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Re: Jewish Genealogical Society Meetings

Alan Greenberg
 

Who would set such a policy? The only thing uniting individual societies is the IAJGS and it does not set rules for its member societies. Each sets its own rules, presumably in accordance with its own members wishes.

Alan Greenberg
Montreal, Canada
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Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos.

On October 16, 2019 5:02:16 PM EDT, "rochel613 via Groups.Jewishgen.Org" <rochel613=yahoo.com@...> wrote:
Is there a policy, and if so, what is it, regarding the holding of Society meetings on Jewish holidays? I have noticed numerous times that meetings or activities are held either on Shabbat or lesser celebrated Jewish holidays such as the upcoming Shemini Atseret. This is disconcerting to those of us who are excluded from participating. 

Rose Elbaum 
Potomac, MD


Re: JewishGen Discussion Group Update

Robyn Dryen
 

I absolutely agree with Dick Plotz. The pretty colours and fancy fonts are simply click-bait - they have added NOTHING to the content quality. In fact, the Discussion List has degenerated into nothing more than Facebook chat.

We are seeing something that is all about "modern???" marketing techniques - if you get 100 clicks, one might sign-up and contribute. If there is a need for more paying members or for members to give more, this is not the way to achieve that end. 

For those of us who have been around long enough to recognise the stalwarts - those mavens who have both the expertise and care enough to share their knowledge - it is tragic to see their pleas dismissed. Who is going to provide the wise counsel if they unsubscribe?

Robyn Dryen
Sydney, Australia (I'm still old-fashioned enough to believe signing a post matters)


Re: JewishGen Discussion Group Update

pweinthal
 

Hi

This email browser is set to read plain-text messages - formatting, HTML code, accents, non-Roman alphabets, emojiis, etc., will not display. Numerous # marks are now popping up in many subject lines for no obvious reason.

I'm not following the new structure. Instead of a chronological list of messages received and identified by sender (which is critical information), there are 'topics' followed by URLs and then something called New Replies which don't seem to correspond to anything.

Relevancy is probably the reason people may not be joining the discussion group. Far too many posts from newbies who haven't done even the most basic research and think everything is available on-line, and a few people who post 'do-you-know' queries for every name in their tree.

Giving you time to works out the bugs,
-Pat




-----Original Message-----
From: Avraham Groll <agroll@...>
Sent: Oct 16, 2019 1:35 AM
To: main@...
Subject: [JewishGen.org] JewishGen Discussion Group Update #Help #JewishGenNews

Dear JewishGen Community,

Thank you for everyone's feedback (both positive and constructive). We want the JewishGen Discussion Group to be a place of open dialogue and for everyone's voices to be heard, and I am extremely grateful to everyone who has taken the time to share their thoughts, perspectives, and suggestions. I would like to address a few points tonight:

(1) The Process

Our sole motivation has been to address some of the challenges that we previously articulated (lack of security, plain-text requirements, no accented characters, not mobile-friendly, etc). This new platform was in response to frequent complaints that our previous system was antiquated and nearly unusable for many people.

The stats bear this out. Last year, more than 40,000 people joined JewishGen as Members. Yet nearly none of them joined the Discussion Groups. This is not a typo - nearly none. We believe this was due to the very unfriendly interface of the old system, along with many of the rules/guidelines which were woefully outdated. As such, one of our goals of 2019 was to identify a replacement and to implement it.

We tested a number of systems and eventually settled on the current platform. Our beta testing took place throughout the summer and early Fall and was performed by a group of ~150 people. The beta-testing was opened to anyone who wished to participate since the end of July.

(2) Daily Digests/Including Previous Messages

Many have expressed displeasure with the fact that they have received multiple digests per day. Let me explain: the system is set up whereby each time 12 messages are submitted, a digest is automatically distributed. We are unable to change this.

A possible solution to this will be to select the “ Daily Summary ” option. This feature will produce a once-daily list of the messages posted that day, but would not (unlike a Digest) contain the full message content. It would include just the subject lines, each being a link to the complete topic/list of messages. In this way, you will receive only one email per day.

An additional advantage: when you click on the subject(s) that are of interest, you will be able to view all messages associated with that particular topic (including all messages/replies) - thus resolving the confusion about looking at posts with no previous messages included.

(3) Reply to Sender

We have enabled a feature whereby Members (who receive either individual emails, and/or full-featured digests) can reply directly to the message sender (and not respond to the entire group). That said, we encourage group discussions, as others might value the information.

(4) Login and Member Guide

Many have asked about the login process to the new groups. This is to confirm that access to the JewishGen.org Discussion Group requires a new registration ((i.e. your JewishGen ID# will NOT work on groups.JewishGen.org). Anyone who was previously subscribed to the JewishGen.org discussion group, has been automatically assigned a password. Please enter your email at the following link, and a password link will be sent to you: https://groups.jewishgen.org/sendloginlink ( https://groups.jewishgen.org/sendloginlink ).

