vital Records project, we have records to index from:
Kroscienko, Mikulince, Mosciska, Nowy Targ, Podhajce, Stanislawow, and Tartakow.

Vital records coming soon:
- Stanislawow. Jewish deaths, 1845-1863 and 1927-1931
- Podhajce. Jewish births, 1854-1881, 1884, 1886-1889.

Jewish taxpayers project
- Tarnopol (Ternopil). Jewish taxpayers, 1936 (1,054 records).
We have now completed indexing six of the 10 Tarnopol-region Jewish
taxpayer files >from 1930s projected for this year's project, of which
the one for the town of Tarnopol was by far the largest set. Close to
4,500 taxpayer records have been uploaded to the database in 2019. The
remaining four files, >from Skala, Trembowla, Zbaraz, and Zloczow,
should follow soon - and possibly more.

Thanks as always to Mark Jacobson and Eddy Mitelsbach for their
continuing work on the Taxpayers project.

For more information, please contact: info@...
Please do not reply to this email.

Tony Kahane
Research Coordinator and Board Member, Gesher Galicia
https://www.geshergalicia.org/
Please do not reply to this email address.
Send all inquiries to info@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New records on the All Galicia Database and progress report #general

Gesher Galicia SIG
 

New vital records and Jewish taxpayer records are now available for
all to search on the All Galicia Database: https://search.geshergalicia.org

Vital records
- Stanislawow (Stanislav, Stanislau, Ivano-Frankivsk). Jewish
marriages, 1934, 1935, 1937 (611 records)
- Zborow (Zboriv). Jewish marriage banns, 1878-1920 (330 records)
- Tarnopol (Ternopil). Jewish births (index books), 1924, 1927 (593 records).

Tarnopol is the most recent town whose Jewish vital records and
censuses held in western Ukrainian archives have been completely
indexed and uploaded to the All Galicia Database. The first records
indexed >from Tarnopol were the set of death records >from the Holocaust
period, July 1941- September 1942, which were worked on in 2011 by an
independent indexing group. The last records, the transcriptions
mentioned above of two index books of births, >from 1924 and 1927, were
uploaded on July 21, 2019.

The Vital Records project in 2018-2019
In the 12-month period July 2018-July 2019, Gesher Galicia has indexed
about 33,000 vital records, >from 17 towns: Klasno-Podgorze
(Wieliczka), Lwow, Mielnica, Mikulince, Mosciska, Nowy Wisnicz,
Podwoloczyska, Radziechow, Rzeszow, Sambor, Sokolow Malopolski,
Stanislawow, Szczurowa, Tarnopol, Zbaraz, and Zborow. For the rest of
the 2019 Vital Records project, we have records to index from:
Kroscienko, Mikulince, Mosciska, Nowy Targ, Podhajce, Stanislawow, and Tartakow.

Vital records coming soon:
- Stanislawow. Jewish deaths, 1845-1863 and 1927-1931
- Podhajce. Jewish births, 1854-1881, 1884, 1886-1889.

Jewish taxpayers project
- Tarnopol (Ternopil). Jewish taxpayers, 1936 (1,054 records).
We have now completed indexing six of the 10 Tarnopol-region Jewish
taxpayer files >from 1930s projected for this year's project, of which
the one for the town of Tarnopol was by far the largest set. Close to
4,500 taxpayer records have been uploaded to the database in 2019. The
remaining four files, >from Skala, Trembowla, Zbaraz, and Zloczow,
should follow soon - and possibly more.

Thanks as always to Mark Jacobson and Eddy Mitelsbach for their
continuing work on the Taxpayers project.

For more information, please contact: info@...
Please do not reply to this email.

Tony Kahane
Research Coordinator and Board Member, Gesher Galicia
https://www.geshergalicia.org/
Please do not reply to this email address.
Send all inquiries to info@...


Re: this new group

Sally Bruckheimer
 

Is this a Facebook product? Is Jewishgen intending to use Facebook?

I doubt I'll get an answer,

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


Re: Trial

Rose Feldman
 

We use Slideshare (a website) for our large announcements which gives us a link for ppt.
This was the announcement of the newest release. As you can see the copy and paste leaves the sentences as they were in the announcement on the JG discussion list.

Subject: IGRA - new and updated databases on its website
From: Elena Bazes <elena@...>
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 10:32:22 +0300
X-Message-Number: 3

The Israel Genealogy Research Association (IGRA) has just released new
and updated databases on its website. There are over 1,300,000 records
available in our databases. We want to thank the participating
archives and the many volunteers who have prepared these databases.
With each release we provide a variety of records to our collection.