For additional information about this, please read through our Member Guide:

https://groups.jewishgen.org/g/main/wiki/The-New-JewishGen.org-Discussion-Group-Member-Guide ( https://groups.jewishgen.org/g/main/wiki/The-New-JewishGen.org-Discussion-Group-Member-Guide ).

(5) Next Steps

We are going to continue researching how to make this platform as great as possible. To this end, either myself or Nancy Siegel (our Communications Coordinator ) will continue to post updates on this group and via email. In addition, we will be scheduling a series of webinars after the Holiday of Sukkot is completed. During these webinars, we will demo the entire platform, and allow participants to ask questions. These sessions will be recorded and made available for viewing on our YouTube channel as well.

In the meantime, in order to allow the groups to focus on Jewish Genealogy, we kindly ask that you keep posting on this group for Jewish Genealogy or current happenings that affect Jewish genealogy or genealogical research. If you have any suggestions/ideas, etc., we kindly ask that you not use this forum, but please send it to support@.... This should also cut down significantly the number of messages that the discussion group will receive.

I thank you all for your participation, support of our important work, and for being part of the JewishGen family.

Avraham



Re: Digests vs Daily Summary

Sheldon Dan
 

I think that the fact that the new digests are sent out after 12 posts was a problem at first.  Because the Discussion Group was being relaunched, many more posts were being sent every day.  My observation was that the old daily digest usually had between 1-20 posts per day.  Now consider, say, 72 posts the first day this format was implemented.  That would mean SIX e-mails that day.  Yes, that was annoying, and I think a lot of us were overwhelmed.

Fortunately, I was able to choose between the "full" Daily Digest, which included the messages (similar to the old daily digest), and the Daily Summary, which had links to the messages.  I also understand the distinction between the two.

However, while I appreciate that 12 seems to be a number that was agreed upon as the cutoff for sending a new digest, I am thinking that, especially when traffic is heavy, this number is probably too low.  I would suggest a cutoff of 20, which would accommodate most traffic (and if there are more than 20 posts per day, maybe multiple digests are a necessary evil).

I think the trend lately is that we all are subjected to a new format, the kinks are still being worked out, and we are kvetching about multiple digests vs. a daily summary, the need for a distinctive login for the groups, etc.  Please, I urge you all--be patient with the moderators and the technical staff.  Some people want all the messages in one daily digest, even if scrolling through 50 posts would be objectionable to others.  Others want a daily summary, even if others don't like the fact that we can't see the content of the message without clicking on a link.  Maybe you should repeat to yourself, "You can't please everyone," when you see a feature you don't like.  Seriously, if we kvetch about this, it only adds to the length of the daily digest or summary.  Let's just let the process work out and we may never have this problem after the first weeks.
--
Sheldon Dan
sheldan1955@...


Re: Comments about format change

Sheldon Dan
 

It is possible that sometime in the future the two logins could be combined and we might use the e-mail and one password.  Maybe the researcher number can then be retired as a login ID and used as it probably was intended.

Hang in there.  I know it sounds frustrating to many "old-timers" (I am 64, but I have adjusted to the need for the computer), but hopefully things will be less painful to those users who have had so much trouble with the new format of JewishGen.  I understand the problems of a new look--we will all eventually get used to it.
--
Sheldon Dan
sheldan1955@...


PETASKIN/ PETOSKI

Larry Rabyne
 

I hit a brickwall seeking info on my paternal grandmother, Eva PETOSKIN Rabinovitz. Eva was born in Vilna around 1893-96. She emigrated to the U.S. in 1914 and married Sam Rabinovitz on October 22, 1916 in Chicago, Il.  She lived in Chicago until her death in 1944. She had 9 children. She had two sisters, Molly Petosky GORDON and MARY (Meryl?) Potasey KANIUK.  The Gordons lived in Chicago and moved to Waukegan.  The Kaniuk’s lived in a near west suburb of Chicago.  Eva name on the marriage license is Pitoski or Petoski.  Various birth certificates give the maiden name of Petosky. Social security shows the name as Petaskin.  I am unable to locate any immigration records for EVA and searches of the Jewishgen database have been unsuccessful. 

Larry RABYNE

ALTER, FELDBLUM, KUPERBERG, RABINOVITZ, PETOSKIN, LINDENBAUM 


Re: Given names database search failing with an error

Jean Warwick
 

Yes - this happened to me too!


Re: SIG emails

Davida Handler
 

I am unable to figure out how to get my SIG Digests back.  I also can't seem to log into the JewishGen home page.  Is there any help line that those of us who are not only confused but frustrated by this whole change?  I NEED HELP!!