A preview of the databases is available at
https://www.slideshare.net/igra3/new-igra-releasesjuly-2019?fbclid=3DIwAR20=Uavk6ZaPEyR1WBlYCII_LQBFrwxYR6hITho-11XUwXAiQJ-KKQTUgrg
(MODERATOR: https://tinyurl.com/yxh88day )

New Databases

Passengers on Italian Ships Landing in Palestine 1934 - 3,250 Listings
Joint Board Members 1939 - 102 Listings
Immigrants from Romania and Hungary to Palestine 1942 - 181 Listings
Czech Jews Arrive in Italy and Sweden 1945 - 699 Listings
Surviving Jewish Children in Poland 1945 - 343 Listings
Jewish Survivors in Milan 1945 - 2,383 Listings
Polish Jews Arrived in Sweden 1945 - 564 Listings
Polish Jews Arrived in Krakow 1945 - 2,753 Listings
Surviving Polish Jews (London List) 1945 - 434 Listings
Forestry Department Employees 1946-1948 - 500 Listings

Updated Databases

Tel Aviv Census, Tel Nordau and Maccabi Neighborhoods 1928 - 3,238 Listings
Voters' List Knesset Israel, Haifa, Letters Alef-Hei, Zayin-Tet, Nun-Reish 1936 -
10,753 Listings
Telephone Directory Jerusalem Letters F-L 1963- 3,199 Listings

Please note, the IGRA databases are now searchable to all registrants.
The search results page is also available to all registrants. Additional details 
regarding most databases are available only to paid IGRA members. Certain 
exceptions exist due to requests of the specific archives.

Before viewing the databases, please register for free on the IGRA website:
http://genealogy.org.il/

To view the databases, go to https://genealogy.org.il/AID/

Elena Biegel Bazes
IGRA Publicity Chair

Rose Feldman
Israel Genealogy Research Association
Winner of 2017 IAJGS Award for Volunteer of the Year  
http://genealogy.org.il
http:/facebook.com/israelgenealogy

Help us index more records at http://igra.csindexing.com

Keep up to date on archives, databases and genealogy in general and Jewish and Israeli roots in particular with http://twitter.com/JewDataGenGirl


--
Rose Feldman
Israel Genealogy Research Association
Winner of 2017 IAJGS Award for Volunteer of the Year  
http://genealogy.org.il
http:/facebook.com/israelgenealogy


Re: Trial

Rose Feldman
 

Just some thoughts. It sometimes takes me a while to see certain applications and connections.  If attachments are blocked, then those of us who also post on facebook, and other social media will have to work twice as hard. Just like the situation where the IAJGS conf Facebook page doesn't let you share to your Facebook page. So if you want to put something up for the conference, you have to copy and paste and then sometimes edit. The same with Jan Meisel Allen's notices when we feel they are relevant to our followers. IGRA uses a variety of social media to announce both activities and database releases.  We end up being a slave to social media in order for people to know we are out there.  
Yefim asked about languages. The problem with putting something in any language besides English isn't the problem of translation but that some people won't realize it is relevant to them. We have to realize the great majority of people using this JG discussion list are native English speakers and probably on the North American continent, and if non-English speakers want to ask or reply they have to do it in English. I run into the opposite. If I share an announcement in Hebrew (doesn't matter from where, and we are in Israel where Hebrew is the official language) on our facebook page, sometimes a non-Hebrew speaker asks what is written. Well, it is a problem, because we don't have the time and energy to translate other organizations' posters. And to make some of our announcements bi-lingual is very time-consuming because the best way to handle it is a pdf file. So Yeffim, thought the system handles languages, I am not sure it is wise to write in any other language but English.

Rose Feldman
Israel Genealogy Research Association
Winner of 2017 IAJGS Award for Volunteer of the Year  
http://genealogy.org.il
http:/facebook.com/israelgenealogy

Help us index more records at http://igra.csindexing.com

Keep up to date on archives, databases and genealogy in general and Jewish and Israeli roots in particular with http://twitter.com/JewDataGenGirl


--
Rose Feldman
Israel Genealogy Research Association
Winner of 2017 IAJGS Award for Volunteer of the Year  
http://genealogy.org.il
http:/facebook.com/israelgenealogy


Re: Trial - my mistake

Gregory Meyer
 

I am subscribed to the summary and have 'normal' email settings for a typical US based Time Warner cable internet service.  No issues getting the whole daily digest.

--
Greg Meyer
210-289-3745


Attachments

Chuck Weinstein
 

A simple solution to the issue would be to have all outgoing attachments scanned by a software that can detect viruses and malware and remove it.  Seems like it would not be a big expense.

 

Chuck Weinstein


Re: Group -- the Luddite position

Lorraine Rosengarten
 

I think you make a good point and wonder how other groups deal with attachments.