On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 9:00 AM sharon yampell <GenealogicalGenie@...> wrote:

As my inbox fills up with email regarding the new format for the general JewishGen SIG, I can say in my case, I am still getting mail from the Czernovitz SIG…

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: Siddy Rosenberg <49tikkunolam@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:55:08 AM
To: sharon yampell <GenealogicalGenie@...>
Cc: main@... <main@...>; davidahandlernv@... <davidahandlernv@...>
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] SIG emails
 
I used to receive an email daily from several SIGs. Now I'm not receiving any. I sincerely doubt there's been no activity in the several SIGs I belong to.

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 11:49 AM sharon yampell <GenealogicalGenie@...> wrote:

If no one wrote to the other SIG’s then you didn’t miss anything…we are in a holiday season so maybe some people are not up for keeping in touch until after Simchat Torah is over…

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: main@... <main@...> on behalf of Sovtah <49tikkunolam@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:15:50 AM
To: davidahandlernv@... <davidahandlernv@...>; main@... <main@...>
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] SIG emails
 

I am not receiving SIG emails either. How do I see what I've missed?


Solution to private replies when getting digest

Marjorie Geiser
 

Hi all,

I figured out the answer to my question on this topic. As some of you have noticed, when you received digests, not all posts have a link to their email, so you can privately respond to them.

However, I just 'tested' this, and it works. Now, if you're using your PHONE, I'm not sure this will work, but on my computer it does.

At the bottom of each individual post (in the digest), you have various options, such as 'View/Reply Online | Reply to Group... ' etc. If the person is sending the message from their email program, such as what I'm doing right now, I suspect you would be able to click my email and email me directly. But if the person is NOT, then here is what I've found works.

Click that option at the bottom of the particular message, that says, "View/Reply Online." You'll likely see the various replies to that particular thread. But below each message, you'll see where it says "Reply." When you click that button, you'll be able to type in a reply. HOWEVER, at the bottom of the reply box, you'll see a little box that says "Private." Once you click that box, the little green box at the bottom of the reply box that BEFORE said "Reply to Group and Sender" will change to a blue box and say "Reply to Sender."

Margie Geiser
Arizona USA


Jewish Genealogical Society Meetings

Rose Blitzstein Elbaum
 

Is there a policy, and if so, what is it, regarding the holding of Society meetings on Jewish holidays? I have noticed numerous times that meetings or activities are held either on Shabbat or lesser celebrated Jewish holidays such as the upcoming Shemini Atseret. This is disconcerting to those of us who are excluded from participating. 

Rose Elbaum 
Potomac, MD


Jewish Hungarian baron? #hungary

joseph just
 

My family has a tradition that one of our ancestors was given the title of baron. Does anyone how and where these titles were recorded?

Sarah Just


Re: JewishGen Discussion Group Update

Harriet Ottenheimer
 

The Authors Guild has an excellent discussion group format. You should consider using the same service that they are using. The one you have chosen is impossible to read/use.
Harriet Ottenheimer

On 10/16/2019 1:35 AM, Avraham Groll wrote:

Dear JewishGen Community,


Thank you for everyone's feedback (both positive and constructive). We want the JewishGen Discussion Group to be a place of open dialogue and for everyone's voices to be heard, and I am extremely grateful to everyone who has taken the time to share their thoughts, perspectives, and suggestions. I would like to address a few points tonight:


(1) The Process

Our sole motivation has been to address some of the challenges that we previously articulated (lack of security, plain-text requirements, no accented characters, not mobile-friendly, etc). This new platform was in response to frequent complaints that our previous system was antiquated and nearly unusable for many people. 


The stats bear this out. Last year, more than 40,000 people joined JewishGen as Members. Yet nearly none of them joined the Discussion Groups. This is not a typo - nearly none. We believe this was due to the very unfriendly interface of the old system, along with many of the rules/guidelines which were woefully outdated. As such, one of our goals of 2019 was to identify a replacement and to implement it. 


We tested a number of systems and eventually settled on the current platform. Our beta testing took place throughout the summer and early Fall and was performed by a group of ~150 people. The beta-testing was opened to anyone who wished to participate since the end of July. 


(2) Daily Digests/Including Previous Messages

Many have expressed displeasure with the fact that they have received multiple digests per day. Let me explain: the system is set up whereby each time 12 messages are submitted, a digest is automatically distributed. We are unable to change this. 


A possible solution to this will be to select the “Daily Summary” option. This feature will produce a once-daily list of the messages posted that day, but would not (unlike a Digest) contain the full message content. It would include just the subject lines, each being a link to the complete topic/list of messages. In this way, you will receive only one email per day. 


An additional advantage: when you click on the subject(s) that are of interest, you will be able to view all messages associated with that particular topic (including all messages/replies) - thus resolving the confusion about looking at posts with no previous messages included.


(3) Reply to Sender

We have enabled a feature whereby Members (who receive either individual emails, and/or full-featured digests) can reply directly to the message sender (and not respond to the entire group). That said, we encourage group discussions, as others might value the information. 


(4) Login and Member Guide

Many have asked about the login process to the new groups. This is to confirm that access to the JewishGen.org Discussion Group requires a new registration ((i.e. your JewishGen ID# will NOT work on groups.JewishGen.org). Anyone who was previously subscribed to the JewishGen.org discussion group, has been automatically assigned a password. Please enter your email at the following link, and a password link will be sent to you: https://groups.jewishgen.org/sendloginlink.

For additional information about this, please read through our Member Guide:

https://groups.jewishgen.org/g/main/wiki/The-New-JewishGen.org-Discussion-Group-Member-Guide.


(5) Next Steps

We are going to continue researching how to make this platform as great as possible. To this end, either myself or Nancy Siegel (our Communications Coordinator ) will continue to post updates on this group and via email. In addition, we will be scheduling a series of webinars after the Holiday of Sukkot is completed. During these webinars, we will demo the entire platform, and allow participants to ask questions. These sessions will be recorded and made available for viewing on our YouTube channel as well. 


In the meantime, in order to allow the groups to focus on Jewish Genealogy, we kindly ask that you keep posting on this group for Jewish Genealogy or current happenings that affect Jewish genealogy or genealogical research. If you have any suggestions/ideas, etc., we kindly ask that you not use this forum, but please send it to support@.... This should also cut down significantly the number of messages that the discussion group will receive.


I thank you all for your participation, support of our important work, and for being part of the JewishGen family.

Avraham






Re: JewishGen Discussion Group Update

Jeff at SG
 

IMHO the old system was a real pain. I, and many others, stopped using it because of its idiosyncrasies and the overly aggressive moderators.
 
For many of us, genealogy is a hobby and thus entertainment. 
 
Jeff Malka 


Oct. 29: #DNA genealogy program at the Center for Jewish History in New York #dna

Moriah Amit
 

Please join us for the following program, presented by the Ackman & Ziff Family Genealogy Institute.

Family History Today: DNA and the Golden Rule – The Law and Ethics of Genetic Genealogy

The Legal Genealogist, Judy G. Russell, offers her expert advice on how to navigate the ethical challenges associated with DNA testing for genealogy. 


Date and Time: October 29, 6:30 PM
Location: Center for Jewish History, 15 West 16th Street, New York, NY 10011
Tickets:$10 General admission; $5 Center for Jewish History/Partner members, seniors, and students

An ASL interpreter may be made available if requested in advance.

Moriah Amit
Senior Genealogy Reference Librarian
Center for Jewish History (New York, NY)

 


Re: The Herschman/Gerschman family Vitebsk- Velikyi Luki #rabbinic

Esther
 

Does anyone know of a person who can help  a friend  of mine do research in Vitebsk?

Moderator Note: please respond privately

 

ESTHER

 


Convention syllabus

Gayle Schlissel Riley
 

I have missed the last couple of conventions. We use to get a paper syllabus, How are we getting them now? I want to buy a ipad, so how will I download the syllabus into the ipad? I know this sounds silly but I just use my desktop. I have no cell phone. Please help me. I need tech support.
Thanks
Gayle Schlissel Riley,
San Gabriel


Re: Ancestry Introduces AncestryHealth(R)

J G
 

In the end, and I follow the issue of privacy quite closely, put it on line especially ancestry or any commercial for profit organization, there will be no privacy.  And that includes myheritage.


privacy in these matters no longer exists in general terms.

until nations and governments and voters pass strict laws to protect it, you are dreaming to think otherwise.

if you don't want it shared, don't share it.

inconvenient truth.

it will be shared under the current regime regarding privacy.

simple.

good luck.


Re: Translation from Polish needed #poland

Linda Kelley
 

Thank you for your replies that this is not Polish, but cursive Cyrillic.
I have revised my post.
Linda


Translation from handwritten Cyrillic #belarus #holocaust

Linda Kelley
 

This is a list of 48 martyrs from Belitzah/Belitsa, now Belarus. It is in handwritten Cyrillic.
If translated to English, I will post back to Yad Vashem and send it to JewishGen for the Holocaust database.
The Yizkor Book also has two lists in English:  https://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Belitsa/bel018.html
Thank you!
Linda Wolfe Kelley
Portland, OR, USA


Re: New format

Joan
 

After a few days of being very confused, I’ve got it.  Re-subscribed with a new password, clicked on daily summary, and have only received one digest this morning.  Just like the old format.  Just fiddle around and people wii get it.

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